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Subject: Guru - Can U Be the New TSN Hoops Salary Cap Guy?
Posted by: G
- [441412322] Fri, Mar 12, 2010, 23:03
So Guru, you already run a salary cap golf game for free. Is now the time for you to offer fantasy Hoops salary cap? You would get all the TSN folks, their $ and you would do it better than TSN ever did it. What do you say? |
| 1 | G
ID: 441412322
Fri, Mar 12, 2010, 23:05
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Ooops, I forgot that you could test run a playoff hoops, it could be marketed on the TSN forum and your tools for price change, projections, schedule etc have always been better anyway.
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| 2 | reebbertxx
Dude
ID: 561124720
Fri, Mar 12, 2010, 23:29
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I would say that Guru taking over would be the ideal situation. However I'm sure there are numerous legal reasons why he can't do it above and beyond the massive amounts of personal time it would take. That would be asking a lot in my opinion.
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| 3 | Maineacs
ID: 18901915
Sat, Mar 13, 2010, 07:15
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That's true but how many people are called Guru?
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| 4 | VP.
ID: 7335210
Sun, Mar 14, 2010, 14:34
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I was wondering this weekend if RotoGuru would be able to recreate the TSN Salary Cap game as well. It would definitely be an insane amount of work, but with the fact that this site already has the community and the tools set up would give it a huge head start.
It seems like most people here that plan to continue playing salary cap games are gravitating toward RotoHog, which apparently already provides TSN Salary Cap clone games. I may end up doing the same thing, but if RotoGuru were to attempt to set up something similar I would definitely be interested and would help out as much as I could (I am a web developer).
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| 5 | Headless T Gunners
ID: 38050167
Sun, Mar 14, 2010, 15:10
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I hope you all leave rotohog alone next year
finally don't have to worry about who's league not to be in ;)
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| 6 | money4later
ID: 2111213116
Sun, Mar 14, 2010, 15:13
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HTG - LMAO
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| 7 | Farn
Leader
ID: 451044109
Sun, Mar 14, 2010, 15:16
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I won't speak for Guru but if I had to bet I'm guessing there is a lot of legal work involved in running a game like that. I'd guess you have to acquire licenses and such to use the NBA names and profit off it. I could be all wet but that's my guess.
Plus its a ton of work.
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| 8 | VP.
ID: 142211215
Mon, Mar 15, 2010, 10:36
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I'm assuming you are indeed correct about the licensing issues, which would be one of the major hurdles in my opinion.
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| 9 | deraynman
ID: 19291514
Mon, Mar 15, 2010, 15:09
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Actually a fantasy company took MLB to court and the court ruled that statistics and player names are "part of the public domain and can be used at no cost by fantasy companies. "
"MLBAM vs. CDM Legal Case
MLBAM signed a five-year, $50 million interactive rights deal with the MLB Players Association in 2005 to acquire most of the players' online rights, including fantasy sports. The deal exacerbated tension between fantasy sports companies and professional leagues and players associations over the rights to player profiles and statistics. The players associations of the major sports leagues believed that fantasy games using player names were subject to licensing due to the right of publicity of the players involved. During the 1980s and 1990s many companies signed licensing deals with the player associations, but many companies did not. The issue came to a head when MLBAM denied a fantasy baseball licensing agreement to St. Louis-based CBC Distribution and Marketing Inc., the parent company of CDM Sports. CBC filed suit as a result.
CBC argued that intellectual property laws and so-called "right of publicity" laws don't apply to the statistics used in fantasy sports.[7] The FSTA filed a friend of the court brief in support of CBC which argued that MLBAM's step to deny CBC a license was the first step to limit the number of companies in the market, that could result in MLBAM having a monopoly.
CBC won the lawsuit as U.S. District Court Judge Mary Ann Medler ruled that statistics are part of the public domain and can be used at no cost by fantasy companies. "The names and playing records of major-league baseball players as used in CBC's fantasy games are not copyrightable," Medler wrote. "Therefore, federal copyright law does not pre-empt the players' claimed right of publicity."[7]
The 8th Circuit Court of Appeals upheld the decision in October 2007.[8] "It would be a strange law that a person would not have a First Amendment right to use information that is available to everyone," a three-judge panel said in its ruling.[9]
On June 2, 2008, the United States Supreme Court denied MLB's petition for a writ of certiorari.[10]"
From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_League_Baseball_Advanced_Media
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| 10 | Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Mon, Mar 15, 2010, 15:25
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Right. But having the data in a continuous and usable format does involve a license.
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| 11 | youngroman
Donor
ID: 02934823
Mon, Mar 15, 2010, 15:46
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you can always get the stats from the official boxscores from mlb.com or any other site. this would not be a huge challenge. this can only get tricky when they decide to change their format from one day to another.
If only I would have the time to setup up a basic game engine. maybe later this year, but not now.
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| 12 | RecycledSpinalFluid
Dude
ID: 204401122
Mon, Mar 15, 2010, 18:00
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I look at it as the additional cost in bandwidth...and having to deal with the annoying/whining bastards on this board. (:
I think those are major deterrents.
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| 13 | Mike D
Leader
ID: 041831612
Mon, Mar 15, 2010, 18:42
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I love how Guru is in stealth mode while his minnions brainstorm this thing. Now that's a sign of great management. ;)
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| 14 | reebbertxx
Dude
ID: 561124720
Mon, Mar 15, 2010, 22:49
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Probably a stupid idea but I will throw it out there. I set up a playoff TSN style league at Fantrax. It scores the exact same as TSN, you can allocate weekly trades automatically, and pretty much do whatever you want as far as set up goes. Playoff are a much simpler concept seeing as how there are no price changes involved. If Guru were considering running a game, I don't blame him if he isn't considering the work involved, the infrastructure is in place over there as far as I can tell. Running it at Fantrax would eliminate the bandwith and licensing issues. I think they are beta testing running multiple leagues with the same scoring set up. The big hitch is the price movers and the supposed formula for running them. Guru has shown that he can pull data from external sites and do his magic with it,GMD,assimilator,etc. If he could pull this data and figure out a proper formula even if not the same as TSN things could get interesting.
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| 15 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Tue, Mar 16, 2010, 11:48
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Yes, I was in stealth mode - partly intentionally, partly because I have a full plate without thinking about all of this.
Frankly, running a full fledged fantasy game is not what I aspire to do. Remember that RotoGuru is a one-man shop, and running a game such as this can be a time-killer. Setting up and managing the game site also doesn't play to my strengths. Football Pickoff and GuruGolf work because there is a limited customer base. If they ever attracted thousands of entrants, I might be in trouble.
The Fantrax concept is intriguing, although I don't know enough about how that might work. I could certainly develop a repricing mechanism, although it would need to be based on stats, rather than trades. A trade based formula has some serious drawbacks, especially if the number of teams is limited.
If a daily repricing formula were developed (and/or an updated list of prices were developed each day), could those be easily imported into a Fantrax league? How would that work?
In any event, my plate is too full to be working on this now. Maybe something can be conceived and developed during baseball season and started as a midseason beta. No commitments, though. Just thinking out loud, which is dangerous.
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| 16 | weykool
ID: 351422416
Tue, Mar 16, 2010, 11:58
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Easy solution.
#15 hires #11 to run the leagues.
Next?
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| 17 | Mike D
Leader
ID: 041831612
Tue, Mar 16, 2010, 17:39
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Then using his newfound salary, #11 buys the time to build the game.
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| 18 | youngroman
Donor
ID: 02934823
Tue, Mar 16, 2010, 18:03
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if Guru pays me the same amount I got for my last coding work for him, I won't get rich any time soon. but that is not the key here.
what I would search for in such a project is to learn more about "the cloud". in this case most likely Google Appengine + Bigtable with the Java language. this experience would be good for the future if a different webapp idea comes to my mind.
my problem is that usually I have ideas, but they never evolve to the point where I really start to do something. often because I don't find the time that is needed to do this whole thing. when I know in advance that I won't have the time in the near future, I rarely start.
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| 19 | wolfer
ID: 11401720
Tue, Mar 16, 2010, 22:03
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re 15.
They have their own algorithm for price changes based on the league settings, make up, and statistics.
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| 20 | VP.
ID: 142211215
Wed, Mar 17, 2010, 10:48
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The Fantrax idea is interesting. I was picturing a league/game similar in scope to the GMD rather than the something the size of TSN's game. Ideally it would be something that could expand as needed, but I think something the size of the GMD would be fun and competitive.
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| 21 | matic
ID: 582201712
Wed, Mar 17, 2010, 13:20
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vp's idea is a good one, since we all know each other well through postings it can be a tight knit yet friendly competition
we could just set up a fee (agreed upon by the managers) and that could be the "prizes".
If not, anyone know any other well established salary cap hoops games?
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