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Subject: What's Happened to this Forum?
Posted by: keep it real
- [51401220] Fri, Mar 01, 2002, 12:02
What has happened to the level of this forum? Where are all the gurupies that used to contribute? Myself I've had to move all over the country, and without a home internet connection have not been able to maintain my same rotoguru ID name. I have been over these boards for the last 2 years, or so.
Has the level of the board went down, and causing members to leave, because of the introduction of this forum onto the TSN hoops site?
Just some concerned thoughts form a hoop fan.
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| 1 | Kings Fan
ID: 53182018
Fri, Mar 01, 2002, 12:07
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Maybe Guru can chime in on this, but I've noticed that lately we've got alot of worthless posts and premature action threads that add to the amount of time needed to get the info I'm looking for. I have noticed alot of new faces around here too, but few have much to contribute.
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| 2 | jedman
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ID: 2702357
Fri, Mar 01, 2002, 12:14
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I think the action threads posted by Dave R. and Ender were a tongue in cheek expression of the absurdity of some of the early threads that seem to occur so frequently and end up with 50 posts before a game even begins.
I don't mind the corny titles, but I have stopped reading the action threads myself because they contain virtually no talk about the ongoing games.
There is a place for the lively banter that makes these boards fun, but the action threads have deterioated to the point that they are unrecognizable as an action thread.
Almost every thread ends up with some sort of argument that just goes on and on.
Those are a few of the reasons I have stopped posting as much as I used to.
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| 3 | Dave R
Leader
ID: 19950318
Fri, Mar 01, 2002, 12:28
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Well said, Jedman. Yes indeed my thread was to hopefully make a point, but I'm willing to bet it won't make a difference.
The action thread titles are fine, and sometimes even funny, but the race to be the first to start one is absurd. Nothing worse than having to wade thru numerous posts of worthless information.
By the way, it should be time soon for Sundays Action Thread :)
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| 4 | C-Dawg
ID: 391141310
Fri, Mar 01, 2002, 12:41
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people are finally realizing that they do better without the forum
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| 5 | allhair allstars
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ID: 52112514
Fri, Mar 01, 2002, 13:02
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Ditto jedman and Dave R.
The "extra-curricular" action threads by Ender and Dave R. are the most fun I've had on the boards for a very long time. I think a lot of us are just blowing off some steam after all the pissing that's been going on in recent action threads. I'm not saying our jocularity is any more useful than people bashing each other because of thread titles, but it certainly is a lot more healthy. I'm talking about people having fun, not arguing for no good reason.
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| 6 | rockafellerskank
Donor
ID: 161412710
Fri, Mar 01, 2002, 13:04
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Ender & Dave R were just being dumbasses
:)
rfs ®
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| 7 | Mark L
Leader
ID: 4444938
Fri, Mar 01, 2002, 13:06
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Oh, Allhair, as they said in Blazing Saddles, blow it out your [vulgarity deleted].
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| 8 | DR Stars
ID: 162592010
Fri, Mar 01, 2002, 13:43
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Or maybe we're just being morons.
;)
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| 9 | Hillbilly Delight
Donor
ID: 341571711
Fri, Mar 01, 2002, 14:06
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One more time for clarification,
I started the action thread yesterday early ONLY b/c the previous two were deleted by the poster during the action.
I don't know if some of your remarks are towards me. Honestly, I hope not. However, if any comments are directed at me, I feel I was justified for starting it at that time.
I am one of the people directed from the TSN site. However, I have tried to contribute information, opinions, and some humor every now and then.
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| 10 | Farn
ID: 171128623
Fri, Mar 01, 2002, 14:08
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i appreciate your help HB. you are da man behind the injury thread being so up to date.
on that same note, i want to thank Michael for the March injury thread. that has kept me lol for a while.
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| 11 | Im Better than Marve
ID: 526114
Fri, Mar 01, 2002, 14:08
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Even though I only started using these boards this season I too have noticed the difference! I am wondering what has happened. I think everyone needs to stop and think before they make a thread and evaluate how important it will be to other people!
My id number is different cause im using an internet phone in Newark Airport(Its so cool)!
:-) IBTM
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| 12 | Micheal
ID: 567421419
Fri, Mar 01, 2002, 14:11
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Thanks, Farn, but I'm banned so it's not really there. Just your imagination:)
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| 13 | bd
ID: 261033715
Fri, Mar 01, 2002, 14:46
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Over the last few days, I feel the value of the board has deteriorated rapidly. While I enjoy some fun (I've even posted in a couple of the following) there are currently action threads for tonight and tomorrow with 62 and 61 posts respectively, a fictitious injury thread, threads about the number of Kirilenko blocks and mariner hirings. These have brought the boards to a level that make them seem almost useless.
As for the action threads, it was enjoyable reading about what was going on during various games you might not be able to see locally. Now, you either get very little activity OR a lot of activity about everything except the games taking place that night.
I understand and appreciate the sarcasm of Dave R and Ender and their starting of the early action threads. Have some fun, BUT THEN DELETE THEM so they don't clutter up and distract from the boards.
I no longer feel like I am wading through to find useful information, I feel I am swimming upstream against a large current.
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| 14 | blue hen, almighty
Leader
ID: 34937217
Fri, Mar 01, 2002, 14:56
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Well, one thing is constant around here: people complaining about how bad things are now and remembering how good they were once.
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| 15 | James K Polk
ID: 4455731
Fri, Mar 01, 2002, 15:25
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You know, I remember how great blue hen used to be. But he's so contentious now.
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| 16 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Fri, Mar 01, 2002, 15:25
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Agreed, BH.
That's been pretty much constant for the last 1-1/2 years.
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| 17 | TF
ID: 230262213
Fri, Mar 01, 2002, 15:26
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Although all these seem to be good points, i think the main reason for the lack of good steady advice is that all the top players are in close competition in the pay game. When there is money on the line, things change. That means every move and strategy needs to stay as low profile as possible. After all, if a player call is correct (based on past production (near and long term), future projection production, and schedule), you can bank the points before everyone and count on everyone following eventually for money gains. So there is no need to hype players, like in baseball.
Once the selfish need for advice giving is removed, most people will choose to remain silent.
Or chew the fat. I am not an exception.
As for the action threads, i think they are a integral part of the board. Game time every night is the only time that most readers will spend time looking at the board. It is also at that time that players can respond real time and talk to other players with the chance that they will respond. I realilze that some of the lurkers and non-regulars are sometimes afraid to post due to incurring a regular's wrath, but the game threads often provide a more informal setting in which to comment. As long as its related to basketball and a function of that night's action, you will be ok.
I understand hilld's wish to start an action thread early so that he could reserve the right to delete or not delete it, but shouldn't action threads not be posted until an hour to 30 minutes before the first game that day? If its before, its clearly "pre-game action"
Peace out,
TF
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| 18 | MyLakers
ID: 32161623
Fri, Mar 01, 2002, 16:04
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TF, I have also come to that conclusion just as you have. The elite players probably will not be sharing their advice in a pay game becasue the money is on the line. I hope that I am not insulting anyone with my thoughts but I am willing to be corrected if you can show me where I am wrong. There is some good advice here and I have asked for and received some very good advice at times, but, getting some advice to help me figure out how to move from the 300 to 800 ranks to top 150 just isnt here. Usually when I post anymore it is just to comment on someone elses thoughts or to ask for specific advice. I would kill to have one of the really good guys let me know how to change my strategy for the better. In the end I think you have to accept where we are, quality wise, and go on or leave. I choose to stay because I like a lot of the folks here and because it is easy to skip a useless thread if I wish.
myl
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| 19 | biliruben
Sustainer
ID: 3502218
Fri, Mar 01, 2002, 16:19
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I think you may be right to a certain extent regarding the pay to play causing folks to become more mum, but I think a more important reason is just that these games have been played for many years, and the elite players just get bored of rehashing many of the tried and true, but well discussed (in the past) strategies. This is particularly true when those most active in posting the the board are rather disrespectful of the people who have been here longer, and their ideas.
The golden age of this board (actually one or two physical boards ago), when a number of elite players congregated here to talk among themselves and to share strategies seems to be past. There just isn't too much new to discuss. It isn't as interesting, and frankly rather presumptious, to tutor others. You like to discuss things with people you consider your equals.
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| 20 | jedman
Sustainer
ID: 2702357
Fri, Mar 01, 2002, 16:58
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I think a lot of strategy discussion has moved to Instant Messaging among friends. I know that I do most of my strategizing with people that I have become friends with through these boards over the years and have met up with personally. The strategy discussions evolve into other areas, such as family, jobs, etc. and I thoroughly enjoy that.
Add to that the contention that seems to come out every time you disagree with somebody and it's easy to say I don't need this aggravation and just not post.
With all of Guru's tools available, I don't understand why anybody needs to ask for that much advice and I think some of us who have been around for awhile get tired of the people being too lazy to learn about how to find the information for themselves. Thoughtful discussion about which of 2 players might be the best or who is emerging as a sleeper are totally appropriate but the constant "What should I do with my team" posts become a little too much for me. Some people enjoy that and it's fine, I find it gets tedious and therefore choose to avoid them
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| 21 | CanEHdian Pride
ID: 426351415
Fri, Mar 01, 2002, 17:00
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I think Jedman hit it on the head. AIM is extremely handy. Though without the forum my buddy list would be blank.
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| 22 | Bungers
ID: 5311343110
Fri, Mar 01, 2002, 17:03
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CEHP, (insert hen-like comment here).
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| 23 | blue hen, almighty
Leader
ID: 34937217
Fri, Mar 01, 2002, 17:26
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How about if the Hen makes a comment? CanEHdian_Pride is actually on my buddy list. But he's right (and so is James K Polk that bastard). Most of my best work here came before the age of the chatroom and AOL instant messenger. Now, if I have a question, it's just as easy to ask there, where they can answer immediately and ask for clarification if needed.
There is definitely still a lot on this board that exemplifies its purpose. This thread is great - there's plenty of smack talk and tips/instruction type info there. But, as you can see, a bunch of us have played this game for a while, and it gets tiresome to discuss such obvious strategies.
This would have been my 4th season playing Smallworld-type baseball, and, honestly, the game hasn't changed all that much. Sure, they went from 50 trades a season to 5 a week to daily repricing to Randro-killing, and all these ideas have been thoroughly discussed here. But when you get right down to it, it's buy low and sell high. Even though it took me two years to figure that out, I did, and every Gurupie knows about that. And few care, because we take it for granted.
Perhaps we need to challenge ourselves more. Smallworld and other games couldn't sate me, so I found my way to GSB. Then that game got boring and I went to SSB, and even four SSB teams couldn't keep me from starting Fantasy WWF. If you're bored with the SW/Yahoo/ESPheN/etc games, then why don't you come over to the SimSports forum and offer some statistical input.
Anyway, that's my thought. Perhaps we need some new games. Some new pursuits. Some new interests. Some new synonyms. Perhaps not.
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| 24 | Bungers
ID: 5311343110
Fri, Mar 01, 2002, 17:37
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...all that, hen, and no ass comments?
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| 25 | rockafellerskank
Donor
ID: 359283123
Fri, Mar 01, 2002, 17:48
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1. Most strategies have been discussed to death. The game (TSN) has been analyzed to death. There just isn't more ways to rehash all the same old topics. Buy ow, sell high, blah, blah, blah.
2. Today's problem: Action Threads
Previous Problems: Shaq -> ?????? Threads.
Next year's problem: Who knows, but there will be one.
3. Many Gurupies are "tired" of trying to direct new forum members in the right direction, thus let them find their own way.
4. If you want a taste of the old days, look in on the Belly Division Thread from time to time.
5. To be a good fantasy player, you have to do research. Watch Guru, KB8ers, Ref, Species, WAB's teams on the boards and track their teams. Learn from them, do not expect them to spoon feed you moves. What fun is that? "Here Ref, run my team"
6. I also think many old timers get frustrated with how lazy some posters are. For example.... "What happened to Player X?" ell, dude, go to roto world and look it up. It's as if many expect there to be a concierge to answer there every question.
7. Finally, I don't particularly think anything is WRONG with the forum, it's just a bit different than it used to be. I'm off to the mailbox to send another thank you check to Dave.
rfs ®
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| 26 | Seattle Zen
ID: 411302615
Fri, Mar 01, 2002, 18:34
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We need more people to steal things and post about it. Maybe we could branch into other illegal activities, like toxic waste dumping, insider trading, trafficing women across state lines, selling adulterated foodstuffs?
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| 27 | blue hen, almighty
Leader
ID: 27048221
Fri, Mar 01, 2002, 23:43
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RFS hit it with number 6. I hereby promise to mislead, misdirect, and ridicule anyone who posts a thread asking about a player. Moderators, feel free to delete the whole thread.
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| 28 | keep it real
ID: 51401220
Sat, Mar 02, 2002, 01:37
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good points RFS. your right there isn't anything wrong with thread, it's just different. anyone know what happened to THK?
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| 29 | Lutefisker
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ID: 5925621
Sat, Mar 02, 2002, 02:07
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I have noticed the deteriation of the thread in each and every season that I have been here... and it is part of the "animal". You see, att he beginning of the season there is a lot to talk about and a lot of interest in who is hot and who is not, who will make the team, who will be a starter, etc. Rumors and speculation fly high and the thread is vital.
As the season wears on and the hopes of actually placing first deminish... As the race goes on and the realization becomes a reality that those ahead of me are likely to stay ahead of me and those behind me probably won't catch up... As the chances of a truly unique find deminish and everyone begins "riding the same horse" and the few finds that remain are watered down with the realization that even if I do make a few extra hundred thousand on a player that I won't have time to turn those thousands into many points... so too does the vitality of the thread tend to drift and deminish.
Presently the baseball thread is vital... There is speculation as to who will be hot and who will not... There is speculation as to which rookies will wow em' and which will be busts... There is heated discussion about how healthy one player will be and whether or not his last years performance was typical of his future performance or a fluke.
But alas... wait for October and those questions will be answered and the sweet thoughts of being in first or the top 10 or top 100 will have faded away for most and that thread will have run its course also...
A flower for a season!
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| 30 | MyLakers
ID: 32161623
Sat, Mar 02, 2002, 02:47
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fellas
I appreciate your thoughts and beleive me, I got the buy low sell high bit, I got maximize your games per week and am near 40 games per week with my team. This is the obvious stuff that if you work at it makes you a high-mediocre player like myself. I do not mind looking up my info, and dont think I have been guilty of asking someone else to do it for me(at least not that I remember). I try to lay out what Im thinking and then ask what folks think of my direction. I truly do not want you folks to run my team for me, I would just like to figure out what I am doing that little bit wrong. I spend at least an hour a night and usually closer to 3 lookin into this stuff, and some little something is escaping me. Thats my explanation, Im not beggin for help, just lookin for a nudge in a better direction. If one of you guys in the top 150 or so wants to talk to me thru email, great, I listed my email address. I wont bring this up again and have enjoyed the discussion. Good-luck the rest of the way guys.
myl
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| 31 | biliruben
Sustainer
ID: 231045110
Sat, Mar 02, 2002, 09:50
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MyLakers - I'm not qualified to help you, as I only play TSN baseball and football, but I am guessing you ARE an elite player. If you are at 150 and have a roster value up near the top (65 million about now?), you are probably doing most things right and may very well end up in the top 100 to finish. Getting from this level to the next is often based on player evaluation with regard to match-ups and luck. Avoiding injuries so you can use your trades to maximize games instead finding a repalacement for Derrick Coleman etc... makes a big difference, but I just don't know enough about hoops to give you any specific advice.
It is a shame that the people who have become regulars on this board have not focused on fine tuning their methods and sharing with others, but I bet you can do something about it yourself. If you have specific ideas that you would like input on, start a thread that outlines them, and I am positive that more experienced users will look at it as a breath of fresh air and engage you in a good discussion of what you are doing right and what you are doing wrong and give you suggestions as to where they think you should go to bring you up to a higher level. The fact is, however, that the discussion will likely be more benenficial to you next year, rather than this. If hoops is like baseball, it is the decisions made 2 months ago that are keeping you down, not the decisions you are making now.
Put together an intriguing and challenging thread, and I bet they will come!
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| 32 | MyLakers
ID: 32161623
Sat, Mar 02, 2002, 14:37
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Thanks Biliruben, It is a good idea. I am not however in the top 150. I am about 800 right now and holding, unfortunately. I have a guy about 200 points ahead of me I cant seem to catch even when I think I have a better team. I will try to put together a thread and see what happens. I am also in baseball, I will post in those threads as MyDodgers.
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