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Subject: Roster strategies
Posted by: Ender
- [13443221] Thu, Oct 25, 2001, 14:22
Here's another thread for you all :)
I'd like to hear what kind of strategies folks are going to emply early. rfs's primer is a good place to start, but I am looking for more. I know what I like to do and will employ at least 2 different strategies to start the season, but am interested in other perspectives. I'll have one team that's made up of a couple cheap guards and mid-range forwards which I would like to hold until I have 8 trades in the bank. I will also draft a barbell team with at least 3 really cheap players and stack the other slots with higher priced players.
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| 1 | DR Stars
ID: 162592010
Thu, Oct 25, 2001, 15:14
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This was needed Ender, thanks for starting this thread.
I also have two teams.
Both of my teams follow your first strategy, in one of them I have a cheaper guard offsetting a mid range forward, and in the other I have cheap guard and forward for an extra stud guard. I'm staying away from stud Forwards or centers to start the game, and also so far from 500k players.
The strategy of saving at least 7 trades after the first two weeks is on, that means planning for saving all 8.
I have a question, how much should you leave in the bank? Is 2M too much? Is 300k too little? One of my teams has 0 left in the bank, I'm not sure that configuration will 'graduate' to start the season.
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| 2 | Ender
ID: 13443221
Thu, Oct 25, 2001, 15:22
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That's a good question DR Stars. IMO there isn't a set amount to leave in the bank. I think the MOST important thing is to have a 10 man roster you are happy with. That being said, it's the makeup of that roster that should dictate your cash buffer. If you are drafting a couple 500K guys, you ought to have about $2 mill (more?) as a buffer should you have to move the 500K players. That can save you an extra trade that you would have to use to move a higher priced player to free up $$$ to upgrade your 500K player. You may want to have a similar buffer if you're drafting $1.5 mill or $2 mill players rather than 500k players.
If you are playing it safer with midrange players you need less of a buffer because you can move into productive players in the same price range (or cheaper) easily, so you do not need extra $$$.
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| 3 | CanEHdian Pride
ID: 426351415
Thu, Oct 25, 2001, 15:28
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That is my hang up with holding 500k players. By having to hold a cash reserve in case of "cheapie blowout" you are in effect not getting the player for 500k.
Some may argue that this is the price you pay to gain money but I'd rather read and react then tie up more money then I have to to guard against a cheapie blowout. I've put together a roster with noone I'd consider a "cheapie" and have very little cash reserves left over. I feel like I'm getting the most bang for my buck. If I do opt for a cheapie it will only be if I believe that they are worth holding for a good portion of time and I will not "insure" them by putting aside extra funds to protect against a blowout.
Cheapies are there to make money and to maximize "bang for buck" if they are tieing up more money then their price tag their "value" has to be put in question.
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| 4 | havenbros
Donor
ID: 54930129
Thu, Oct 25, 2001, 15:52
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I've filled two of my teams so far. On one I took lower priced Cs and barbelled a couple of $500K guys (Adrian Griffin will be on every one of my teams) with studs Payton, Jordan and Jamison, then filled in with mid-rangers with good scheds. On the other I'm trying to make money more quickly and have sacrificed some schedule efficiency to get guys I think are underpriced. On that team, I've flagged a couple of other potential money-makers who I'll grab during the first week or so once their schedule picks up. Not sure what the strategy will be for the third team.
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| 5 | VIDevilRays
Leader
ID: 0502611
Thu, Oct 25, 2001, 16:30
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My best roster I have come up with has two 500k players on it. Cannot lose any money but can gain. I don't know if I will stick with that but I love the productivity of 500k players when your rv is only 50 mil. I do not like trading into those players since their fame is usually fleeting. I think you just have to enjoy the run while you can. The problem is that I am just not comfortable with that roster as far as scheduling; will have to burn at least two, maybe more, the second week of the season.
I am also concerned with getting off to a slow start and having to play catch up the rest of the season. Everybody remember the start Monuments had last season?
I guess something will have to suffer. I am just not sure yet which theory it will be. But since I detest slow starts I guess you can tell the direction I am leaning in.
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| 6 | DR Stars
ID: 162592010
Fri, Oct 26, 2001, 10:54
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VID, I can't convince myself to fing a spot for 1 500k player and you have 2, who?
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| 7 | JCS
ID: 136251215
Fri, Oct 26, 2001, 13:28
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I also have two 500K players....
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| 8 | Ender
ID: 13443221
Fri, Oct 26, 2001, 13:40
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There's definitely 2 viable options for 500k. I can name 3 and another under a mill, but I wouldn't gamble that much.
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| 9 | VIDevilRays
ID: 22947267
Fri, Oct 26, 2001, 14:01
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Yep-agree Ender. Don't think I would gamble that much either.
Anyway, subject to probable change right now I have Bender and Kirilenko. 10 TSNP per game per player is all I'm asking, which is very productive for a 500k player. But as I said, my roster changes everyday.
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| 10 | rockafellerskank
Donor
ID: 4917268
Fri, Oct 26, 2001, 14:18
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Here is a list of players that MIGHT make some waves undr $1M in my estimation.
As in all cases w/ these players: BUYER BEWARE !
Ryan Bowen, DEN, F $960k
Raja Bell, PHI, G $840k
Cal Bowlder ATL, F $500k
Jonathon Bender, IND, F $500k
Abdul-wahad, Tariq, DEN, G $500k
Greg Foster, NIL, C, $500k
Jud Beuchler, PHO, G $500k
Walter McCarty, BOS, F $500k
Kirilenko, Andrei, UTA, F $500k
Eddie House, MIA, G $500k
Daniel Santiago, PHO, C $500k
Adrian Griffin, DAL, G $500k
Michael Redd, MIL, G $500k
Chris Herren, BOS, G $500k
Etan Thomas, WAS, F $1,000M
I'm sure I missed a few. Happy shopping
rfs
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| 11 | Ender
ID: 13443221
Fri, Oct 26, 2001, 14:26
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Chris "The Red" Herren again!!!
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| 12 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Fri, Oct 26, 2001, 14:32
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A caution on cheapies:
10 TSNP/game might be good productivity, but it will not get any player on the trade radar, other than perhaps at center.
For any player to get much notice, he'll need to average better than 20 TSNP/game. That threshhold probably won't land a player in the top 25, but it might get them in the top 50 at a position. But 10 TSNP/game probably won't even make the top 100.
I wouldn't be inclined to draft any cheap player unless I thought they could clear 20 TSNP/g. I certainly wouldn't take anyone that I only expected 10 TSNP/game from.
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| 13 | JCS
ID: 136251215
Fri, Oct 26, 2001, 14:40
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I have Kirilenko and Griffin right now, and I used to also have Bender, but with Rose back for the beginning of the season, he lost his attractiveness to me.
I believe Kirilenko will be solid and get about 20 TSNP/G.
I'm not overly confident in Griffin ...I'm not sure how much PT he will get. Buckner seems to get a lot of PT and they play about the same position.
It's true that Raja Bell looks good too, maybe more than Claxton since the Coleman trade.But the early schedule goes awful after the third game, really...
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| 14 | rockafellerskank
Donor
ID: 4917268
Fri, Oct 26, 2001, 14:46
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RE: cheapies and money making...I guess my interest in cheapies lies in the area of freeing up max money for studs. I think price gains are usually realized early on based on players in the range of $2M to $5M.
This is for 3 reasons:
1.They are probably not total no-names w/ a price in the mid-range. The average Joe has heard of them.
2. The can clear the 20 PPG hurdle that Guru talks about, which i agree with.
3. They are affordable and easy to move into and out of on amost any roster combination w/ only 1 trade. As opposed to an $8M player that might require 2-3 trades to manuver into.
Back to the $500k players.... 1 or 2 on a roster can mean the difference between drafting Eddie Robinson and being able to upgrade to Peja (for example)
rfs
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| 15 | VIDevilRays
ID: 22947267
Fri, Oct 26, 2001, 15:16
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Of course you hope for more production from those cheap players, which, I would think, is the only reason they are drafted in the first place.
But what I meant to say was that I can live with 10 TSN per game from them, rather than investing more money in a more expensive player who may end up producing similar numbers.
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| 16 | JCS
ID: 2393814
Sun, Oct 20, 2002, 17:37
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BUTT - all the comments in this thread still apply for this year, only the names change: switch Kirilenko and Griffin with Jaric and Woods for example.
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| 17 | grEEr
ID: 15901611
Sun, Oct 20, 2002, 18:57
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PLEAS EXCUSE THIS>
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2002 DISCUSSION STARTS NOW!!!
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| 18 | grEEr
ID: 15901611
Sun, Oct 20, 2002, 19:00
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I hear alot of talk reguarding HOLDING on to trades. Is this the best strat??? I have a few rosters where i could burn 3 trades a week and start out real nice.
(Miles, HIll, McGrady) trading them all befor there first lay off.
OR
Is it better to grab a bunch of CHEPIES (jarick, girick, satterfield, gooden, mccoy) and fill the rest with STUDS.
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| 19 | grEEr
ID: 15901611
Sun, Oct 20, 2002, 19:02
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Paris, u think have all 3 BIG FOWARDS WILL PAY OFF???
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| 20 | Ender
ID: 13443221
Sun, Oct 20, 2002, 19:28
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What happened to the formatting in this thread? Can a moderator clean it up?
Is this better, Ender?
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| 21 | gibby88
ID: 50451220
Sun, Oct 20, 2002, 19:31
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OT: Hey Ender...Hard to believe it's almost November. (Bring on Thanksgiving Break!!:))
My school year is going well...I teach Science and have been conducting many water quality tests on a local stream with my students..busy, busy!
You?
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| 22 | Ender
ID: 13443221
Mon, Oct 21, 2002, 00:46
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Sounds like fun, Gibby! I'm knee deep in State Proficiencies discussions in addition to picking my real basketball team (7th grade boys) in the midst of contemplating drafting my fantasy teams. I will be busy with real hoops for the next 6 months (boys and girls)!
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| 23 | gibby88
ID: 50451220
Tue, Oct 22, 2002, 00:10
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I passed on hoops for Track....last week of 7th Grade Varsity VB ...had a HUGE win tonight....
Good luck with hoops!
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| 24 | Stuck in the Sixties
Leader
ID: 12451279
Tue, Oct 22, 2002, 01:40
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I guess I'll be barbelling again this year. I love the flexibility it gives and it also makes it possible to play the schedule for just two or three key players, thus conserving trades.
As far as cheapies, I think Glen Rice is an absolute steal. He'll actually be starting in Houston and still has a wonderful perimeter shot.
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