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Subject: OT - which is the best draft year ever? Posted by: Julo - [284562816] Tue, Mar 26, 2002, 04:34 I was looking back on previous drafts, and wondered which year produced the best players today... ...and when I ended up at the 96 draft, I was blown off my seat! All-Stars: Baby O'neal Marbury Ray Allen Camby Shareef Antoine Walker Nash Kobe Peja Stojakovic (not too sure if he's 96.. anyone know?) Iverson Others: Wright, Kittles, Ilgauskas, Jerome Williams, Delk, Harrington, Jeff Mcinnis, Derek Fisher, Shandon Anderson I don't know too much about drafts before the 90s, but the '84 draft also comes to mind with Stockton, Olajuwon, and Barkley comin into the league... oh, and Jordan too :) so which is the best draft year? | |||||||
| 1 | JCS ID: 17237251 Tue, Mar 26, 2002, 05:41 |
What about the draft just after this one, in 97? #2 - Van Horn #3 - Chauncey Billups ! #4 - Antonio Daniels !! #5 - Tony Battie !!! #6 - Ron Mercer And it goes on and on... Actually I counted 8 first round players who are already out of the league. Incredible. Someone already put on this link But seriously, I totally agree with you, this draft was incredible... The 95' one was pretty solid too, and off course the 84' one... Speaking about the draft, I think the upcoming one will go down in history as one of the weakest, something comparable with what happened in 1997... Williams and Ming are the only players who look worthy of a top pick... Maybe Stoudemire can become very good too. But I don't see Wagner, Gooden, Dunleavy or (gasp) Chris Marcus becoming better than Billups Daniels or Battie... | ||||||
| 2 | Rangoon Goondog ID: 481442510 Tue, Mar 26, 2002, 10:05 | Gooden, Butler, Rush, Jason Williams, Ming, Frank Williams all look like they could be deserving lottery picks and real contributers. Everyone's been talking up this JuCo player named Qyntel Woods who's supposedly a 6'9 shooting gaurd/slasher type who can jump out of the gym. Those are just the players we know about, there's always a couple good players on teams that the casual fan doesn't catch. I think at the very least we can expect more out of this draft than last, and I think there's a good chance my Knicks will finally get some young talent. | ||||||
| 3 | JCS ID: 17237251 Tue, Mar 26, 2002, 11:12 |
I hope the Knicks don't blow up this one too.. But it's been a looong time since the last good Knicks draft pick... If Wagner is still available when they pick, it could be interesting. But you'll see we'll end up with Chris Marcus. I don't believe their draft staff, or their whole manage´ment for that matter anymore. I'd love so much to see them try to trade, like Spree and Camby for Odom and the Kandiman, and trade the draft pick + one of their PG for some young player... As I said, I don't believe at all in this year's draft, and I think guys like Maggette and Larry Hughes will be in the market for pretty cheap this summer... | ||||||
| 4 | KnicksFan Donor ID: 52255815 Tue, Mar 26, 2002, 12:29 |
I think 1986 could be the worst draft ever. Ron Harper, Brad Daugherty, Scott Skiles, and Sabonis are the best players there. 1. Cleveland - Brad Daugherty 2. Boston - Len Bias 3. Golden State - Chris Washburn 4. Indiana - Chuck Person 5. New York - Kenny Walker 6. Phoenix - William Bedford 7. Dallas - Roy Tarpley 8. Cleveland - Ron Harper 9. Chicago - Brad Sellers 10. San Antonio - Johnny Dawkins 11. Detroit - John Salley 12. Washington - John Williams 13. New Jersey - Dwayne Washington 14. Portland - Walter Berry 15. Utah - Dell Curry 16. Denver - Mo Martin 17. Sacramento - Harold Pressley 18. Denver - Mark Alarie 19. Atlanta - Billy Thompson 20. Houston - Buck Johnson 21. Washington - Anthony Jones 22. Milwaukee - Scott Skiles 23. LA Lakers - Ken Barlow 24. Portland - Arvidas Sabonis | ||||||
| 5 | Seattle Zen Donor ID: 411302615 Tue, Mar 26, 2002, 12:37 |
How can you dis the Rifleman and his deadeye side kick Del 'da funky homosapien' Curry? You are right, pretty lame. Would have been much better if the NBA would have just let William Bedford and Roy Tarpley keep their urine to themselves, however. | ||||||
| 6 | KnicksFan Donor ID: 52255815 Tue, Mar 26, 2002, 12:39 | or if Bias didn't OD. | ||||||
| 7 | Ref ID: 28045169 Tue, Mar 26, 2002, 12:40 | why do you think this is OT? It's about basketball, right? | ||||||
| 8 | KevinL Donor ID: 552212210 Tue, Mar 26, 2002, 12:58 |
Mark Price was drafted in the 2nd round in 86. So the Cavs got Price, Daughtery, Harper, as well as Hot Rod Williams whom they drafted in 85 but he was unable to play due to the scandal at Tulane. Interesting that the Cavs best draft ever is being considered as the worst. | ||||||
| 9 | Y2JS ID: 52122612 Tue, Mar 26, 2002, 13:06 | JCS, just a difference of opinion but I think the potential draft class of this year with respect to the players you mentioned: Wagner, Gooden, Dunleavy and Marcus...along with Prince, West, Gadzuric, F. Williams, Gardner, Clancy, Jacobson, Borschard, Butler etc could be an outstanding group. Especially Wagner, Butler and Gooden if they decide to go. All are great players but aside from Jason Williams and maybe Ming there's no consensus #1 pick. But it's extremely deep, talented and I think we'll produce a lot of NBA players. I hope we never have to see a draft like 1997 again! | ||||||
| 10 | JCS ID: 17237251 Wed, Mar 27, 2002, 01:57 |
Y2JS - I used to love Wagner while he was in HS. Then I saw what he did this year and I'm not impressed anymore. FWIW, John Thompson of nbadraftreport.com compared him to a better Tony Delk (sick!). Gooden on the other hand I liked him since I saw him in his freshman year at Kansas, but yeah, he looks like someone who's on par with some of this last year's mid-first rounders like Jefferson, but top 5? I think in a good year he'd be more like at the end of the lottery... Dunleavy is very interesting, I think he really improved over the years, and I heard Battier is rooting hard for the Grizzlies management to nab him at all costs, which may be a sign he's going out this year. In fact, if it were me, the 4 Duke standouts would be in the top 8 in this draft if they all came out... About the other guys you mentioned... The only ones I like are Jacobsen, Frank Williams, Borchardt and maybe Butler... But I don't think either Borchardt or Jacobsen is out this year, but I have no info to back this up... Frank Williams should be a better pro than he was as a collegian... Aaahh, I love to talk about the draft... I'm a draft addict! | ||||||
| 11 | wqrtyt ID: 50026415 Wed, Mar 27, 2002, 07:33 | Who would the Knicks draft? They already have 3 points guards, who will be in NY for many years because of their huge contracts. They have houston and Anderson at sg. Spree at sf. And they have 3 pf. thomas, weatherspoon, harrington. They have Camby at center. So, from that it looks like they need a center. But there aren't any good centers. There is Ming but he might not even go to the draft or be available when the Knicks pick. Is there a center I have missed? Any thoughts? | ||||||
| 12 | Seattle Zen Donor ID: 411302615 Wed, Mar 27, 2002, 12:40 |
How can you guys dis Juan Dixon like this? He has put up better numbers and is a better defender than Stevie Franchise. I'm not saying that he should be a number two pick and will end up on the All-Star team as quickly as the Steve the Rocket, but he is going to be a great pro. I like Sam Clancy, but I'm afraid he will slip in the draft because scouts fear that at 6'7" he isn't tall enough. I see him alot like Rodney Rogers. He entered the NBA draft last year, but pulled out. However, he kicked ass in the Pre-draft league and if he can do that again, why not take him late in the first round? Whereas a clown like Casey Jacobsen had "Mad Dog" Madsen written all over him: pathetic. | ||||||
| 13 | Y2JS ID: 562402716 Wed, Mar 27, 2002, 17:22 | SZ, i'm no great supporter of Casey Jacobson, especially after hearing him say "Who is Marvin O'Conner?" in last years tournament, but i'd like to hear your rationale as to how you think he has Mad Dog Madsen written all over him. IMO they're 2 completely different players, where as Jacobson has range, handle and driving ability and Madsen did not. He is a great talent, will be a top pick and without a doubt has to be considered a lot better then the Mad Dog | ||||||
| 14 | kev ID: 42251923 Wed, Mar 27, 2002, 19:03 |
I have to disagree with some of the things I have seen above. Im not sold on Jaun Dixon being a good NBA player. If he gets drafted, it will be mid to late second round. Is Dunleavy even coming out? I dont believe he has made any claims to coming out. If he does, he is a probably top 5 pick. Wagner has crazy good game. I believe this draft will be not comparable to some of the better draft classes. There is only one proven stud in this draft class (Jason Williams) Wagner and Gooden should be solid pro's, but other than that, this draft class doesnt seem to be too rich in talent. When Seniors like Clancy, Ely, and Marcus all seem to be getting mid first round hype, that isnt a good thing. | ||||||
| 15 | Seattle Zen Donor ID: 411302615 Thu, Mar 28, 2002, 13:16 |
Juan Dixon is the Player of the Year in the ACC, second place, Jason Williams. Everywhere Juan goes, people doubt his ability, he proves them wrong. The man can score, he is so inventive and creative in getting his shots, plus he has NBA 3-point range. He will be a great pro. Jacobsen does not have NBA driving ability, nor can he create his own shot. I used the "Mad Dog" analogy simply to point to another hyped Stanford player who will disappoint in the NBA. I like Jacobsen more than Madsen, I think Casey earned his accolades where the "Dog" hustled his talentless ass around the floor like a tweaking suiside bomber and was hyped up by Dicky V. as if Vitale owned stock in the chump. | ||||||
| 16 | Razor Donor ID: 305102622 Thu, Mar 28, 2002, 14:41 |
4 Dukies in the top 8? That's crazy. Comments like this can only be chalked up the Duke-hype machine doing its best to brainwash us. Who's the 4th Duke player, Duhon? He's not even a very good college point guard yet. Duhon's high in points this year was 15 and his FG % was 40%. I'll take Aaron Miles, among many others. As for proven talent, none of these guys are proven, obviously, because they are still college players. There is no can't miss guy in the draft this year and there rarely is. I think Jason Williams lacks a lot of things that people are overlooking, shooting ability and height for example. He can drive but it's a lot easier to get it over 6-8 Lonnie Baxter than the 7 footers he'll see every night in the NBA. He's a good player alright, but can't miss is a label I'd never put on him. Gooden is a great player. I'd actually like for Seattle Zen to write this part for me as he claimed that Sam Clancy is a better player than Gooden and made other such bold and fallacious statements. Ok, I'll write it. The guy can board, that much is clear. He's quick, athletic, handles the ball well for his size and has pretty good post moves. If he develops a real good long jumper, he could be a great tall small forward in the Danny Manning/young-Garnett mold. He's only 230 lbs. Dunleavy a good NBA player? Not yet at least. He's way too slow to be a good small forward. He needs another year. Boozer I like, good body. Needs to work on his post moves a lot and develop a short jumper to become effective because he won't be getting those easy 2 footers by outmuscling people like he does in college. Dixon is a mystery. He's a wily, creative scorer so I think he could be effective. My concern would be him getting muscled around on defense by bigger guards. As I've said before, I belive Hinrich can be a Steve Nash type. Great shooter, good passer, all around good player to have on your team. Highly underrated. Caron Butler I saw for the first time this whole year against Maryland. His build and his game remind me of a Jayhawk of a few years ago, Paul Pierce. I think Butler could be the best player in this draft. I'd take Butler anyday of the week over Jason Williams. If he develops his outside game like Pierce done upon making the jump, he can be a 25 PPG guy, just like Pierce. | ||||||
| 17 | Seattle Zen Donor ID: 411302615 Tue, Apr 02, 2002, 13:56 |
Hey, Razor Looks like Gooden had better develop that outside shot because he showed what his inside game looks like when he ran into some bad, bad men in the Maryland game. Don't feel bad, Jefferies didn't look any better. You just can't beat those TERPS! | ||||||
| 18 | Seattle Zen Donor ID: 411302615 Tue, Apr 02, 2002, 16:27 |
 If I posted a photo of everytime that happened on Saturday, this thread would crash. | ||||||
| 19 | Razor Donor ID: 305102622 Tue, Apr 02, 2002, 17:27 |
They lost to the team that won the title, no shame in that. Gooden played a horrible game. Wilcox ate his lunch. I hope they both return so KU can dismantle them next year. Anyway, the difference between winning and losing for Maryland/KU wasn't Wilcox/Gooden, it was all Dixon. Sure Gooden stunk it up, but Dixon just killed my Jayhawks. Collison just abused Baxter and it didn't make any difference. Dixon hit shot after tough shot. I didn't realize how good he was. He was the difference from Maryland blowing a twenty point lead in the Final 4 again and winning the title. I don't know where anybody would get off saying that Gooden isn't one of the best 3 players in the country, and certainly the best PF. Clancy can't even be mentioned in the same breath as Gooden. Drew has more room for improvement than any Kansas player I've seen. Kansas played 30 minutes of the worst basketball they played all year. They played 5 great minutes at the beginning and end of the game that kept them in it. They didn't run like the wanted and their halfcourt wasn't as effective as it usually is, mostly due to Gooden's poor performance. I can only hope this performance will spur Gooden into returning, where he will ceratinly be the player of the year favorite on the best team in the land. The only thing that could keep Kansas from having a better record next year than this year would be the strength of the Big 12 (ESPN has 4 Big 12 teams in the top 7 in an early poll). Some experts have Arizona as the early favorite, but in my biased opinion, with Gooden back, Kansas will have one of the most loaded teams I've ever seen. | ||||||
| 20 | Seattle Zen Donor ID: 411302615 Tue, Apr 02, 2002, 17:37 |
I was impressed by Collison, that guy can score and is very creative in getting the ball in the hole. I'm glad you have a better appreciation for Juan Dixon, he has been a great player to watch for many years. Jeff Boschee also could drive fear deep into your heart, man, he never even draws iron on his threes. | ||||||
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