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Subject: Ultimate Draft Kit
Posted by: Janitor
- [359291419] Sun, Oct 14x, 22:12
TSN is offering a bunch of NBA and fantasy hoops previews and analysis on their website for $4.95 to download. I would really like to get a copy, but would rather not pay. Here is the link for people curious about the kit.
If someone who bought it would email it to me or post it on the boards that would be truly awesome of them. Also if Erik or Bernie wants to share it with their Gurupie friends then that would be cool as well. Thanks. |
| 1 | Tortfeasor
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Mon, Oct 15, 06:47
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So you want the kit, but you want us to pay... ;)
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| 2 | rockafellerskank
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ID: 4997158
Mon, Oct 15, 08:22
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Janitor-
I purchased their product for football. It was pretty decent stuff, but there wasn't anything (except TSN's opinions) that you can't get from rotowire or elsewhere. It had nice organization though.
The file is in .pdf format for acrobat reader. tho problems:
1. It's huge- too big to e-mail (unless you zip it)
2. They update it daily, so the info changes. You have to be a "paid" subscriber to get the updates.
rfs
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| 3 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Mon, Oct 15, 08:28
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Janitor - what you are asking for is not only illegal, but highly unethical.
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| 4 | culdeus
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ID: 4950158
Mon, Oct 15, 09:14
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If it's between supermarket mag and PAYING for this I'd do the TSN kit.
Lot's of their updates though come out in the little green circles that everyone gets anyways.
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| 5 | Janitor
ID: 159431510
Mon, Oct 15, 11:09
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Thanks for the info rfs. I already bought TSN NBA Preview Mag, but this Draft Kit seems way more in depth.
I apologize if I was trying to get something for nothing. Feel free to delete this thread if you feel it is in bad taste.
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| 6 | Ender
ID: 52438315
Mon, Oct 15, 11:38
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if?
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| 7 | BlackMagicBaller
ID: 568312917
Tue, Oct 16, 02:22
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Is it just me or does anyone else think that those of us that bought their fantasy game should have access to this particular product?
Ah yes, intellectual property rights. What's the latest on databases and intellectual property rights (tortfeasor?). What's the going rate for websites/fantasy games to gain licensed access to display or use the NBA's database property rights per their Terms of Use. Did the NBA raise their licensing fee in response to websites/fantasy games charging fee's or,...did websites/fantasy games start charging fees in response to the NBA raising licensing? hmmm
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| 8 | Ender
ID: 52438315
Tue, Oct 16, 06:40
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That's a fair question. I would consider that a value-added feature for the pay game.
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| 9 | Erik B.
ID: 48830517
Tue, Oct 16, 07:48
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BMB:
A fair question, indeed. There are issues behind this -- one is that in "bundling," companies typically charge more for their basic product. Because we think we needed to charge at least $6-7 per team, and because we need to make $3-5 per draft kit in order to produce it, it become very challenging to put out a combined product without raising the bottom price, which we didn't want to do.
Now, we could have easily thrown in a draft kit for anyone who purchased a three-pack or magazine sub + one team . . . Would that have made a difference? Is that something you'd like to see for baseball?
-ESB
GM
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| 10 | DR Stars
ID: 162592010
Tue, Oct 16, 08:22
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If you get three teams you should get the draft kit, that'll push more people into buying the combo...
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| 11 | Ender
ID: 52438315
Tue, Oct 16, 08:35
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I agree. I understand your point about purchasing a single team. I think it would encourage people to buy the 3 team package. At the very least it would reward the people willing to pay ~$20 to play.
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| 12 | Erik B.
ID: 19923169
Tue, Oct 16, 09:28
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Ender, DR:
It's something we'll definitely think about for Baseball.
-ESB
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| 13 | Tortfeasor
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Tue, Oct 16, 12:45
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BMB-
For me to find that out would require lots more research than I have time for, but I can tell you that the type of information that TSN would be using is not protected by any type of intellectual property rights. I'm referring to the stats and player names, etc, and not any NBA created property. What I mean is that the "facts"--stats, what happened in a game, player names, and the like--are not protected under any intellectual property scheme because that would be like allowing the US government to copyright or trademark the bombings on Kabul. In other words, you can't do it. As long as TSN isn't using anything written or rendered that the NBA has created (drawn, written, or otherwise), then there's no problem with using NBA information. I think that's what you're asking. if not let me know.
Now with the player information pages, etc, that the NBA has created for its own use on its own website, you can't use that for other than private use unless you have the NBA's permission. But the stats that TSN would use to create this database of information about the players, that's fair game.
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| 14 | BlackMagicBaller
ID: 568312917
Tue, Oct 16, 15:50
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Here are some links to what I was refering to. Hard to believe that its been 5 years.
Basically, in 1996 WIPO (world itellectual property rights org.) had started a database treaty. This would have allowed database owners (ie: NBA) to sell their data to anyone that would sell that information (newspapers, magazines, websites etc.). I believe WIPO eventually withdrew the treaty after a couple of weeks.
A Primer on WIPO by James Love
The NBA sued Motorola/STATS
STATS, Inc. on WIPO Database Treaty and Sports Statistics
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| 15 | Tortfeasor
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ID: 469202110
Tue, Oct 16, 18:07
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I think it was interesting that the letter you linked to points out that the treaty would also pose problems for financial reporters. Hadn't really thought of that, but it's pretty much the same thing. I'm sticking by my former statement, which I think that letter does a good job of fleshing out. You can't copyright the "facts" of a game--what happened in the game, etc. But you can copyright your rendition of the game (the broadcast, etc). There is no problem with using NBA statistics to create a database of information and then selling it. There was a case called Feist Publications, Inc. v. Rural Telephone Serv. Co., 499 U.S. 340, that held thus.
In Feist, basically what happened was that the Yellow Pages sued a competitor because the competitor had used the telephone numbers and addresses, gleaned from the Yellow Pages, to create its own, supposedly improved, phone directory. The court held that such a use was not copyright infringement because things such as phone numbers and addresses are not copyrightable in themselves; only the expression of those phone numbers in the particular manner that the author has used is copyrightable.
This is actually a somewhat complex idea. Using an example to illustrate the way the idea works, Shakespeare couldn't have copyrighted the "facts" of Romeo and Juliet; that is, he couldn't have copyrighted the plot and what happened in the story. However, he could have coprighted the actual play itself, and if anyone copyrighted his specific expression (his actual words) of that plot, he could sue for copyright infringement.
Make sense? That's a quick rundown of that area of copyright law.
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| 16 | Jodie
ID: 4671234
Wed, Aug 03, 2011, 05:12
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Yeah, that's the tciekt, sir or ma'am
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