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Subject: Gurupie 20: 2021-22 Preseason Discussion
Posted by: Bean
- [304422310] Fri, Sep 24, 2021, 23:42
Constitution
I Site / Stat Source / League Fees
All game, roster and scoring rules will be governed by Yahoo. There is no fee for using Yahoo.
II Draft
The Supplemental Draft consists of a slow draft and held on the Draftime.com website. Time limits will be three hours for individual picks and 8 hours cumulative clock. You may draft until your picks run out or you have reached twelve (12) players. The clock will be stopped from midnight to 8 AM ET but picks may be made during that time. If you time out, you will be skipped and may select at any time. If you have been skipped and have not made up that pick and it becomes your turn again, you will be skipped for that pick as well. If you leave a Q and that person is available to post your pick, you will not be charged any time on your cumulative clock.
The draft order will be reverse of last year's regular season finish and it will NOT snake. Only players currently in the NBA database are eligible to be drafted. Waivers Priority will begin in the same order as the basic draft order (lottery excluded). Please note: The bottom 14 teams will be in the lottery similar to the actual NBA draft. Top three picks for next year will be selected via lottery. 4th-14th picks will be selected based on inverse order of standings.
III League Settings:
Draft Type: Offline Draft and E-mail draft
Max Teams: 20
Scoring Type: Rotisserie
Max Moves: No maximum
Max Trades: No maximum
Trade Review: League Votes (7 needed to veto)
Post Draft Players: Follow Waiver Rules
Max Games Played: 720 (enforced by position)
Roster Positions: G, G, F, F, C, Util, Util, Util, BN, BN, BN, BN, IL
Stat Categories: FG%, FT%, 3PTM, PTS, OREB, REB, AST, ST, BLK
IV Minimum Games Played / Penalties
A team must accumulate a minimum of 656 GP (82 GP/pos) over the course of a season. For each 8 games of shortfall (1 GP/pos), a team is assigned one demerit. Demerits will be integer values only. Thus, a team with 1-8 games of shortfall will receive one demerit, 9-16 will receive 2 demerits, etc.
If a team finishes in the money for prize pool purposes (ranked 1-6), then demerits will be ignored.
For lottery teams, the following penalties will be applied to every pick in the next year's supplement draft:
If a team accumulates more than 10 demerits, then it will be removed from the lottery and assigned the 14th pick in all rounds (i.e., behind all lottery teams, but ahead of any prize pool teams.)
For teams with less than 10 demerits, that team is pushed forward one place in the supplemental draft rankings for each demerit. For example, if a team finishes in last place (20th) and has 5 demerits, then that team will be treated in the draft rankings as though it finished in 15th place (and the teams actually finishing in places 16-20 will each move down one place.)
If more than one lottery team has a demerit, then the lottery rankings will be successively applied starting with the worst finisher and then moving up to the next worst finisher, etc.
Note: While the maximum number of games is measured on a GP/pos (enforced by the ESPN site), the minimum number of games is NOT. For minimum games, all measurements are based on total games played without regard for position.
V Trades
All trades during the season must be submitted via the website's offer trade feature to the league for review. If there is a draft pick it needs to be posted in our thread at rotoguru.com and needs to be confirmed by both parties. You might want to rationalize your trade as it takes just 7 members to reject the trade. You have one day to reject it so please check the site at LEAST once per day (many will have the email feature that emails all accepted trades). Remember with a Keeper league there may be draft picks involved so take the time to check those before rejecting it. Please only reject a trade based on the trade and not the teams involved. A trade by its very nature should help both teams either now, the future or both. All off-season/preseason trades will be governed by a commish.
VI Keepers
Returning owners will have a deadline to declare what players from their team they wish to keep. Each owner may keep up to 6.
You may keep less than six. You may trade keepers after you have declared, but you may not go over six until all 20 teams have officially declared at the Keeper deadline. At that point you may go up to 12 players.
If you keep less than six, the only way you can add a sixth keeper is via trade. You may not drop a player until after the draft is complete.
If you do not name your Keepers by the deadline, the commish(s) will choose those for you and they will be final. If you post your Keepers after the deadline but before the commish posts, your Keepers will be honored. Typically, the commish(s) will start figuring out uncommitted Keepers as soon as the deadline has passed.
All un-kept players will go into the draft. A player MUST be in the NBA database in order to be kept.
The only off-season transactions that will be allowed are trades. No free agents may be picked up after the end of the season. Trades of a player for a draft pick are allowed.
VII Prizes
A fine plaque will be engraved and shipped to the winner courtesy of the previous year's winner. The trophy will be yours to proudly display with your other cherished mementos for 1 year. It will be the winner's responsibility to engrave it and ship it to the winner. There will be an added nominal fee to help cover expenses related to the engraving and shipping of the plaque.
A separate cash prize pool has also been established. It is strictly voluntary. Only those who participate will be eligible for this prize. $15 USD entry must be paid by the season opener. The exact method of prize distribution will vary from year to year depending on participation. We focus payouts so it will NOT be winner take all. Six owners will have a chance to win something. Prize pool funds are due by Opening Night.
Subject to change, 2021-2022 Payout has six managers paid:
1st $90
2nd $50
3rd $40
4th $25
5th $20
6th $15
Total Payouts is 16 X $15 = $ 240 ($0 to trophy fund and for Draftime costs this year)
Ineligible for prize pool:
PD, BB the Ball, artofmonk (1st year), PhillyButsters (1st year)
If any of the non-participants qualify, the prizes will be reallocated by the commissioners. Managers will move up payout position(s) and any remaining funds will go into the trophy fund.
VIII Owners
As commissioners, we reserve the right NOT to extend an invitation to or remove any owner for any reason. Primary reason for being excluded would be abusive behavior (beyond friendly trash talk, harassment), purposeful rules violations (i.e. colluding on a trade), inactivity (i.e. leaving injured players in as starters repeatedly), unresponsive to other owners or commish(s), missing deadlines (i.e. keepers, draft picks, etc.). If an owner is NOT invited back next year. A new owner will be recruited to take over the vacated team in its exact state.
2021 Draft Pick Trades:
<37> Perm Dude sends 4th; RSF sends 2nd
League Champions:
2003 Peter N
2004 A Perfect 10
2005 Twarpy
2006 RecycledSpinalFluid
2007 beastiemiked
2008 beastiemiked
2009 Ref
2010 Pete N.
2011 Pacers Rule
2012 beastiemiked
2013 Great One
2014 WG
2015 Species
2016 Pete N.
2017 RecycledSpinalFluid
2018 RecycledSpinalFluid
2019 RecycledSpinalFluid
2020 RecycledSpinalFluid
2021 WG
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| 110 | RecycledSpinalFluid
ID: 45103890
Wed, Dec 01, 2021, 15:34
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WWCBD - Duff, thank you! I spent way too long thinking about picking up Boogie. Like I need another GD Buck! Now, I know it's going to come back and bite me for not doing it...
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| 111 | WWCBD
ID: 27113920
Thu, Dec 02, 2021, 01:42
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The way I'm burning through players like a 12 year old with ADD I'm sure you'll have an opportunity to grab him soon enough :)
The game cap adjustment completely threw me off. My "just have players with long term upside" on my bench strat really boned me haha. I'm scrambling for starters.
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| 112 | GO
ID: 19101309
Thu, Dec 09, 2021, 10:11
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I'd never used the Standings "Chart View" interactive before on the website... really interesting to see the way I've gone up, down and back up again on my FT% for example. I was looking for something similar on ESPN for RIHC and am finding nothing.
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| 113 | Perm Dude
ID: 561143715
Fri, Dec 10, 2021, 16:41
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Kevin Looney has appeared on the rosters of 1/4 of the league already this season.
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| 114 | RecycledSpinalFluid
ID: 45103890
Fri, Dec 17, 2021, 16:55
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OK. I've got a real problem that needs therapy to resolve. 5 Bucks? Is Middleton available?
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| 115 | RecycledSpinalFluid
ID: 2311311914
Sun, Dec 19, 2021, 15:31
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Man, it’s a battle of attrition right now. This is definitely a rough patch for the NBA right now.
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| 116 | GO
ID: 19101309
Mon, Dec 20, 2021, 09:29
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I wonder what percentage of the NBA players are actually vaccinated vs. other sports. I also wonder if the nature of no helmets, close contact leads to more transfer of the virus or if that's even a factor. Like baseball they can stay pretty far from each other for the most part. AND everyone is touching the ball... unlike in say football, none of the lineman touch it, just the dude in front of them for the most part.
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| 117 | RecycledSpinalFluid
ID: 45103890
Tue, Dec 21, 2021, 11:34
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I read something from John Hollinger yesterday that the NBA is 97% vaxxed. In the ever mutating virus world, who knows what that even means now. 1 shot? 2 shots? Booster?
Only thing I know is that we are getting deep in the woods on guys getting 20+ minutes a game. I mean, Hassani Gravett? Who-the-whatsit? I don't know who that dude is, but he may be winning the best hair & beard combo in the NBA.
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| 118 | WWCBD
ID: 27113920
Tue, Dec 21, 2021, 13:43
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This is just ridiculous :-/ yeesh
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| 119 | Skinneej
ID: 11931511
Tue, Dec 21, 2021, 14:46
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Yeah that is pretty bad when Hassani Gravett is being considered for a pickup. Of all the guys that have come out of my alma mater at South Carolina, he is one of those I cringed when he was in the games. Terrible shooter and terrible decision maker under pressure. I just saw he was a career 38% shooter in college which is higher than I thought. He was at least 33% from 3 but that’s not great these days, and he was a below average FT shooter also. Just a bum that I’m glad graduated finally!
I’m glad to get Derozan and Booker back, but had 5 guys out on protocols a few days ago. I’m know that each player is likely to be out at least once this year, so hoping they can stagger them for me and not have so many out at once.
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| 120 | RecycledSpinalFluid
ID: 2311311914
Tue, Dec 21, 2021, 17:46
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Currently 4 of my 6 keepers…Dinwiddie may as well be, I’d be getting better results…
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| 121 | skinneej
Leader
ID: 040625911
Wed, Dec 22, 2021, 13:53
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I know this is a crazy time dealing with all this especially the last minute updates, a ton of star players missing time, games being postponed, etc., but is anyone else actually really enjoying having to dig this deep? I mean I love basketball anyway and there's only like 3 people I know in real life that follow NBA as closely as I do, but I feel like this might all seem boring if we return to normal again next year :)
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| 122 | WG
ID: 89402220
Wed, Dec 22, 2021, 19:10
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It's definitely interesting trying to guess which no name that pops might have some sustainability to merit a pickup... but with the sheer amount of injuries/covid scratches, I'm finding it tough to cut most of my guys to take a shot on those no names. Maybe incorrect but I feel like most of them are too good to drop... I'm sure other teams feel the same way about their players. Even one more IL slot would probably go a long way for us all. Something to think about for the future, maybe, but in G20 Baseball we changed the settings to something like allowing any keeper to be IR'd; we could explore something similar here for our 6 keepers? Or simply add another IL slot or two at some point??
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| 123 | RecycledSpinalFluid
ID: 45103890
Thu, Dec 23, 2021, 03:18
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Oh, this is awesome. Just looked at my roster for today. 13 players (12 + IL). 6 listed as INJ, 2 listed as GTD and 1 listed as O. 4 healthy dudes. Thats just funny. Cruel funny, but funny.
I agree with skinneej. I think I've had the most fun when my team was bad and I was churning through players, looking for diamonds in the rough, or useful parts I could deal away.
Also agree with WG. I like my dudes more than I like the gamble of part timers. Even a dude like Jordan Nwora was a guy I had my eye on (no...not because he's a Buck...maybe not...) since his blowup game at the end of last season. I'm sure I'll cycle through dudes, but it's tough, if looking at "long term potential" for some of them. I'm taking tryouts for my 6th keeper...
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| 124 | ttucowboy
ID: 4311562422
Fri, Dec 24, 2021, 23:56
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If anyone feels bad about their current team’s situation, go look at BB the Ball’s Team. You won’t feel as bad after doing that.
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| 125 | Bean
ID: 304422310
Sat, Dec 25, 2021, 09:26
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Nuthin' like a observing a good train wreck. Sorry BB.
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| 126 | Perm Dude
ID: 561143715
Sun, Dec 26, 2021, 13:37
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For some teams, this is nuts.
NBA players currently in health and safety protocols.
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| 127 | Perm Dude
ID: 561143715
Tue, Dec 28, 2021, 09:18
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Greg Monroe is back--that's how bad it is.
Meanwhile, I literally LOL at this quote:
Monroe on Jaylen Nowell: 'Not Gonna Lie ... I Had No Idea Who That Was'
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| 128 | skinneej
Leader
ID: 040625911
Tue, Dec 28, 2021, 15:00
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Haha thats a great quote! Harkens back to the day when Greg Monroe was all the rage in the league and I think he was traded around a few times and expected to be a big star.
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| 129 | RecycledSpinalFluid
ID: 45103890
Thu, Dec 30, 2021, 11:14
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While its taken years ofr careful cultivation, but I've finally done it. I've formed...
The ULTIMATE BIG 3, HOLIDAY EDITION
May Justin, Jrue and Aaron continue on to world domination!
Well, at least as long as Aaron and Justin stick to my roster. I feel as though this glorious reign may not last too long...
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| 130 | RecycledSpinalFluid
ID: 45103890
Wed, Jan 05, 2022, 17:52
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At no point in my offseason/preseason did I predict I would start 28 year old rookie, Keifer Sykes. This is a weird ass season.
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| 131 | GO
ID: 19101309
Thu, Jan 06, 2022, 08:43
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One IL slot does seem woefully inadequate given the current situation. Would there be any support to add a 2nd one? Maybe we do it at the All Star Break?
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| 132 | RecycledSpinalFluid
ID: 45103890
Thu, Jan 06, 2022, 15:00
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I gotta say, if we had that "Keeper IL", that didn't require any manual manipulation (said in my best Bean voice), that would be a sweet add, in the land and times of Covid.
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| 133 | ttucowboy
ID: 230353018
Sun, Jan 30, 2022, 19:35
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Anyone able to explain how the Siakam/4 for Portis/Diablo/3 makes any sense? Either I’m going crazy (it’s possible) or this trade is terrible for PD. Someone’s simulation is glitching.
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| 134 | Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Sun, Jan 30, 2022, 22:34
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I'm perplexed as well
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| 135 | RecycledSpinalFluid
ID: 45103890
Sun, Jan 30, 2022, 23:54
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Frankly it's not as 1 sided as you might think. Siakim is better but not significantly. His advantage is huge minutes per game, which allows him to score more, but go stat for stat and there isn't a huge difference in the guys, outside name recognition. Siakim does kill him in assists, but shake your head and they are soclose otherwise. Portis gets hosed by Bud's small minutes plans, that and PF issues.
Do I make this trade? Ehhh....
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| 136 | RecycledSpinalFluid
ID: 45103890
Sun, Jan 30, 2022, 23:58
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Of course, Siakim is a foundational piece in TOR (until he's dealt), while Portis isn't.
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| 137 | GO
ID: 19101309
Mon, Jan 31, 2022, 10:59
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I can't believe no rebuilding squad has made a single offer for Ben Simmons at this point. A rebounding guard is a monster in this format.
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| 138 | WWCBD
ID: 27113920
Fri, Feb 04, 2022, 21:06
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Any way I can retroactively veto the Portis/Siakam trade? Jesus Christ.....
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| 139 | WWCBD
ID: 27113920
Fri, Feb 04, 2022, 21:12
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Just to be clear, I just want Siakam to calm the F down. CALM DOWN
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| 140 | RecycledSpinalFluid
ID: 45103890
Thu, Feb 10, 2022, 21:33
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I have no idea who 1/4 of my team plays for today. Harden, Dinwiddie, DiVincenzo and Bagley all moved somewhere.
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| 141 | Bean
ID: 304422310
Mon, Feb 21, 2022, 11:49
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CHRis pAUL....maybe I can still stay in the money, but my "CHR..AUL" to the top is over.
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| 142 | RecycledSpinalFluid
ID: 45103890
Tue, Feb 22, 2022, 18:27
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Took me about 5 times reading that to figure out what you were saying...now I think it's awesome.
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| 143 | GO
ID: 35231211
Wed, Mar 02, 2022, 12:31
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To WG's email... trade deadline tomorrow.
I'd still move some Ben Simmons for a keeper caliber player. Of course the price has gone up a bit since he was stuck in Philly... but considering I'm a Sixer fan and the hate the guy, maybe we can get it done... :)
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| 144 | WG
ID: 89402220
Wed, Mar 02, 2022, 14:08
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I'd move Kevin Porter (21yr) for an older PG with better 3s and percentages. Can throw in Chris Boucher (ranked 106 on the year thanks to our double rebound categories).
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| 145 | RecycledSpinalFluid
ID: 45103890
Wed, Mar 02, 2022, 23:50
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On a night where I have 4 double doubles, another with 29-9-9 and the last guy drops an interesting 7-5-4 with 4 steals...all that and I moved up...1 point. Sigh...
Thats way too many ellipses.
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| 146 | RecycledSpinalFluid
ID: 45103890
Wed, Mar 30, 2022, 15:46
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Looking at G League stuff this morning.
The OKC G-Leaguers should make a move for these guys:
Sharife Cooper
or
Diashen Nix
I know G League stats don't translate directly, but those are some serious young ballers.
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| 147 | RecycledSpinalFluid
ID: 45103890
Sun, Apr 10, 2022, 14:06
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I still think there's a chance I can catch 1st...
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| 148 | Bean
ID: 304422310
Sun, Apr 10, 2022, 14:55
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I like your denial... err... determination.
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| 149 | GO
ID: 35231211
Mon, Apr 11, 2022, 10:37
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Congrats to 2SJ!
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| 150 | Bean
ID: 304422310
Mon, Apr 11, 2022, 11:04
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Grats skineej
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| 151 | RecycledSpinalFluid
ID: 45103890
Mon, Apr 11, 2022, 12:30
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Congrats skinneej for kicking everyone's butts!
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| 152 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Mon, Apr 11, 2022, 15:27
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Prize pool awards:
Skinneej $95
WWCBD $55
WG $40
$RSF $30
Bean $20
Meatwads $15
I'll contact via email to arrange for payments (or leaving funds on account)
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| 153 | Skinneej
ID: 11931511
Wed, Apr 13, 2022, 03:05
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Thanks everyone! It’s been a challenging few months and last year even that at times was hard to keep up with how my team was doing every day. Maybe that’s why the results were so good - I would set my roster for a few days at a time and then check back after and didn’t tinker as much the second half. With working long hours for months on end and being sick a few weeks back, I was glad to have had enough of a cushion at the end to survive for my first title in either G24 Football or G20 Hoops.
Being an original member in both Gurupie leagues that started 20 years ago now, I certainly thought I would have won a title before this year. But I’ve managed to only make the super bowl twice in G24 Football and lost both times. After finishing 2nd in year 3 of G20 hoops (2004) I wouldn’t finish as high as 3rd again until two years ago (2019). I think I had a few 4-6 place finishes here and there along the way, but mostly have been middle of the pack trying to stay competitive most years. Just shows you how hard it is to win in these leagues, and all the managers that have dominated for years that I was jealous of the rosters they had built.
As every champ says, I’d love to run it back next year, but I know it will be difficult. I’ll do my best as inevitable injuries and team roster changes will naturally happen, but hope to be in competition late into the season again!
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| 155 | Bean
ID: 304422310
Thu, Apr 14, 2022, 11:52
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DEMERITS
GP DE Team
534 15 Weekend Over (R-Money)
643 02 PT's Pleasant Team (twolves)
646 02 GO Sixers
652 01 Spida (artofmonk)
STANDINGS
PL PTS TEAM
01 158.0 Skinnee J's
02 150.0 WWCBD
03 148.0 Wazaaap Guy
04 125.0 RSF - Fist Full of Rings
05 119.0 Bean's Buckeyes
06 109.5 Mighty Meatwads
07 109.0 Munson Mobsters
08 108.0 ttucowboy
09 107.0 GO Sixers
10 092.0 Philly Busters
11 088.0 Air Tosh
12 084.0 SANFORDORS
13 078.5 Spida
14 074.0 KnicksFan
15 065.0 Weekend Over
16 061.5 Roto Guru20
17 059.0 BB the Ball
18 056.0 Fred's Team
19 053.5 PT's Pleasant Team
20 045.0 youngroman's Luschen
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| 156 | Bean
ID: 304422310
Thu, Apr 14, 2022, 12:44
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PICK TRADES
# Date - Sends - Round - For - Round
1 2022-03-05 WG 5 WWCBD 6
2 2022-03-01 GO 2 BBtheBall 6
3 2022-02-01 SkinneeJ 3 PermDude 4 (from ttucowboy #7 below)
4 2022-01-13 WG 3 R-Money 6
5 2021-12-04 WWCBD 1 youngroman 6
6 2021-11-02 ttucowboy 2 PermDude 5
7 2021-10-18 ttucowboy 4 PermDude 6
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| 157 | GO
ID: 34025146
Fri, Apr 15, 2022, 10:19
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Hard to accept getting demerits when your team finishes in the top half of the league and top 5 in moves made.
Sounds like an inadequate system.
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| 158 | Bean
ID: 304422310
Fri, Apr 15, 2022, 11:22
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GO, Two draft positions too much for you to deal with?
Lots of whining about too many guys on IL culminating with <124>. Not sure what exactly stopped you from getting to Min GP, but others who were in dire straights managed to get there.
I definitely don't want to remove the demerit system. Without it, you get sandbagging through ignoring your team. Consider R-Money this year.
Tanking is still considered cheating in the real NFL and the real NBA in case nobody remembers. It's just hard to enforce and prove. Here at Rotoguru, the notion that tanking is not cheating, but a valid strategy is prevalent in keeper leagues of all sports.
Remove the guardrails we have in place, and you will have this kind of cheating, even if unintentional. You see it in every Rotoguru born league where roster rule mechanics don't restrict it somehow.
If we aren't going to have real parity, then lets quit pretending. We'd be better off with a random draft order with snaking rounds, rather than rewarding blatant cheating.
I am off my soap box now. Maybe we should consider another IL slot or another BN?
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| 159 | GO
ID: 34025146
Fri, Apr 15, 2022, 20:34
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Correct, I shouldn't be docked anything when I clearly made plenty of effort to participate. If we could somehow find a time spent staring at the Yahoo screen, I'd probably win that too.
And yes, one IL was certainly insufficient as I had it clogged with Ben Simmons all year. And then people would get CoVID and be out for 10 days or more as we saw in the posts above. 2 should be enough, i suspect we'll get there next year.. only used for keepers?... and COVID should hopefully be more and more in the rearview although I suspect it will spike each winter - and this is a winter sport afterall.
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| 160 | Bean
ID: 304422310
Fri, Apr 15, 2022, 20:51
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Well, the rule is the rule. Everyone knew the rule ahead of time, and everyone had the same constraints applied. You'll not get my sympathy, if that's what you're looking for.
Definitely not in favor of ANY self policed rules because inevitably someone will rat on a violator and the commish will have to deal with it. However, I will also not be burdened to enforce a rule that requires daily review of people's rosters. You guys vote a "keeper only" rule in, and I won't be your commish, plain and simple....someone else will need to step up.
GO, I think people have already moved on to baseball and may not be checking this thread anymore. If you want to suggest a rule change, make a point to do so during roll call next season. I am certain you'll get support, just not sure how much.
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