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Subject: Instant replay in the NBA
Posted by: weykool
- [351422416] Thu, Jun 10, 2010, 11:43
Im not sure I like the way they are using instant replay in the NBA.
Discliamer: Long time/diehard Laker fan here.
So the play in question late in game 3 has Lamar Odom coming down with a rebound and Rondo swiping at the ball and the ball goes out of bounds.
The call on the court is Laker ball.
There are only two options for the Refs to make a call here:
1. Rondo hit the ball and knocked it out of bounds.
2. Rondo missed the ball and fouled Odom.
Either way.....Laker ball. Either with a foul or without a foul.
The replay clarly showed Rondo never touched the ball but hacked Odom on the forearm.
The problem with replay as it stands now is you cant call the missed foul but only who last touched the ball.
So not only do the Celtics get away with a clear foul but they get rewarded with the ball as well?
Something isnt right.
If they are going to use instant replay they need to allow the refs to rule that the ball went out of bounds as a result of a "missed foul call" and reward it to the correct team. |
| 1 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Thu, Jun 10, 2010, 12:07
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I remember that play.
It does seem that if a play is reviewable, then the refs should have the authority to make the correct call. But that may open a Pandora's box.
Alternatively, the rule could be that if the correct call cannot be made due to limitations on what is reversible, then the play should stand as called on the court.
In other words, either get it right, or don't change it at all.
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| 2 | twolves
ID: 161542014
Thu, Jun 10, 2010, 12:53
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There are lots of fouls that are not called and others that should be called. The refs cannot possibly call all the fouls committed in the NBA or even all the violations such as traveling.
I think the instant replay to determine who last touched it is reasonable as it should not matter what happened before that.
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| 3 | weykool
ID: 351422416
Thu, Jun 10, 2010, 14:58
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tw:
Im not advocating that they should be using the instant replay to call missed fouls.
Only that they should be able to take the foul into consideration when looking at who touched the ball last.
The ball went out of bounds because of the foul.
It has to be conclusive evidence to overturn the call.....that evidence should include that it wasnt the result of a foul.
There was another play that involved Odom and Rondo going after a loose ball in front of the Celtic bench.
In real time I would have sworn that that Rondo touched it last, but the replay showed it was Odom and the call was reversed...as it should have been.
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| 4 | WiddleAvi
ID: 352232517
Thu, Jun 10, 2010, 15:35
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I imagine in the NFL the result would have been the same. If there was a challenge to see if a receiver caught the ball inbounds and during the replay you can clearly see pass interferance it would have no effect. They would ignore the penalty issue and just review to see the player was inbounds.
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| 5 | twolves
ID: 161542014
Thu, Jun 10, 2010, 17:20
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Weykool,
Actually the refs probably may take into account the missed foul but probably at a later time and date but must rule on the actual touch(play)at the time.
It will be interesting to see if Rondo gets a "touch" foul(makeup call) or turnover sometime in a future game.
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| 6 | Da Bomb
Donor
ID: 487112814
Thu, Jun 10, 2010, 20:28
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I remember that play as well and the rule is ridiculous and I have a feeling it will be changed in the offseason so the refs have the ability to make the correct call if they are going to go to a review. However, I believe on that same possession the Celtics were awarded the ball, Garnett was called for a moving screen which might have been a make-up call.
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| 7 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Sat, Jun 12, 2010, 15:42
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In order for an official to be able to review a play, there has to be something that triggers the review. There is a very specific things the official can review for that trigger. Out of Bounds triggers where the official has doubt about his/her call can only be made in the last 2:00 of game. This was just added this season right before the first preseason game. There was a play last season where the officials were trying to determine the game clock when they saw a plaeyr step out of bounds but couldn't do anything about it. So this year gave officials limited scope for boundary plays (last 2 mins only).
When officials go to the monitor, they tell the scorer what they are going to review and what the call is on the floor (except for clock malfunctions). They have 2 mins to review most plays. To be changed, officials must have clear and conclusive visual evidence or the original call stands.
Guru hit the nail on the head about "Pandora's Box." They can't create/call a common foul on review of a boundary play.
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| 8 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Sat, Jun 12, 2010, 15:53
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The idea about make-up calls have been around for a long time.
As far as the NBA and many college games--particularly the NCAA Tournament, every play is graded. Correct call, incorrect call, non-call correct and non-call incorrect. Make-up calls would lower your rating even lower and could hurt your advancement in the playoffs (which is a huge financial hit) or could even cost them their jobs. Albeit, you also have to understand the flow of the game. If one team is being called for illegal screens, the officials are going to also pay a lot more attention to those smae things on the other end as well.
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| 9 | CJ
ID: 41513021
Thu, Aug 05, 2010, 09:06
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#6 I hope you are wrong cause now you will have ref's thinking they saw a fouled rather than getting back to focus on who it went out of bounds. You are giving more power and more time to the refs of a fast action paced game. I just think that starts opening up tons of opinions by refs looking at video. Plus you have to realize you can only do so much before you take from the game. Get refs that make most calls right and move on...just as some players can not seem to do during play after a bad call on them....LOL Move on and play hard boys!
Like #5
Another twist here is even when a Ref looks at the video he then sees he made a bad cal....does he as a HUMAN feel a little emotional or like he might need a make up call on a missed call. Rather if he did not look at the replay the ref continues on like the right call was made.
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