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Subject: Why the good managers will show it this year...
Posted by: TaRhEElKiD
- [42109719] Mon, Sep 23, 2002, 21:33
Many discussed how the muted price changes may have leveled the playing field last year. And how the leaders were never as far ahead as they were in years past.
I believe that is very true. With the muted price changes I believe many managers could field similiar teams without having to know their stuff as well as the leaders.
Why that won't happen this year is due to, 2 following reasons I believe, and they are as follows:
1) First and most obvious I believe with all the complaints last year that the price changes will be higher than last years, while not as high as 2 years ago. Hopefully a good mixture.
And the most important I believe...
2) Eligibility of multiple positions for certain players will bring another wrinkle to this already great game. I believe this new addition will make people have to know their stuff MUCH more than before. I believe it makes your decisions more vital for which positions you want to take a certain player at. I believe the leaders will pull away from the pack MUCH earlier than last year because of this.
These are just my thoughts...what do others think about eligibility of multiple positions? I like it, knowing good managers must really EARN their early year rank this year, and we be tougher to hold that spot possibly...but I also can only imagine how much time I put into the game last year...this will add immensely to that time!!! AHH, that is almost scary.
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| 1 | Hang Time
ID: 16730823
Mon, Sep 23, 2002, 22:32
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I too am really looking forward to seeing how multiple position players will play out during the year.
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| 2 | PGunn
ID: 38882213
Mon, Sep 23, 2002, 22:43
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I don't agree with you. You are still gonna need good producing players with good schedules in order to win. I think most of the guys you buy will have their schedule dry up before you have a chance to move them to a new position. It gives you more players for each position though but other than that I don't see it being a big deal. Unless a train develops at a position where you like the guy you have so you just move that guy to a new position and then jump on the train. Any other ideas from anybody ?
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| 3 | Memphis Fan
ID: 36851518
Mon, Sep 23, 2002, 23:01
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Going to have to side with PGunn. I dont believe the multiple possitions will have much of an impact. While it adds a fun demention to the game, I don't see it playing a role in the outcome. I think the game will still come down to 'the value of a trade'. And when to hold em and when to sell. The key will be staying away from the pack and the newest hot guy.
Same ole same IMO. But with the added cost/prize money I think competition will be alot stiffer. I cant wait till preseason!
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| 4 | PGunn
ID: 38882213
Mon, Sep 23, 2002, 23:06
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Ok, I suppose the ability to play multiple positions will add some increased value to a guy resulting in bigger price gains IF he is producing and has a good schedule. Multiple position players will have more POTENTIAL BUYERS than a guy who can only play one position.
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| 5 | Hang Time
ID: 16730823
Tue, Sep 24, 2002, 02:46
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The money train idea is the BIGGEST thing.
Imagine:
- You have Ben Wallace playing at Forward.
- A new money train comes along at Forward.
- You do not want to sell any of your current Forwards.
- Sell a center (they all suck anyway).
- Move Ben Wallace to Center.
- Then buy a Forward.
ALL IN ONLY ONE TRADE. That's VERY useful.
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| 6 | Fatal Image
ID: 11621206
Tue, Sep 24, 2002, 04:56
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whoa I didn't know you could 'move' a guy like that. Very cool.
Might have to play this year. I hated what they did to the price changes last year though.
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| 7 | Tree
ID: 22758146
Tue, Sep 24, 2002, 07:04
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i think, while not THE most important aspect of the game, the flexi-positions could definitely have an impact.
I'm thinking that the guys who can also play center will be the ones definitely making the most of this multi-dimensional aspect. In the top 40 players (by dollar value), there are only THREE centers, listed by first positions - Shaq (30 years old and injured), Divac (34 years old), Mutumbo (36 years old).
HOWEVER...when you allow the secondary position, you double the number of centers in the top 40, and IMO, increase the talent exponentially, because you're addings guys that are more talented, and MUCH younger in Nowitzki (24..wow..), Wallace (just turned 28), and J. O'Neal (turns 24 next month)...
one man's opinion,
Tree
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| 8 | Ender
ID: 13443221
Tue, Sep 24, 2002, 08:06
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You are underestimating the flexibility in schedule management that multiple postions allow.
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| 9 | Micheal
ID: 33457215
Tue, Sep 24, 2002, 11:18
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I haven't bought my teams or even looked at hoops yet, so I don't know what is going on.
You can actually sell a center, move Wallace from his forward spot to the center spot and pick up a forward? That is a huge change along with the multi-position players.
Can someone post that change cause I can't get into TSN from work?
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| 10 | TaRhEElKiD
ID: 42109719
Tue, Sep 24, 2002, 18:44
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Pgunn-
I never said you didn't need producing players and good schedules. That is an obvious aspect of the game that is need to succeed. I meant that it adds more strategy to that game if you are going to buy X player at G or at F, because I am sure last year there was a time where you wanted another $$$ train F when you add no more room for one, now you do. Like Ender said: it gives you much more flexability and there is much more strategy involved to gaining $$$ and getting your max points possible.
THK
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| 11 | Dan L
ID: 298172421
Tue, Sep 24, 2002, 21:18
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I dont think the secondary position will have much of an impact at all. Take Nowitzki for example. Why would anyone ever list him as a forward? A fourth forward option will almost always be a better deal for the dollar than a second center option. So why ever have Nowitzki or Wallace or O'neal at forward? Those players will almost always be used in the center slot, therefore minimizing the effectiveness of the multi-position idea. Thoughts?
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| 12 | TaRhEElKiD
ID: 42109719
Tue, Sep 24, 2002, 21:30
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Well say you find 4 low priced forwards that you want on your team for $$$ and points, such as last years DC (at times), Gasol, and 2 others...but Dirk has a 5-4-4-4-2 (all star) 4-4
and YOU REALLY WANT HIM. Get him at Center. Am I right? Wouldn't this be a logical use of the eligibility of multiple positions?
THK
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| 13 | V-2
ID: 52853242
Tue, Sep 24, 2002, 23:22
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Why isn't Duncan considered a Center, he played more than 5 games at that position, when DRob was out at the end of the season.
Then you have Detroit: Rebraca,Okur and Mengke are Centers and BBen and uncle Cliff F/C.
What do you guys think?
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| 14 | Memphis Fan
ID: 36851518
Wed, Sep 25, 2002, 00:23
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Problem is.
You may like the flexibility to say, move Wallace to C and sell your forward. But if you consider how much money you will have to buy that forward. It may not be that benefitial at all.
Selling that 2 mil dollar cheapie center, moving Wallace and buying a forward may sound like a great idea, but when you have 2 mil from a Stephania or a Booth to work with, I dont think it will leave much option.
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| 15 | Blooki
ID: 6838118
Wed, Sep 25, 2002, 00:58
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I agree w/ Memphis Fan. I think the multipositional players that will make an impact as far as switching positions without trading them are the Dion Glovers and Samaki Walkers rather than the Ben Wallaces and the Paul Pierces because the studs should be swapped anyways. Unfortunately, most of the multiposition cheapies aren't appealing to me right now (yet). As of now, I'm drafting just like any other year. It will be nice to have more options at C, but that's pretty much it. I don't foresee myself swapping players from one position to another as much as some of you are claiming is going to be necessary to compete.
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| 16 | Ender
ID: 13443221
Wed, Sep 25, 2002, 08:21
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You all seem to be focusing on F/C hybrids and forgetting about G/F possibilities. You are also ignoring the fact that there are now a "considerable" (at least relative to the past) number of solid players available at center. There wasn't much differentiation at center slot last year.
Re: 14
There are more productive $2 million Forwards each season that at center (we have all chased the mythical cheapie center). I can easily see swapping from a cheap center to a cheap Forward at some point. Having a Nowitzki to slide down rather than burn 2 trades in a double-switch is far better.
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| 17 | Edgar
ID: 12102272
Wed, Sep 25, 2002, 11:41
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Ender I think that is an important point. Last few seasons we have all chased cheap centers like Nesterovic, Booth or Haywood mostly because we wanted to gain roster value. The big problem used to be what to do when the point production, and more important the money train, stopped. We would have to switch to a different cheapie (certainly not always available) or upgrade while using 2 trades. With the new rules the second option can be done with using one trade when you have a F/C around like Nowitzki. So it's certainly is an additional value.
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| 18 | Blooki
ID: 6838118
Wed, Sep 25, 2002, 16:14
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I agree that both the G/F and F/C players will be helpful is providing more options at a given position. What I don't think is that the swapping between positions once you have them will be of immense importance. At least not now... other than the studs, none of the combo-players are screaming out to me and if I do have the studs, I will be swapping in and out of them quickly anyways to maximize points before I even have a chance to make other trades in order to swap them from position to position.
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| 19 | Ender
ID: 52438315
Wed, Sep 25, 2002, 16:40
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You make a valid point. Some players may not be on your roster long enough for it to matter. However, there are players on that list that will be long term holds and it WILL come into play. Remember you can't trade out of every dry spell.
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