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Subject: Initial roster strategy (kinda long) Posted by: rockafellerskank - [4541221] Thu, Sep 28, 22:55 I thought i would put some ideas down about what my thoughts are on building an initial roster to start the season. It's important to get off to a good start so that you don't spend the first 2 weeks' trades fixing mistakes. If you can avoid serious gaffs, you can mange better by panning ahead rather than reacting to what is happening to your team In the past I have made rosters "on the fly". Some have done well, others have killed me. I started to look at what things the successful rosters had in common. Here are mistakes that I have made in the past I WILL avoid this year: 1. Falling in love w/ a personal favorite player or a favorite team so blindly that I fail to consider better options available. For example, I am a Lakers fan, so Glen Rice found his way on my roster briefly last year. Need I explain further? 2. Opposite of #1. Ignoring a player because of a personal bias against him or his Team. For example last year I refused to select "Bo and "O" during the trade Shaq week. Needless to say, I suffered from a cash & points viewpoint. 3. Running out of trades. Repeat after me........ I WILL NEVER LEAVE MYSELF W/ ZERO TRADES. Repeat again and again and again until you have convinced yourself. For example, ask me what happened when Iverson was injured last year..NOT pretty; I think I lost 1.5M in 2 days! I think this is more important than ever before. Players are paid so much and are so valuable, that they often sit w/ injuries more frequently than in the past. Sometimes at their request, but other times at the team's request. Deal w/ it, it will ge worse beofre it gets better. IE CWebber's back ring a bell with anyone? 4. Chasing "the next cheap center" Forget it. You spend trades, you get some points, you get some cash...... he goes cold, gets yanked, you lose points, you lose cash.... you spend another trade. You are at square 1. The cycle repeats & repeats & repeats. 5. Timming of sells. Sounds simple, right? Plan to sell 1 game before the masses sell. You will maximize gains (rememebr how many player prices started to leak 1 day before you thought they would?) and have a replacement ready in advance. (rememebr how many players started to gain 1 day before you thought they would?) I know this one doesn't sound logical, but that is the way it worked in the real (small)world. 6. Focussing too much on points early VS cash gains. I was ranked top 100 WWR thru X-mas last year (CNN game), but got destroyed after the ASB because too many people had higher roster values than me. I will make money this year. IMHO, the game can be defined as a race to $100M All that being said, here are some terms that I define players by: Stud: The legit stars that DO NOT have bad games. period. There are few of these guys IMHO: Shaq, ZO, Payton, Kidd, Garnett, CWebber, GHill,TD, Malone, VC (maybe) Sleeper: someone who is underpriced by 1-2+M that will produce points and make cash. These guys are money trains- to be bought, used and sold when their value maxes out. Don't get to attached to any one of these guys for too long. Returners: Players that are returning from injury. They are impact players or producers that are consistant, usually starters. They are also a great source of money/cash. Here ae the rules that I came up w/ to draft my team: Center #1 (13M)- Shaq. Shaq. Shaq. and more Shaq. I will not trade out of Shaq unless he has a 2-game week. #3 Shaqs beat #4 Zos', Bo's, O's or Mutumbo's everytime. Center #2 (1-2M) - initially a low-priced C that starts and has no real threat on his team to replace him. I do not plan on using trades on this spot (unless injury) until I can afford a 2-headed monster. Forward #1 (10M)- STUD. Any of the above forwards will do. I plan to hold this position with no trade out for 8-10 weeks to start the season. I will hold thru 3 game weeks as well. I will be looking at total # of games over a 8-10 week period. They might have price fluctuations, but will bounce up and down all year within the same 500k-1M range. Forwards #2, #3, #4 (5-6M total) - sleepers. IMHO, there are more sleeprs at this position than any other. F's are often interchangeable and play 2,3,4 positions for some teams. These are an are that I will be focusing on to spends trades and to make cash fast. I would be willing to spend an average of 1.5 trades per week on these players. Since there are so many to choose from, focus on maximizing games. Of the $5-6M I may spen on these 3, I'll bet I spend: 1M, 2M and 3M respectivey. Guard #1 (8-10M) Stud. I prefer a point guard at this position because shooting % is usually better, ft% is usually better and they can score points by assist or FG's depending on the situation. I will choose between Kidd, Payton, Marbury, Cassell at this position. i would raher have the guy with the ball in his hands than rely on the guy who must receive the pass befor he can score. Kobe might be an exception to the PG rule here becuase he handles it soo much. --- OMG-- see there is my persoanl favorite shinng through. i broke my own rules before I was done typing!!!! Guards #2,#3, (7-9M depending on roster balance)I am looking for 2 sleepers here too. I'd prefer PG.s VS SG's for the above reasons. I think these players can be bought and sold weekly too depending on schedule maximization. I plan to use 1 to 1.5 trade per week in this area. I wil aso bet that I end up w/ the following price ranges for these 3: 500k, 2M, 4-6M. Guard #4 (1M +/-) low priced G, maybe a rookie. Every year there are 2-4 guys who get a chance to start that have never before. Research individual teams and watch pre-season games/stats to find these guys. I plan to find one and hold him 4-6 weeks and hope to gain a sold points and long-term cash gains. RULES: Never draft a player without having a game plan as to when the "optimal" time to dump him is. Look for 2-3 possible replacement for him in the proper price range when that time comes. In other words, it's like a flow chart. Chart your players on a calendar system. I never want more than 2 players (if possible) scheduled for trade within the same trading week. Have you ever looked at your roster and found you have 5 players that have 2-3 games only each next week and you have 3 trades remaining? Yikes! Can you say WWR drop? I personally believe that initially, a STUD and a cheap combo beats 2 average players. When forced to choose, I will draft a cheapie to solidify a stud that I want/need VS sacrifice at stud in order to get a 3M player on my team. Use 3 trades per week maximum and use the last trade only the day before you are scheduled to get 4 new trades (or NOT at all). It is a fact that you have to buy/sell and trade early to gain cash. Don't be afraid to burn them, but DO be wise with them. Don't leave yourself with -0- ever. If you take a risky player as a gamlble, reserve an additional trade-- no matter what! IE Robert 'ice" Pack last year. Sometimes the risk will pay off, but you can't afford the downside loss if it's a bust. Keep a rolling calander of your player games over a MINIMUM of 4 weeks. watch out for cold spells like 2 games in 9 days, etc.... Rotoguru has a great schedule for this. Check it out. Keep a list of "potenial" players a watch list) that you think might be worth while. Thsi will help you be prepared in the event of an injury rather than making a bad decision based on the spur of the moment. Look in on your team daily. You cannot be successful managing once per week. Period. Finally: Listen to the experienced gurupies on this board. Use the "sartibles" If you don't know what these are, experiment, ask or do whatever you need to do to learn the tools on the rotoguru site. Use the Assimilator. same as above- try, experiment, educate yourself as to the tools on this site. HTH. I know I rambled a bit. I welcome any feedback to spark discussion. Thanks Dave for the great site. rfs | ||||||
| 1 | Stuck in the Sixties ID: 18882823 Thu, Sep 28, 23:10 | Great analysis! Last year, the number of games per week tended to drive the price increases and I see no reason to think that'll change. From the git-go, my roster will focus on this concept, with the exception of Shaq. | |||||
| 2 | rockafellerskank ID: 4541221 Thu, Sep 28, 23:19 |
I thought of 2 other things to add: Don't feel compelled to spend all of my cash just because it's there. When comaring two players that I feel equally about, I will buy the cheaper one. It's nice to be able to trade into a player you want on a one-trade deal. Have you ever had to sell a player to raise enough cash to get another player? There goes 2 trades....makes the deal more questionable, huh? When comparing players or when ready to jump on that player with a 6 games in 9 days... STOP. Look at road games VS home games. I'm not saying it should make your final decison for you, but here is a fact of NBA life these days.... Players get tired or coaches will sit them for fear of them getting tired. Cleveland went on a MAJOR road trip last year. Schedz looked great. i jumped on Bob Sura (and a few hundred 1000's otehr too.) Bob pooped out. I wasted a trade. I got less than expected points (even with the great schedz) and I lost money. I learned a lesson. rfs | |||||
| 3 | Doug ID: 19850280 Fri, Sep 29, 00:03 |
Good post rockafellerskank... right about now... don't you love the album version with the guy who calls into the DJ and starts singing? Hilarious... but I digress. As far as last year's mistakes... it's good to learn from them, but history doesn't NECESSARILY repeat itself. For example, let's say I pick Chris Mihm to be center #2 on my team, but maybe he doesn't play that well early on or get enough PT behind Ilgauskas... and Jermaine O'Neal emerges as "the next cheap center" in Indiana... do I trade? I'll certainly consider it... especially depending how many other trades I have available, even though I, like yourself, got burned at this position last season. So I wouldn't necessarily avoid trading cheap centers just because the strategy didn't work last season. Setting a hard and fast rule is kinda like not buying a player because you don't like him (see lesson 3). Just my 2 cents. I do feel your pain though. =-) As for the "race to $100M", that was my strategy last year... it got me into the top 50 WWR, but I let myself get a bit too far behind in points on this quest to catch those in the top 10. There were various other factors involved of course, but it's knowing how and when to make the transition from $ gains to SWP that is key. That and luck. There's no simple answer. I also subscribe to the general roster scheme of "barbelling"... typically preferring a stud and scrub to a pair of middle-tier players. You've generated some nice guidelines here, this is a good strategy thread for talented newcomers to read. | |||||
| 4 | azdbacker ID: 3743019 Fri, Sep 29, 02:55 | Nice insight rsf, very much appreciated. I played last season and made top 500. Now that I've found RotoGuru, I can't wait to play this year. | |||||
| 5 | Ender ID: 57472312 Fri, Sep 29, 08:31 |
Well stated. Doug, certainly if the cheap center you drafted stinks and another one emerges and is stable go for it. Rock was referring to the constant trading that took place at this position (God knows I was guilty of it often). I intend to be much more faithful to my cheap center this year. There are more points and $$$ to be made by using the trade at the G & F spots. | |||||
| 6 | Guru ID: 330592710 Fri, Sep 29, 11:15 |
My biggest mistake last season to getting too active too early. I burned too many trades for slim benefit, and then didn't have enough to dodge some bigger bullets. The cost of holding a loser (esp. due to injury) is much greater than the opportunity cost of not being able to grab a gainer at the first opportunity. (I'm sure there will be exceptions, but it sure felt that way last year.) A few unexpected injuries can have ripple effects that last for weeks, unless you have ample trades in reserve. And you can never have ample trades in reserve! Trading strategies tend to focus on offense (gaining points and $), but don't forget to play defense as well (ducking injuries and $ losses). Among the keys to successful early trade management are
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| 7 | Chris ID: 158402013 Fri, Sep 29, 11:26 | Thank you rfs and Guru. This is exactly the kind of thread a Hoops rookie like myself needs. There is a ton of good info in here...this thread gets a '5' indeed... | |||||
| 8 | Ender ID: 57472312 Fri, Sep 29, 12:24 |
One thing I did last year early in the season, but got away from late, was to trade to maximize games over a 2 week period rather than a single week. This allowed me to have 2 weeks worth of trades to change my roster. You do lose a little efficiency at times (you could get 5 - 5 instead of 5 -4), but you also have more trades available to you. | |||||
| 9 | Doug ID: 368242912 Fri, Sep 29, 12:48 |
I think an interesting and dangerous development is the addition of price changes over the weekend. Last year I would rarely make trades on Friday or Saturday nights, waiting instead until Sunday night to have the most information possible before Monday's repricing (unless a weekend trade was dictated by scheduling). So that meant I was only vulnerable to making knee-jerk trades 5 nights a week... now it's the full 7. Scary. I think we all agree on having at least 1 or 2 trades in reserve in case of injury... I remember getting burned on Iverson early last year. But I would suggest also keeping a trade or two around for "bandwagoning" purposes. When a good player comes back from injury there is often upwards of $1 million to be made in a couple days time. Gotta be careful with that though, I remember hopping on the bandwagon too early when attempting to predict EJ's return last season, so I got stuck with several DNPs at a time when SWPs were much more important than $. But I was trying to make up ground at that point, so it was a risk I felt I had to take. Just sharing my experiences, take 'em or leave 'em... and now if you'll excuse me, I must return to the chalkboard... (feel free to join me, it's good practice!): A trade is not a toy. A trade is not a toy. A trade is not a toy. A trade is... | |||||
| 10 | Veracity ID: 2842102 Fri, Sep 29, 14:34 |
I didn't realize repricing will be seven days a week now. Too bad they aren't giving us a couple extra trades to go along with that. I've been going over and over the player lists. There are so many potential sleepers this year: rookies, players who sat out most or all of last season, players moving into starting roles ... enough to seed four or five teams full of sleepers. It's going to be very hard to pick the players who will rise the most in the first week or two. I'm starting to think the best early roster strategy may be to rack up the points with stud players and wait to see where the money trains will emerge (while saving up a couple weeks' worth of trades). I figured out a roster with Shaq, Alonzo, Duncan, Garnett, four players at 50,000 and two under 2M (at least they can't drop in price). I may go with that. I think Shaq and Kobe (and maybe Jermaine O'Neal) are the only sure risers. A lot of people starting new teams after the season begins will be buying Shaq and Kobe. | |||||
| 11 | Ref ID: 5848718 Fri, Sep 29, 17:16 | My thought is to never say never. Also, no long-term player strategy. 3-4 weeks is about the longest I look. Got to go with who is hot and points/money gains and their schedules to maximize trades. | |||||
| 12 | KnicksFan ID: 9892221 Fri, Sep 29, 17:31 | who gave this a 4? this is top notch material. | |||||
| 13 | rockafellerskank ID: 18472719 Fri, Sep 29, 17:54 |
an added thought.... Maybe some insight as to why I choose to post on this topic and why I choose to make "rules" for myself. CLICHE: "people never plan to fail, the fail to plan" As far as trading, I went back to my most successful team (now with the benefit of 20/20 hindsight) and mapped out the trades that "I wish I could take back" for a particular reason Here were the top reasons I wished I could take it back. 1. I used up a trade on a "hunch" or another's recommendation that left me short to cover an injury or the lack of ability to take a "hot" player-- thus missing the money/point train. This created the "save a trade rule" 2. Even if my expectations were realized, my gains were minimal --- this is the cheapie Center rule ! 3. I added a bum w/ a flash, but no substance-- this led me to my personal feeling rule. 4. I used up a trade just to spend my cash because I theorized that a more expensive player was automatically better-- now I have to use 2 trades to make a move that I should ave been able to pull off in one trade because of a cash shortfall. I would urge everyone to go back and think about what trades you made last year in error.... then think about whetehr that trade will be one you will come to regret this year AS YOU ARE ABOUT TO CLICK ON "are you sure you want to sell this player?" rfs | |||||
| 14 | Dre' ID: 3835291 Fri, Sep 29, 18:11 |
Top Notch for Sure!!! Anyone new to the game better take heed to this very sound advice! There really isn't much more to add to this deal, Great Job guys! Hoopin Gurupies are baaack!!!! Dre' | |||||
| 15 | Board_Wiper ID: 16435312 Fri, Sep 29, 18:53 |
Gets a 5 from me! Great stuff rfs, I learned some stuff here. bw | |||||
| 16 | Board_Wiper ID: 13421412 Sat, Sep 30, 14:30 | BUTT | |||||
| 17 | HeaTransfer ID: 30619280 Tue, Oct 03, 00:49 | So good, it deserves a big BUTT. | |||||
| 18 | Duke ID: 135371214 Thu, Oct 05, 13:32 |
Great job, although I'm not sure that I really wanted to be reminded of playing the Bo, Othella and Kandiman game last year. I finished top 300, but was on the low-end of value relative to my peers. I know I am going to have to be more vigilant on price gains to do as well or better this year. I also admit that Saturday/Sunday repricings don't thrill me...it is one of the reasons I don't play baseball. BUTT (the real reason for this post) | |||||
| 19 | Team Doctor ID: 2192154 Fri, Oct 06, 03:11 |
Doctor's orders: read this post! Nice work, RFS. I recommend 3 things... 1) Always save a trade. Otherwise you'll get burned like I was when EJ got hurt early in the trade week and I waited for several days, sadly watching his price drop by the millions, day after day, until I finally got my new allotment of trades. 2) Buy and keep Shaq. I always lost ground when I didn't have Shaq, and wasted many trades and $$ trying to reacquire him. 3) Stay away from injury-prone players! Robert Pack cost me many many valuable trades, and all I got was a headache. Heck, I think he even scored negative points one night to rub it in... | |||||
| 20 | warriors ID: 15933218 Fri, Oct 06, 13:27 | that Pack and his negative points! I remember... I REMEMBER!!!! | |||||
| 22 | Pond Scum ID: 54420321 Mon, Oct 09, 19:41 | butt, nice job, rfs | |||||
| 23 | boston strangler ID: 42862810 Mon, Oct 09, 22:30 | good stuff, i'm really excited for this season to start! go sixers! | |||||
| 24 | Peter N. ID: 26946922 Mon, Oct 09, 22:46 | Great stuff rfs! Not much I can add :-) Gets a 5 from me! | |||||
| 26 | CCRider ID: 258192818 Wed, Oct 11, 13:35 | Skank...looks like I have some cathing up to do... | |||||
| 27 | Gary ID: 1943692 Wed, Oct 11, 19:17 |
Best thread I read on any of the forums in awhile. Last year didn't get out of the starting blocks but this year plan on competing. X my fingers and hopfully some of this stuff will help. | |||||
| 28 | The_Governor ID: 18933418 Wed, Oct 11, 21:17 |
Hey RFS, I'm with you on everything, especially the cheap center rule. Last year I kept trading in and out of Cato, Declerq, Outlaw, Keon and so on, wasting trades. Then I just decided to keep Cato for a month and saved trades. I even kept through a week when he was hurt, and I still managed to hold ground. A lot of people will have a cheap center early in the year, but their money gains and losses will be very minimal as a rule as the year goes on. Most of the top managers will move to the two-headed monster as they gain money, so the gains and losses of cheap centers will be even more minimal. | |||||
| 30 | The NYK Warriors ID: 4652216 Fri, Oct 13, 22:58 |
Keep this in mind: The Kings and the Magic are playing 6 out of the first 8 games of the season. I wouldn't studder to buy Webber. Another good fact that has been brought up a few times is save your trades or you will get BURNED! Trust me... I am the master of burning myself. (I didn't have trade to sell Shaq near end of season costing a pricely $2 million.) | |||||
| 31 | PLAYER ID: 49901511 Sun, Oct 15, 11:00 | excellent stuff | |||||
| 32 | DaddyZen ID: 8743316 Tue, Oct 17, 00:52 | BUTT | |||||
| 33 | devils1 ID: 107452911 Thu, Oct 19, 11:43 |
Excellent stuff, rfs. I printed your analysis posts from last year just so I could be ready for this year's run. Thanks to you and the others posting advice in this thread. It's all worth a 5. And I'm looking forward to the nightly posts from the good Team Doctor as well. BUTT | |||||
| 34 | Z ID: 13439719 Thu, Oct 19, 17:31 |
This is the best thread and a MUST READ for all newbies and even vet's. That's why it get's a 5 and a BUTT from me... -Z- | |||||
| 35 | devils1 ID: 107452911 Fri, Oct 20, 11:07 | Okay, who were the dingalings who rated this thread below 5 (and especially 1 & 2)? What were you thinking? BUTT | |||||
| 36 | Ref ID: 1442849 Fri, Oct 20, 15:04 | The biggest problem I had was that I had to burn all my trades on Friday and pray that no one got hurt. When they did--I was screwed. Same for a guy that I thought was coming back and didn't. Grant Hill killed me last year. I echo Guru's post up there. I also want to try and conserve some trades this year--even if it means a lesser schedule and lose some price gains early in which to do it. Your players WILL get injured. Prepare for it. It's a long few days for the new trades to come back around. | |||||
| 37 | rockafellerskank ID: 18472719 Sat, Oct 21, 12:08 | butt | |||||
| 38 | The Bomb ID: 229172416 Tue, Oct 24, 16:18 | printed a copy for future use. Great stuff. | |||||
| 39 | Penult ID: 34749280 Wed, Oct 25, 20:58 | This year during baseball I let my team sit idle for an entire month or maybe even five trade weeks. It fell from 900 to 4000 in WWR. I picked it back up, and even though I had lost more than 2 million on an injured hitter, having all those trades allowed me to win my division and finish the year in the 400's. My point being is that it is a long season and fretting over some lunk who only scores 5 or 10 SWP is foolish. Many managers locked in Bo Outlaw last year and used the trades to maximize players who can score 60-70 SWP at a whack. Rotate stud forwards or stud guards and forget about the center position *no matter who you draft*. If you must prove this to yourself draft two identical teams and let one sit the first three weeks and then actively manage it and see which one wins by year's end.... | |||||
| 40 | adidas8 ID: 39232718 Fri, Oct 27, 18:23 | BUTT....one of the best posts on these boards, didn't want it to slip into the 2nd page ;) | |||||
| 41 | Team Doctor ID: 2192154 Sun, Nov 12, 04:26 | BUTT...It says initial roster strategy, but this advice is good all season long. | |||||
| 42 | cowgirlzzz ID: 47730117 Wed, Oct 17, 09:30 |
FROM LAZT YEAR. CHANGE THE PLAYERZ NAMEZ. ZTILL GOOD ZTUFF. ZZZZZ | |||||
| 43 | MyLakers ID: 345282521 Wed, Oct 17, 23:22 | So how does the new set up change you folks strats? 30 million for 5 guys and only 2 trades a week with one money day. I nearly pulled my hair out trying to figure where to go now. | |||||
| 44 | PitchersRule ID: 479121919 Fri, Oct 19, 22:03 |
This is my second year playing Hoops(first since the discovery) and I am stuck playing the free game. I am wondering if planning around number of games per week is the way to go. I have drafted my starters around SEA(B Barry, R Lewis), POR(D Anderson), IND(O'Neal), and SAN(Bowens). I plan on holding all players until the second pair of trades are giving out on 11/06 which will give me 4 roster moves in which I can goto players with the most games played in a two week span of time. What flaws are invovled with this strategy? Are matchups important? Any input is welcome. Thanks in advance. PR | |||||
| 45 | ??? ID: 539472219 Mon, Oct 22, 19:49 | BUTT | |||||
| 46 | rockafellerskank Donor ID: 52937259 Thu, Oct 25, 2001, 12:05 |
PR- Sorry, just saw that you posted to this thread... All of the above was designed around the 10 player games w/ daily re-pricings. I can't say I've put much thought into the free game yet, but off the top of my head: The schedule has to be a factor, but certainly NOT the only factor. It's certainly better to have a player w/ 4 or 5 games in a trade week than 3. However, this year's schedule seems to even out w/ less 3 game and/or 5 game weeks. Since there are only weekly re-pricings, the price swings will be great. Getting caught w/ an injured player at a re-pricing date may mean a $1M loss. A definite no-no to run out of trades. As far as match-ups go, I only use match ups to determine a choice between 2 options. IE player A vs player B. Some things to watch for are long road trips, WARNING: some of the best (most dense) schedules are long road trips because the NBA is moving an east coast team thru the west or visa versa. Sometimes they are as dense as 5 games in 7 days, BUT frequently, the coach gives rest to players because of the rigors of the schedule, so it deflates all tose minutes that you THOUGHT you were going to log. This happens alot to older players, players on deep teams and players w/ nagging injuries. I think the same strategy applies to making money early and often, but NOT at the expense of points. I think 1 cheap Center and long term hold would be the best startegy and focus trades on G's and F's to make money (kind of like rotating hot Pitchers) Planning for 2-3+ week holds whenever possible should also be obvious. Barbelling players by price should work too, IE 1 high priced G, 1 cheap G, 1 high priced F, 1 cheap F, 1 cheap Center. This will enable you to move G-> and F-> F while executing only 1 trade. HTH rfs | |||||
| 47 | CanEHdian Pride ID: 426351415 Mon, Dec 10, 2001, 15:32 |
BUTT THIS IS WHAT THE FORUM NEEDS MORE OF! | |||||
| 48 | Rubalamp ID: 6615911 Sat, Aug 03, 2002, 15:06 | This is worthy of being back at the top, as I, and probably a few other junkies out there are already thinking about next year's team...BUTT | |||||
| 49 | beetski ID: 206282522 Sat, Aug 03, 2002, 17:13 | based on the team u drafted with SHAQ, 10M foward 9 mil guard and then 5-6M fowards, ur not gonna make that much money. I like staying away from the Big guards like payton and kidd, i stick it with low guards and big fowards, there is always money to be made by buying the TMACII of last season. I like spenidng 1 trade a week on a C and 1 on a Guard, save 2 for when u need to make the next big pickup, u gotta play with the masses, then deviate when u have the $$ | |||||
| 50 | p... ID: 1545375 Sun, Aug 04, 2002, 10:35 |
First of all I would like to say that this is a great thread and perfect for a newbie like me. Second of all, I have two questions... 1)What does 'BUTT' stand for? 2)The NYK Warriors where did you get your schedule information? | |||||
| 51 | rockafellerskank Sustainer ID: 456181014 Sun, Aug 04, 2002, 11:14 |
1) BUTT stands for Back Up To Top. 2) This thread is about 2 years old, much of the discussion pertains to players/schedules from 2000/2002 or 2001/2002 season. But, the fundamentals are still worth discussing. | |||||
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