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Subject: Free alternatives to TSN Ultimate Hoops ?
Posted by: Choller
- [41837303] Sun, Oct 07, 05:25
Since they are charging for the game (i'm not playing the free dumb game) and not all of my friends have a creditcard (we live in Europe) i've decided to look for alternatives.
So let's hear which other free game (if there's one) exists with kinda the same concept of last year SW Hoops.
P.S. I'm not playing for the prices but how do u want me to understand that not everyone can recieve a price coz they live somewhere that's not eligible (outside US and Canada) but they must be able to pay for it. |
| 1 | IRRIDUCIBILI LAZIO
ID: 9952114
Sun, Oct 07, 08:38
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infact it's a stupid situation......for us european is really just a cost without the prospective of compete for something.....why can't they add banners instead of charging us by this amount???personally i don't like the way tsn is changing the smallworld conception of play fantasy sports and i think that in the moment a new nice free game will appear on the net, they'll loose 80% of their fantasy players.....
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| 2 | Jeroen
ID: 4392378
Sun, Oct 07, 08:53
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HELP!
Does anyone have any links for any free
games on the net? SW wants you to pay now...
I dont have the money for it AND I live in
Europe. Which sucks, because they won't
ALLOW us to play. I thought this was a free
world? Why can't people from all over the
world compete in this??? Any games that
European people ARE allowed to play? CAn
you give me some links? Thanks!
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| 3 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Sun, Oct 07, 13:53
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Lazio - "in the moment a new nice free game will appear on the net, they'll lose 80% of their fantasy players..."
Your logic is indisputable.
But don't hold your breath.
In fact, there is very little risk that a better game will appear with no cost. The risk is that there aren't enough players who will pay to play. And if that's the case (although I doubt it), the industry will just fold.
Jeroen - You thought it was a free world? I don't understand that comment at all!
As to prize eligibility, I'd estimate that about 10-20% of the cost of the game goes to provide prizes - assuming that registrations are sufficient. So at best, the cost for those who are prize ineligible should be discounted by 10-20%. Of course, if they do that, then the general price has to be raised across the board. But that still might be a concept for TSN consider in future games (i.e., a 10% discount for those who are ineligible for prizes).
You need to recognize, however, that only a fraction of the cost goes to pay for prizes. So the comment that "we should not have to pay anything if we can't win prizes" is totally missing the economic reality. The games would have to cost something even if there were no prizes at all.
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| 4 | Santa
ID: 47312017
Sun, Oct 07, 14:13
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I live in Europe and the money was never an issue to me... I have been playing this game for free for 3 years - just for the fun of it. And it makes no difference to me that I have to pay for the fun now. If this is what it takes to make sure that I can keep on playing this for years to come - hey, no problem.
Just re-instate that European Soccer game while you're at it - plz ;-)
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| 5 | river
ID: 36138229
Mon, Oct 08, 09:24
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i'll keep an eye on this thread, chopper.
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| 6 | CableKC
ID: 208571910
Mon, Oct 08, 15:23
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Has anyone tried the CBS SportsLine Fantasy BasketBall Game before?
From what I can tell, it appears to be one of those real Fantasy BB leagues...where only one team gets a player...as opposed to the Buy/Sell method of TSN Smallworld version.
Any thoughts on how the game is played compared to TSN Smallworld?
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| 7 | deepsnapper
Sustainer
ID: 44937116
Mon, Oct 08, 23:00
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Fantasy Sports Unlimited will have a free roundball game launch in the next few days.
They currently offer Hockey, Football & playoff baseball salary cap games.
Lots of popups and they give you the season's trades in a pool to begin with which makes trade management a little harder, but it's free though.
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| 8 | dusty bottoms
ID: 18442117
Tue, Oct 09, 10:31
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The only alternative I can see is Yahoo. It is pretty good and easy to maneuver around and play along. TSN blew it with the free game, a lot of people won't play the 5 player game, I just don't see a reason to change the game. I know a lot of people who played the regular game. I am wondering why they did it? it must have saved money or something along those lines.
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| 9 | Ref
ID: 1442849
Tue, Oct 09, 12:25
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The prizes TSN is offering sure won't help those that are sitting on the fence. Unless you are the ultimate winner ($5000) the best you can get is a free subscription to the Sporting News. I certainly am not going to pay for a 500K or an LRV team and am even leaning against any teams in TSN hoops now. It's not just the money--part of it is that I travel a lot during the hoops season--but I still enjoy it. Esp. when many of my Bellyites help cover my teams when I don't have access.
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| 10 | Erik B.
ID: 5592999
Tue, Oct 09, 15:12
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Dusty:
Simply put, no revenue comes out of the free games, and as a responsible leader of a business unit,I don't want to be in a position where we couldn't offer our games at all. We hope you'll play the free game and try the pay game too.
(And we hear you about prizes -- we'll improve them for baseball.)
-ESB
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| 11 | culdeus
Donor
ID: 38292612
Tue, Oct 09, 15:33
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What about CNN/SI. They offer free GM based stuff right? They don't have their stuff for bball up yet. Anyone done this before? None of my friends are going to do SW so I have lost interest also and am looking for a free site to play with them. It's amazing how much of a deterrent even 10 bucks is.
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| 12 | Choller
ID: 13027162
Wed, Oct 10, 07:42
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Guru and Erick B.
Please don't get me wrong. I don't care about the prizes, to me u don't need to give any prices at all.
It's just that a lot of european players can't pay to play the game. Simply because not everybody has a creditcard. And not every paren't is going to buy that, doesn't matter what the prize is. (Note i'm 22).
What i would've done. I don't know in what financial positions you are in, but i'd run at least this year without charging anything, just to see how it goes, and after that evaluate if there is any money needed for this.
I live by the rule that not everything is about the money that's why i don't understand that when u get something that u can get money out of it, that u HAVE to charge. You can disagree with me if u don't think like me.
I just needed to get this out, i know that i won't be able to change anything u do.
P.S. Still haven't found anything similar to SW. Yahoo only awards points in 5 category...that's not much.
I just freaking hate it, i won't be surprised anymore if i see hotmail charging 2 cents for every mail read next year. But hey, guess there's nothing to do about it than "go with the flow".
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| 13 | Ender
ID: 52438315
Wed, Oct 10, 08:34
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Post 12:
What i would've done. I don't know in what financial positions you are in, but i'd run at least this year without charging anything, just to see how it goes, and after that evaluate if there is any money needed for this.
I live by the rule that not everything is about the money that's why i don't understand that when u get something that u can get money out of it, that u HAVE to charge. You can disagree with me if u don't think like me."
That's exactly what they've done for the last 4+ years. They have run the game for free and they have found out you can not do that. It is not profitable. If you think they should offer it for free because you don't have to make money, then you haven't taken any time to consider the expenses involved in running a game like this, particulalarly when you consider they typically have 200,000+ active teams. Would you be willing to donate $100,000+ (conservative estimate) per year so OTHER people could play a fantasy game? I love the game, and consider myself generous, but there's absolutely NO WAY I could
do that.
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| 14 | Choller
ID: 13027162
Wed, Oct 10, 09:00
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In my belief they (TSN) took over Smallworld. So in my eyes it's a fresh start.
Only time will tell how this is going to work out.
I won't make another comment on this. I do respect the decision to go cash. And i definately want to play, but now it's a creditcard issue. Lots of european wannabe participants have a problem with this. (i'm not demanding anything, only that an answer would be nice)
But then again, who are europeans....
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| 15 | The Godfather
ID: 228541814
Wed, Oct 10, 17:57
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"In my belief they (TSN) took over Smallworld. So in my eyes it's a fresh start."
HAHAHA, that's too funny. I suppose that all the Smallworld debts they may have taken over are just zeroed out too, huh?
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| 16 | Ender
ID: 13443221
Wed, Oct 10, 20:39
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It's a "fresh start" so they shouldn't learn from SW's mistakes? Why should they be required to lose money first?
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| 17 | Erik B.
ID: 48830517
Thu, Oct 11, 11:23
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Tough crowd...tough crowd.
-ESB
TSN/GM
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| 18 | The Edge
ID: 46936117
Thu, Oct 11, 16:19
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Erik B
I have been playing "smallworld" for the past 5 years. I think that It was an ego trip to take the TSPN thing a little too far. You should've kept it the qway it was and put your adds in the banner and that's it.
Also you should've had the pay game be the 5 players game and left the 50k Cap game alone. Too many people play it and you will now lose 75% of your customers (I am one). I am not a tough crowd. You should gradually work into paying and have better prizes. I think you did this one half azz and that you guys are trying to make a quick buck. Sorry I am speaking for a lot of people on this board and wish that you consider changing these rules and payment plans. You are way off base and I am upset (along with others).
I make too much money and I think this is an outrage!!!! Sorry
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| 19 | Flying Polack
ID: 348311914
Thu, Oct 11, 16:31
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Why shouldn't they try and make money? That's capitalism, the American way. Nothing is really free. Now that online advertising is virtually gone how are they supposed to make money on this game?
It obviously costs money to run a game of this magnitude. Do you expect Erik and his team to develop this game for free? They have families that they must provide for. I don't think Erik would expect any of us to go entertain him for free, so why should we expect it from him and TSN?
Anyone who is complaing about this needs to think for a second what you're complaining about. Then step back into the world of reality.
The Edge, honestly, why would TSN care if they lose you as a customer? What do you do for them? If you won't pay for a game that you've played and enjoyed for five years, then what will you ever bring them. Stop pouting, either pay up or find a new game.
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| 20 | QB
ID: 4484911
Thu, Oct 11, 16:48
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I am amazed at the ignorant comments here. I have stated before that it is sad that these free games are gone, but it is a fact of life that free things usually come to an end. Post #18 makes almost no sense and the final comment:
"I make too much money and I think this is an outrage!!!!"
If you make so much money why not pay? Anyway I may be missing some sarcasm in that post... But I have seen a few posts where people are PO'd and attacking TSN because they want to keep a game alive and the only way to do it is to charge users.
Heck even Guru had to make a plea for donations just to run this site! Business is business and that is the way of life, get over it, look for another game (like me) but DO NOT attack TSN for trying to keep a good game going.
QB
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| 21 | Dave R
Leader
ID: 147341310
Thu, Oct 11, 16:53
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The Edge, you make too much money and won't pay to play? How do you make your money, I'll bet it's not by offering your services for free.
Give me a break and cut TSN a break, how many people do you think it takes to run these games. I guess they should all donate their time for the benefit of those who want to play fantasy sports. Add in the cost of servers, computers, office equipment and the rest. Don't play, thats your choice.
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| 22 | The Godfather
ID: 228541814
Thu, Oct 11, 16:55
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Well put QB. It would also be nice if people would actually read the threads regarding this subject before making asinine posts. It's been answered already why TSN isn't going to make "the pay game be the 5 players game and leave the 50k Cap game alone."
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| 23 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Thu, Oct 11, 16:55
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Is it rather astounding that some people seem to think TSN is making a big mistake if they lose customers who cost money to support, but who refuse to pay for anything...
Sounds like a good business plan to me. I'm having a tough time understanding what value these "customers" bring to TSN, and why they are worth keeping.
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| 24 | Dave R
Leader
ID: 147341310
Thu, Oct 11, 17:17
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Guru, you're right on the money. SW and now TSN has provided us all a service for FREE. Times are changing, and will continue to do so. Thanks to TSN for keeping their site going by charging a reasonable fee to play their game. Go to the movies and you pay more than what one Hoops team costs to play for 6 months.
By the way, it seems as most who are complaining have not anted up one cent to help Guru's site stay alive.
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| 25 | RecycledSpinalFluid
ID: 35928913
Thu, Oct 11, 17:33
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Dave R, it also appears that plenty of the "shut up and pay"-ers also have "not anted up one cent to help Guru's site stay alive." That is an invalid point.
I've got to say I actually had a pretty good chuckle about fretting over the 18 bucks I spent on the games, after I made the order. Seems like the silliest thing I have ever let bother me (although, to me, its wasn't/isn't a fret over money, but lack of quality services for the money.)
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| 26 | Dave R
Leader
ID: 575551622
Thu, Oct 11, 19:19
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Good point, RSF, and I didn't mean to offend. It just seems amazing that there's so much sentiment that TSN should offer their services for nothing.
Business is business, and if Guru couldn't keep producing his wonderfull site from the donations he's recieved, than none of us would be debating this here.
I have no problem with those who chose not to (or could't) donate to keep the forum going, I would however if they complianed that Guru decided to make us pay to to participate.
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| 27 | discgolfer
Sustainer
ID: 2682813
Thu, Oct 11, 21:11
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A small fee for 3 teams is not bad. Look around at prices of some of the other games. $30.00 to $60.00 for a team. TSN did not start the pay games. This was started when it was SW. If they started to do it sooner it might still be SW. I hope that TSN will work it out to accept money orders to help those who do not have a credit card. I will play the pay games to help keep them going. This will also help keep the free games going for those who won't pay.
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| 28 | Choller
ID: 13027162
Fri, Oct 12, 02:28
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So when will someone make 10 teams for me by using their credit card number?
I'll send u a check plus 5%
:( Living in Europe without a creditcard = no Ultimate Hoops.
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| 29 | Erik B.
ID: 48830517
Fri, Oct 12, 10:15
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Gang:
This conversation fascinates me. Here's the big picture -- we have many interests involved:
* Our community
* Our division
* Our overall business
What we've tried to do is create a strategy where our community is still happy (or, if not happy, willing to play), our division has a chance of being break-even sometime soon, and our overall business benefits from building out a fantasy games unit.
All of this, for me, has not been easy, and many of our decisions (prizes, for example) have been imperfect. We're doing the best we can to juggle all of these things.
-ESB
TSN GM
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| 30 | DR Stars
ID: 162592010
Fri, Oct 12, 11:06
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Erik B. Payment method is an issue that must be addressed, specially for international players.
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| 31 | prefek
ID: 23954129
Fri, Oct 12, 11:13
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Erik- I've never seen company officials been so open about their strategies and policies before. I (and every other gurupie on this board, I presume) thank you for that. I think that the pricing you've set up is about as good a pitch as you can make for the pay for play system- but one can never expect everyone to be happy with it (no matter how reasonable).
I'm curious about a couple of things:
1. The success of the Starting 5 game. Based on it's popularity, I think 3-for-all might have made a great free version of the Fantasy game as it meets the benefits you've previously listed for Starting 5 (simplicity, weekly updates, knowledgeable predictions required) and has recognition going for it (perhaps and idea for the future...)
2. TSN has already offered a Gurupie discount and you were contemplating a reduced fare to allow people to continue their side games- why? It seems strange that a company would do so much to appease what I'd guess is a small fraction of its user base.
Either way, if the success of a business is dependent on the efforts of its workers, I think TSN Fantasy Sports Division has a bright future ahead of it. Thanks and good luck.
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| 32 | ThugPassion
ID: 09141217
Fri, Oct 12, 17:28
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I have been playing Smallworld Hoops for the past 4 years, and I have always been sucessful (1000 or lower). However, I have never been better than 200 and I don't expect to be this year. The best part of this game, though, was competing with my friends. In my opinion, there should be a pay game with prizes, but also the same 10 player game without prizes which you can play for free (or possibly a cheapie prize to the top 10 overall). We usually lose interest by mid December when players start getting injured and we start to slip in the rankings. I don't think any of us would be willing to pay 10 bucks for something we'll most likely give up on in a month because its just too much work for too little a reward. We'd all do the free game, cause for the month of October, we all have a great time.
But back to the orignial topic, are there any other suggestions for free fantasy hoops games? CNN/SI ran an identical game to Smallworld last year, but I doubut they'll be doing that again with TSN controlling the show now.
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| 33 | CPT
ID: 57361110
Sat, Oct 13, 19:03
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Fantasy Sports Unlimited has their fantasy basketball game open now. While its no Smallworld, it is a decent game, with the salary cap format, trades, and a roster of 11 [i think]. And, at least its free, which is more than we can say for SW now.
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| 34 | Pilewort
Donor
ID: 347142619
Sun, Oct 14x, 01:44
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I'll check it out, CPT. I'd pay for a full version of SW Hoops, but $10 is a bit steeper than I'd have guessed they'd charge.
I understand they have to charge, but sheeee-it, $10 was sort of a shocker. Was expecting $5-$7 at least for the first year.
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| 35 | Dre'
ID: 10920151
Mon, Oct 15, 01:42
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UH OH TSN/Smallworld!!! I think you have some competition!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I checked out The Fantasy Sports Unlimited site and it is the closest thing I've seen to date to TSN/Smallworld. There are 11 players to a team and the extra player is a third Center slot.
Choose as many teams as you like for FREE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
One major difference is the salary cap to begin with. You start out with 23 mil instead of 50 but I haven't looked at player prices as of yet. Unlimited trades right now until the beginning of the season. Until I review player pricing, I would guess that it would be kind of challenging to put a good team together with that little cash. That's thinking in TSN/Smallworld terms of pricing. Pretty cool!!!! Instead of giving the differences I see, I'll just list the Rules below:
Official Game Rules
Introduction
Fantasy Basketball 2K1 is the most exciting fantasy basketball game on the Internet. You can join a league and go head to head against fantasy basketball players worldwide. Compete all season long in a Division league of 25 teams. Best of all it's absolutley free.
Legal STUFF
All participants must agree to abide by the terms of these official rules which are final and binding on all matters pertaining to the game.
Signing Up
To sign up click on the register link to the left. Fill out of the form and your on the way to play the ultimate fantasy basketball game.
Sportsmanship
If a user does not comply to general sportsmanship rules, FSU reserves the right to disqualify the user. If a user is found to be in violation, FSU will contact the user for an explanation. Once the explanation has been evaluated by FSU, a decision will be made whether or not to disqualify the teams in question or leave them intact. The final decision made will be communicated to all members within the division in question. All decisions by FSU in this matter will be final.
Roster Lock and Stat Updates
Your roster locks at 12 Noon CST for the weekday games and 12 Noon CST for the weekend games. After that trades you make will count towards tomarrow's games. You do not have to have a full roster to receive points. Stats are updated by 10 AM CST at the latest.
Salarys
Salarys stay constant they do not fluctuate at the end of the season they are reviewed and changed for next years games. However you can increase your salary cap by being in the top 50 weekly teams.
Teams
Each team consists of 11 players(3 Centers, 4 Forwards and 4 Guards). The only rule is that you stay under your $23 Million salary cap. Once your team is in place you can make trades at your own risk.
Scoring
Points +3
Offensive Rebounds +5
Defensive Rebounds +10
Blocks +10
Steals +10
Assists +5
Trades
You are given 300 trades for the entire season.
Prizes
Prizes will be announced at the end of the season.
Unexpected Problems
In the event of a strike or a natural disaster that prevents the NBA season to finish no winners will be named. If a game is cancelled due to weather or other unavoidable circumstances. Stats will be put in when the game is made up.
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| 36 | Dre'
ID: 10920151
Mon, Oct 15, 01:48
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Tradeaholics Beware!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You are given 300 trades for the entire season.
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| 37 | Maasman
ID: 3792153
Mon, Oct 15, 03:02
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Has anyone tried swirve's game? It looks a lot like SW's format, and it's free.
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| 38 | biliruben
Sustainer
ID: 3502218
Mon, Oct 15, 14:30
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No changes in pricing and prices announced at the END of the season?
I guess that's one way to make it free.
I do like the ability to leave spots empty.
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| 39 | prefek
ID: 429141512
Mon, Oct 15, 14:48
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This doesn't look like a very viable option to me. COnsider the roster I put together:
C Shaquille O'Neal
C Dikembe Mutombo
C Alonzo Mourning
F Tim Duncan
F Kevin Garnett
F Danny Fortson
F Grant Hill
G Kobe Bryant
G Steve Francis
G Michael Jordan
G Kerry Kittles
I made out like a bandit!
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| 40 | biliruben
Sustainer
ID: 3502218
Mon, Oct 15, 15:09
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Are they paying them in 1972 dollars!?! Sheesh.
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| 41 | DR Stars
ID: 162592010
Mon, Oct 15, 15:49
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Really not the same, not attractive to me either.
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| 42 | KnicksFan
Donor
ID: 57832250
Mon, Oct 15, 15:56
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defensive rebounds are worth twice as much as offensive rebounds? that sounds fishy. this game is much more basic than TSN. doesnt sound like much of a challenge.
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| 43 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Mon, Oct 15, 16:39
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I don't think Swirve has released their game yet. In Hockey, they completely revised the format, moving to a "pick the winner" structure.
Last year, I recall they had licensing troubles with the NBA, resulting in a late launch. And I'm sure they are having troubles making ends meet, too. So the status quo may not fly this year.
Progressive Sports Challenge has launched its free game. Info on free PSC game
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| 44 | VIDevilRays
Leader
ID: 29439176
Mon, Oct 15, 16:56
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The free TSN game looks pretty interesting in its own right. Two trades per week, weekly price increases, five players. As a friend of mine said-low maintenance!
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| 45 | 2PaC
ID: 17039320
Mon, Oct 15, 17:18
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are their any prizes to the free tsn b-ball game??
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| 46 | mr g
ID: 15311150
Tue, Oct 16, 21:51
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i've won cash and shirts at other sites, i don't known what the prize are but i think their are none, i love winning the shirt more then the cash, i've had a lot of people ask me about my sandbox shirt, and now some of them play thier, i want a smallworld and swirve shirt damb it, i know the the top 100 in midseason baseball get a 25$ prize, i hope it a shirt,
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| 47 | Ref
ID: 1442849
Thu, Oct 18, 14:26
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Dre, I don't like their scoring system at all. what do you think?
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| 48 | The_Beast
ID: 1198318
Thu, Oct 18, 19:39
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Yeah heres a question for everyone: Your a 15 yr. old kid. It is almost impossible to get a legal credit card. Your parents think its foolish to waste money on an online game when I can play High Heat 2002 any time I want. I agree with my parents, and am stuck with the toned down version of SW Hoops. I understand that a profit must be made, but what about TSN taking a great learning tool away from the youth?
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| 49 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Thu, Oct 18, 19:50
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If it's a great learning tool, then why do you agree with your parents? Is High Heat 2002 a great learning tool?
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| 50 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Thu, Oct 18, 19:52
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For those of you who think the TSN free game is lame, count your blessings.
Check out the new Swirve game.
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| 51 | prefek
ID: 369481819
Thu, Oct 18, 19:58
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Yeah, I just saw that. I would've posted a link, but I didn't even think it was worth linking to. How many people are there exactly that love playing playing 6 month long games but only 5 minutes at a time once a week?
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| 52 | tduncan
ID: 47616279
Thu, Oct 18, 20:43
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just great... lets see who will win the swirve football and will be remembered as the winner of the last swirve fantasy sports game... sad end to once great game.
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| 53 | jedman
Sustainer
ID: 40746414
Thu, Oct 18, 21:24
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So much for playing Swirve. I wonder what they'll do to Baseball next year.
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| 54 | Shelby-villian
ID: 18502911
Thu, Oct 18, 21:35
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That's gotta be one of the lamest games- where exactly does the 'survival' part of 'basketball survival' apply?
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| 55 | valkyrie
Leader
ID: 51815210
Thu, Oct 18, 21:40
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It's really too bad I enjoyed playing Swerve/Echelon for years. I think perhaps they just should have folded it up rather than offering whatever they call the new format.
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| 56 | Dre'
ID: 10920151
Thu, Oct 18, 21:42
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Ref - I wrote a whole lot of stuff detailing my thoughts but for some reason it wouldn't post from Netscape 6 for me. When I went back everything was gone.
Anyway, after further review the game isn't at all the same. It's not for us hardcore Gurupies that's for sure!
I'm still undecided as to what I'll do this season. It's not the dough, it's all of the time I'll take from the fam!
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| 57 | Fatal Image
ID: 35601219
Fri, Oct 19, 05:01
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oh no.. so unfortunate what happened to Swirve :(
I really hope they get back on track in time for baseball, but it doesn't look good. I can't see these 'Survival' game being very popular
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| 58 | Fool Sized Cahuna
ID: 7951916
Fri, Oct 19, 16:51
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I paid to play in the Ultimate Hoops League last year. I think I finished 17th WWR.
I have given money to the Guru.
I played free Fantasy Hoops last year.
I had more fun in the free Fantasy Hoops league because only a few of my friends played in the ultimate hoops league.
I AM UNHAPPY WITH THE CHANGES IN THE FREE GAME. I think it would have been better to completely remove the free game.
Sincerely,
Paying Customer and 4 Sport Player.
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| 59 | Blooki
ID: 359321514
Wed, Oct 24, 2001, 13:57
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Fool Sized Cahuna -
Totally agree with you man. I bought three teams in this year's Ultimate Fantasy Hoops and I am looking forward to playing. I have no beef myself with the pay-to-play policy TSN has adopted, but I do miss forming divisions with all of my friends. Before the details to the game were released, I had already begun inviting many friends to play with me. Now... all but one of them has dropped out due to the imposed fee. I understand TSN's position, but I also miss having a close-knit division of personal friends AND a great fantasy basketball game to play with them (sorry, free 5-player Hoops won't do).
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| 60 | Erik B.
ID: 48830517
Wed, Oct 24, 2001, 16:23
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Gang --
For the last time, we did the best we could, knowing that we have to bring in some revenue while keeping our core users happy.
As to Beast, the answer is simple -- we don't care about America's youth. We want them all catatonic, flickering on High Heat 2001. (Just joking.)
-ESB
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| 61 | rfs @ work
ID: 18932239
Wed, Oct 24, 2001, 16:28
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Erik B:
You should probably save your sanity and stop responding about the pay VS free topic.
I'll bet there will be at least 10 more owners come in and post about how disgruntled they are as the season grows near. Their post will be self serving and only in consideration of their own agenda. Usually they don't even take time to read the previous threads as to the reasons and debate.
rfs
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| 62 | Lovebone
ID: 399122517
Thu, Oct 25, 2001, 17:35
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It may have already been said, but the best part of Smallworld (TSN, whatever) was playing with a group of friends. I don't think I can round up 8 friends willing to pay 12 bucks each. Why not a ten player game with no prizes with a flat rate for a private division. $25 bucks for some amateurs to play the same game they have been playing is $25 more than Smallworld will end up getting from our group.
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| 63 | PSCommish
ID: 87352923
Mon, Oct 29, 2001, 19:47
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Erik,
Although it's a little late for Hoops you may want to consider adding a "Public Leagues" feature. We did this for our contest and have gotten favorable response. As long time players, we realized the best part (although cash is nice) of fantasy sports is busting your buddy's chops when they stink it up!
All our teams compete in their random divisions for prizes, but can join a "Public League" for bragging rights / trash-talk for fun.
I'd be glad to show you a few easy steps so you databases can accomodate this feature. Just let me know.
FWIW,
Chris Adams
"The Commish"
www.pschallenge.com
"Where the prizes grow!"
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| 64 | slimer
ID: 578511919
Mon, Oct 29, 2001, 23:38
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I decided to throw together a team at fantasy sports unlimited. Anyone who is interested, I made a public division called "Ex-Smallworld GMs" I figured I would see how easy this league is.
I'm not into fantasy basketball enough to pay. I will throw together a 5 man team and a team in this other league and that's enough for me. I wasn't planning on playing basketball this year anyhow.
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| 65 | E
ID: 561121314
Mon, Dec 31, 2001, 04:23
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BUTT
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