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0 Subject: Gurupie 20: 2020-21 Preseason Discussion

Posted by: Bean - [304422310] Sun, Nov 08, 2020, 11:28

Constitution

I Site / Stat Source / League Fees

All game, roster and scoring rules will be governed by Yahoo. There is no fee for using Yahoo.

II Draft
The Supplemental Draft consists of a slow draft and held on the Draftime.com website. Time limits will be three hours for individual picks and 8 hours cumulative clock. You may draft until your picks run out or you have reached twelve (12) players. The clock will be stopped from 11:00 p.m. – 9 a.m. ET but picks may be made during that time. If you time out, you will be skipped and may select at any time. If you have been skipped and have not made up that pick and it becomes your turn again, you will be skipped for that pick as well. If you leave a Q and that person is available to post your pick, you will not be charged any time on your cumulative clock.

The draft order will be reverse of last year's regular season finish and it will NOT snake. Only players currently in the NBA database are eligible to be drafted. Waivers Priority will begin in the same order as the basic draft order (lottery excluded). Please note: The bottom 14 teams will be in the lottery similar to the actual NBA draft. Top three picks for next year will be selected via lottery. 4th-14th picks will be selected based on inverse order of standings.

III League Settings:
Draft Type: Offline Draft and E-mail draft
Max Teams: 20
Scoring Type: Rotisserie
Max Moves: No maximum
Max Trades: No maximum
Trade Review: League Votes (7 needed to veto)
Post Draft Players: Follow Waiver Rules
Max Games Played: 720 (enforced by position)
Roster Positions: G, G, F, F, C, Util, Util, Util, BN, BN, BN, BN, IL
Stat Categories: FG%, FT%, 3PTM, PTS, OREB, REB, AST, ST, BLK

IV Minimum Games Played / Penalties
A team must accumulate a minimum of 656 GP (82 GP/pos) over the course of a season. For each 8 games of shortfall (1 GP/pos), a team is assigned one demerit. Demerits will be integer values only. Thus, a team with 1-8 games of shortfall will receive one demerit, 9-16 will receive 2 demerits, etc.

If a team finishes in the money for prize pool purposes (ranked 1-6), then demerits will be ignored.

For lottery teams, the following penalties will be applied to every pick in the next year's supplement draft:

If a team accumulates more than 10 demerits, then it will be removed from the lottery and assigned the 14th pick in all rounds (i.e., behind all lottery teams, but ahead of any prize pool teams.)

For teams with less than 10 demerits, that team is pushed forward one place in the supplemental draft rankings for each demerit. For example, if a team finishes in last place (20th) and has 5 demerits, then that team will be treated in the draft rankings as though it finished in 15th place (and the teams actually finishing in places 16-20 will each move down one place.)

If more than one lottery team has a demerit, then the lottery rankings will be successively applied starting with the worst finisher and then moving up to the next worst finisher, etc.

Note: While the maximum number of games is measured on a GP/pos (enforced by the ESPN site), the minimum number of games is NOT. For minimum games, all measurements are based on total games played without regard for position.

V Trades
All trades during the season must be submitted via the website's offer trade feature to the league for review. If there is a draft pick it needs to be posted in our thread at rotoguru.com and needs to be confirmed by both parties. You might want to rationalize your trade as it takes just 7 members to reject the trade. You have one day to reject it so please check the site at LEAST once per day (many will have the email feature that emails all accepted trades). Remember with a Keeper league there may be draft picks involved so take the time to check those before rejecting it. Please only reject a trade based on the trade and not the teams involved. A trade by its very nature should help both teams either now, the future or both. All off-season/preseason trades will be governed by a commish.

VI Keepers
Returning owners will have a deadline to declare what players from their team they wish to keep. Each owner may keep up to 6.

You may keep less than six. You may trade keepers after you have declared, but you may not go over six until all 20 teams have officially declared at the Keeper deadline. At that point you may go up to 12 players.

If you keep less than six, the only way you can add a sixth keeper is via trade. You may not drop a player until after the draft is complete.

If you do not name your Keepers by the deadline, the commish(s) will choose those for you and they will be final. If you post your Keepers after the deadline but before the commish posts, your Keepers will be honored. Typically the commish(s) will start figuring out uncommitted Keepers as soon as the deadline has passed.

All un-kept players will go into the draft. A player MUST be in the NBA database in order to be kept.

The only off-season transactions that will be allowed are trades. No free agents may be picked up after the end of the season. Trades of a player for a draft pick are allowed.

VII Prizes

A fine plaque will be engraved and shipped to the winner courtesy of the previous year's winner. The trophy will be yours to proudly display with your other cherished mementos for 1 year. It will be the winner's responsibility to engrave it and ship it to the winner. There will be an added nominal fee to help cover expenses related to the engraving and shipping of the plaque.

A separate cash prize pool has also been established. It is strictly voluntary. Only those who participate will be eligible for this prize. $15 USD entry must be paid by the season opener. The exact method of prize distribution will vary from year to year depending on participation. We focus payouts so it will NOT be winner take all. Six owners will have a chance to win something. Prize pool funds are due by Opening Night.

Subject to change, 2019-2020 Payout has six managers paid:
1st $100
2nd $60
3rd $35
4th $25
5th $20
6th $15
Total Payouts is 19 X $15 = $ 285 ($30 to trophy fund and for Draftime costs)

Ineligible for prize pool:
PD

If any of the non-participants qualify, the prizes will be reallocated by the commissioners. Managers will move up payout position(s) and any remaining funds will go into the trophy fund.

VIII Owners

As commissioners, we reserve the right NOT to extend an invitation to or remove any owner for any reason. Primary reason for being excluded would be abusive behavior (beyond friendly trash talk, harassment), purposeful rules violations (i.e. colluding on a trade), inactivity (i.e. leaving injured players in as starters repeatedly), unresponsive to other owners or commish(s), missing deadlines (i.e. keepers, draft picks, etc.). If an owner is NOT invited back next year. A new owner will be recruited to take over the vacated team in its exact state.

2020 Draft Pick Trades:
RSF 1st for Florian 4th
GOs 3rd for RSF 6th
Meatwads 5th for ttu 3rd (2019 draft swap)
ttucowboy 6th for ttucowby 3rd owned by Meatwads (Jordan/Wood)
ttucowboy 5th (warren) for meatwards 2nd (reddish)
GO 2nd to r$money 6th (Bledsoe/Tybulle)

League Champions:
2003 Peter N
2004 A Perfect 10
2005 Twarpy
2006 RecycledSpinalFluid
2007 beastiemiked
2008 beastiemiked
2009 Ref
2010 Pete N.
2011 Pacers Rule
2012 beastiemiked
2013 Great One
2014 WG
2015 Species
2016 Pete N.
2017 RecycledSpinalFluid
2018 RecycledSpinalFluid
2019 RecycledSpinalFluid
2020 RecycledSpinalFluid
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103Philly Busters
      ID: 311122313
      Fri, Dec 11, 2020, 16:22
Bean! Need to reset the keeper deadline. It was 3:00 AM this morning.
104Meatwads
      ID: 1411541010
      Fri, Dec 11, 2020, 18:42
Trade Announcement

Meatwads trade
Lonzo Ball, G, NO
Pick 5.06

R-Money trades
Pick 2.12
105R-Money
      ID: 59710815
      Fri, Dec 11, 2020, 18:45
confirm 104
106ttucowboy
      ID: 2311111119
      Fri, Dec 11, 2020, 20:12
Trade Announcement

ttucowboy trades:

4.06

GrayAllenBlows trades:

PJ Washington
6.18
107GraysonAllenBlows
      ID: 11124322
      Fri, Dec 11, 2020, 21:24
confirmed
108GraysonAllenBlows
      ID: 11124322
      Fri, Dec 11, 2020, 22:06
GraysonAllenBlows Keepers:

Jimmy Buckets
Goebert
Jaren Jackson
VanVleet
De'Aaron Fox
OG Anunoby
109Perm Dude
      ID: 3211421121
      Fri, Dec 11, 2020, 22:44
Thanks. The Yahoo app is a pita when it comes to figuring out keepers.
110Bean
      ID: 304422310
      Fri, Dec 11, 2020, 23:05
<103> Phil, I believe you are talking about Yahoo. If you didn't get them in there its not a big deal. I will just enter them manually. As I posted, the official keepers are those in the keeper thread.

<108> Graham, you're new, so I assume you are still coming up to speed with what we are doing here. I will transfer your picks to the keeper thread for you, on the assumption that you wont see this post before the deadline.
111WG
      ID: 89402220
      Fri, Dec 11, 2020, 23:06
Re 94, turns out TJ Warren is hurting a bit, and Meat and I weren't aware of it at the time of the deal. Meat has graciously and generously allowed me to reverse it, for which I am grateful. Bean also stated it would be ok if we both agree. I hope other league managers don't have an issue? Sorry for late post on this.
112Bean
      ID: 304422310
      Fri, Dec 11, 2020, 23:08
<94> Meat post a confirmation when you read this
113WG
      ID: 89402220
      Fri, Dec 11, 2020, 23:17
art, got an email for trade talks?
114Bean
      ID: 304422310
      Fri, Dec 11, 2020, 23:35
Been a long day guys, filled with drama of the non-fantasy sports variety. I am old and need a long rest tonight after that. If I missed anyone's issues, I will try to address them when I re-read all the correspondence in the morning.

We're still missing Fosten's keepers, I sent him a text. He's pretty good about this stuff, hopefully all is well with him. And you all as well.
115Fosten
      ID: 131049118
      Fri, Dec 11, 2020, 23:54
Fosten receives
2.04

WG receives
Mikael Bridges
6th round pick
116WG
      ID: 89402220
      Fri, Dec 11, 2020, 23:54
confirmed
117Meatwads
      ID: 1411541010
      Sat, Dec 12, 2020, 01:03
<111> Confirming that we are reversing that trade. I hope nobody has an issue with this as well. It didn't feel right making WG keep someone who might be out for an undisclosed amount of time. Looking forward to the draft!
118Philly Busters
      ID: 311122313
      Sat, Dec 12, 2020, 09:36
Can't imagine that anyone would have an issue with reversing the trade. Especially since all you'd have to do is execute a 2nd trade that sets things back to the way they were. Good luck to all in the draft! Looking forward to it!
119GO
      ID: 14143919
      Sat, Dec 12, 2020, 09:58
Trade them back or it doesn't count! Lol
120Bean
      ID: 304422310
      Sat, Dec 12, 2020, 16:01
I have updated the Draft Matrix with your picks including all trades to date. Hopefully, I didn't miss anything.

Check it out.

Let me know ASAP if you find an error.
121WG
      Donor
      ID: 35338278
      Sat, Dec 12, 2020, 16:52
My 2-6 with Fosten doesn’t appear to be reflected. Thanks Bean.
122Bean
      ID: 304422310
      Sat, Dec 12, 2020, 17:20
Fixed, thanks WG
123Bean
      ID: 304422310
      Sat, Dec 12, 2020, 17:22
OK you can check the "Draft Results" in Yahoo to see both your picks and keepers. Also, now the players tab should only show the non-keepers now
124Bean
      ID: 304422310
      Sat, Dec 12, 2020, 19:00
I plan to open the draft tomorrow morning sometime. Probably around 10 AM EST. Hopefully, I haven't messed up inputting the keepers or picks.

If you see something wrong, let me know ASAP and I will fix it or figure out the work around.

There will be no clock initially. There will be a four hour clock in effect Tuesday morning. There will be a daily clock pause midnight to 8 AM EST daily.

Our pace is around a round per day once the clock starts. This is not a break neck pace. Dont be that guy please, use queues whenever you can.

If you make a trade during the draft, I will try to respond to it as quickly as I can. Understand this, we will not stop the draft so that you can clear the 48 hour protest window. If the you make the trade and enough people vote it down, you will receive the player that was picked in your spot. This isn't negotiable. So be damn sure you have a fair trade or just wait until after the draft and make my life simpler.

Most of you know, I am commish for three rotoguru leagues this year, all using draft time. Your patience isnt just appreciated, its mandatory.
125Bean
      ID: 304422310
      Sat, Dec 12, 2020, 19:11
Oh, one more thing.

The lack of a clock is to give people time to get their queues in order, and find mistakes I may have made. Its essentially the morning coffee after the wake up call.

Its not there so you can drag ass to gain more time to see what trade rumor is materializing, watch usage of your guy in a preseason game etc. So, dont be that guy.

Though there is no clock, pretend that there is one. Thats a rule of thumb you can easily understand.
126Bean
      ID: 304422310
      Sun, Dec 13, 2020, 12:07
Draft has started. No Clock til Tuesday Morning. Sorry for the delay.

Check to make sure that your keepers and picks have been loaded correctly and let me know ASAP if you find an error. Start loading a queue now, dont wait until its been your pick for 3 hours and 55 minutes to start your research.

The proper etiquette here is that you should be picking as if you were on a four hour clock, you just wont be skipped if you screw that up. Please be considerate of the other 19 managers.
127Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Sun, Dec 13, 2020, 12:34
From the treasurer:

Prize pool dues for the coming season are $15. There is no assessment for a trophy fund again this year, as that continues to be amply funded.

As background for the new managers, we have an optional prize pool. All participating managers contribute $15 at the start of the season, and the pool is distributed at the end to the top six finishers. The actual award amounts are subject to the total amount in the pool, but generally range from about $90-$100 to the winner down to $15 for the #6 team.

New managers do not need to opt into the pool in their first year. But by the second year, they must decide to be in or out. Once you opt in, you must remain in the pool each year to continue in the pool. If you should ever opt out after the first year, then you can never opt back in.

Two managers have opted out: Perm Dude and BB the Ball.

The three new managers this year have the choice to opt in now or to defer their decision until next year.

Six managers have funds on account to cover the dues for 2020:
Dave R, RSF, GO, Meatwad, Youngroman, and Skinneej
Also, one manager has already graciouisly paid the dues for Bean in recognition of his diligent service.
So you 7 guys are already paid up.

Everyone else owes $15, according to my records. If you think I have missed any funds on account for you, please let me know.

Payments can be sent in either of the following ways:
1. Paypal: please send to davehall@rotoguru2.com. (Recipient will probably appear as Uncommon Cents LLC.) Designate this as “send money to friends and family”, and mark the payment only as "G20 hoops". Do not say "prize" or "pool". Those words are red flags for Paypal.
2. Snail mail: check can be sent to the address listed at the bottom of this page:
http://rotoguru2.com/gurupatron-info.html
128Philly Busters
      ID: 311122313
      Sun, Dec 13, 2020, 13:25
I'm opting out for this year
129Bean
      ID: 304422310
      Sun, Dec 13, 2020, 23:39
<127> First, thank you to whomever it was that picked up my tab. The secret Santa thing is nice, I'll be sure to pay it forward.

We managed to take a big bite out of the draft today, thank you to all for your excellent performance.

I have posted picks through 1.17 to Yahoo. If you see a mistake let me know.
130RecycledSpinalFluid
      ID: 31526820
      Mon, Dec 14, 2020, 12:18
Getting pretty excited for my first pick in the draft. Nothing like finding and selecting the 160th best player in the league!
131RecycledSpinalFluid
      ID: 31526820
      Mon, Dec 14, 2020, 16:34
Meatwads just became my mortal enemy...
132Meatwads
      ID: 1411541010
      Mon, Dec 14, 2020, 17:46
Does that mean I accidentally took a good player for once? Oh boy! My cat selected Blake Griffin in round 1, so we're still sorting things out.
133Bean
      ID: 304422310
      Mon, Dec 14, 2020, 23:50
I have posted picks through 3.05 to Yahoo. If you see a mistake let me know.
134Bean
      ID: 304422310
      Tue, Dec 15, 2020, 12:09
4 hour clock is in effect
135RecycledSpinalFluid
      ID: 31526820
      Tue, Dec 15, 2020, 16:43
Patrick Williams...you were thisClose...
136GraysonAllenBlows
      ID: 11124322
      Tue, Dec 15, 2020, 19:11
I was pretty surprised he even got back to me. Let's go Bulls...
137RecycledSpinalFluid
      ID: 31526820
      Tue, Dec 15, 2020, 22:35
Tosh grabbing the home grown, Tacoma's own, Malachi Flynn...local-ish enough. Nice.
138Tosh
      Dude
      ID: 057721710
      Tue, Dec 15, 2020, 23:48
I can smell Tacoma from my house!
139Bean
      ID: 304422310
      Wed, Dec 16, 2020, 00:38
I have posted picks through 4.15 to Yahoo. If you see a mistake let me know.
140Bean
      ID: 304422310
      Thu, Dec 17, 2020, 00:26
I have posted picks through 6.04 to Yahoo. If you see a mistake let me know.
141GO
      ID: 517342812
      Thu, Dec 17, 2020, 01:15
Look out folks! I got 4 picks in the last 20 of the draft. Including Mr. Irrelevant +also Mr. Vice Irrelevant.
142RecycledSpinalFuild
      ID: 422332219
      Thu, Dec 17, 2020, 10:51
I may be breaking draft etiquette with this suggestion, but for Mr. Irrelevant, you should select...Jay Scrubb.

Then promptly cut his ass.
143Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Thu, Dec 17, 2020, 11:21
Still awaiting dues payment from Pete N, twolves, Fosten, and R-Money. Assuming that artofmonk will defer decision on participation until next year (unless I hear otherwise).

Thanks to the rest of you for your prompt payments.
144GO
      ID: 517342812
      Thu, Dec 17, 2020, 13:53
I was legit going to make Bol Bol the last pick you jerk.
145RecycledSpinalFluid
      ID: 31526820
      Thu, Dec 17, 2020, 13:58
Two people that have Meatwads as mortal enemies???? Is this the start of the Evil League of Evil? Sweet!
146ttucowboy
      ID: 2311111119
      Thu, Dec 17, 2020, 14:43
Payment sent
148GO
      ID: 517342812
      Thu, Dec 17, 2020, 16:03
Taco and a 2nd or 3rd rounder next year available for a good veteran player! :)
149RecycledSpinalFluid
      ID: 31526820
      Thu, Dec 17, 2020, 16:43
I just realized I drafted 5 SGs of my 6 selections...uh...I might have a slightly imbalanced roster design.
150Bean
      ID: 304422310
      Thu, Dec 17, 2020, 17:32
Draft is done.

Players are loaded to your teams in Yahoo.

All undrafted non-keepers are on waivers now.

Initial Waiver order is set.

If you find an error let me know.

Good luck.
151RecycledSpinalFluid
      ID: 31526820
      Thu, Dec 17, 2020, 17:38
Many thanks Bean!
152BB the Ball
      ID: 5110333020
      Fri, Dec 18, 2020, 17:36
Thanks Bean for all of your work-- thanks to everyone for a fun awesome draft
153Bean
      ID: 304422310
      Sat, Dec 19, 2020, 18:15
This thread is now done. Please move correspondence to the Regular Season thread.
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