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Subject: The centers strategies
Posted by: clach
- [31933412] Mon, Oct 21, 2002, 05:36
I'm realy in trouble on drafting centers for TSn games.
The early preaseason cheapies suchs as Mak Blountand Jelany McCoy now really sucks, so it doesn't look the worth to pick up, even at 500k
Right now I'm oriented on Dirk Nowitzki and Samaki Walker, but this obliged me to select only 2 studs (not 3 as most of all) and a bunch of cheapies
Ilgauskas looks good, but he'll mis 1st match. All othe others look really expensive and no productive.
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| 1 | beebop
ID: 09361717
Mon, Oct 21, 2002, 05:51
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I went with Shawn Bradley and Loren Woods. Bradley will be counted on a lot more than last year. Not sure why i picked Woods. On the rest of my team i have Kobe, Maggette, Giricek, Ginobili, Duncan, Pierce, Jamison and Miles.
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| 2 | Tree
ID: 22758146
Mon, Oct 21, 2002, 06:56
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on my three teams, i've got:
K. Clark & J. O'Neal
Divac & Nowitzki
Nowitzki & Wallace
there are enough cheapies out there that have solid potential, that you can get 3 to 4 studs eary on every team.
Tree
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| 3 | clach
ID: 31933412
Mon, Oct 21, 2002, 06:57
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Uhm, I still don't trust in Bradley. His numbers in last 2 games are also bad.
Regarding Woods, he or Marc Jackson can be an interesting pick, but I can't say now on which of the two Flip Saunders will count in season
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| 4 | clach
ID: 31933412
Mon, Oct 21, 2002, 07:05
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Tre, you are picking expensive centres!
If you pick Nowitzki e/o Wallace , who both doesn't have great schedule and can't guarantee a 50tsnp per night as Duncan, Garnett, Webber or Tmc...
On the other hand, going with cheapies at C, it means you get no more than 10-15tsnp a game, and what you earn with 2-3 F studs (as most of gurupies have inrosters now), you probably loose at C position!
So, what is better? This is my 1st dilemma!
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| 5 | Edgar
ID: 12102272
Mon, Oct 21, 2002, 08:05
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Clach, the center position is indeed as always providing a major dilemma. Although there seem to be some possible cheapies like Woods, Blount, Stephania, Rebraca and McCoy none of them stands out. The only real option that I like is Samaki Walker, who in the past has shown he can put up numbers with Shaq out. I'm still debating between going cheap at the other position or picking eiter Wallace (who I like better) or Nowitzki.
Some points of condideration:
- Wallace and Now. have F/C flexibility which is a plus
- Wallace and Nowitzki are less guaranteed points compared to KG, CW and TD but a little cheaper. Picking a cheapie will allow you to pick up an extra stud.
- Picking Wallace/ Nowitzki will give you more stability, cheap centers need to be replaced often.
As usual this comes down to a simple equation. Which combo gives you the most points while being the most stable trade wise. For example CW and McCoy vs Wallace and Kwame/ Gooden. I think still the Wallace pick holds as a good option.
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| 6 | albo222
Donor
ID: 541025107
Mon, Oct 21, 2002, 08:13
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I like Marc Jackson and Jarron Collins.
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| 7 | p...
ID: 1545375
Mon, Oct 21, 2002, 08:28
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I still have McCoy and JColl. But I wonder who is still planning on keeping McCoy for opening day with his last few "poor" preseason performances and the possibility of Antonio Davis at C?
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| 8 | clach
ID: 31933412
Mon, Oct 21, 2002, 08:36
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yes mcckoy was my early choiche..but in last 2 games he really sucked. Don't forget JYD is back now and Michael Bradley (who unfortunately is listed as F) looks more productive
I agree on Samaki, but question is, when shaq will back?
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| 9 | Rubalamp
ID: 6615911
Mon, Oct 21, 2002, 09:54
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Samaki Walker is horrible. He played in Shaq's absence last year and never did jack...he sucks, especially for just under 4 mil...
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| 10 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Mon, Oct 21, 2002, 11:15
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Last year, in the 13 games that Shaq missed, Samaki Walker produced 363 TSNP, which is an average of 28/G.
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| 11 | Rubalamp
ID: 6615911
Mon, Oct 21, 2002, 11:19
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Maybe I just got burnt on his bad games, but I picked him for one week and he did pretty bad for me. All I know is he stuck in my mind as a guy that I would not put on my roster again...
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| 12 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Mon, Oct 21, 2002, 11:25
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He filled in for Shaq on three occasions.
12/25-1/2: 5 games, 181 TSNP (36.2/G)
1/13-1/21: 3 games, 90 TSNP (30/G)
2/4-2/18: 5 games, 92 TSNP (18.4/g)
The first two stints were pretty productive. The third was relatively disappointing.
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| 13 | Rubalamp
ID: 6615911
Mon, Oct 21, 2002, 12:12
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It was later in the season when I gave him a whirl, so it must have been that last stint...Didn't he have one game where he scored like one or something ridiculous?
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| 14 | joe suspect
Donor
ID: 298531714
Mon, Oct 21, 2002, 12:13
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Thanks for that info, Guru. I was trying to come up with that analysis on Samaki myself.
Still, with Shaq only being out for the 1st week of the season, I don't see Walker being a must-have.
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| 15 | Y2JS
ID: 8824238
Mon, Oct 21, 2002, 12:25
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I really like the way Eddy Curry has developed since the end of last season. He's becoming a load in the middle and progressing each game. It does seem risky since he's only in his second year but I feel he's got chance each night to have a big game. I'd rather take my chances with him and Collins at a relatively low price tag because of their plus upsides and good schedules
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| 16 | Y2JS
ID: 8824238
Mon, Oct 21, 2002, 12:29
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Furthermore, both seem like more of a long term hold than Walker with Shaq's impending arrival back. I don't really want to rotate centers until later in the year when we can lock the likes of Wallace, Jermo, etc...
Just my $.02
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| 17 | Tree
ID: 599393013
Mon, Oct 21, 2002, 13:17
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one of the reasons i went with Nowitzki/Wallace was their flexibility. every year, early on, it seems a burn an ungodly number of trades on the hot cheap center of the week. with these two, i can shuffle them back and forth, maybe use one or both at center, and work with that as needed...
Tree
lunch
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| 18 | gibby88@WORK
ID: 588371414
Mon, Oct 21, 2002, 14:10
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I am going Divac and Woods....
Going Divac over Wallace gives me more cash to upgrade other positions.
Besides, SAC has a great sked thru DECEMBER (32 games to DET's 30---have not looked beyond 12/31) ORL, CLE, & NO have 33!. It would be nice to hold the center position that long.
Woods, well I am definitely riding one cheapie for awhile. ( WHo knows how long that hold will be???)
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| 19 | V-2
ID: 52927202
Mon, Oct 21, 2002, 14:20
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Divac is 6.90 and has the best schedule.
I would pick a combo of Vlade and Samaki Walker instead of Nowitzki and a cheapie C. The main "problem" is the strong start of stud forwards, all with 5 games, so I understand all people that want to go cheap on drafting centers.
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| 20 | miguel p
ID: 44912013
Mon, Oct 21, 2002, 14:52
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gibby, I think you're putting too much emphasis on a couple extra games. 2 additional games over 2 months is a relatively insignificant difference -- if Wallace's swp/g is just 6.7% higher than Divac's, they'll produce the same total swp over the period (and he outscored Divac by more than 127% on a per-game basis last year). Of course, the shorter-term sched and the price still favour Divac, so there's plenty of reason to go with him, but I just wanted to make that point about long-term scheds.
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| 21 | grEEr
ID: 15901611
Mon, Oct 21, 2002, 15:16
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out of the cheap options which do u guys fell is the best option.
*McCoy (who wil; see minutes, i live in toronto and wathc the game last night)
*M. Jackson (he is a stretch i know)
*Woods (look's actually decent this year, and Joe Smith is out)
*M. Blount (he sucks but, mabey he can produce for his price, DEN rookies are not ready)
fell free to add in names in your replies, if u think i missed a few.
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| 22 | Picadilly
ID: 22902116
Mon, Oct 21, 2002, 18:24
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Gadzuric of the bucks. Averaging 19.4 swp so far, better than Mccoy, M. Jackson and M. Blount. Also 500K. Karl might start him and rid of E. Johnson.
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| 23 | subliminAble
ID: 309472116
Mon, Oct 21, 2002, 18:50
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anybody looking at calvin booth (sonics)?
he only cost 1.## mil
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| 24 | gibby88
ID: 50451220
Mon, Oct 21, 2002, 22:11
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miguel:
You are right..that was definitely considered...
But, as stated, it frees cash for other options. I don't doubt that Wallace will outscore Divac.
Thanks, gibby88
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| 25 | grEEr
ID: 15901611
Mon, Oct 21, 2002, 23:05
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what about Shawn Bradley at 1.72 he is a nice option. Wang is gone so he will see more minutes, depending on Eddie Gridden he may start.
Bradley can Reb and Block shots. He will also put up points he grabs offensive boards. what do u guys think???
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| 26 | subliminAble
ID: 309472116
Tue, Oct 22, 2002, 04:04
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another cheapy center
samake to start for lakers with shaq out
espn link
dunno how much time he'll actually get tho
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| 27 | micheal
ID: 11935222
Tue, Oct 22, 2002, 04:43
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When is this Eddie Gridden kid gonna be IPO'd? I haven't seen him play yet. Can anyone help me out? Is he worth a spot on my roster?
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| 28 | JCS
ID: 2393814
Tue, Oct 22, 2002, 05:21
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Micheal - Eddie Gridden is fabulous, I hope he's IPO'ed soon, I have a roster spot waiting for him, whatever his price is.
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| 29 | Hamid Toliyat
ID: 3893549
Wed, Oct 23, 2002, 09:34
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Wang is not a center, he plays the 3.
Also, to quote Cuban on getting rid of Wang "We'll manage to replace the 3 points a game with someone else."
I would go with Gridden instead.
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| 30 | jshrauner
ID: 457412218
Wed, Oct 23, 2002, 11:19
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How do you guys feel about the center situation in Minnesota? I can't decide between Woods and Jackson or neither. I must have a center below about 2 million, and I would rather not go with Bradley in Dallas. Any other options out there that I am not considering.
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| 31 | joe suspect
Donor
ID: 298531714
Wed, Oct 23, 2002, 20:40
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Why not both Woods and Jackson? Go super cheap at C, and then upgrade a mid priced player to a stud with the $$ you save. From a $$$/tsnp standpoint it doesn't look too bad: 1.64 mil and maybe 25/tsnp between them.
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| 32 | longhorn4life
ID: 36917172
Wed, Oct 23, 2002, 22:35
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woods and jackson? What about nesterovic? Sounds like a 3 headed monster there with not a lot of minutes to go around if you ask me.
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| 33 | joe suspect
Donor
ID: 298531714
Thu, Oct 24, 2002, 08:39
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Jackson will also be the backup PF, so there's more than just 48 minutes to go around. Yes, it's crazy and I'll probably not do it, but I wanted to throw it out there anyway.
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| 34 | mIST
ID: 36022116
Thu, Oct 24, 2002, 08:53
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Woods is the replacement of Joe Smith, in this moment. He won't play as a center.
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