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Subject: Hey, Blue Hen, WTF?
Posted by: Seattle Zen
- Leader [055343019] Tue, Feb 21, 2012, 23:43
ESPN fires employee for headline on Jeremy Lin
I'm going to assume you knew this guy. My question to you is, WTF? Wow, just wow. |
| 1 | Perm Dude
ID: 3210201915
Wed, Feb 22, 2012, 00:49
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What was the headline? And why does the new report dance around it--isn't it kind of important to the piece?
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| 2 | RecycledSpinalFluid
Dude
ID: 204401122
Wed, Feb 22, 2012, 00:54
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"Chink in the armor", after the first Knicks loss.
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| 3 | Khahan
ID: 54138190
Wed, Feb 22, 2012, 08:01
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Yeah,I think the whole thing is kind of over-reactionary and ridiculous. The headline was fine and not racist.
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| 4 | Seattle Zen
Leader
ID: 055343019
Wed, Feb 22, 2012, 10:25
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You have to improve your sarcasm, Khahan.
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| 5 | Razor
ID: 551031157
Wed, Feb 22, 2012, 10:26
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Khahan, a writer and editor's job is to scrutinize content to make sure that avoids controversial situations like this. I thought I heard that the writer intended it to be a (not so) clever pun, but even if the writer and editor did not intend that way and it was purely coincidental, they surely should have picked it up and changed it before putting it out there. They deserved to be disciplined for incompetence.
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| 6 | Perm Dude
ID: 3210201915
Wed, Feb 22, 2012, 21:51
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And then there's:
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| 7 | Khahan
ID: 54138190
Thu, Feb 23, 2012, 00:04
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I forgot. This is the realm where PC rules with a very heavy hand in many people's minds. Sometimes a headline is just a headline.
Now, if the writer of the headline did use chink specifically as a pun on Lin's heritage, then yes, its racist and unbelievably stupid. But thats the first I heard of that.
Its a weakness in their armor or the indestructible persona from their win-streak. Something that is definitely very un-Jeremy Lin like.
Yes, its ridiculous and over-reactionary.
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| 8 | Razor
ID: 551031157
Thu, Feb 23, 2012, 00:15
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What do you think an editor's job should be, Khahan? Having a picture of a Asian-American next to the word "chink", regardless of context, probably would warrant a change in phrasing. That's no political correctness - that's common sense. The writer and especially the editor failed miserably in their jobs and caused a controversy that damaged their company. Where's the overreaction?
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| 9 | Perm Dude
ID: 3210201915
Thu, Feb 23, 2012, 00:24
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I agree. Political correctness is changing something clear into something ambiguous as a result of perceived special interest pressure.
This is something clearly rude that should have been changed into something not rude.
I suspect that the headline writer was trying to be cute and used a slur as so often happens with lazy writers.
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| 10 | Perm Dude
ID: 3210201915
Thu, Feb 23, 2012, 16:10
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On uneven punishments.
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| 11 | Tree
ID: 01212315
Thu, Feb 23, 2012, 16:24
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Now, if the writer of the headline did use chink specifically as a pun on Lin's heritage, then yes, its racist and unbelievably stupid. But thats the first I heard of that.
Its a weakness in their armor or the indestructible persona from their win-streak. Something that is definitely very un-Jeremy Lin like.
i'm a bit confused. are you saying you've never heard the word "chink" used as a slur against Asians? if so, i'm shocked, because it's one of the more offensive ones out there.
there is little doubt in my mind the headline writer was trying to be cute - but cute or not, you can't use an ethnic slur.
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| 12 | Perm Dude
ID: 3210201915
Thu, Feb 23, 2012, 16:43
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Full full apology, fyi.
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| 13 | Perm Dude
ID: 3210201915
Thu, Feb 23, 2012, 16:44
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er "his full apology"
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| 14 | Tree
ID: 61182317
Thu, Feb 23, 2012, 18:18
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i read his full apology, and he seems sincere, and that it was an honest mistake - perhaps one compounded by lack of sleep or some other extenuating circumstance.
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| 15 | beebop
ID: 34030216
Fri, Feb 24, 2012, 03:52
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I havent read much of this yet, but was Lin actually offended by the headline?
If not, I do not see the problem. The only person/people who should be offended by stuff like this, is the direct person it is talking about.
I can only control what comes out of my mouth, not how you interpret that.
Sometimes people just need to relax.
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| 16 | Tree
ID: 17039238
Fri, Feb 24, 2012, 08:09
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If not, I do not see the problem. The only person/people who should be offended by stuff like this, is the direct person it is talking about
an ethic slur tends to offend a whole ethnicity.
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| 17 | Perm Dude
ID: 3210201915
Fri, Feb 24, 2012, 11:28
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I disagree, beebop. If you're in a group which calls African-Americans "niggers" or Asians "chinks" then should you just remain quite if you are neither African American or Asian?
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| 18 | beebop
ID: 34030216
Fri, Feb 24, 2012, 15:13
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I guess I am not so sensitive to the word "Chink". I have not heard anyone use it in reference to asians since about 1998. So to me, it's almost like using rake instead of slut or whore.
I also don't feel so sensitive to the word because it clearly has other meanings, which also make sense in the way it was used. Now if people stopped using normal everyday words and turning them into insults, there wouldn't be this dumbass issue of it meaning different things.
Ignoring the apology and all that other stuff. At the time I see these things, I just have to assume it means the positive. Was there anything else racial in the article? How many complaints were actually made? I doubt it offended that dude with the sign about driving.
I honestly have never heard there being another definition of "nigger". So I also understand there are certain things you do refrain from using.
Maybe it different in the states, is chink still used that commonly? To be honest, it did take me a while to get what the issue with the headline was. If it is still commonly used there, then I also may have felt a bit more.. "oh, better stay away from this headline."
And in no way did I say I go out calling people names. I am trying to make the point, that in most cases, if something offends you, but it also has a different meaning, most of the time, the intention is that other meaning. You are clearly taking it to somewhere else I was not headed.
I think it is also how you handle stuff too. I went years being called cracker and white boy. Yea, it was all in fun. Who cares, move on.
ALso, the more people report on it, the bigger the audience gets, and the more people who then are potentially offended.
But also back to my original point. If the article is only talking about one person specifically and not a whole race/country/nation/whatever else ive missed, it should be down to that individual if they find it offensive or not.
Do you also think that people should stop referring to cigarettes as fags? Because thats just dumb if you do.
Take a page from South Park, just change the definition of the word, or in the way in which it is used, so it then doesn't offend. Isn't that how things like this start up in the first place?
THis is a very touchy subject. Before I decide if I believe something should be offensive, I first try and see the intent behind whatever was used. If it was intended to offend, then yes, not cool. If it was not meant to offend and it had another meaning, then I move on and get over it.
Now if this headline showed up on late night tv, then there would be no issue at all.
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| 19 | Tree
ID: 391342415
Fri, Feb 24, 2012, 16:36
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I honestly have never heard there being another definition of "nigger". So I also understand there are certain things you do refrain from using.
not sure where you live, but in the last few months, i've heard some refer to "nigger rigging something" and "jewing someone down."
both offensive. both having more than one meaning,
If the article is only talking about one person specifically and not a whole race/country/nation/whatever else ive missed, it should be down to that individual if they find it offensive or not.
so if i call Jesse Jackson a "nigger", only Jesse Jackson should be offended? come on now, seriously?
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| 20 | beebop
ID: 34030216
Fri, Feb 24, 2012, 19:34
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I personally believe that if someone made an offensive remark against someone of my race, it does not effect me. It is not directed at me, it has nothing to do with me. Therefore what I should feel is maybe sympathy or empathy for that person who the remark was made against, but for me personally, I was not involved. You are potentially insulting an individual.. meaning 1 person. Then why is everyone offended? That's what I believe, but I know it's not how everyone reacts. Lighten up people, theres better things to waste your time with then words that at the end of the day, should not hurt you. Stick and stones... what happened? Have we all gone soft?
It would also depend on how you used it. Are you friends? Is he fine with you calling him that?
I still struggle to figure out why black people can use it in a non-derogative manner, but no one else is allowed to? If it is a non-derogatory manner and the audience has that understanding that is how its being used.. its up to them.
I also still think its how its used. With this guys headline, was the purpose to make a joke? Was it to insult someone? Im guessing it was to try and make a joke and a pun. Standard comedy. Did he pull it off? No. I don't think many people laughed, if at all. Was it stupid? Probably.
Has there been an over reaction? Yes.
I guess I am getting sick of everything these days. Political correctness going overboard, mental illnesses being abused, big corporations scared of another GFC and scared of higher unemployment rates, so their solution is to cut jobs?
And before you go on about mental illnesses, i have this to say. In my line of work, there are so many people who get diagnosed with mental illnesses without the proper tools, don't get proper treatment... but it all started by a joke. It started because no one told them to toughen up. It's wasting doctors time when they could actually be treating people that need help and need proper care and not those who just need a friend to help them deal with what is essentially life.
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| 21 | beebop
ID: 34030216
Sat, Feb 25, 2012, 01:06
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Really I just feel people need to stop taking things personal when its not about them directly.
Im not in any way trying to say he said the right thing, but the only way words or phrases are going to be offensive is if everyone lets them continue to be offensive. Sometimes we just need to toughen up, say what a douche and move on.
Somewhere along the line, Rake no longer became offensive and im guessing theres plenty of other phrases that have gone too. Lets do the same with all these other phrases. Other people already are trying to change it.
nigger rigging something... i have no clue what that means? Never heard of that in my life. What does it mean?
ame as jewing someone down... completely lost.
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| 22 | Tree
ID: 59113259
Sat, Feb 25, 2012, 10:16
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nigger rigging something... i have no clue what that means? Never heard of that in my life. What does it mean?
ame as jewing someone down... completely lost.
this, to me, sums up why you feel the way you do.
maybe i'm wrong, but i don't think you've experienced discrimination first hand - to me, these are relatively common (and offensive) things that are said - and within two months have moving back to Texas after being gone for more than 20 years - i heard both phrases, reminding me i was no longer in NYC.
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| 23 | Addicted
ID: 321192510
Sat, Feb 25, 2012, 11:19
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Ben and Jerrys join the linsanity
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| 24 | beebop
ID: 34030216
Sat, Feb 25, 2012, 15:22
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I really can't remember a time where I have experienced anything that serious on this topic. The only thing that comes to mind is even in my own country, at high school, I was still in a minority. But thats school, and your race just didnt matter then.
How about we just get back to whats more important, such as how good is this guy gonna get? To me it seems like a mistake signing Baron Davis when they had this guy all along. If he can cut down his turnovers and keep the other numbers, no reason he wont be an all star every year.
Good luck to him. Nothing worse than seeing players come out real strong for a short period and then completely fall off.
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