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0 Subject: Gurupie 20 - 2017 / 2018 Preseason Discussion

Posted by: Species
- SuperDude [07724916] Tue, Sep 19, 2017, 13:11

Happy Autumn all! It is time to start to get our shizz together in Hoops! Congrats to RSF for beating the odds and prognosticators early in the season last year and finishing off a great G20 win last year.

Last year's standings:

1. Freak Like Me 142
2. Wazaaap Guy 141
3. ttu cowboy 136
4. SAN FORDORS 126
5. Endangered Species 124
5. Jay dog 124
5. twolves 20 124
8. Roto Guru 114
9. Kevin Love Fan Club 111
9. Skinnee J's 111
11. youngroman's Luschen 102.5
12. Hard To Be A KnicksFan 90
13. coldwater coyotes 80
14. Mighty Meatwads 75
15. Bean's Buckeyes 72
16. Team Perm Dudes 58.5
17. beastie miked 50
18. Vampire Weekend 41
19. GO Second City Saints 38
20. Naptown 'Nados 30

First order of business: PLEASE confirm whether you will be returning or not! You never know if there will be a team that drops out, so if you have friends who are interested, please have them chime in.

I'll get to proposed dates and stuff when I can.

Welcome back!!
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51youngroman
      ID: 19238238
      Fri, Oct 06, 2017, 07:16
trade with GO (Prince) includes his 3.01 for my 6.10

anyone interested in Norman Powell? looks like he will score a ton this season, no matter if he starts or comes off the bench.
52 WG
      ID: 35338278
      Fri, Oct 06, 2017, 09:39
Keeping 6 forwards right now. Would love to swap one for a guard if anyone is interested?
53jaydog
      ID: 57213279
      Fri, Oct 06, 2017, 11:11
With 50 minutes left in the deadline I'd still love to swap a guard for a forward, especially one with decent rebounding stats. I have a few offers out there, but with so little time left, thought I'd see if anyone else had any interest.

Gary Harris looks to have the potential of a pretty elite scorer, with a much better FG% than most "chuckers" (.502% last season w/ 2 3's per game).

Patrick Beverley is also now the starting PG for the Clippers. Should be a nice source of steals, assists, and boards, while chipping in some decent scoring numbers.

Also open to packaging either of the two above with Nerlens Noel if anyone is looking for a 2-1 deal with some really high upside players.

54Species
      SuperDude
      ID: 07724916
      Fri, Oct 06, 2017, 12:28
I will have some cleanup to do. I didn't get to the trades before the deadline so I will make those adjustments.

Sadly, skinneej did not notice my email nor the posts in our threads. I am giving him until Midnight ET tonight to provide the name of a replacement keeper.
55skinneej
      ID: 14911313
      Fri, Oct 06, 2017, 21:58
I emailed you earlier as well, but Wesley Matthews is my 6th keeper now
56Bmd
      ID: 825715
      Sun, Oct 08, 2017, 21:44
New rule, if you don't mark your keepers you lose them... Species going to put the hurt down on those that didn't.
57Speciesd
      ID: 46252312
      Sun, Oct 08, 2017, 23:59
Guys.....I will not have the draft open on time. Busy weekend. Will have time tomorrow but after 12:00 ET.
58Tosh
      Dude
      ID: 057721710
      Mon, Oct 09, 2017, 00:06
On ESPN ... I just processed a couple of late trades, and added the keepers to THREE teams that did not click them as instructed. Please check your rosters for accuracy.

Near as I can tell, the ESPN site is correct, and ready to begin the draft.
59coldwater coyotes
      ID: 499401819
      Mon, Oct 09, 2017, 10:45
I noticed that Kobe Bryant is available to be picked up and is owned by 11.1% !!!
60Bean
      ID: 304422310
      Mon, Oct 09, 2017, 11:26
Must be making a come back, wants to retire a third number.
61Species
      ID: 2191810
      Mon, Oct 09, 2017, 12:21
Draft will be up within the hour.......
62Species
      ID: 2191810
      Mon, Oct 09, 2017, 12:56
OK. Draft is open.

Please carefully review the draft order. I did it custom so I wouldn't have to enter all of the offseason trades. I did just enter the yr/GO 3rd/6th swap.....
63Species
      SuperDude
      ID: 07724916
      Mon, Oct 09, 2017, 12:59
PS - special thanks to Tosh for the assist. He cleaned up ESPN and processed the trades so that the ESPN database is clean.

My tardiness has left us, for now, with no way for teams to pick up their own players. That will have to reside with me until everyone clears waivers.

Once waivers are done, it will then be each managers' responsibility to pick up their own players in ESPN! Please do so judiciously to help your leaguemates scour the available players.
64GO
      ID: 13471611
      Mon, Oct 09, 2017, 13:26
1.01 Dennis Smith picked after weeks of deliberation.

I’m looking to do one of two things my extra picks.

Package 1.16, 1.18 and 2.01 to trade up to the top 10.

I’d also trade any of them for a 1st rounder next year. I am not going to need this much depth right now.

Why not speed up your timeline and use next year’s top pick this year instead!?!
65Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Tue, Oct 10, 2017, 10:45
From the treasurer:

Prize pool dues for the coming season are $15. There is no assessment for a trophy fund again this year, as that is amply funded.

Several managers have funds on account to cover all or part of the dues for 2017:
Species, WG (via baseball winnings), and Youngroman are fully covered.

BMD owes only $7.50, as he had $7.50 on account.

Perm Dude has opted out of the pool, so owes nothing.

Everyone else owes $15, according to my records. If you think I have missed any funds on account for you, please let me know.

Payments can be sent in either of the following ways:
1. Paypal: please send to davehall@rotoguru2.com. (Recipient will probably appear as Uncommon Cents LLC.) Designate this as “send money to friends and family”, and mark the payment only as G20 hoops.
2. Snail mail: check can be sent to the address listed at the bottom of this page:
http://rotoguru2.com/gurupatron-info.html
66Species
      SuperDude
      ID: 07724916
      Tue, Oct 10, 2017, 16:06
Thank you commissioners for your assistance in picking up with draft picks on ESPN.

NOTE TO MANAGERS: When waivers clear tonight, please make your way to ESPN and pick up your drafted player from the free agent pool and place him on your team! THANK YOU!
67ttucowboy
      ID: 8550318
      Tue, Oct 10, 2017, 16:49
Trade Alert

GO Trades:
2.01
2018 6th round pick

ttucowboy Trades:
6.18
2018 1st round pick

GO to confirm..
68Species
      SuperDude
      ID: 07724916
      Tue, Oct 10, 2017, 16:50
From GO via email:

Trade:

GO receives:
2017 6.18
2018 1st

ttucowboy receives
2017 2.01
2018 6th

Updated in Draftime. Fire away.
69Species
      SuperDude
      ID: 07724916
      Tue, Oct 10, 2017, 16:50
I call that confirmation!
71RecycledSpinalFluid
      ID: 5411522221
      Tue, Oct 10, 2017, 21:39
Blank...
72Species
      ID: 46252312
      Wed, Oct 11, 2017, 00:16
I have stopped the draft due to wolfer's picks. While Caleb Swanigan can possibly be defensible, Ty Lawson is not. Lawson is out of the NBA entirely.

I have emailed wolfer for clarification. Even so, I am not sure what answer would fulfill me:

1) Oops. Didn't know. I thought he was starting.
2) I despise this league and am screwing it up on purpose because you voted for Obama in 2008.
3) Is there a 3rd option?!?!?!?!?!?!?

Give me some time in the morning to consider options. Thanks.
73Perm Dude
      ID: 49829217
      Wed, Oct 11, 2017, 11:02
Is it too late to blame Obama?

:)
74Species
      SuperDude
      ID: 07724916
      Wed, Oct 11, 2017, 13:13
After much anguish, I have decided to remove wolfer from the league and draft effective immediately. I did this after conferring with a small handful of managers before arriving at this decision.

In discussing this, considering wolfer's longtime participation in Rotoguru leagues (including the current RIHC AAA, which he is drafting responsibly), I have come to the conclusion that he is not purposefully drafting poorly, but is simply unprepared to properly manage a team in this league. If you cannot research enough to see that Ty Lawson has signed with a Chinese team and is not in the NBA, that does not meet the standards of this league. Adding to that the lack of management last year as the only team not to meet GP minimums (and by quite a bit) and this decision is made easier. I don't mean to crap all over a guy, and I am really sorry to have to even explain it, but it requires explanation. Nothing personal.

One thing I would like the league to keep in mind is that wolfer stepped up to work with PacersFan in the first place to help him co-manage his team......and as PacersFan pulled away he took over. For that, I thank you and I do wish you well.

Unfortunately I do not see a way to turn back the clock and re-do pick 1.02. We just have to pick up the pieces from here and go forward.

==============================

Here is what we are doing:

1) Fred at Draftime is going to replace him in our draft with a second account of mine I just created (how many have been around long enough to recognize the name I made?). I am also hopeful he can reverse the Ty Lawson pick. If not, I will announce a replacement pick and we will move on.

2) WG and I (perhaps with other counsel/input - anyone want to volunteer to assist??) will complete the remainder of the draft for this franchise. We will do so with the thought of setting this franchise up with some upside assets for someone to take over sometime during the year.

3) A good idea in our discussions this morning was made --- the thought of possibly offering this franchise compensatory consideration heading into 2018. Perhaps a 7th keeper....perhaps a compensatory pick like in football in the form of an extra 1st rounder at the end of the round (i.e. 1.21). Think of it like an expansion franchise.

4) blue hen has generously accepted the job of being a temporarily custodian of the franchise just so we can replace wolfer in ESPN right away. He can help with daily roster moves and is wholly authorized to make waiver moves as well.

=========================================

Hopefully this is the best way to handle an unfortunate situation in a decisive manner. Feel free to post comments here -- although flames should be directed to me personally!! In all seriousness, please feel free to reach out to me via email with any concerns.
75Species
      SuperDude
      ID: 07724916
      Wed, Oct 11, 2017, 13:19
As soon as Fred can remove wolfer from the draft we will make the switch, correct the pick and turn the draft back on. We will be drafting a rookie so teams behind this pick can get their queues ready with that assumption.
76Species
      SuperDude
      ID: 07724916
      Wed, Oct 11, 2017, 13:33
I am using a workaround to get the draft re-started. Instead of drafting Ty Lawson, this franchise is taking Frank Ntikilina, PG, NY.

I have removed him from the Draftime database......so any managers that do not see this message will not be able to draft him. I have picked him up (and released Lawson) in ESPN.

The draft is now ready to proceed.
77RecycledSpinalFluid
      ID: 18150916
      Wed, Oct 11, 2017, 14:19
You're awesome Species! I think that is the best outcome for such a short timeframe. I like the extra keeper idea and could go either way on the compensation pick (dropping 5th and 6th rounder, if a 7th keeper is involved).
78RecycledSpinalFluid
      ID: 18150916
      Wed, Oct 11, 2017, 14:20
I wonder if my 1 person queue can last the approximate 100 selections until my next pick (3.20).
79twolves
      Dude
      ID: 811161317
      Wed, Oct 11, 2017, 14:21
Thanks,

Sounds like a good plan. I am happy to get draft moving since I will be very busy out of town from early Friday morning.

80KnicksFan
      ID: 78191912
      Wed, Oct 11, 2017, 14:34
Oh man, I thought the legend KB8ers had joined the league.
81VampireWeekend
      Dude
      ID: 24100310
      Wed, Oct 11, 2017, 15:05
I appreciate the quick efforts and agree action was warranted. Not sure I see the need for anything compensatory now. The team now has two good young prospects. Maybe not the two you or I or we would pick but legitimate well thought of prospects. Now we just carry on business as usual in my opinion.
82Species
      SuperDude
      ID: 07724916
      Wed, Oct 11, 2017, 15:14
80 -- wouldn't that have been awesome?? It was more of a shout out to a Smallworld God!

Since then, it made more sense to transfer it to blue hen's own account. He can help with making the picks, etc.
83 Bmd
      ID: 825715
      Wed, Oct 11, 2017, 15:45
3.03 available for a 2nd rounder next year.
84RecycledSpinalFluid
      ID: 5352110
      Wed, Oct 11, 2017, 19:35
bmd's third is no longer available.

bmd 2017.3.02
bmd 2016.6th
For
RSF 2017.6th
RFS 2018.2nd
85RecycledSpinalFluid
      ID: 5352110
      Wed, Oct 11, 2017, 19:36
Err 2018 not 2016 :)
86Bmd
      ID: 825715
      Wed, Oct 11, 2017, 19:42
Confirm.

More reason to cheer against rsf.
87Tosh
      Dude
      ID: 057721710
      Wed, Oct 11, 2017, 19:58
[84] is processed at draftime.

Still needs to be added to ESPN league page.
88RecycledSpinalFluid
      ID: 5352110
      Wed, Oct 11, 2017, 19:59
Ha! Atleast this year you are only One year away from being two years away...
89ttucowboy
      ID: 7657213
      Wed, Oct 11, 2017, 20:01
Damn, rsf beat me to the punch!
90Meatwads
      ID: 5863742
      Wed, Oct 11, 2017, 21:22
Pick 3.07 is available

I'm looking for a similar return in value as the trade that just occurred.

I reached out to ttucowboy first since he showed the most public interest in a pick. I'll give him first crack if he writes me back in time.

Anyone else who is interested, please contact me.
91ttucowboy
      ID: 8550318
      Wed, Oct 11, 2017, 21:54
Trade Alert

Meatwads trades:

2017 3.07
2018 6th round pick

ttucowboy trades:

2017 6.12
2018 2nd round pick

Meatwads to confirm..
92Meatwads
      ID: 5863742
      Wed, Oct 11, 2017, 21:58
Confirm
93Tosh
      Dude
      ID: 057721710
      Wed, Oct 11, 2017, 22:21
[91] is processed at draftime.

Still needs to be added to ESPN league page.
94jaydog
      ID: 57213279
      Thu, Oct 12, 2017, 14:25
Jaydog and RSF agree on a trade:

Jaydog receives picks:
3.20
4.07
4.20

RSF receives picks:
3.15
4.15
5.15

RSF to confirm.
95RecycledSpinalFluid
      ID: 5352110
      Thu, Oct 12, 2017, 14:29
Confirmed
96Tosh
      Dude
      ID: 057721710
      Thu, Oct 12, 2017, 14:36
[94] is processed at draftime.
97Species
      SuperDude
      ID: 07724916
      Thu, Oct 12, 2017, 18:48
Thanks Tosh for all of the Draftime processing. I have notated all of the trades on ESPN.
98Tosh
      Dude
      ID: 057721710
      Sat, Oct 14x, 2017, 20:04
This might be the worst 24 hour period I've ever had with a G20 draft.

11 picks in 28.5 hours?!? And three were auto-picks.

99Tosh
      Dude
      ID: 057721710
      Mon, Oct 16, 2017, 17:24
The draft has been re-set, and re-entered. Transaction counter is re-set. Waiver order has been updated. All players are now on waivers.

Please check your teams for accuracy. Thanks.
100Species
      SuperDude
      ID: 07724916
      Mon, Oct 16, 2017, 17:34
THANK YOU TOSH!
101Species
      SuperDude
      ID: 07724916
      Mon, Oct 16, 2017, 17:47
As a last FYI -- our poor speed in drafting has caused us to get to this point only 1 day before the season opens. As such, players will still be on waivers after opening night. That is the cost of some slow drafting....so we will all have to deal with any consequences equally.
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