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Subject: Gurupie 20: 2022-23 Preseason Discussion
Posted by: Bean
- [12552510] Wed, Sep 14, 2022, 11:28
Constitution
I Site / Stat Source / League Fees
All game, roster and scoring rules will be governed by Yahoo. There is no fee for using Yahoo.
II Draft
The Supplemental Draft consists of a slow draft and held on the Draftime.com website. Time limits will be three hours for individual picks and 8 hours cumulative clock. You may draft until your picks run out or you have reached twelve (12) players. The clock will be stopped from midnight to 8 AM ET but picks may be made during that time. If you time out, you will be skipped and may select at any time. If you have been skipped and have not made up that pick and it becomes your turn again, you will be skipped for that pick as well. If you leave a Q and that person is available to post your pick, you will not be charged any time on your cumulative clock.
The draft order will be reverse of last year's regular season finish and it will NOT snake. Only players currently in the NBA database are eligible to be drafted. Waivers Priority will begin in the same order as the basic draft order (lottery excluded). Please note: The bottom 14 teams will be in the lottery similar to the actual NBA draft. Top three picks for next year will be selected via lottery. 4th-14th picks will be selected based on inverse order of standings.
III League Settings:
Draft Type: Offline Draft and E-mail draft
Max Teams: 20
Scoring Type: Rotisserie
Max Moves: No maximum
Max Trades: No maximum
Trade Review: League Votes (7 needed to veto)
Post Draft Players: Follow Waiver Rules
Max Games Played: 720 (enforced by position)
Roster Positions: G, G, F, F, C, Util, Util, Util, BN, BN, BN, BN, IL
Stat Categories: FG%, FT%, 3PTM, PTS, OREB, REB, AST, ST, BLK
IV Minimum Games Played / Penalties
A team must accumulate a minimum of 656 GP (82 GP/pos) over the course of a season. For each 8 games of shortfall (1 GP/pos), a team is assigned one demerit. Demerits will be integer values only. Thus, a team with 1-8 games of shortfall will receive one demerit, 9-16 will receive 2 demerits, etc.
If a team finishes in the money for prize pool purposes (ranked 1-6), then demerits will be ignored.
For lottery teams, the following penalties will be applied to every pick in the next year's supplement draft:
If a team accumulates more than 10 demerits, then it will be removed from the lottery and assigned the 14th pick in all rounds (i.e., behind all lottery teams, but ahead of any prize pool teams.)
For teams with less than 10 demerits, that team is pushed forward one place in the supplemental draft rankings for each demerit. For example, if a team finishes in last place (20th) and has 5 demerits, then that team will be treated in the draft rankings as though it finished in 15th place (and the teams actually finishing in places 16-20 will each move down one place.)
If more than one lottery team has a demerit, then the lottery rankings will be successively applied starting with the worst finisher and then moving up to the next worst finisher, etc.
Note: While the maximum number of games is measured on a GP/pos (enforced by the ESPN site), the minimum number of games is NOT. For minimum games, all measurements are based on total games played without regard for position.
V Trades
All trades during the season must be submitted via the website's offer trade feature to the league for review. If there is a draft pick it needs to be posted in our thread at rotoguru.com and needs to be confirmed by both parties. You might want to rationalize your trade as it takes just 7 members to reject the trade. You have one day to reject it so please check the site at LEAST once per day (many will have the email feature that emails all accepted trades). Remember with a Keeper league there may be draft picks involved so take the time to check those before rejecting it. Please only reject a trade based on the trade and not the teams involved. A trade by its very nature should help both teams either now, the future or both. All off-season/preseason trades will be governed by a commish.
VI Keepers
Returning owners will have a deadline to declare what players from their team they wish to keep. Each owner may keep up to 6.
You may keep less than six. You may trade keepers after you have declared, but you may not go over six until all 20 teams have officially declared at the Keeper deadline. At that point you may go up to 12 players.
If you keep less than six, the only way you can add a sixth keeper is via trade. You may not drop a player until after the draft is complete.
If you do not name your Keepers by the deadline, the commish(s) will choose those for you and they will be final. If you post your Keepers after the deadline but before the commish posts, your Keepers will be honored. Typically, the commish(s) will start figuring out uncommitted Keepers as soon as the deadline has passed.
All un-kept players will go into the draft. A player MUST be in the NBA database in order to be kept.
The only off-season transactions that will be allowed are trades. No free agents may be picked up after the end of the season. Trades of a player for a draft pick are allowed.
VII Prizes
A fine plaque will be engraved and shipped to the winner courtesy of the previous year's winner. The trophy will be yours to proudly display with your other cherished mementos for 1 year. It will be the winner's responsibility to engrave it and ship it to the winner. There will be an added nominal fee to help cover expenses related to the engraving and shipping of the plaque.
A separate cash prize pool has also been established. It is strictly voluntary. Only those who participate will be eligible for this prize. $15 USD entry must be paid by the season opener. The exact method of prize distribution will vary from year to year depending on participation. We focus payouts so it will NOT be winner take all. Six owners will have a chance to win something. Prize pool funds are due by Opening Night.
If any of the non-participants qualify, the prizes will be reallocated by the commissioners. Managers will move up payout position(s) and any remaining funds will go into the trophy fund.
Treasurer will announce payouts and non-participants.
VIII Owners
As commissioners, we reserve the right NOT to extend an invitation to or remove any owner for any reason. Primary reason for being excluded would be abusive behavior (beyond friendly trash talk, harassment), purposeful rules violations (i.e. colluding on a trade), inactivity (i.e. leaving injured players in as starters repeatedly), unresponsive to other owners or commish(s), missing deadlines (i.e. keepers, draft picks, etc.). If an owner is NOT invited back next year. A new owner will be recruited to take over the vacated team in its exact state.
IX 2022 Draft Pick Trades:
# Date - Sends - Round - For - Round
1 2022-03-05 WG 5 WWCBD 6
2 2022-03-01 GO 2 BBtheBall 6
3 2022-02-01 SkinneeJ 3 PermDude 4 (from ttucowboy #7 below)
4 2022-01-13 WG 3 R-Money 6
5 2021-12-04 WWCBD 1 youngroman 6
6 2021-11-02 ttucowboy 2 PermDude 5
7 2021-10-18 ttucowboy 4 PermDude 6
X League Champions:
2003 Peter N
2004 A Perfect 10
2005 Twarpy
2006 RecycledSpinalFluid
2007 beastiemiked
2008 beastiemiked
2009 Ref
2010 Pete N.
2011 Pacers Rule
2012 beastiemiked
2013 Great One
2014 WG
2015 Species
2016 Pete N.
2017 RecycledSpinalFluid
2018 RecycledSpinalFluid
2019 RecycledSpinalFluid
2020 RecycledSpinalFluid
2021 WG
2022 skinneej
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| 74 | Bean
ID: 12552510
Mon, Oct 10, 2022, 10:38
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Clock is on. Four hour limit. Daily pause is 12 am ET - 8 am ET.
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| 75 | artofmonk
ID: 407421813
Mon, Oct 10, 2022, 11:39
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Bean, thank you for keeping this league going. Draft is moving at a good pace.
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| 76 | Bean
ID: 12552510
Mon, Oct 10, 2022, 12:14
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I have my cattle prod at my side throughout Morgan. Seems to be working pretty good.
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| 77 | GO
ID: 288332716
Mon, Oct 10, 2022, 13:34
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So the things I meant to bring up and didn't have time from last year were... a second IL slot and the demerits.
So I suppose they could be for next year if people feel strongly. But I think the demerits could be immediate at least.
In G20 baseball if you finish in the $$$ demerits aren't applied so that seems fair.
Do we have that rule here? I also feel like something being Top 5 in moves made should make you exempt. Cause you are obviously trying.
And a second IL slot... currently we have one IL and it can be used for anything? maybe just making it keeper specific but having more of them would solve it.
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| 78 | GO
ID: 288332716
Mon, Oct 10, 2022, 13:37
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and to your point Bean, I know we don't want to monitor who is in the IL slots... we just have a gentlemen's agreement in baseball, and everyone just keeps an eye out and self-reports. I don't think a formal review of the slots need to be conducted. Hasn't been an issue yet.
Or we just keep it wide open IL for whatever player you want... but I think even in that several noted maybe we need a second slot with the way injuries have gone lately (and illness).
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| 79 | Bean
ID: 12552510
Mon, Oct 10, 2022, 14:27
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GO, You know how I feel about self policing and "keeper" only rules.
Sometime back you agreed to be the keeper of the constitution. I'll leave it to you to get folks to talk about this, and, if you get enough who have thoughts on it, put it to a vote.
So, you are in the drivers seat, have at it.
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| 80 | GO
ID: 288332716
Mon, Oct 10, 2022, 14:48
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I fully agree we don't want to be monitoring anything for violations.
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| 81 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Mon, Oct 10, 2022, 15:33
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From the Treasurer:
(also sent via email to all managers via Yahoo)
Prize pool dues for the coming season are $15. There is no assessment for a trophy fund again this year, as that continues to be amply funded.
As background, we have an optional prize pool. All participating managers contribute $15 at the start of the season, and the pool is distributed at the end to the top six finishers. The actual award amounts are subject to the total amount in the pool, but generally range from about $90-$100 to the winner down to $15 for the #6 team.
New managers do not need to opt into the pool in their first year. But by the second year, they must decide to be in or out. Once you opt in, you must remain in the pool each year to continue in the pool. If you should ever opt out after the first year, then you can never opt back in.
Three managers have opted out: Perm Dude, BB the Ball, and ArtofMonk.
Eight managers have sufficient funds on account to cover the dues for 2022:
Bean, RSF, GO, Tosh, Meatwad, WWCBD, WG, and Skinneej.
Everyone else owes $15, according to my records. If you think I have missed any funds on account for you, please let me know.
Payments can be sent in any of the following ways:
1. Paypal: please send to davehall@rotoguru.net. (note: this is not my usual email address.) Designate this as “send money to friends and family”, and mark the payment only as "G20 hoops". Do not say "prize" or "pool". Those words are red flags for Paypal.
2. Snail mail: check can be sent to the address listed at the bottom of this page:
http://rotoguru2.com/gurupatron-info.html
3. I can also accept payment via Venmo. If this is your preference, let me know
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| 82 | RecycledSpinalFluid
ID: 379401317
Thu, Oct 13, 2022, 18:40
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WWCBD - Duff starting the Wembanyama tanking HARD!
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| 83 | WWCBD - Duff
ID: 37841411
Thu, Oct 13, 2022, 22:57
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You know it!
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| 84 | artofmonk
ID: 407421813
Fri, Oct 14x, 2022, 13:40
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the draft moved well, but it is still very hard to improve your team. I feel I am going to be stuck in the bottom half again. I wouldn't mind a 2nd IL spot as well. I like the demerit system. Best of luck
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| 85 | GO
ID: 288332716
Fri, Oct 14x, 2022, 13:57
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Vote for 2023
1 - Extra IL slot added -- with no restrictions on who can be in it? YES/NO
I see above we already waive demerits for teams in the money.
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| 86 | WWCBD - Duff
ID: 37841411
Fri, Oct 14x, 2022, 14:12
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I'm good with a second IL spot.
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| 87 | artofmonk
ID: 407421813
Fri, Oct 14x, 2022, 14:25
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2nd IL spot
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| 88 | Philly Busters
ID: 311122313
Fri, Oct 14x, 2022, 14:43
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yes on 2nd IL slot
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| 89 | WG
ID: 89402220
Fri, Oct 14x, 2022, 14:56
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Yes.
Clarification sought, is the current IL for all or only keepers (like G20 baseball). Thought the former but since GO raised it for the second IL, thought I'd ask.
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| 90 | GO
ID: 288332716
Fri, Oct 14x, 2022, 15:57
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No restrictions... anyone who is IL eligible per Yahoo guidelines.
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| 91 | Skinneej
ID: 199141415
Fri, Oct 14x, 2022, 16:14
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Prefer to keep 1 IL spot with no restrictions. Keep it simple, no need to monitor or deal with keeper restrictions
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| 92 | Bean
ID: 12552510
Fri, Oct 14x, 2022, 16:22
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Draft is done, your players are loaded to your teams. All undrafted are now on waivers, and the waiver priority has been set.
If you see any errors, let me know ASAP.
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| 93 | Bean
ID: 12552510
Fri, Oct 14x, 2022, 16:47
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Meatwads is looking to find someone to take over his team. He'll manage the team until we find a replacement.
If you know someone who might be interested, please let me know. Simplest thing is to have him/her send me an e-mail mentioning you as a referral. beancline@comcast.net or the blue link.
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| 94 | Tosh
Dude
ID: 057721710
Fri, Oct 14x, 2022, 17:29
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yes on 2nd IL slot
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| 95 | Perm Dude
ID: 71111821
Fri, Oct 14x, 2022, 18:38
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I vote *No* on second IL slot.
Normally I like that but this is a large league and adding a second slot weakens the FA pool even more.
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| 96 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Fri, Oct 14x, 2022, 21:26
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I am fine with adding a second IL lot.
While I understand PD's concern in [95], we have had a number of teams with multiple players on IL, making it difficult to achieve GP targets. I don't think adding one extra IL slot weakens the pool that substantially.
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| 97 | Bean
ID: 12552510
Fri, Oct 14x, 2022, 21:51
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I vote yes on 2 IL.
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| 98 | RecycledSpinalFluid
ID: 45103890
Sat, Oct 15, 2022, 01:27
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<84> artofmonk: I agree. Having gone from the top to the bottom back to the top, it's a slow process (frankly I enjoyed it, but I may be demented, and flat-out lucky to hit on Giannis.). I think the only way to get around it would be to drastically reduce keepers. 4...3...??? 3 might be too drastic. Someone shouldn't be penalized because they dig up nuggets. Maybe also have a "young keeper" where they are 3rd year or less? Dunno. Spit balling. I know we've tossed this stuff out there before.
As for 2nd IL. I'm no. Way too thin a FA market as is. Takes the fun of mining for scrubs, if the scrubs are already taken.
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| 99 | ttucowboy
ID: 21933157
Sat, Oct 15, 2022, 08:33
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No to 2nd IL slot since it wouldn’t be keeper specific.
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| 100 | bb The Ball
ID: 598491420
Sat, Oct 15, 2022, 16:56
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No on the 2nd IL slot for me-- thanks and good luck all!!
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| 101 | Fosten
ID: 129491521
Sat, Oct 15, 2022, 22:49
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Yes on the second IL spot
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| 102 | Bean
ID: 12552510
Sun, Oct 16, 2022, 18:25
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Meatwads team going to Tree
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| 103 | RecycledSpinalFluid
ID: 45103890
Sun, Oct 16, 2022, 19:52
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Tree paying the $4,000,000,000 franchise (reentry) fee?
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| 104 | Tree
ID: 4741579
Sun, Oct 16, 2022, 19:56
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happy to be here! thanks for having me.
Also, i was told some dude....RSF or something....was paying that 4 billion dollar fee..so lemme know, and i'll get him my routing number.
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| 105 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Mon, Oct 17, 2022, 10:31
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Tree - see post 81 regarding the prize pool in this league. It works similarly to the one in G20 Baseball.
As new league member, you have two options for this season:
1) Pay $15 and join the pool this year, or
2) Skip this year, and defer your option to join the pool until next year.
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| 106 | Bean
ID: 12552510
Mon, Oct 17, 2022, 10:44
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Heads up,
WG let me know that I did the waiver priority wrong. I put them in exactly the reverse order that I should have.
Its fixed now, but Tosh won Okoro through waivers. If you also bid for Okoro, let me know, and I will see if you would have won the bid and fix it. You'll need to let me know who you would drop. You have two days. Meanwhile, I am leaving Okoro on his roster.
Sorry bout this.
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| 107 | GO
ID: 288332716
Mon, Oct 17, 2022, 10:49
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That is an easy one to miss, done it before myself on these offline manual drafts.
Thank you for all the hard work Bean and to the league (WG in this instance) as a whole for helping keep an eye out for these things.
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| 108 | Bean
ID: 12552510
Mon, Oct 17, 2022, 11:01
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Update,
WG told me that the Waiver Offers tab under Recent Transactions would have had an entry if the claim on Okoro had been challenged. I looked at one of my baseball teams, and it seems to work as he describes.
There was no entry in G20 Hoops Waiver Offers. Therefore, it would seem that Tosh's waiver claim was unchallenged.
I'm thinking we need to get WG to commish next year.
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| 109 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Mon, Oct 17, 2022, 19:09
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[81] I'm still awaiting $15 prize pool payments from:
KnicksFan
twolves
R-Money Weekend Over
Payment is due by the start of the season (i.e., tomorrow). If you have a check in the mail, please let me know.
Guru
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| 110 | KnicksFan
ID: 23926189
Tue, Oct 18, 2022, 10:26
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Payment sent to Guru
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| 111 | KnicksFan
ID: 23926189
Tue, Oct 18, 2022, 10:28
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Yes on 2 IL
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| 112 | GO
ID: 288332716
Tue, Oct 18, 2022, 15:40
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Summary so far...
9 YES to a second IL slot next season
3 NO to a second IL slot next season
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| 113 | skinneej
ID: 73141110
Tue, Oct 18, 2022, 17:13
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I was a NO on 91 on 2nd IL, and then I count 4 more (95, 98-100) so think it is 9 YES and 5 NO currently (assuming 87 is a YES since it was not clarified).
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| 114 | youngroman
ID: 515013
Tue, Oct 18, 2022, 17:14
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no to 2nd IL slot
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| 115 | GO
ID: 288332716
Tue, Oct 18, 2022, 17:27
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Adding me in as a Yes to 2nd slot... its 10 YES, 5 NO
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| 116 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Tue, Oct 18, 2022, 23:28
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[109] All prize pool dues have now been received. Let the games begin!
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| 117 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Thu, Oct 20, 2022, 11:54
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I wonder if dropping from 1st to 19th place in one day is a record free-fall?
Admittedly, my first place standing after the first day was solely due to having more GP that day than anyone else.
Still, it was fun to be on top of the standings for a day - even though I'll never be there again all season.
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| 118 | RecycledSpinalFluid
ID: 45103890
Fri, Oct 21, 2022, 02:17
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Woah woah woah...pump the brakes. No need to declare me the champion already.
Wait, that's just me talking aloud.
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| 119 | Bean
ID: 12552510
Fri, Oct 21, 2022, 13:46
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<115> Doesn't seem to be anything in the Constitution, but I would think simple majority, or 11 YES votes would be required to pass this.
Have you reached out to the 5 owners who have not voted yet?
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| 120 | R-Money
ID: 32122023
Fri, Oct 21, 2022, 14:52
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Yes Second IL spot.
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| 121 | artofmonk
ID: 59222410
Mon, Oct 24, 2022, 11:22
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yes to the 2nd IL spot
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| 122 | GO
ID: 288332716
Mon, Oct 24, 2022, 11:25
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That puts us up to 12, so i'd say that about does it.
2023 we'll add a 2nd IL slot
Now I need a way to remember to add the damn thing lol...
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| 123 | Bean
ID: 12552510
Mon, Oct 24, 2022, 13:36
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This thread is now closed. Please move your conversations to the Regular Season thread now.
You'll note I have edited the Constitution in that thread. Specifically paragraphs III and IX, reflecting the increase in IL slots for next year, and the pick trades for year respectively.
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