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0 Subject: Gurupie 20: 2019-20 Preseason Discussion

Posted by: Bean - [304422310] Wed, Sep 11, 2019, 18:03

Constitution

I Site / Stat Source / League Fees

All game, roster and scoring rules will be governed by ESPN. There is no fee for using ESPN.

II Draft
The Supplemental Draft consists of a slow draft and held on the Draftime.com website. Time limits will be three hours for individual picks and 8 hours cumulative clock. You may draft until your picks run out or you have reached twelve (12) players. The clock will be stopped from 11:00 p.m. – 9 a.m. ET but picks may be made during that time. If you time out, you will be skipped and may select at any time. If you have been skipped and have not made up that pick and it becomes your turn again, you will be skipped for that pick as well. If you leave a Q and that person is available to post your pick, you will not be charged any time on your cumulative clock.

The draft order will be reverse of last year's regular season finish and it will NOT snake. Only players currently in the NBA database are eligible to be drafted. Waivers Priority will begin in the same order as the basic draft order (lottery excluded). Please note: The bottom 14 teams will be in the lottery similar to the actual NBA draft. Top three picks for next year will be selected via lottery. 4th-14th picks will be selected based on inverse order of standings.

III League Settings:
Draft Type: Offline Draft and E-mail draft
Max Teams: 20
Scoring Type: Rotisserie
Max Moves: No maximum
Max Trades: No maximum
Trade Review: League Votes (7 needed to veto)
Post Draft Players: Follow Waiver Rules
Max Games Played: 720 (enforced by position)
Roster Positions: G, G, F, F, C, Util, Util, Util, BN, BN, BN, BN
Stat Categories: FG%, FT%, 3PTM, PTS, OREB, REB, AST, ST, BLK

IV Minimum Games Played / Penalties
A team must accumulate a minimum of 656 GP (82 GP/pos) over the course of a season. For each 8 games of shortfall (1 GP/pos), a team is assigned one demerit. Demerits will be integer values only. Thus, a team with 1-8 games of shortfall will receive one demerit, 9-16 will receive 2 demerits, etc.

If a team finishes in the money for prize pool purposes (ranked 1-6), then demerits will be ignored.

For lottery teams, the following penalties will be applied to every pick in the next year's supplement draft:

If a team accumulates more than 10 demerits, then it will be removed from the lottery and assigned the 14th pick in all rounds (i.e., behind all lottery teams, but ahead of any prize pool teams.)

For teams with less than 10 demerits, that team is pushed forward one place in the supplemental draft rankings for each demerit. For example, if a team finishes in last place (20th) and has 5 demerits, then that team will be treated in the draft rankings as though it finished in 15th place (and the teams actually finishing in places 16-20 will each move down one place.)

If more than one lottery team has a demerit, then the lottery rankings will be successively applied starting with the worst finisher and then moving up to the next worst finisher, etc.

Note: While the maximum number of games is measured on a GP/pos (enforced by the ESPN site), the minimum number of games is NOT. For minimum games, all measurements are based on total games played without regard for position.

V Trades
All trades during the season must be submitted via the website's offer trade feature to the league for review. If there is a draft pick it needs to be posted in our thread at rotoguru.com and needs to be confirmed by both parties. You might want to rationalize your trade as it takes just 7 members to reject the trade. You have one day to reject it so please check the site at LEAST once per day (many will have the email feature that emails all accepted trades). Remember with a Keeper league there may be draft picks involved so take the time to check those before rejecting it. Please only reject a trade based on the trade and not the teams involved. A trade by its very nature should help both teams either now, the future or both. All off-season/preseason trades will be governed by a commish.

VI Keepers
Returning owners will have a deadline to declare what players from their team they wish to keep. Each owner may keep up to 6.

You may keep less than six. You may trade keepers after you have declared, but you may not go over six until all 20 teams have officially declared at the Keeper deadline. At that point you may go up to 12 players.

If you keep less than six, the only way you can add a sixth keeper is via trade. You may not drop a player until after the draft is complete.

If you do not name your Keepers by the deadline, the commish(s) will choose those for you and they will be final. If you post your Keepers after the deadline but before the commish posts, your Keepers will be honored. Typically the commish(s) will start figuring out uncommitted Keepers as soon as the deadline has passed.

All un-kept players will go into the draft. A player MUST be in the NBA database in order to be kept.

The only off-season transactions that will be allowed are trades. No free agents may be picked up after the end of the season. Trades of a player for a draft pick are allowed.

VII Prizes

A fine plaque will be engraved and shipped to the winner courtesy of the previous year's winner. The trophy will be yours to proudly display with your other cherished mementos for 1 year. It will be the winner's responsibility to engrave it and ship it to the winner. There will be an added nominal fee to help cover expenses related to the engraving and shipping of the plaque.

A separate cash prize pool has also been established. It is strictly voluntary. Only those who participate will be eligible for this prize. $15 USD entry must be paid by the season opener. The exact method of prize distribution will vary from year to year depending on participation. We focus payouts so it will NOT be winner take all. Six owners will have a chance to win something. Prize pool funds are due by Opening Night.

Subject to change, 2019-2020 Payout has six managers paid:
1st $100
2nd $60
3rd $35
4th $25
5th $20
6th $15
Total Payouts is 19 X $15 = $ 285 ($30 to trophy fund and for Draftime costs)

Ineligible for prize pool:
PD

If any of the non-participants qualify, the prizes will be reallocated by the commissioners. Managers will move up payout position(s) and any remaining funds will go into the trophy fund.

VIII Owners

As commissioners, we reserve the right NOT to extend an invitation to or remove any owner for any reason. Primary reason for being excluded would be abusive behavior (beyond friendly trash talk, harassment), purposeful rules violations (i.e. colluding on a trade), inactivity (i.e. leaving injured players in as starters repeatedly), unresponsive to other owners or commish(s), missing deadlines (i.e. keepers, draft picks, etc.). If an owner is NOT invited back next year. A new owner will be recruited to take over the vacated team in its exact state.

2019 Draft Pick Trades
RSF 1st for Tosh 2nd
GO 2nd for Meatwads 6th
TTU 1st + 4th for Knicksfan 5th + 6th (Rondo)
RSF 2nd for Florian 4th

2020 Draft Pick Trades
RSF 1st for Florian 4th
GO's 3rd for RSF 6th

League Champions:
2003 Peter N
2004 A Perfect 10
2005 Twarpy
2006 RecycledSpinalFluid
2007 beastiemiked
2008 beastiemiked
2009 Ref
2010 Pete N.
2011 Pacers Rule
2012 beastiemiked
2013 Great One
2014 WG
2015 Species
2016 Pete N.
2017 RecycledSpinalFluid
2018 RecycledSpinalFluid
2019 RecycledSpinalFluid
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229GO
      ID: 14143919
      Sat, Feb 08, 2020, 22:32
Yeah, its literally an almost an identical trade.
230RecycledSpinalFluid
      ID: 158151719
      Sat, Feb 08, 2020, 22:41
I just looked at the career and current season numbers of Bledsoe and Reggie Jackson. Surprised by the outcome:

Careers
RJ: 42.8 FG%, 33.4 3P%, 85.7 FT%, 3.0 Reb, 4.4 Ast, 0.7 Stls, 12.9 Pts
EB: 45.6 FG%, 33.6 3P%, 79.5 FT%, 4.0 Reb, 4.8 Ast, 1.4 Stls, 14.2 Pts

2019/20 Season
RJ: 40.3 FG%, 40.0 3P%, 77.8 FT%, 3.2 Reb, 4.5 Ast, 0.6 Stl, 15.4 Pts
EB: 47.9 FG%, 34.6 3P%, 81.5 FT%, 4.7 Reb, 5.3 Ast, 0.9 Stl, 15.3 Pts

So...I'll gladly move Reggie Bar for a 2/6 … Shoot, I'd even go 2/5 :)
231Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Sat, Feb 08, 2020, 22:45
Good feedback. I'm OK with the trade.
232coldwater coyotes
      ID: 8132822
      Sat, Feb 08, 2020, 23:33
Complete nonsense Lets have some integity.
You can count me out playing in this league next year.
Bledsoe is ranked 50 !!!!
233coldwater coyotes
      ID: 8132822
      Sat, Feb 08, 2020, 23:37
I am happy to sell Butler or Gobert for a third round pick
234RecycledSpinalFuild
      ID: 422332219
      Sat, Feb 08, 2020, 23:54
Bledsoe is more name than game, especially with the minutes minimization Milwaukee is living by. My initial reaction was WTF, but his numbers don’t support the overreaction.

Frankly, he’s is worth more like a low first, but sometimes you take what you get. MT isn’t a keeper on anyone’s roster here.
235GO
      ID: 14143919
      Sun, Feb 09, 2020, 00:12
CC not sure what rank you are looking at but right in our Yahoo sort which that we all share... sorted by 2019 Season Total rank (not preseason rank) - he has playing at an 80 something overall rank for the year. And its not suppressed by injury or anything as he has played 43 games.

As stated, Warren went in a similar swap earlier this year... for an even lesser pick swap... IS 4 years younger then Bledsoe (reminder, keeper league)... and is ranked approximately 30 slots better on the season. So were you not against that cause he doesn't have the name brand value that Bledsoe built up back when he was in his prime?

My first reaction is that most people didnt realize how blah his numbers have been in Milwaukee and think its still 2015. He's a complementary player fitting in as the 3rd or 4th guy on a winning team now. I hope Giannis lands him a ring.
237RecycledSpinalFluid
      ID: 158151719
      Sun, Feb 09, 2020, 01:28
Wow...Yahoo rankings are shit. Kyrie has played in what...5 games this year and is ranked #7. I don't think so. As a "potential index" maybe, but not on actual overall results this year.
238R-Money
      ID: 153121721
      Sun, Feb 09, 2020, 01:39
It is misleading that they dont list Games played when you sort by average or Last x days. Just have to double check what you're looking it or be an active enough viewer IRL (which I am not) to just know whos been missing time.
239Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Sun, Feb 09, 2020, 07:25
Yahoo rankings default to average stats. If you switch to totals (rather than average), Kyrie's full season rank is 172.
240RecycledSpinalFuild
      ID: 422332219
      Sun, Feb 09, 2020, 10:08
Thanks for the info on that. I will issue an official apology to Yahoo for denigrating their rankings.
241Fosten
      ID: 4311441513
      Sun, Feb 09, 2020, 18:26
Munson Mobsters 2020 Mid-Season Report
Year 2 of the rebuild has been an improvement and I am definitely liking my team. Some of my youth are finally starting to step it up!

2018 Keepers:
- Westbrook, Tobias = Holdovers from Species' Team inherited on 9/26/18.
- Levert = Acquired via trade 10/4/18. Back from injuries.

2019 Keepers:
- Bam = Drafted in the 4th round 10/9/18. BAM BAM!
- Huerter, Bridges = Acquired via trade 10/11/19. Please Hammer Don't Huerter 'Em!

2019 Draft Picks Meeting Expectations:
- 1.06 Culver = Waiting for the rookie to start on the first unit.
- 2.05 Nurkic = Waiting for the big man to return.

2019 Draft Picks Outperforming Expectations
- 5.05 Moritz = Has been good when healthy. Psst... he's healthy again.
- 6.16 Chriss = Ever since the Warriors converted his contract from a two-way, he's been the go-to guy.

2019 Draft Picks Underperforming Expectations
- 5.03 Giles = Sacramento didn't pick up his option for next year, may get a ticket out of town.
- 6.05 Walker IV = An exciting prospect for next season. His hair barely fits in the avatar.

2019 FA Adds:
- Josh Jackson = #4 overall pick in the 2017 draft is back from the G-League and looking to re-establish.

So... as the ASB approaches, I'm thinking about moving Westbrook. Mainly interested in acquiring some stud youths or high draft picks. (yaya, isn't everyone?) If you think we matchup, get ahold of me, and we'll talk it out. Peace.
243GO
      ID: 14143919
      Tue, Feb 11, 2020, 22:49
Kyrie I am exploring moving for a someone comprable... I just know next year he'll go nuts and be motivated with Durant to run with, but Nets are obviously in ultra conservative mode this year.

A buy low opportunity for someone?
244 ttucowboy
      ID: 101231423
      Sat, Feb 15, 2020, 00:24
I have a plethora of bigs so I’m looking to move one. Most notably, Andre Drummond. I’d be looking for an impact elite guard in return. Not interested in dumping him for a bag of chips like the Pistons did. If you’re interested, fire away.
245RecycledSpinalFluid
      ID: 158151719
      Sat, Feb 15, 2020, 01:27
Kyrie for Drummond and I get a 5th rounder for brokering it?
246RecycledSpinalFluid
      ID: 158151719
      Sat, Feb 15, 2020, 01:52
Miles Bridges - MVP
247RecycledSpinalFluid
      ID: 158151719
      Wed, Feb 26, 2020, 00:31
Just noticed Dragan Bender and Marquese Chriss are both on the Warriors. Oh the Phoenix Suns and their player development...
248ttucowboy
      ID: 19259814
      Sun, Mar 08, 2020, 15:59
How do I move Holmes to active and NAW to IL? Every time I try to move Holmes, it says I have to drop a player. I also don’t have the ability to move NAW or Reddish to IL. Am I missing something? User error?
249Bean
      ID: 304422310
      Sun, Mar 08, 2020, 17:27
NAW's game has started so you have to wait til tomorrow. Reddish is O, not injured, so doesn't qualify. Can u swap out Drummond til tomorrow?

250ttucowboy
      ID: 19259814
      Sun, Mar 08, 2020, 18:27
Drummond is healthy so that’s not an option. I updated for tomorrow. If that’s a problem, definitely let me know and I’ll cut someone.
251RecycledSpinalFluid
      ID: 158151719
      Wed, Mar 11, 2020, 00:39
Show me a metric that shows a washed NoDeAndre Jordan should be playing more than Jarrett Allen...and no, quotes from whiny-bitch-non-leader-Kyrie Irving don't count.
252RecycledSpinalFuild
      ID: 422332219
      Wed, Mar 11, 2020, 21:37
Holy crap!
253Tosh
      Dude
      ID: 057721710
      Wed, Mar 11, 2020, 22:29
I'm guessing that means nobody wins G20 this season. Too bad. It was so close at the top.

254R-Money
      ID: 153121721
      Wed, Mar 11, 2020, 22:59
@Tosh - Were all co champions. Congrats Co champion.
255RecycledSpinalFuild
      ID: 422332219
      Wed, Mar 11, 2020, 23:03
Do we all get participation ribbons?
256Bean
      ID: 304422310
      Thu, Mar 12, 2020, 00:18
Hey, you're all winners in my mind.

My thought is that if they resume play, we simply need to call our season what ever the NBA calls their regular season for crowning a champ. What is more subject to bad blood is the prize money I fear.

If it turns out that regular season games wont be played again this season, perhaps we can find a compromise which includes awarding the winners of this season a percentage, and rolling the remaining prize money toward a fatter pot next season.

Thoughts?
257RecycledSpinalFluid
      ID: 158151719
      Thu, Mar 12, 2020, 02:26
I really hope this isn't the end, but we are so close to the end of the season, I wouldn't doubt it.
258RecycledSpinalFluid
      ID: 158151719
      Thu, Mar 12, 2020, 02:28
One thing to consider is suspending transactions as if this was the last day of the season.
259GO
      ID: 141062421
      Thu, Mar 12, 2020, 09:25
Hi. We should definitely freeze transactions today until we know whats going on. If anyone is added/dropped we'll just reverse.

If they pick up the season where we left off in June then we go from there. Continue as if nothing happened.

My best guess is they skip the regular season and just jump into the playoffs after some "preseason" exhibition type games in like May or June. So if that is the case I don't see why the final standings wouldn't stick as they are today.

Considering I have all these games left unplayed, sucks for me but ya know... maybe gotta go with the smoke em if ya got 'em theory cause you just never know when a global pandemic might happen!
260ttucowboy
      ID: 19259814
      Thu, Mar 12, 2020, 09:27
Agree with suspending transactions and taking a wait and see approach.
261R-Money
      ID: 153121721
      Thu, Mar 12, 2020, 09:41
Since its true Roto - I dont have any issue calling it wherever it ends up and that's that. IMO it would be a little grayer in a H2H LG with playoffs as soon as next week.

playoffs - anyone can get hot, Roto an 8th place team isn't going to catch fire over a 3-4 week span and win everything (although GO might have been close)
262skinneej
      Leader
      ID: 040625911
      Thu, Mar 12, 2020, 13:54
Agreed with above, no new transactions until there is a resolution for continuing or ending the regular season. Standings should probably be final if they don't resume, but I would like to finish it out and was on a little run the past couple weeks as I caught up games. Don't think there was any chance to catch the top 2, but I like to compete and hope this season isn't over.
263GO
      ID: 141062421
      Thu, Mar 12, 2020, 14:45
I already locked all the teams...
264Bean
      ID: 304422310
      Thu, Mar 12, 2020, 16:42
<263> Saw that, thanks for your proactiveness.
265skinneej
      Leader
      ID: 040625911
      Wed, Jun 03, 2020, 13:08
So looks like we will get an 8 game finish to the regular season for 22 NBA teams. I'm assuming Yahoo will count these, but not sure since all teams and players will not be able to compete. Looks like 9 of my players would be able to continue, but some teams may be adversely affected if their stars cannot play. Also, I expect there may be some players that choose to sit out even if their teams are playing.
266Bean
      ID: 304422310
      Thu, Jun 04, 2020, 09:28
I was planning to follow whatever Yahoo does. Not a fan of trying to implement any rule set someone might dream up here, along with doing a formal vote and all the rest of what goes along with a better idea.

For every argument to do one thing there will be an argument to not do it. I'll have to play referee, and I simply do not wish to do that for a season that is essentially already decided.

As I asked in <256>, do we want to do something different with the cash payout?
267GO
      ID: 141062421
      Thu, Jun 04, 2020, 09:35
If not all teams are playing then we can't continue. Not really much room for debate. It would be equivalent to continuing the league during the NBA playoffs. Doesn't make any sense.
268Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Thu, Jun 04, 2020, 12:42
Agree with GO. We just end it now. Unfair to continue with a regular season when 30% of the NBA players are excluded from playing.
269ttucowboy
      ID: 244532919
      Thu, Jun 04, 2020, 19:36
Agree with GO and Guru. No real need to debate either. The season is effectively over for our purposes. I don’t have a strong opinion on the prize pool. I’ll leave that for folks who are actually positioned to be in the $ based on the standings.
270GO
      ID: 14143919
      Thu, Jun 04, 2020, 23:55
I think we played enough of the season that we just let it stand where it ended. Probably screws me most with the ton of games played I had left.

Who knew using games early in case of pandemic was a thing to plan for!
271Bean
      ID: 304422310
      Fri, Jun 05, 2020, 09:50
ESPN has declared the fantasy season over. It's very likely that Yahoo will as well, but there is no announcement yet.

As a side note, I had a perfect NCAA bracket this year!
272skinneej
      Leader
      ID: 040625911
      Fri, Jun 05, 2020, 11:56
Yeah I'm good with calling the season either way, but sounds like Yahoo will make that decision for us. With the season being roughly 80% complete, I think only 1 team had a reasonable chance of moving into the top 6. Based on games played, I don't think the order would change too much. Although GO would probably make a solid run at the title, I still think he's come up a little short. Meatwads had been on a tear so may have been able to move up a couple more spots.

So I think it comes down to do we award the prize pool as standings are finalized with the shortened season or do we give 6th place money to 7th place as well and then adjust the rest? I'm good with either solution.
273RecycledSpinalFluid
      ID: 31526820
      Mon, Jun 08, 2020, 21:26
Without all teams playing, I'm not sure how you can say its part of the "real" season.

I'm not sure I follow the issue with prize money. If its an issue, I normally keep half, leave $15 for entry/trophy and give rest to Guru. So, at minimum, I'd like for us to do at least the last 2 things still, since no one was going to realistically catch me. Use the other $50 for others, if there are "beefs" with the season wrap up. I'm good with that.
274Bean
      ID: 304422310
      Thu, Jun 11, 2020, 00:42
From Yahoo:
The NBA has announced the 22-team season restart plan has been approved. As a result, the Yahoo Fantasy Basketball season has ended, and we will apply the current standings as final.

Congratulations RSF!!

As to the payout, seems nobody cared enough to comment, so payout will be as if a full season was played.

Haven't done the math on minimum GPs (and demerits) but seems to me it should be pro rated, though I am certain that MLB team owners might have an issue with that. I suspect Guru has already done the math on pro-rated, but if I am wrong, I will post in a couple days.
275Bean
      ID: 304422310
      Sun, Jun 14, 2020, 10:06
So, I did the math.

30 NBA Teams aggregated 1942 Games Played (GP) during the season. This comes out to 64.733 GP per team.

G20 Minimum GP is 656. Prorated for this shortened season, you get 656 X (64.733/82) = 517 GP

Only Florian (503) and Gerren (474) failed to meet minimum GP. They receive 2 and 6 demerits respectively.

Here are the official standings (note the tie for 8th):

1 RSF - Mr Big Bucks
2 GO Sixers
3 Skinnee J's
3 coldwater coyotes
5 Mighty Meatwads
6 youngroman's Luschen
7 PT's Pleasant Team
8 SANFORDORS
8 Weekend Over
10 Bean's Buckeyes
11 Fred's Team
12 Munson Mobsters
13 Kevin Love Fan Club
14 Florian’s Team
15 ttucowboy
16 Wazaaap Guy
17 KnicksFan
18 BB the Ball
19 Roto Guru20
20 gerren z's Team


Applying the demerits you get:

1 RSF - Mr Big Bucks
2 GO Sixers
3 Skinnee J's
3 coldwater coyotes
5 Mighty Meatwads
6 youngroman's Luschen
7 PT's Pleasant Team
8 SANFORDORS
8 Weekend Over
10 Bean's Buckeyes
11 Fred's Team
12 Munson Mobsters
13 Florian’s Team
14 Kevin Love Fan Club
15 gerren z's Team
16 ttucowboy
17 Wazaaap Guy
18 KnicksFan
19 BB the Ball
20 Roto Guru20


You can get an idea of how this affects the lottery from <35> above.


Questions? Concerns?
276GO
      ID: 552592314
      Mon, Jun 15, 2020, 13:17
Thanks Bean, great work. Looks like we're all set to close out this season.

best i can tell...
Trade Summary 2020 Draft

RSF 1st for Florian 4th
GOs 3rd for RSF 6th
Meatwads 5th for ttu 3rd (2019 draft swap)
ttucowboy 6th for ttucowby 3rd owned by Meatwads (Jordan/Wood)
ttucowboy 5th (warren) for meatwards 2nd (reddish)
GO 2nd to r$money 6th (Bledsoe/Tybulle)

Some of these are already in Yahoo cause they allow you trade picks built into the trading mechanism. The Jordan/Wood deal is not for some reason.
277Bean
      ID: 304422310
      Wed, Jun 17, 2020, 08:38
<275> Just noticed, there were actually two ties, not just the one I mentioned. There was a tie for 3rd as well as a tie for 8th.

We alternate draft picks and split 3rd + 4th place money for these right?
278Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Wed, Jun 17, 2020, 11:18
Yes, prize money is split for ties.

I think we usually have a coin flip to break ties for draft order, but alternating by round after that seems like a reasonable approach.
279Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Wed, Jun 17, 2020, 12:54
Total collected for the pool this year was $240.

The payouts will be as follows:

RSF $90
GO $50
Skinneej $32.5
Coldwater $32.5
Meatwads $20
Youngroman $15

I'll send out emails to these managers for payment instructions.
280RecycledSpinalFuild
      ID: 422332219
      Fri, Sep 25, 2020, 20:12
That Tyler Herro guy is getting some pretty good press right now.
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