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Subject: More inexcusable smallworld behavior (a must read) Posted by: d/j-smooth - [17141420] Mon, Apr 24, 13:07 Here is my most recent interaction with Smallworld. First is my email to them, then comes their response. -----Original Message----- From: Jon Migdal [mailto:jomigdal@vassar.edu] Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2000 3:06 AM To: prattien@smallworld.com Subject: cnn/si Dear Mr. Rattien, My name is Jonathan Migdal and I am the manager of the CNN/SI Small World hoops team that you have listed as finishing in second place, "j-smooth." I have been an avid player for over 3 years now and could definitely be considered a Small World junkie. I am rather dismayed by the final standings of the game. Going into the last day of stats I was ahead by 27 points (33730 to 33703). On the last day I was outscored by 12 points yet I find myself in second. Could you please review the numbers as I believe there has been some sort of miscalculation. I hope for an explanation of the matter and look forward to hearing from you. Thanks for your time. sincerely, Jonathan Migdal Their reply: Dear Jonathan, Thank you for writing us regarding the points for the championship of the CNN/SI Hoops game. On the morning of March 21, the manager of the KB8ers contacted the Member Services Department to advise that his attempts to trade L. Odom for Chris Webber were unsuccessful. At this time, my attempts to process this trade for the member were also unsuccessful. During this time, I informed our game Manager, Mr. Rattien of the situation. We advised the manager that we would guarantee that Chris Webber would be added to this roster even if we had to manually add the points back onto the roster. These situations are extremely rare and when points need to be added back to a players roster our Technology Department needs to do this manually. Unfortunately, several attempts to add these points into the KB8ers roster were unsuccessful and these points needed to be added back into the roster at the conclusion of the season. We apologize for any miscommunication or inconvenience this may have caused you. "CNNSI GM 39 SWP 3/21/00 3/22/00 This manager contacted Member Services at 9:00 a.m. on the 3/21 and advised us that CNN SI was down he requested the trade of L. Odem for Chris Webber. My attempts to process this trade have also failed. We owe this team 39 SWP. KB8ers" Sincerely, The Commish -So..when did they decide to finally add KB's points? After the season was over. After KB and I had battled down the stretch thinking that I had an extra 39 points more than he did. My entire trading strategy revolved arround the fact that I was in the lead. Surely I would have reacted differently to KB's moves if I thought I was behind. I can't believe that they think this is a valid explanation. Why did it take them a month to add the points? Why do I continue to waste my time with this company and their games? At least the winner is KB8ers, an upstanding and very helpful Gurupie. Still, I am outraged. I'd like to know what others think about this. Clearly I am unable to think about this objectively, but I think this behavior is ludicrous. | ||||||
| 1 | Guru ID: 330592710 Mon, Apr 24, 13:13 |
Definitely sucks. You have every right to be outraged. | |||||
| 2 | allhair allstars ID: 593142412 Mon, Apr 24, 13:37 |
This is incredible. I understand their description of the events but I don't understand the time delay. SW's mishandling of the situation is typical, yet inexcusable. I think you have every right to demand something more than the standard apology line in compensation for your "inconvenience." I'm not sure what that compensation would/could be, but I truly hope that just this once, SW shows some accountability and at the very least acknowledges their mistake by making the right move.
I certainly understand your outrage. It's unfortunate that KB8ers is involved because it limits me from offering wilder, more inflammatory statements! | |||||
| 4 | KB8ers GM ID: 590592819 Mon, Apr 24, 14:36 | d/j-smooth - Your points are valid and I'm sincerely sorry for how things were handled by SW/CNN towards the end of the season. If my points were correctly given to me earlier, then this would have never been an issue. There were several days when I would get the 39 points, only to have it taken away the next day. It was frustrating for me to see this happen as I would constantly call them to get it right, well in advance of the final days. It was a constant battle I had to endure with them since the last thing I wanted was to affect any team's strategies. Believe me, had I known my points would be finally resoved when the season ended, I would have posted that info, but the back and forth uncertainess of those points prevented me from doing so. Please don't think there was any deception done on my part as I agree with you thats its ludicrous it took them so long. | |||||
| 5 | Mike D ID: 193192415 Mon, Apr 24, 15:47 |
To lose the entire "world" championship on the last day---or even after the last day---in a manner like this, seems impossible to put into words. No one likes to lose behind the scenes. Any real player wants to lose it on the court, field, etc.. This reminds me of certain schools losing out on the football national title, again, behind the scenes, not on the field. If smooth gets passed on the last day, legitimately, he loses, and deservedly so.
I seriously doubt I could ever play SW/CNN etc. again if this happened to me. As it is, I'm hesitant. I'm one of the first around these parts to say "It's only a game" when people get frustrated by SW. I was one to say that even last year during the horrible baseball debacles. I can say it now, and mean it, but only because I was #21, not #1. I'd be disappointed to be screwed out of #20, but it wouldn't be that big a deal in the scope of things (no Species, I can't claim that here, you were definitely the true #20!). But to lose the top ranking....wow. As has been posted above by allhair and smooth, and has been made more obvious by KB8ers' post, this was not an underhanded attempt by the 2nd ranked player to win the title; rather, "another SW screw up." The problem is, there are more to come. How can they not realize the magnitude of their mistake? First, their lack of effort in fixing this, and second, having it decide the winner in their game? Sorry for the ramble. I get irritated when SW tries to pass the buck, and not take responsibility for their actions. If they take responsibility, I'd be shocked. It would mean some sort of consolation prize to smooth, some sort of co-winner. I doubt it will occur. But I've been wrong before. I should have just referred to post #1 and said I agree with Guru. Would have been shorter. | |||||
| 6 | Species ID: 714729 Mon, Apr 24, 16:00 |
Wow. This is a pretty fu**ed up situation for all involved. j/smooth can't win either way, and neither can KB. For what it's worth, I can confirm KB's inability to transact his trade that day, as well as his informing SW of that fact and SW confirming he'd get the points. WaB and I snickered that he'd never see those points, and the way it turned out is even worse than the initial screw up. j/smooth, I can't blame you a bit, but did you REALLY want to go to Rockerville to see the TNT Studios?!?!? The All-Star game was MUCH better! No, I didn't think that would make you feel any better, either..... MikeD - I didn't realize it was YOU behind me! But remember, move us up 5 spots 'cuz Wagon had 2 extra teams, KB 2 and D. Dawkins 1, so only 14 **managers** beat us (15 for you)! I'm number 15! I'm number 15! ;-) | |||||
| 7 | J ID: 470183114 Mon, Apr 24, 16:24 |
I know in hockey they emailed the 1st and 2nd place (maybe more?) teams a week before the season was up asking how they could be contacted should they win. Now, here's what I'm getting at....
Did they contact you guys??? You'd think they might have at least been able to mention the fact that the standings were off by 39. That really does suck for both of you. I'm sure KB would've wanted to win by more than those 39 points to make it irrelevant anyways. Guru said it best! | |||||
| 8 | Pistol Pete ID: 24055298 Mon, Apr 24, 17:36 | CNN was down for over 15 hours during that stretch, I remember it well. I also remember being rewarded for my persistence in trying to contact "member services" with zilch...well, maybe a deaf ear. I don't know about anyone else but my attemps to trade Odom for the 3/21 roster freeze were unsucessful before the site being "repaired", and "member services" did me no service at all afterwards. Something should have done been about this immediately after the site access debacle occured and a notice should have been posted for ALL managers to see when they log in explaining SW's response to the problem. ALL managers (not just the #1 and #2 WWR managers, or the manager at WWR 8000+ ,or even me at WWR #97) should have been notified of the opportunity to have trades made by SW in the event of site access problem. Some kind of attempt to communicate the problem and their solution for it at the time would have saved this from happening. But I don't see that any "attempt" was made by SW. I share in your rage d/j-smooth. | |||||
| 9 | What about Bob ID: 71432816 Mon, Apr 24, 19:03 |
I think I have a solution. I believe "EVERYONE'S" best interest would be served if Smallworld awarded the title of "CO-WINNERS"(a tie), and pay 2- 1st place prizes. Although this actually does nothing in solving the UNDERLYING problem, it does some good in alleviating the sour taste we all have as a result of this screwup. After all you can't put any blame on KB for wanting and deserving his points, nor can you fault d/j smooth for feeling outraged and cheated. Don't get me wrong or misunderstand what I am saying, I am NOT saying this is a perfect solution, rather I think it is the most fair to those involved, and perhaps for a very small % of us(myself NOT included), restores a little bit of faith in SW. To the employees of SW: I know you read these boards daily and "listen" with an ear to the ground. Well, HEAR THIS!! You guys are guilty of making a tremendous error, that shows a serious lack of judgment on your part in every possible way. #1, you should have corrected or NOT corrected the points error IMMEDIATELY for the above mentioned manager. #2, you should have let the Top 10 managers know of your mistake-VERY EARLY ON, so they could make adjustments in their strategy. #3-The delay in awarding those points IS TOTALLY UNFORGIVABLE!!! Can You imagine if Dave Hall(rotoguru.com) did not have THIS message forum??? None of us would have had any idea what had happened and thought you had DELIBRATELY FIXED the contest. You SW are very fortunate indeed, that we know the true story and believe no underhandedness on your part took place. I'm sure you'll be sending Dave a Thank You letter(joke). The only thing you(SW) can do now, is award 2 1st place prizes, and "fix" the points so the FINAL results show a tie in the standings. C'mon guys do the right thing here!!! | |||||
| 10 | Mike D ID: 45320237 Mon, Apr 24, 19:36 | I can just see Moderator Lou's response to this thread: There was no points error. There was no problem for KB8ers trading Odom for Webber. Some managers are just trading strangely. | |||||
| 12 | Big Papa ID: 46352311 Mon, Apr 24, 19:54 |
WaB - I was thinking the same exact thing before I read your post....Awarding first place to both would be the only "fair" thing to do in my mind.
My take on this is that it is a completely unfair and mishandled situation. First off, I don't think it's fair that anyone should be awarded any points for a trade they could not make because of the screw ups. That is not fair to everyone else who couldn't make a trade and didn't email SW to complain and didn't get any points for guys they never bought. Everyone had that problem, not only the people that emailed SW. The only "fair" situation I see is to screw everyone, not just the people who didn't email to complain. KB8ers, I have absolutely nothing against you and you're a great roto player, but I believe SW changed your points simply because you were in the top 10, one of their "best customers". If you were 45,000 WWR I doubt they would have even emailed you back. I believe this is a case of "The Customer Is Always Right, always try to please the customers." | |||||
| 13 | Guru ID: 330592710 Mon, Apr 24, 20:49 |
I also agree that SW should not have made any "back door" trades for KB8er, as we all know that they generally don't even respond to email requests of this nature. There are a lot of aspects to this story that leave a very bad taste... | |||||
| 14 | steve houpt ID: 11017290 Tue, Apr 25, 02:44 |
They should have never promised the points in the first place when apparently others didn't get special trade treatment when servers were down. They didn't even bother to make the roster moves page "correct" for the points. An audit would never indicate the points as valid for 3/21. Webber shows after the freeze on 3/21. The way they handled everything for everyone all season just sucks. But this takes the cake. Commish picks winner based on promise made during phone call with winner. | |||||
| 15 | JCred ID: 852443-4 Tue, Apr 25, 03:54 |
Wow, it's amazing to see and hear about the work it takes to become #1...or #2 for that matter. My advice is during the months leading up to next years reg. season we let SM and the "Commish" know what went wrong, what went right, and what they could add to improve on the past seasons' game. I've had failed attempts to contact admin. before This time we should speak on behalf of anyone else out there who doesnt read msg boards and maybe doesnt know what had gone on behind the scenes.. Let SmallWorld know the glitches and downed servers can and should be fixed for good. | |||||
| 16 | NBN ID: 323432119 Tue, Apr 25, 04:19 | Not that It'll help this situation. But why doesn't SW have an option where you can email your trades in. You'd have an email time stamp, it would solve the problem with down servers. Of course it would be posted as a New feature for next year (When the servers are up). Basically they could process all the email (especially when the servers are down), and get all the trades in, before they start processing points. | |||||
| 17 | Baldwin ID: 54049316 Tue, Apr 25, 05:15 |
I had my doubts seeing someone put 'must read' on a thread title but boy is it ever MUST READ!
This reminds me of problems I have had with credit cards. As often as I have gotten charges knocked off my bill the hard coding I presume puts the damn charges back on. Were talking six hundred dollars of bogus charges. It's been many years...the problem was never resolved. So my take on it is that their game is so hardcoded that they cannot manually make the correction they promised KB8er. [true I'm computer illiterate so take it FWIW] Both KB8er AND d/j-smooth had a month where no strategy could have been sound with certainty. Smallworld - What more extreme example do you need to push you to make the basic changes to the games structure needed? It is no longer preseason. Hire someone who can get the job done. Those profits you are preserving by not making the needed changes will evaporate when the free market corrects you right out of existance. Do you doubt that there is enuff talent right here at this site to put the game together that you have had years to perfect? Guru - I salute you in your not biting the hand that feeds you up to now. Someday you may decide the bank of goodwill between you and Smallworld has been overdrawn. I will respect whatever you decide in that matter. As a matter of reference last year Sandlot had my teams performance updated by 2:30 AM most days last year. There were no errors in scoring that I detected. To top it off Sandlot's format was far more complex and sophisticated so their performance was all the more amazing. This year they have NOT been getting updates quite so early every day but they are trending in that direction. Now I'm not shilling for Sandlot. They don't allow you to compete against the entire universe of Sandlot competitors. Someone will perfect Smallworlds format. I'm just not so sure it will be Smallworld anymore. | |||||
| 18 | KB8ers GM ID: 590592819 Tue, Apr 25, 09:38 | d/j-smooth - Can I get your email address? | |||||
| 19 | rockafellerskank ID: 20121112 Tue, Apr 25, 09:46 |
Kb8ers- it is in thread# 1 in his original e-mail to SW. ;)
rfs | |||||
| 20 | walk ID: 13051316 Tue, Apr 25, 13:54 |
This is truly unbelievable. What poor technical skills to only be able to solve this issue at the very end of the season; what poor accountability in not also offering d/j smooth a co-first prize; what poor consistency in that they rarely make such adjustments to others who suffer from smallworld's tech-difficulties during the course of the season; and finally, what poor communications that they did not warn d/j smooth and other contenders, via email, that he might need to be aware of this point discrepancy. WaB you said it best. d/j smooth, from a non-smallworld hoops player, but avid football, hockey and baseball smallworld player, I am sorry you went through this. Congrat's to both KBers GM and d/j smooth for their fantastic finishes. - walk | |||||
| 21 | Ender ID: 42335613 Tue, Apr 25, 15:32 |
Maybe I missed something, but wouldn't there be more implications than just the 39 pts? Was that Webber's points for that day? How long would he have remained on the roster? What other moves were subsequently affected due to the fact that he still had Odom? Was there also $$$ lost that would have opened other possibilities?
I am not trying open a bigger can of worms, or even pour salt in a gaping wound, but it seems as though giving KB8ers 39 more points is a ridiculous solution to the problem at face value, nevermind the the fact that it decided the contest. What if KB finished in second by one pt, I would think he should be upset at the pathetic solution to his problem. I don't mean to say this is greater than the problem at hand. They have certainly given both of these fine gurupies the shaft. | |||||
| 22 | HuskerFan ID: 38058294 Tue, Apr 25, 15:46 | Ender--my understanding is that they made the trade from Odom to Webber for him, and assured him Webber's points for that night. The trade was still made, so Webber was on his roster after that day as if he had made the trade himself. | |||||
| 23 | Ender ID: 42335613 Tue, Apr 25, 15:49 |
That makes sense. I must have missed that above.
Doesn't really help much, but clarifies things for me. Thanks. | |||||
| 24 | Pond Scum ID: 4601296 Tue, Apr 25, 17:08 |
Small World is run by small minds. They are not customer-oriented as proven by countless examples of being unresponsive to individuals who have valid complaints. In the business world, the way you resolve a complaint can actually create customers for life (if done well), or create people who leave the experience with magnified bitterness. I have been one of these victims and will pass on negative references whenever asked. Our recourse is to leave. I am not participating in the hoop playoffs because of how casually I was treated after being screwed a few weeks ago. I am partly invested in baseball which I will continue for now, but I am eager for alternatives in subsequent seasons. If we hold corporations like SW accountable as a group of consumers, they will either reform or go out of business. Either way, it would have been better for them to treat us with respect in the first place.
d/j smooth and KB8ers were awesome this season and I know have the respect of everyone who views these boards. They are both great winners in my book. | |||||
| 25 | Baldwin ID: 54049316 Tue, Apr 25, 17:40 | They won my respect a well before season's end. They're both number one in my book. Who cares how SW ranks 'em [besides the screwees of course] | |||||
| 26 | Patjams ID: 343392110 Tue, Apr 25, 17:58 | Baldwin, there is a little matter of a Grand Prize to be considered. (Not to mention ethics.) If what SW says happens is true, then they should at least give d/j-smooth some sort of consolation prize. (And no I'm not talking about a lousy T-Shirt for any of you SW employees out there.) | |||||
| 27 | deepsnapper ID: 222191416 Tue, Apr 25, 18:01 |
d/j smooth, truely unbelieveable. I wish I'd know it earlier and I'd have moved my Lewisville team out of the citykids division and you and KB8ers GM could have fought it out. Guru & KB8erz GM battled in the CNNSI Rotogurupies division and the Guru won. I hope you both are awarded the grand prize, but considering Small World's track record in the past, I doubt this will occur. Has anyone contacted CNNSI to get their take on this? I agree with steve houpt's post #14. This would never pass an audit. I would think CNNSI would have some type of liability since they are providing the prize(s) and the name branding on the game. | |||||
| 28 | Madman ID: 21222614 Tue, Apr 25, 20:10 |
I empathize, D/J-Smooth. I assume that you had not had previous exposure to the Smallworld modus-operandi. On July 18, 1999, SW attempted to execute trades for a manager in SW Baseball under very similar circumstances. They bungled that attempt, too. Fortunately for everyone involved with the end championship in baseball in 1999, the team involved was only ranked in top few hundred, and the trade issue didn't affect the outcome of the game. I terminated my relationship with Smallworld in early August, 1999, partly because I was deeply disturbed by their ethics. In addition to the above story, they had also shorted several teams hundreds of points because of miscalculations; if they acknowledged this fact, they only promised to correct the issue prior to the awarding of the actual championships. To my knowledge, my (essentially defunct) team was never awarded those particular points. And this is not to mention the efforts that we had to go through to prove to them that somebody had manually altered their prices during one of their previous repricings. One of the first rules of business is that you should make sure that you deal with people with morals and principles. Unfortunately, I guess you learned this lesson the hard way. Best of luck in your future endeavors. | |||||
| 29 | jb ID: 24152259 Tue, Apr 25, 20:42 | What is the Grand Prize anyway? | |||||
| 30 | Timing ID: 40229280 Tue, Apr 25, 20:50 | Who'd think a company who runs a game played by thousands would allow a preferential allowance to a player and then screw up the execution of that allowance so badly as to tarnish the integrity of their entire business. Amazing. | |||||
| 31 | Mike D ID: 193192415 Wed, Apr 26, 06:22 | NBA Finals, jb. Fairly significant screw up, eh? | |||||
| 32 | Edgar ID: 39033293 Wed, Apr 26, 06:44 |
My best solution would be to both give them the trip. SW messed up so SW has to make up. Right? KB8ers and J/D-Smooth played a tough battle all year long and don't deserve this treatment. Specially not with the prize being as big as it is. Maybe KB8ers will invite J/D to come with him since the trip is for two persons ;-) Edgar | |||||
| 33 | Penult - Away ID: 29349267 Wed, Apr 26, 08:11 |
Typical Smellworld Bullsh*t.
They may run the game but, they have no clue as to what it takes to manage and win fairly and squarely. They owe us all a public apology and they also need to award *TWO* Grand Prizes *NOW*! As a final thought they should also pray to their respective "Gods" that nobody ever treats one of their loved ones in a similar manner. | |||||
| 34 | skinneej ID: 3051316 Wed, Apr 26, 11:50 |
A couple years ago in hoops I e-mailed SW with a similar problem when their server was down. Their response was that everyone had the same problems, and they could not make trades for us and pre-date them. Of course back then I was nowhere near the top of the standings, so maybe they figured why bother. Anyway, now I believe there is no shred of integrity in their games whatsoever. How many other underhanded acts have they committed. We catch many of them, but we can't police every team and every transaction out there. I wonder where my team really finished in Hoops. The team page says 205, but should that come with a plus/minus 50. Did other teams around me get additional points? Did I get all the points I should have got? Did I get too many? With all the double and quadruple point days that had to be fixed, I wouldn't doubt if the final standings are just a joke. As far as KB and d/j-smooth, they both got shafted. They are both great managers and respected here on the boards, but part of winning is knowing you did it fairly and honestly. I don't think that they should have made the trade for KB. No matter where a team is in the rankings, no exceptions should be made. "Can't get in? Tough, no one else could either." That's been their policy in the past. But it is more than just the 39 points as Ender was alluding too. Every trade after the Odom-Webber trade was affected $$$wise and point-wise. You could take the 39 points away and award smooth the title, but that would not solve the problem either. KB may have made a better series of moves if he had to keep Odom. We will never know. Correct point totals is key down the stretch becuase it changes the way you make moves. The only proper recourse now is to declare them co-champs and give them 2 separate grand prizes. | |||||
| 35 | Motley Crue ID: 4633167 Tue, Apr 24, 07:39 | How did this situation eventually shake out? | |||||
| 36 | Species Donor ID: 492332715 Tue, Apr 24, 09:51 |
MC - KB was DQ'd based upon a technicality having to do with a relative working for some BS sort-of related company. Kind of a brothers-sisters-cousins-stepdaughters former roommate kind of thing. Pretty weak. d/j smooth ended up getting the prize and flying to Atlanta to waive into the camera during a TNT halftime show during the playoffs. Then he got a job at SW....I don't know if he's been whacked yet or not. | |||||
| 37 | Motley Crue Donor ID: 4633167 Tue, Apr 24, 10:03 | Wow! TV movie in the making! | |||||
| 38 | KnicksFan Donor ID: 131102221 Tue, Apr 24, 17:19 | I was reading all of this thikning "how could this happen 2 seasons in a row?" then i realized that it didn't. oh well, back to playing with that ball of yarn... | |||||
| 40 | The Left Wings ID: 2131321 Wed, Apr 25, 02:07 |
Although it is a very unfortunate incident, but I can't help but wonder the reason behind all this. Why did you not try to do your best in terms of SWP? Why would your strategy depend on the guy behind you? Are you trying to create some sort of drama for the last day of the season because from the way you said it, you could have had a larger lead if you want to. | |||||
| 41 | IRRIDUCIBILI LAZIO ID: 1220129 Thu, Apr 26, 10:44 | Well, i'm not an expert, since it's the first year for me playing sw, but i think that leading the "race" you must try to have the maximum similiar roster to your opponent's one, trying to don't differentiate too much your production from his one, while if you're second is exactly the opposite because you've to differentiate from the first.....it's a personal strategy, but i think that with such a big prize nobody wanted to risk too much, expecially who was leading....so i understand his delusion. | |||||
| 42 | devils1 ID: 19372611 Thu, Apr 26, 11:07 | Lazio and LeftWings, this thread is from last year, when you could see your opponent's roster changes as they were made. In the endgame, it made sense to copy the guy behind you if you had the lead and the trades and no one else was close enough to catch you. Also, it made sense for a person who didn't have the lead to differentiate in key slots and make moves to avoid duplication. Had d/j smooth known he was behind rather than in front, his strategy would have been different. | |||||
| 43 | The Left Wings ID: 2131321 Thu, Apr 26, 21:18 |
Oh yeah hahaha | |||||
| 44 | NoErnie Leader ID: 372241417 Fri, Apr 27, 20:53 | d/j, Did this happen to you last year? I seem to remember something similar like that happening to another person who was playing a smallworld fantasy game.... | |||||
| 45 | NoErnie Leader ID: 372241417 Fri, Apr 27, 20:53 | d/j, Did this happen to you last year? I seem to remember something similar like that happening to another person who was playing a smallworld fantasy game.... | |||||
| 47 | Species ID: 27382815 Sat, Apr 28, 15:17 |
NoErnie - yes, this was last year (1999-2000) in the CNN/Si version of the Smallworld Hoops game. Standings were seperate as was the prize. | |||||
| 48 | Ex-Small World ID: 249571011 Sat, May 05, 12:03 |
Jonathan, Didn't you, or your brother actually WORK for Small World. I KNOW one of you guys did! While SW obviously screwed up big-time and should do something -- your post still seems a little odd to me. Plus, SW fired all the people who probably could have actually done something about this so imagine your complaints are gonna fall on deaf ears. | |||||
| 49 | Guru ID: 330592710 Sat, May 05, 14:31 |
Jon's complaint is more than a year old, and came at the end of the 1999-2000 season. The end result is that he was awarded the grand prize, for reasons unrelated to the issue he raised. Interestingly enough, he did get hired by Small World several months later. I don't know if he is still working there now or not. (Maybe I should start adding the year to the posting date. Hmmm....) | |||||
| 50 | Raz ID: 233371822 Sat, May 05, 17:31 | Or just encouraging people to actually read a thread before they post to it... How many times has it been stated now that this occurred last year? | |||||
| 51 | Bawler ID: 391141912 Wed, May 09, 09:01 |
I can't believe this! If I had the tel #, maybe I could've had my invalid roster caused by SW being down reversed!? That could've changed EVERYTHING! ;?) Respect due to KB8ers, but no one should be able to call in their moves. Everyone has to deal with the site going down, and must adjust accordingly. This isn't fair at all. | |||||
| 52 | devils1 ID: 35424919 Wed, May 09, 19:24 |
Hello? Anyone reading above? This thread is from 1999-2000 season! Guru, I think that's a great idea, but it won't stop everyone . . . I actually came by here so I could "borrow" some of the principles laid out in the forum standards and share them on another message board. Luckily they layout of that board results in posts dropping off as new ones are added! Have a great summer. | |||||
| 53 | Up ID: 12050819 Tue, Jan 08, 2002, 19:52 | ... | |||||
| 54 | crossmovement.com ID: 24050210 Tue, Jan 08, 2002, 21:49 | wow. i'm speechless. | |||||
| 55 | crossmovement.com ID: 24050210 Tue, Jan 08, 2002, 21:53 | kb8ers did you get to the nba finals afterall?? | |||||
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