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Subject: NBA Draft Lottery
Posted by: wqrtyt
- [50026415] Sun, May 19, 2002, 10:12
What time is the draft lottery today? |
| 1 | Gman15
Leader
ID: 47645219
Sun, May 19, 2002, 11:35
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I believe it's at halftime of the Nets-Celtics game. The tipoff for that game is 5:30 ET so the draft lottery should be on around 6:30-7:00 ET.
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| 2 | PGunn
ID: 264571710
Sun, May 19, 2002, 13:15
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I Guarantee the Knicks will get the top pick! The fix is in.
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| 3 | KnicksFan
Donor
ID: 402541419
Sun, May 19, 2002, 15:38
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Let's hope so!
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| 4 | KTxGOD
ID: 23439814
Sun, May 19, 2002, 19:37
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wow Rockets win the lottery... shocker...
GO BULLS!
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| 5 | IRRIDUCIBILI LAZIO
ID: 221441621
Sun, May 19, 2002, 19:45
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rockets-bulls-warriors in order, than memphis and denver.....do you think houston will go with the china-man or with williams??
if they go with the china-man than the bulls are pretty sure locked with williams, who, in my opinion would fit greatly in the warriors lineup......what do you think about it??
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| 6 | HD
ID: 124501920
Sun, May 19, 2002, 20:54
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Tough choice for the Rockets. Of course the top two picks appear to be Yao and Jason Williams; however, Yao is a risky pic (especially since Mark Cuban was on ESPN yesterday and said he didn't know if the Chinese government was going to allow his China-man to play next year in the states). In addition, the Rockets have Franchise at the point with Mobley at 2-guard. The Rockets may think about trading the 1st pick.
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| 7 | IRRIDUCIBILI LAZIO
ID: 221441621
Sun, May 19, 2002, 21:55
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would you trade the 1st pick+cato for swift and wright?? than memphis shoul try to trade JASON williams for a big guy, having one of the most talented lineups in the league with williams, battier, gasol and maybe dixon or dunleavy or another high (4th) pick......they'll lack experience, but hey, they've 10 years locked....
well it's just a tought of an italian guy, and i know i really don't understand a lot about the nba out of the courts, but i like to immagine that lineup.....
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| 8 | KTxGOD
ID: 23439814
Mon, May 20, 2002, 01:22
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I wouldnt trade Swift and Wright for the first pick and Cato...
Swift and Wright have shown they have the ability to play in the NBA...Cato isnt very good and Draft choices are always risky...
Being a Bulls fan, i was relieved to find out they got a better pick than the warriors...because of Jay Williams...
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| 9 | J-Dub
ID: 1810141719
Mon, May 20, 2002, 03:10
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I think Rockets should go with Yao Ming. They lack Hight and already have 2 quality guards in Francis and Mobley. At 7-5, Yao has the height, low-post game and skills to slide right into the line-up.
C - Yao Ming
PF - Kenny Thomas
SF - Eddie Griffin
SG - Cuttino Mobley
PG - Steve Francis.
All these guys are young and talented. Their line-up looks quite potent.
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| 10 | HD
ID: 11441203
Mon, May 20, 2002, 03:47
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I was a Bulls fan back in the day before Krause ripped apart the Jordan-Pippen-Jackson dynasty. Now, I am glad they didn't get the #1 pick. How would Jay Williams play in Chi-town? The last time the Bulls picked a Duke player (Elton Brand) they traded him after he put forth such a great effort on that horrible team.
Besides Yao Ming and Jason Williams, who else is a candidate for the #1 - #3 picks?
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| 11 | sosa
ID: 13383014
Mon, May 20, 2002, 03:58
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Drew Gooden, Mike Dunleavy, Chris Wilcox, Caron Butler.
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| 12 | kev
ID: 15357192
Mon, May 20, 2002, 04:49
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Wilcox and Gooden wont go number one, even if Houston does trade the pick- they have a ton of PF's, and guards.
To me, Mike Dunleavy, Yao Ming, or Caron Butler are the best picks for Houston. Jay Williams doesnt make sense their either, as they already have Mobley and Francis both locked up to big money. They also have a good 3rd guard in Moochie Norris.
I figure if they dont take Ming, they will trade down and take Butler or Dunleavy. I think their are many teams that would want to move ahead of Chicago and take Williams, or even move ahead just to take Ming.
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| 13 | clach
ID: 58434134
Mon, May 20, 2002, 06:41
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The obvious choiche for Houston is Yao Ming. But the chinese governemenet will allow him to go just in a big city with a big chinese community (Golden State o Knicks, maybe Chicago, no other solution)
So it's probably the'll trade their choiche.
The don't need Jay Williams and all other players are quiet worst than first 2 picks
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| 14 | IRRIDUCIBILI LAZIO
ID: 221441621
Mon, May 20, 2002, 08:49
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well, they should trade the 1st pick to the warriors. GS needs someone who runs the ball, and williams is da man.
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| 15 | KTxGOD
ID: 23439814
Mon, May 20, 2002, 10:50
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IF they trade down with Golden State... That would just piss me off =P
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| 16 | Farn in Cali
ID: 17421913
Mon, May 20, 2002, 12:26
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the bulls can't lose. if Yao goes first, then get Jay Will. If Jay will goes first, they get Yao.
All that said, watch the fat man trade the #2 pick for the rights a junior high player....
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| 17 | Coach C.C. Soldiers
ID: 53272818
Mon, May 20, 2002, 14:56
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Yao Ming? No way. Anyone remember Michael Olowokandi? The guy has some size and some skills for a big man, but I can think of a handful of guys who should go ahead of him.
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| 18 | HD
ID: 2141212
Tue, May 21, 2002, 02:05
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Yao Ming has to be a better choice than Kwame Brown! :)
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| 19 | Pops
ID: 29102114
Tue, May 21, 2002, 10:30
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Just to give everyone a local H-town perspective....
People are either fixated on taking Ming or they desperately seek the trade the first pick to someone who wants to jump up to grab Jay Williams.
The feeling here is that Williams has less baggage attached and therefore could demand a higher price, but we'll see how that goes.
A few rumors circulating about are...
The Mavs will do whatever they can to get Ming, so fill in the blanks with the trades as you go, realize though that the Rockets have 2 guys who are extremely overpaid in Mo Weed Taylor and Cato. Another realistic aspect of this deal is we know how much of a marketing genius Cuban is, with the most visible symbol of the worlds largest 'untapped' economy being in his team, the endorsements deals and such are a never ending possibility.
Another suggestion is that we NEED a big man, people have tossed out names like Olowokandi and McDyess, both of these are contractual situations that the Rockets might be able to take advantage of, but I personally am not big on either of these, though McD would be my preference.
Lots of people have also thrown out names like Tyson Chandler and guys who are going to be untouchable, or at least difficult enough to acquire to where it wont be worth it.
Now, here's my personal preference since I'm on this soapbox :-)....
Take the number 1 and 15 package it with Cat Mobley and send it over the way of the Clippers for thier 8/13 and Lamar Odom.
Now with me making that reference to 'Mo Weed Taylor' earlier, this would normally be the last guy I would ever think about acquiring. However, his organization is obviously disgruntled with him and w/ an upcoming contract to sign, he's there to be had. And for all the talent the Clips have, Q is a little to big to play the 2 and Cat could slide right in to that rotation.
Then of course, we draft Borchardt with the 8th pick, and we draft Jeffries/Rush with the second pick depending on where we plan to play Odom.
So here's your lineup..
Francis
Rush
Odom
Griffin
Borchardt
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Francis
Odom
Jeffries
Griffin
Borchardt
By the way, if there's anyway we can move down that 15th and pick up Juan Dixon close to the end of the first round, WE DO IT!
Wow, long-winded and unedited as usual, my apologies.
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| 20 | culdeus
Donor
ID: 46046416
Tue, May 21, 2002, 15:32
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Isn't it ironic that the whole reason we have lotteries is for the Rockets game tanking fiasco to get Olija.
Is Odum able to be traded? It would have to be a sign and trade deal right? 1+15 and cat for odum is an awful trade for the rockets anyway. You trade two starters and a 8th man for one starter who is coming off a shaky season and has off-court problems. Plus I have a feeling LAC is tired of getting younger and they have said as much publicly.
The mavs won't get the second coming of shawn bradley trust me.
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| 21 | Pops
ID: 29102114
Tue, May 21, 2002, 22:28
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Some real quick pts..
How are the Clips getting younger?
We trade them 2 picks for 2 picks and that means they can choose anyone of any age they so desire :-)...and Cat Mobley is older than Odom, so the Clips actually get older :).
Second, The Rockets had a coin flip that year to win the rights to Olajuwon, they took the worst from each conference and flipped and THANK GOD we came out on top. That however, still doesn't stop teams from trying to get better lottery odds :-) ie Spurs/Duncan Golden State/CWebb. And taking even this one step further, the first year of the lottery is the year everyone says that the fix was in, so what the Rockets did was no more controversial than what people say the 'nba' as an entire organization did :-).
Third, Odom is up for a contract either this off-season or next off-season. That's one of the reasons his situation can be exploited, b/c Mr. Sterling has publicly stated he wont resign all of the players that are soon eligible for free agency, so they've already shown thier cards to the league, yet another Clipperesque move.
Cuban and Nellie's regime wasn't the one that drafted Bradley, they seem enamored with Ming, but who knows what that crew will decide. Take one look at Ming's base *his legs, calves* and you will see why he has the ability to have a great low post game, the foundation for his pivots, his footworks, and his spins, is so much more developed than Bradley's was or ever will be. He can hold his own down low as far as his lower body goes, and his upper body will come with time. Downside, He's Rick Smits, Upside he's an all-star for 10 years, b/c the league wont get away w/ sneaking Dirk in as center in the all-star games for much longer ;).
And that's pretty much all of your post and my retort, aside from your opinion that it's a bad deal for the Rockets. I have no ammo to get ya with on that one, simply stated, if you have a chance to get Lamar Odom, and give up only a trigger happy shooting gaurd, and the rights to some talent, I think it's a deal.
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| 22 | Coach C.C. Soldiers
ID: 53272818
Wed, May 22, 2002, 11:47
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I dont see anything in that guy that will make him an All-Star. The guy is worse than Bradley. Stanley Roberts had the same strength, power and body type as Shak. Where is Roberts now? Olowokandi has those inside moves but he's still not an All-Star center. What are you guys looking at? Size dont mean squat!!!!
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| 23 | Chris
ID: 24910517
Sat, May 25, 2002, 14:31
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Umm, Mark Cuban is on the record as saying Yao Ming is overrated. Unless he's trying to help his chances at trading for that pick, or unless Nellie is going over his head, I'm not sure where that rumor came from.
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| 24 | Julo
ID: 284562816
Sat, May 25, 2002, 17:30
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here is the "everyone is happy" (or at least Houston, Chicago and Golden State) situation:
maybe it's just me, but it seems like the Rockets aren't too high on Ming or JayWill. If that's the case, they might want to think of trading their first pick to GS for the third pick and a big man (Fortson would be a perfect fit).
GS, who seem desperate for a PG will no doubt take JayWill with the first pick
Chicago, with Krause drooling over prospect of having the biggest lineup in the L (Ming, Curry, Chandler, Rose, Crawford) would likely take Ming
and Houston, who got a big man from GS would take Dunleavy who would seem to fit perfectly into their starting lineup
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| 25 | Pops
ID: 552122010
Sun, May 26, 2002, 22:48
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Chris: I had heard the same comments from Cuban. But apparently either him or his 'basketball people' are hung up on Ming and are looking to work something, though that rumor has really dampened as of late.
Coach CC: C'MON!!!! I mean when was the last time you say Olowokandi, Roberts, or Bradley knock down 17 footers like they were lay-ups?
Bradley is a stiff and can't move, same with Roberts, at least Kandi-man can get up and down the court a bit, but with all due respect, YOUR INSANE if you think those comparisons are even remotely close.
As stated previously, this guy is Rik Smits if he doesn't pan out, and he's a 10 year all-star if he does.
Julo: I like the thought, simply b/c we so desperately need a guy to drab boards down low, But with Mo Weed Taylor, Eddie, and Kenny Thomas we have 3 power forwards already. Guys like Vescey and Aldridge are already predicting at least 1 of the 3 are moved over the off-season. There's no way the Rockets are adding to thier log jam at the 4. Maybe something with Erik Dampier I could see, but he's as overpaid as Mo Weed and Kato. And we're still paying Matt Maloney till 2006 I believe :-(!
However, the Dunleavy pick seems perfect. Butler or Dunleavy are obviously the class 3's of this draft and we need a 3 and a 5 so there's not much to think about there.
I really really do want to trade down. If for no other reason, then just get a gander at this...
Over the last 4 drafts the Rockets have had 8 first round draft picks *among them Bryce Drew, and Mirsad Turkcan*. Yet this past year was one of the worst in our recent history. Seems like all that 'talent' is not producing a dang thing.
Eddie and Franchise were acquired through trades and Cat Mobley was a second round pick.
The bottom line is, this organization is terrible in the first round :(.
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| 26 | IRRIDUCIBILI LAZIO
ID: 221441621
Sun, May 26, 2002, 22:51
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i don't think a 3rd pick and fortson for the only 1st pick should be a fair trade......maybe the 1st pick for fortson and the 2nd rounder is more right.....
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| 27 | Pops
ID: 552122010
Sun, May 26, 2002, 23:59
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I Lazio: Normally you would be correct. For instance, in last years draft your point would be completely legit. However, this years draft is a 2 player draft. Your either in the driver's seat for Yao and J, like the Rockets and Bulls, or your not. Like the Warriors and everybody else.
The percieved drop-off is quite dramatic. Though I personally don't think the best NBA player of this draft will be either of the above, I do know enough to realize that in this instance, the Warriors aren't getting anything for Fortson and a 2nd.
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| 28 | IRRIDUCIBILI LAZIO
ID: 221441621
Mon, Jun 03, 2002, 19:42
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any news about the draft and possibility of trades??
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| 29 | Pops
ID: 552122010
Wed, Jun 05, 2002, 21:28
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As far as a the updated Htown situation it's a little like this.
The Blazers are dangling Wallace in combinations with Bonzi/picks.
The Clips are said to be willing to eat the salary of Glen Rice *9Mil* in a package for the number 1 pick. Odom, Clippers 8, and 12 could play big roles in this scenario. Some dreamers down here are hoping it could include the rights to Juric*sp*, but that's not going to happen. Oh, and they are also hoping the Clips take Mo Weed and Jason Collier off our hands, again, dreamers.
Word is, if you hear the name Jay Williams out of Stern's mouth as the number 1 pick, you KNOW that a deal has been struck, and your 100% positive it's with a Western Conference team.
That said, We're drafting Ming, book it :-).
The real mystery is if Amare Stoudamire, Jared Jeffries, Kareem Rush, or a foreign player will be our #15 pick.
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| 30 | Julo
ID: 259112023
Wed, Jun 05, 2002, 22:14
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what's with mobley on the "Best Damn Sports Show Period"? I read that he didn't speak any positive of him at all. Although he doesn't have any control over who gets the pick, or what to trade it for, there could be some bad chemistry in the organization if Ming is a rocket next year...
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| 31 | Julo
ID: 259112023
Wed, Jun 05, 2002, 22:22
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"I read that he didn't speak any positive of him at all"
him = Ming
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