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Subject: Gurupie 20: 2020-21 Regular Season Discussion
Posted by: Bean
- [304422310] Sat, Dec 19, 2020, 18:13
Constitution
I Site / Stat Source / League Fees
All game, roster and scoring rules will be governed by Yahoo. There is no fee for using Yahoo.
II Draft
The Supplemental Draft consists of a slow draft and held on the Draftime.com website. Time limits will be three hours for individual picks and 8 hours cumulative clock. You may draft until your picks run out or you have reached twelve (12) players. The clock will be stopped from midnight to 8 AM ET but picks may be made during that time. If you time out, you will be skipped and may select at any time. If you have been skipped and have not made up that pick and it becomes your turn again, you will be skipped for that pick as well. If you leave a Q and that person is available to post your pick, you will not be charged any time on your cumulative clock.
The draft order will be reverse of last year's regular season finish and it will NOT snake. Only players currently in the NBA database are eligible to be drafted. Waivers Priority will begin in the same order as the basic draft order (lottery excluded). Please note: The bottom 14 teams will be in the lottery similar to the actual NBA draft. Top three picks for next year will be selected via lottery. 4th-14th picks will be selected based on inverse order of standings.
III League Settings:
Draft Type: Offline Draft and E-mail draft
Max Teams: 20
Scoring Type: Rotisserie
Max Moves: No maximum
Max Trades: No maximum
Trade Review: League Votes (7 needed to veto)
Post Draft Players: Follow Waiver Rules
Max Games Played: 720 (enforced by position); (due to the shorter season, for this year we will use 640)
Roster Positions: G, G, F, F, C, Util, Util, Util, BN, BN, BN, BN, IL
Stat Categories: FG%, FT%, 3PTM, PTS, OREB, REB, AST, ST, BLK
IV Minimum Games Played / Penalties
A team must accumulate a minimum of 656 GP (82 GP/pos) over the course of a season. For each 8 games of shortfall (1 GP/pos), a team is assigned one demerit. Demerits will be integer values only. Thus, a team with 1-8 games of shortfall will receive one demerit, 9-16 will receive 2 demerits, etc. (For this season we will use 576 vs 656)
If a team finishes in the money for prize pool purposes (ranked 1-6), then demerits will be ignored.
For lottery teams, the following penalties will be applied to every pick in the next year's supplement draft:
If a team accumulates more than 10 demerits, then it will be removed from the lottery and assigned the 14th pick in all rounds (i.e., behind all lottery teams, but ahead of any prize pool teams.)
For teams with less than 10 demerits, that team is pushed forward one place in the supplemental draft rankings for each demerit. For example, if a team finishes in last place (20th) and has 5 demerits, then that team will be treated in the draft rankings as though it finished in 15th place (and the teams actually finishing in places 16-20 will each move down one place.)
If more than one lottery team has a demerit, then the lottery rankings will be successively applied starting with the worst finisher and then moving up to the next worst finisher, etc.
Note: While the maximum number of games is measured on a GP/pos (enforced by the ESPN site), the minimum number of games is NOT. For minimum games, all measurements are based on total games played without regard for position.
V Trades
All trades during the season must be submitted via the website's offer trade feature to the league for review. If there is a draft pick it needs to be posted in our thread at rotoguru.com and needs to be confirmed by both parties. You might want to rationalize your trade as it takes just 7 members to reject the trade. You have one day to reject it so please check the site at LEAST once per day (many will have the email feature that emails all accepted trades). Remember with a Keeper league there may be draft picks involved so take the time to check those before rejecting it. Please only reject a trade based on the trade and not the teams involved. A trade by its very nature should help both teams either now, the future or both. All off-season/preseason trades will be governed by a commish.
VI Keepers
Returning owners will have a deadline to declare what players from their team they wish to keep. Each owner may keep up to 6.
You may keep less than six. You may trade keepers after you have declared, but you may not go over six until all 20 teams have officially declared at the Keeper deadline. At that point you may go up to 12 players.
If you keep less than six, the only way you can add a sixth keeper is via trade. You may not drop a player until after the draft is complete.
If you do not name your Keepers by the deadline, the commish(s) will choose those for you and they will be final. If you post your Keepers after the deadline but before the commish posts, your Keepers will be honored. Typically the commish(s) will start figuring out uncommitted Keepers as soon as the deadline has passed.
All un-kept players will go into the draft. A player MUST be in the NBA database in order to be kept.
The only off-season transactions that will be allowed are trades. No free agents may be picked up after the end of the season. Trades of a player for a draft pick are allowed.
VII Prizes
A fine plaque will be engraved and shipped to the winner courtesy of the previous year's winner. The trophy will be yours to proudly display with your other cherished mementos for 1 year. It will be the winner's responsibility to engrave it and ship it to the winner. There will be an added nominal fee to help cover expenses related to the engraving and shipping of the plaque.
A separate cash prize pool has also been established. It is strictly voluntary. Only those who participate will be eligible for this prize. $15 USD entry must be paid by the season opener. The exact method of prize distribution will vary from year to year depending on participation. We focus payouts so it will NOT be winner take all. Six owners will have a chance to win something. Prize pool funds are due by Opening Night.
Subject to change, 2020-2021 Payout has six managers paid:
1st $90
2nd $50
3rd $40
4th $25
5th $20
6th $15
Total Payouts is 16 X $15 = $ 240 ($0 to trophy fund and for Draftime costs this year)
Ineligible for prize pool:
PD, BB the Ball, artofmonk (1st year), PhillyButsters (1st year)
If any of the non-participants qualify, the prizes will be reallocated by the commissioners. Managers will move up payout position(s) and any remaining funds will go into the trophy fund.
VIII Owners
As commissioners, we reserve the right NOT to extend an invitation to or remove any owner for any reason. Primary reason for being excluded would be abusive behavior (beyond friendly trash talk, harassment), purposeful rules violations (i.e. colluding on a trade), inactivity (i.e. leaving injured players in as starters repeatedly), unresponsive to other owners or commish(s), missing deadlines (i.e. keepers, draft picks, etc.). If an owner is NOT invited back next year. A new owner will be recruited to take over the vacated team in its exact state.
2021 Draft Pick Trades:
None
League Champions:
2003 Peter N
2004 A Perfect 10
2005 Twarpy
2006 RecycledSpinalFluid
2007 beastiemiked
2008 beastiemiked
2009 Ref
2010 Pete N.
2011 Pacers Rule
2012 beastiemiked
2013 Great One
2014 WG
2015 Species
2016 Pete N.
2017 RecycledSpinalFluid
2018 RecycledSpinalFluid
2019 RecycledSpinalFluid
2020 RecycledSpinalFluid
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| 34 | GO
ID: 517342812
Wed, Jan 06, 2021, 09:24
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I do love some Klay! if not contending... Bobby Portis is my boy too, always seems to make his way on to my squads. I think I even kept him once in this league.
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| 35 | RecycledSpinalFluid
ID: 31526820
Wed, Jan 13, 2021, 16:55
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Ha! I learned Harden was traded to the Nets when I loaded up the ESPN Trade Machine for the Nets and it showed Harden on their team. That's just funny to me.
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| 36 | RecycledSpinalFluid
ID: 31526820
Wed, Jan 13, 2021, 16:59
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And crap...Allen goes to another time share with a team with multiple bigs...WTF.
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| 37 | RecycledSpinalFuild
ID: 422332219
Wed, Jan 13, 2021, 22:42
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Trade is:
RSF gets:
Gallinari
PD 2021.4th rounder
Perm Dude gets:
Hardaway
RSF 221.2nd rounder
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| 38 | RecycledSpinalFuild
ID: 422332219
Thu, Jan 14, 2021, 01:55
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Perm Dude, gotta say, your drops lately have been...odd. Did you mean to drop kennard with this deal? I know the numbers are down but he’s more long term look than that.
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| 39 | ttucowboy
ID: 49014145
Thu, Jan 14, 2021, 06:15
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I’d like to thank Kyrie Irving....
....for absolutely nothing. Come back to round planet Earth Kyrie, welcome back anytime.
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| 40 | RecycledSpinalFuild
ID: 422332219
Fri, Jan 15, 2021, 21:09
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Giannis, yet killing me with the free throws man. You might need to get some lessons from Andre Drummond or Markelle Fultz pretty soon...or maybe you already have.
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| 41 | ttucowboy
ID: 340572219
Fri, Jan 22, 2021, 20:57
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Looking to move my 1st round pick for guard stats. If interested, let me know.
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| 42 | WG
ID: 89402220
Sun, Jan 24, 2021, 15:52
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Anyone have a big to trade?
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| 43 | WG
ID: 89402220
Sat, Jan 30, 2021, 19:55
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Still in the market for a big or (aging) PG if anyone is dealing. Can move Mikal Bridges (24) or Kelly Oubre (25) if anyone has an eye on keepers and looking to get younger. Have a 1 and 3 still that I can include in a deal as well.
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| 44 | GO
ID: 517342812
Sun, Jan 31, 2021, 15:04
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Hi Bean - can you veto this Hardaway deal? Not that he's worth all that much, but Carmelo was supposed to be in it -- not dropped...
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| 45 | Bean
ID: 304422310
Sun, Jan 31, 2021, 15:56
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Have communicated with both GO and PD. They asked me to veto the trade and let them redo it due to a mistake.
I temproraily changed league settings to veto their trade. Have put them back to league votes.
When they redo the trade, you will be able to vote on it.
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| 46 | GO
ID: 517342812
Sun, Jan 31, 2021, 16:05
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Sorry for the extra work! but thanks...
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| 47 | Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Mon, Feb 01, 2021, 09:21
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How does Georgu Dieng get dropped and gets picked up, as a free agent the same date, having not gone through Waivers
Gorgui Dieng Mem - F,C
Free Agent
Tony Bradley Phi - C
To Waivers
Wazaaap Guy
Feb 1, 9:11 am
Moritz Wagner Was - F,C
Free Agent
Gorgui Dieng Mem - F,C
To Free Agent
WWCBD
Feb 1, 1:57 am
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| 48 | GO
ID: 517342812
Mon, Feb 01, 2021, 09:35
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My canned response for the semi-annual time we get asked this question across all sports goes something like this...
Hello fellow citizens of the fantasy sports universe. If a player is added and then dropped same-day (before overnight processing) they they do not go through waivers.
This is a method of prevention to stop fantasy sports jerks from i.e. sending all the kickers to waivers so you can't add one.
This one is tricky cause of the dates involved. But Gorgi was added Jan 31 3 AM after overnight processing and dropped Feb 1 1 AM but before the next overnight processing occured. So that means he was add/drop "same day" and doesn't go through waivers.
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| 49 | GO
ID: 517342812
Mon, Feb 01, 2021, 17:44
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I think we are supposed to be at only 1 day for trade review too... does anyone remember? I know in ESPN it went through 24 hours after acceptance.
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| 50 | Bean
ID: 304422310
Mon, Feb 01, 2021, 18:15
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I didn't change any settings that I am aware of.
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| 51 | GO
ID: 517342812
Tue, Feb 02, 2021, 09:09
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Yeah, its set at 1 day. I think "1 day" is just longer than ESPN cause its 1 day... but then waits til the next day processing. Whereas ESPN will process it and flip the players around mid day. Its probably better this way cause I know at ESPN I would get caught offguard with deals going through at weird times and guys stuck on the bench.
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| 52 | WG
ID: 89402220
Fri, Feb 05, 2021, 16:28
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Looking to move Mikal Bridges, Jordan Clarkson, Evan Fournier, 1, 3 in some combo for assists if anyone open to a deal?
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| 53 | RecycledSpinalFluid
ID: 31526820
Mon, Feb 15, 2021, 18:52
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Dear Cleveland, please take your time choosing what to do with Drummond. Thank you.
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| 54 | GO
ID: 517342812
Thu, Feb 18, 2021, 09:05
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Not that we'd be switching now. Guessing this is in anticipation of baseball, more COVID options.
The IL+ slot for Yahoo Fantasy Basketball leagues is now available. Commissioners in private leagues can enable this slot using the commissioner tools (Commissioner >> Rosters & Scoring >> Edit Roster Slots). Players with INJ, OFS, O, and GTD statuses will be eligible for this slot.
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| 55 | Tosh
Dude
ID: 057721710
Thu, Feb 18, 2021, 13:47
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Looks pretty close at the top. I'm sure that someone could use John Hall (PG, HOU). He is available in the right deal. I would be seeking a C or PF with comparable value on a number of 'keeper lists'. High draft picks will also be considered.
Kevin Love is close to returning, and can also be made available.
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| 56 | RecycledSpinalFluid
ID: 31526820
Thu, Feb 18, 2021, 22:01
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I need to embrace Giannis sucking at free throws this season.
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| 57 | GO
ID: 517342812
Mon, Feb 22, 2021, 10:25
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If we switch from IL to IL+ next year, the team with Drummond (listed as "O" out status) would be able to put him in the IL+ and not be screwed right now.
So just a solid example of what we should vote on if we consider switching to it next year.
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| 58 | GO
ID: 531581023
Tue, Feb 23, 2021, 23:36
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If I were a rebuilding squad i would have already offered myself a dozen trade offers to stash Robert Williams. THE TIME LORD! Top 85 value in under 20 min per game?! Just waiting to be unleashed... get him while you still might be able to. He's perfect for this format.
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| 59 | WG
ID: 89402220
Wed, Feb 24, 2021, 09:40
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Looking to trade for assists, steals, and 3s. Mikal Bridges (24yr, currently ranked 54) and my 2022 1st rounder probably my most tradable assets but open to other considerations as well, if anyone open to talks.
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| 60 | ttucowboy
ID: 5719277
Sat, Feb 27, 2021, 08:10
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I have a 3rd round pick I’m looking to make some bad decisions with. If anyone has a player they’d like to move for a 3rd / 6th swap, fire away. Maybe Cleveland will get off their ass and trade Drummond in the meantime.
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| 61 | Philly Busters
ID: 311122313
Sat, Mar 06, 2021, 11:09
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Can someone provide a rules clarification for me? What players are eligible to be picked up and added to our rosters? I've been keeping a close eye on Kevin Porter Jr for several weeks waiting to see when he'll be promoted from the G League in order to add him. There would have been no reason to wait given my teams position in the standings if he has been eligible all along. If everyone in the G League is eligible if they show up on the Yahoo player list, then I have some serious research to do this weekend! I'll definitely chalk this up to a newbie learning experience but its a costly one. He'd have been a perfect addition to my motley crew of high upside youngsters. Pox on NBCSportsEdge for posting a blurb on him last night!
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| 62 | Bean
ID: 304422310
Sat, Mar 06, 2021, 11:49
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<61>If they are in the Yahoo database you can pick them up. As a rule, if they get called up, but were not in the database, Yahoo will put them on waivers, when they finally add them.
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| 63 | RecycledSpinalFuild
ID: 422332219
Sun, Mar 07, 2021, 20:48
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When there is any question on pickups, I believe the rules state the player should go back to the original team who drafted him that season. I’m just sayin...
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| 64 | GO
ID: 517342812
Mon, Mar 08, 2021, 09:12
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So while its fresh in our brain, what do we think for next year about the IL?
What is our current setup -- 1 IL slot and use it anyway you want? I believe so, but correct me if I'm wrong.
Thoughts on..
IL for keepers only and make it 2 slots? We can code a giant K logo next to keepers, so would easy to keep an eye on.
OR... at least 2 slots which COVID is so prominent of an issue the next couple years? Vote on the extra slot each year...
The option of IL+ which allows more people to go into the IL slot... "Players with INJ, OFS, O, and GTD statuses will be eligible for this slot"
So this would be the Drummond rule. Instead of Drummond being stuck on the bench right now being held out for trade, he at least could be in an IL slot.
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| 65 | GO
ID: 531581023
Sun, Mar 14, 2021, 09:43
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Excited to get one of my 7 IL players back today. Woo.
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| 66 | RecycledSpinalFluid
ID: 31526820
Sun, Mar 14, 2021, 21:06
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Thats brutal!
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| 67 | ttucowboy
ID: 13221157
Mon, Mar 15, 2021, 08:21
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That’s brutal GO, at one point this year I was in the same boat so I feel your pain.
As the Drummond owner, I would support the Drummond rule (surprise! lol). Seriously though, to have him on my bench eating up a slot through no fault of his own is rather frustrating. I’d support expanding the IL rule to 2, include any status (IL, O, INJ, GTD) and make it KEEPER only (hopefully that wouldn’t require any manual review by the Commish). I’ve done it a few times, because the current rules allow it, but I don’t really agree with being able to pick up a FA and stash them on IL.
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| 68 | Bean
ID: 304422310
Mon, Mar 15, 2021, 11:22
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The Keeper Only rule has a clause in it that makes it the responsibility of the guy who suggested it to monitor it.
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| 69 | GO
ID: 517342812
Mon, Mar 15, 2021, 17:25
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With the little "K" logo next to all keepers, I think its easy enough to keep tabs on people.
Proposal = 2 IL+ slots for keepers only?
And I assume only keepers that were kept or traded for? i.e. our Kyrie and Christian Wood trade, new owner can still put in IL?
I think this is simple enough and most people would be ok with it. When is best time to vote? Seasons end?
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| 70 | ttucowboy
ID: 13221157
Mon, Mar 15, 2021, 17:35
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Lol Bean, all kidding aside maybe just maybe it wouldn’t require much of any policing since there’s a nice little “K” next to players that were marked as keepers. Probably would have to monitor for the occasional brain fart but would imagine that’s about it with this group.
Agree GO, keepers regardless of if traded or even dropped (i.e. Derrick White). That limits this rule to 120 players from beginning to end of the season. If there’s a K next to their name, they’re eligible for IL. Otherwise, nope. Seems simple enough.
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| 71 | Bean
ID: 304422310
Mon, Mar 15, 2021, 19:54
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you two think I am joking
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| 72 | Bean
ID: 304422310
Mon, Mar 29, 2021, 10:15
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My turn to whine. LBJ and Horford back to back.
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| 73 | RecycledSpinalFluid
ID: 31526820
Mon, Apr 05, 2021, 17:52
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Trying my best to not make it too easy for WG. Kinda looked at the standings and can see this squad moving up 12 point or moving down 25, so that's a huge range outcome.
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| 74 | RecycledSpinalFluid
ID: 35326720
Wed, Apr 07, 2021, 21:26
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Well it’s my turn. Giannis with the knee, Harden with the hammy, Capela with an Achilles issue, Allen with a concussion, Gallinari with a ... being Gallinari. Sheesh.
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| 75 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Tue, Apr 27, 2021, 11:34
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Bean - you just posted a message at Yahoo, which I received via email. I have no idea what it means.
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| 76 | Bean
ID: 304422310
Tue, Apr 27, 2021, 11:45
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The joke loses its appeal when it has to be explained.
Weekend Over has been #2 pretty much all season, he has fallen to #4 and only has limited GPs left in the UTL position to fill. G/F/C are maxed.
Therefore, "the weekend is over."
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| 77 | Bean
ID: 304422310
Tue, Apr 27, 2021, 11:53
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Perhaps I should have said "the weak end is over" Maybe that would have been funny.
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| 78 | RecycledSpinalFluid
ID: 31526820
Fri, Apr 30, 2021, 01:21
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Right now, I'm marking this season with an asterisk, as in my draft sucked asterisk.
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| 79 | RecycledSpinalFluid
ID: 31526820
Mon, May 17, 2021, 00:32
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Congrats WG for his 2nd championship! Dominant win for sure.
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| 80 | GO
ID: 5445177
Mon, May 17, 2021, 08:45
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Congrats to WG!
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| 81 | ttucowboy
ID: 10452177
Mon, May 17, 2021, 08:54
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Congrats WG! You made some sharp moves which helped you navigate through significant injuries and really dominated the latter half of the season. Nicely done!
I think I may have the record for most 2nd place finishes. Buffalo Bills of the 90’s! 🙄
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| 82 | WG
ID: 89402220
Mon, May 17, 2021, 13:00
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Thanks everyone, was a fun year. Not really sure when or how I grew a bit of a lead but with so many good managers/teams right below I didn't want to take the foot of the pedal and so tried to stay active in the day to day til the end. Congrats to Pete for a tough fought 2nd place finish, and to Bean, GO, and RSF for strong seasons as well. Looking forward to defending the title next year!
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| 83 | Bean
ID: 304422310
Mon, May 17, 2021, 23:43
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Hmm, Thought I had posted earlier today, but apparently I didn't hit "Post Now".
Grats WG, and Pete on 2nd (I tried to catch ya).
Grats to all the money winners.
I think I said something about I'll be back next year, my players will all have their AARP cards looking for their discount.
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