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Subject: RotoGuru Invitational Hoops Challenge
Posted by: Guru
- [330592710] Fri, Sep 05, 2003, 19:59
This fall, I'm planning to organize and promote a Roto Hoops league. This league will have 10-12 managers, and those managers will be selected and invited based on a number of criteria, including:
1. demonstrated past success in fantasy hoops
2. value provided through this forum
3. respect shown by other forum users
4. GuruPatron status
While I do not plan to restrict managers to GuruPatrons, they will have a big advantage, and it is conceivable that all managers will be GuruPatrons. That will be my call.
I have a few people in mind to invite already, but please feel free to suggest names of people that you feel would be strong competitors who meet as many of the listed criteria as possible.
I have not yet worked out the details, but I think we will use the TSN Draft & Trade platform to administer the league. Invited managers will not be charged anything to participate - TSN has tentatively agreed to provide a complimentary league for this purpose.
Scoring will use the traditional roto-style ranking system, probably using the following 8 categories:
Percentages: FG%, FT%
Totals: 3 pt, reb, assists, steals, blocks, points
The draft will take place on this forum during a few weeks in October. It will be a "slow" draft, and all managers will be expected to provide a brief rationale for each of their picks. During the season, league standings will be tracked and highlighted at this site.
Nothing is yet cast in stone, so if you have thoughts on how this should be organized, structured, administered, promoted, tracked, etc., please put your ideas here. If this works well, I would plan to continue it for other sports, possibly to include some form of four-sport competition as well. |
| 1 | rockafellerskank
Leader
ID: 461124288
Fri, Sep 05, 2003, 20:37
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Guru,
Excellent idea. I look forward to following the progress. No slight to any of the many great players in this forum, but I'd enjoy follwoing teams by Dave R, blackjackis21, and Ref
rfs
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| 2 | blackjackis21
Leader
ID: 34837521
Fri, Sep 05, 2003, 23:44
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Back-patting aside, some (other) names that come to mind for me would include rfs, jedman, Tosh, The Bandwagon, JCS and Clach.
No thoughts on the peculiars right now, but perhaps later.
I love the idea - can't imagine whittling down to 10-12 people - good luck Guru!
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| 3 | Pimpski
ID: 475142911
Fri, Sep 05, 2003, 23:53
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Good idea - it will be fun to follow. I won't qualify, but if somebody wants to form a "b" league I'll consider joining.
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| 4 | Tosh
Donor
ID: 57721710
Sat, Sep 06, 2003, 00:01
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Dang. I read the thread, think of 6 names, and you guys already listed them.
D Dawkins seems to kick butt every year.
This is a great idea. I agree with bj21 that it will be tough to whittle down (but fun I'm sure).
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| 5 | Dave R
Leader
ID: 1367294
Sat, Sep 06, 2003, 00:32
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I would definately be interested
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| 6 | SmackDown
Donor
ID: 2283960
Sat, Sep 06, 2003, 02:13
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"Scoring will use the traditional roto-style ranking system, probably using the following 8 categories:
Percentages: FG%, FT%
Totals: 3 pt, reb, assists, steals, blocks, points
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I Love that idea if I have a shot in hell in getting in. Reminds me of the ESPN Fantasy Football leagues. I liked the scoring by categories. Someone like Rodman was actually a viable option to boost your Boards. I miss that but felt ESPN was not giving away Jack for prizes. The shirts just weren't doing it for me I guess. LOL
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| 7 | Ace forever
ID: 287391614
Sat, Sep 06, 2003, 10:43
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I'm with pimpski...I love this game but only have 1 year under my belt. I read this forum every day and would love to join a league with the same kind of people. Please keep me in mind but again, most likely a B league
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| 8 | Micheal
ID: 40830610
Sat, Sep 06, 2003, 11:57
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Bottom line, if you're not in the clique, you're not in.
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| 9 | Ace forever
ID: 287391614
Sat, Sep 06, 2003, 14:21
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I figured as much...but maybe if there are enough of us that would also like to do this then we can set up a second group! If you are interested then post and maybe something can be done.
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| 10 | wiggs
Donor
ID: 27830218
Sat, Sep 06, 2003, 15:20
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guru, I would like to be considered for invite.
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| 11 | KnicksFan
Donor
ID: 30815418
Sat, Sep 06, 2003, 15:32
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I'd like to be considered as well...And if you need persuasion, perhaps Mr. Washington can convince you... ;)
Just curious, is there going to be a limit on games played in this league?
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| 12 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Sat, Sep 06, 2003, 18:14
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Rules still to be determined, but assuming the league software can accommodate (and I'm sure it will), there will be some form of games played limit.
As I said, planning is still in its infancy. I'm just soliciting ideas for managers and ideas for setup during the formative stages.
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| 13 | Mike D
Donor
ID: 23715270
Sun, Sep 07, 2003, 07:59
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Just curious why Yahoo wouldn't be used Guru. Fairly stable platform already, and free as well.
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| 14 | clach
ID: 4112529
Sun, Sep 07, 2003, 08:46
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I'll be delighted to be part of it
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| 15 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Sun, Sep 07, 2003, 21:27
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The primary motiviation for using TSN (instead of Yahoo) is that I hope TSN will allow me to link the league standings for everyone to see. I don't believe Yahoo allows non-participants to view the league standings page. (CMIIW)
TSN will undoubtedly go through some early growing pains, but I think it will provide greater flexibility in publicizing results. We'll see.
I haven't made a final decision on this, however.
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| 16 | DR Stars
ID: 0839516
Mon, Sep 08, 2003, 07:59
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I'm sure you guys didn't forget, but since nobody wrote his handle I'll go ahead and post it. Guru should have a team.
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| 17 | Swish City
Sustainer
ID: 34634306
Mon, Sep 08, 2003, 08:41
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Sounds cool, i'd like to be considered as well.
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| 18 | rockafellerskank
Leader
ID: 461124288
Mon, Sep 08, 2003, 10:25
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I think 1 big question woulbe be keepers or not?
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| 19 | Mike D
Donor
ID: 38044119
Mon, Sep 08, 2003, 10:27
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I’d be interested to know the minimum number of trades necessary to play in the league. ;)
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| 20 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Mon, Sep 08, 2003, 11:06
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No keepers. One season only.
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| 21 | Farn
Sustainer
ID: 7822711
Mon, Sep 08, 2003, 11:10
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I like the nominations of Dave R, blackjackis21, Ref, Jedman, Clach, Dawkins, and of course the Guru.
Another idea based post #3 would be a minor league type division. A second tier type league with the winner receiving an automatic invite to the big leagues for the following year? Would be a good way for some of us who aren't as strong to improve our game against decent competition and earn a shot to play with the big boys.
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| 22 | SillySpheres at work
ID: 445571311
Mon, Sep 08, 2003, 11:13
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I would like to be considered for this league as well. I have played roto hoops for only 2 years, but I have been (moderately) successful thus far.
I agree with Farn's post in 21, both with the names listed and the idea of a B league.
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| 23 | Farn
Sustainer
ID: 7822711
Mon, Sep 08, 2003, 11:17
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my thought is that nominating yourself shouldn't really count. Typically managers who are top of the line will get the nod from someone else. Although I guess its all Guru's call I am thinking everyone nominating themselves is probably wasting their time.
If necessary I could probably run a B league. Not sure I would want that to be an open league either though, because there is nothing worse than a dead team or 10.
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| 24 | JCS in Morocco
ID: 1584389
Mon, Sep 08, 2003, 11:18
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This looks excellent! While just being considered for this league would be such an honor for me, I won't put my "candidacy" in, as I don't feel worthy of it, and I probably wouldn't have the time for it anyway next year.
Now about the names, in no particular order:
Dave R
jedman
blackjackis21
Tosh
Edgar
Ref
Darryl Dawkins
rockafellerskank
Ender
clach
philflyboy
Mike D
Species
El Tel
J
Senator Urine
KyCat
And if someone could get a hold of these guys, it could be interesting too :
Bethesda Panthers
KB8ers GM
Shelbyvillian
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| 25 | samuli
ID: 8510276
Mon, Sep 08, 2003, 12:44
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What are you up to in Morocco?
Sorry, OT.
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| 26 | Ender
Donor
ID: 21758267
Mon, Sep 08, 2003, 13:32
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I appreciate the nomination and would love to take part.
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| 27 | KnicksFan
Donor
ID: 30815418
Mon, Sep 08, 2003, 16:34
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I nominate Allhair Allstars, wherever he is.
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| 28 | KnicksFan
Donor
ID: 30815418
Mon, Sep 08, 2003, 17:04
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Rand, too.
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| 29 | Ender
Donor
ID: 13443221
Mon, Sep 08, 2003, 19:18
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Allhair is alive and well. I will see that he gets word of this and his nomination.
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| 30 | clach
ID: 4112529
Tue, Sep 09, 2003, 05:13
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I agree Jcs, you don't worth of it, eheheh
Seriously mate, french destroyed Italy at european champions, but we unbelievable took a revenge against germany and sent out of competition and to Olympic games Dirk Nowitzki!
Back to league, it would be nice add Youngbuck and Jerry Lewis. They'll provide a lot of funny trash talking
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| 31 | skinneej
Sustainer
ID: 983061
Tue, Sep 09, 2003, 05:42
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I know Shelby is still around as I play yahoo leagues with him, but probably like myself just reads the forum more than posts anymore. My interest wanes until hoops rolls around anyway. I see many good names already listed above. Most of them are all too familar as they are the managers I have battled the past few seasons in the Rotoguru's Own divisions. Guru, Bandwagon, KB8ers, Species, DaveR always seemed to be right there ahead of me no matter what. I'll throw out a honorable mention to Mike D as well since our teams battled for a Yahoo league title last season in hoops and his team just edged mine out at the end. Just had too many good players - darn you!
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| 32 | Mike D
Donor
ID: 23715270
Tue, Sep 09, 2003, 06:43
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skinneej in the house! Without question, a great battle last season bro. One of the best I've ever had or been part of. Any league really seeking top managers would seek you, but Guru knows that already.
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| 33 | allhair allstars
Sustainer
ID: 588897
Tue, Sep 09, 2003, 08:09
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KnicksFan, I'm honored by your mention. And thanks to Ender for the heads up, as well. Of course I'd play if tapped. Semi-retirement hasn't suited me all that well...
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| 34 | Rand
Donor
ID: 83231216
Tue, Sep 09, 2003, 11:29
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wow, thanks KnicksFan for mentioning me (btw, the cheque is in the mail:) Of course I'd love to compete against such stellar competition. I haven't been able to post very often, for many reasons, but come the basketball season I should be able to contribute more. Anyway, it was nice to be thought of, so thanks again dude.
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| 35 | Memphis Fan
ID: 21817922
Tue, Sep 09, 2003, 23:20
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Back to league, it would be nice add Youngbuck and Jerry Lewis.
Didn't you learn from last year Clach!
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| 36 | KTx
ID: 17711111
Tue, Sep 09, 2003, 23:59
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Whoa! an Allhair Allstars sighting!
If you're in the league, you better have Tyson Chandler and Eddy Curry!!! :-)
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| 37 | Ace forever
ID: 287391614
Wed, Sep 10, 2003, 00:14
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Is there anywhere to set up a kinda B version of what all you stars are doing?
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| 38 | Pimpski
ID: 475142911
Wed, Sep 10, 2003, 01:10
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Yahoo will do just fine for a second league. I understand Guru's desire to have his league linked for all to see, but a second league wouldn't have that need, and there would be no reason to pay for tsn. Really I'm not sure why tsn charges for roto leagues - I'm still failing to see what they offer that yahoo doesn't. And I like the idea about a winner of a second league getting promoted next year, but at the same time, that would require somebody to decide who gets accepted to said second league. More than 10-12 people will want to do it, and it would mean Guru having to make twice as many decisions. I think I'll just make a league for my 3-4 friends that play, and advertise the remaining 8 spots here closer to season time, so don't sweat it if you don't get chosen for these leagues... there will be plenty of competitive leagues out there for you.
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| 39 | Ace forever
ID: 287391614
Wed, Sep 10, 2003, 07:17
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What intrigued me about the league was the commitment of the players. The names that I see put forth are all names that I recognize from the posts. There were maybe 3 people in my league last year that really got inot it. I'm not sure if my abilities in fantasy sports are up to the challenge but I would like to play with players that check it daily and give advice on these sites and everything. That is kinda where I am right now and I hope that others of you are in the same boat as me. Maybe if some of you are then we can do somehting along the lines of simply entering our teams into the same divisions to get that competition. As of now I do not have any divisions for my ultimate teams and would love to move into a division with people like you guys. Let me know anything you can about this.
Dave
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| 40 | Mike D
Donor
ID: 38044119
Wed, Sep 10, 2003, 08:12
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Without question there will be Yahoo leagues formed from the Gurupies here. Typically that adds a lot of fun and competitiveness to any league.
I agree with Ace (Dave) that it is great to see so many names and interest. Guru's league of 10-12 managers (see post 1) will come nowhere near encompassing them all. That obviously isn't the intent of it though.
Hard to believe that round ball is so close. I can almost smell the hardwood.
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| 41 | Ender
Donor
ID: 21758267
Wed, Sep 10, 2003, 13:24
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As a person living in the Chicago area (Indiana side) we are ready to ride baseball as far as it takes us and then jump right to hoops. We're pretending (?) that football season doesn't even exist.
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| 42 | Mike D
Donor
ID: 38044119
Wed, Sep 10, 2003, 14:09
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Did you just mention the “f” word Ender?
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| 43 | Ref
Donor
ID: 100261311
Wed, Sep 10, 2003, 14:40
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Accidently hit basketball instead of baseball and saw this thread. I'm interested. I may only roto leagues this year as I'm starting to get burnt out in TSN's format, but I never get tired of roto leagues. I love the aspect of like-minded managers who understand how valuable trading can be to improve both teams. So I'd be interested in playing in this league.
As far as nominations go, there are well more than a dozen now that are some of the best players around, but there are some people from our 20 team and 24 team leagues that are top notch roto players too that have yet to be mentioned. Some of those include, StL Cards, Bandwagon, Peter N, Pistol Pete, Tosh, AP10, AZD (man there are so many others that I'm forgetting that I'll be upset with myself later) and others.
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| 44 | Ender
Donor
ID: 118461015
Wed, Sep 10, 2003, 16:49
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Sadly, that's what it's become in this area :P
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| 45 | Tree
Donor
ID: 398161019
Wed, Sep 10, 2003, 20:18
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well, i don't think i'm ready for some sort of expert's league, but i'd welcome kicking mike d's ass in yet another sport...;o)
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| 46 | Mike D
Donor
ID: 23715270
Wed, Sep 10, 2003, 21:14
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Doesn't it have to happen once in order for the next time to be called "another?" And, wouldn't it need to be more than once, many in fact, to be mentioned as "yet another?"
Just checkin'. Smart *ss. ;)
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| 47 | rockafellerskank
Leader
ID: 461124288
Wed, Sep 10, 2003, 21:17
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I'll stick 0.02 in here. I'd like to see each owner be required [encouraged?] to post a synopsis (sp?) of that's going on with their team/league bi-weekly. Let's face it, people are interested in the line of thought and why certain moves were made (or not made).
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| 48 | Mike D
Donor
ID: 23715270
Wed, Sep 10, 2003, 21:21
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So explanation of all the trades would be needed? With some of our trades rfs, that could be difficult. ;)
Seriously, detailed discussion about the league should be a must, a la some prior leagues in this and other sports. And on a somewhat regular basis. We often see this during drafting, but with little to no follow up.
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| 49 | Tortfeasor
Donor
ID: 55912113
Thu, Sep 11, 2003, 12:25
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Mike D-
So the commentary would make it sort of like a reality fantasy hoops show, right? ;)
I think biweekly commentary would add to it for sure.
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| 50 | Mike D
Donor
ID: 38044119
Thu, Sep 11, 2003, 12:27
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I guess so Tort. I never watch any of those shows though because they lack sports. ;)
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| 51 | skinneej
Sustainer
ID: 68461113
Thu, Sep 11, 2003, 15:30
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Hey MikeD, if you end up in this league I'd like to get the commentary from the person trading with you. I want to know how you can convince people to give you so much for so little! ;) I also enjoyed our football league last year even though my team was bad, but doing the weekly previews was fun. It was tough though coming up with the commentary on the many ways my team could lose that week. I would have started it up again this year, but I already had too many teams to worry about. I'm sure we'll end up in a hoops league together whether it's one of these or a Yahoo league. I'm more than ready for hoops to start again!
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| 52 | Mike D
Donor
ID: 38044119
Thu, Sep 11, 2003, 15:40
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LMAO! I told you already, it’s the Vulcan mind control thing. ;)
Those weekly previews you did in football were awesome. Except every time you picked me to win, I didn’t. I remember specifically requesting that you never, ever do that again!
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| 53 | Taxman
Leader
ID: 388241323
Sun, Sep 14, 2003, 20:23
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Dave, a nomination that deserves consideration would be BERNIE, who actually knows a thing or two about BBall. He Kicked butt in an ultimate league I was in last year....and that was the worst of his teams.
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| 54 | ukula
Donor
ID: 578171610
Tue, Sep 16, 2003, 11:51
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I think this league is a great idea! Anything that would take attention away from their Ultimate teams is a great idea!
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| 55 | philflyboy
Leader
ID: 407561421
Tue, Sep 16, 2003, 16:40
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it is always a privelege to play in a league of gurupies!! whether it is the "A", "B" or "C" division.
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| 56 | Comeback Kid
ID: 249431410
Wed, Sep 17, 2003, 22:43
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Trust me, you guys don't want to invite D-Dawkins to do this, I don't think he can handle non-point
based fantasy sports.
Especially if he doesn't have clowns trading him Lance Berkman for nothing, oh wait, wrong fantasy sport . . .
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| 57 | Comeback Kid
ID: 249431410
Wed, Sep 17, 2003, 23:38
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Ha-ha, just kidding
DD, BM just sent me the link for this, you should do it! It's early but sign up anyway.
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| 58 | Edgar
ID: 458944
Fri, Sep 19, 2003, 11:35
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Nice idea Guru! And thanks for the nomination JCS (eurosupport...). But I think I won't have enough time to play. However I would love to support a team from JCS or Clach and play together in a Eurosquad to share efforts and time to put in. What do you think Clach and JCS?
Also I think Swish City should be nominated and Ukula. FWIW.
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| 59 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Fri, Sep 19, 2003, 11:48
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I've been quiet lately, but I have been diligently working on a list of invitees. The list of names presented here has been helpful.
As I expected, coming up with a list of 12 invitees is very difficult. There are some names that are easy. But there are clearly more than 12 Gurupies who are demonstrably qualified, and I am disappointed that some will have to be left out - at least this time around. Hopefully, those who are not invited will not take is as a personal affront.
Assuming this doesn't blow up somehow (and I don't expect that), I would plan to continue it for at least baseball and football. Hockey is also possible, although I would not be a participant, which could make it more difficult to coordinate. Assuming for the moment that I want to avoid overlap between the 3 major sports (hoops, baseball, football), are there some people who were nominated above who might prefer to play baseball or football rather than hoops. If you play hoops, you will most likely not be invited for either of the other two sports unless I have trouble filling those leagues.
Also, although my initial intent was to ahave a 12 team hoops league, I am considering expanding it to 14 or 15 teams. If I were to do that, each team would probably have a slightly smaller roster, although I haven't yet formally determined the roster configuration requirements.
The upside of a larger league is more participants. The downside is that each player on your roster takes on heightened significance, and an injury becomes that much more crippling. But with 29 NBA teams, a 14-15 team fantasy league doesn't seem absurd.
Any feedback on either of these considerations?
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| 60 | Dave R
Leader
ID: 1367294
Fri, Sep 19, 2003, 12:03
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Guru, email sent
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| 61 | clach
ID: 4112529
Fri, Sep 19, 2003, 12:05
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I played only basketball and have no problem to share my account with other eurogurupies like Edgar ask
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| 62 | Mike D
Donor
ID: 41831612
Fri, Sep 19, 2003, 12:15
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A slightly bigger league makes sense, as you said, because of the number of NBA teams and people that get playing time. Rosters could still be of decent size as well.
Regarding the other sports, nice way to involve more Gurupies----by using different players for each sport (where possible, which shouldn't be too hard).
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| 63 | rockafellerskank
Leader
ID: 461124288
Sun, Sep 21, 2003, 10:46
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Guru 59:
Just an observation based on the deep league that Ref & I run, I'd expect that the more owners you get, the more conservative play will be. The fewer owners and there would be mnore agressive play.
The reason being that as the top tier talent is spread out, you have tougher decisions to make when it comes to trades. For example, can you trade a good F/C for a stud G? If there are more options available on your bench or on the WW, perhaps you can, but if the league is deeper, you might not go that route because the "risk" is too high.
I'm not stating an opinion, just making an observation about how I think # of owners might impact playing style.
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| 64 | Smartone @work
ID: 22815228
Mon, Sep 22, 2003, 11:07
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Guru, please consider J, SW and me
thanks
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| 65 | Stuck in the Sixties
Leader
ID: 274132811
Wed, Sep 24, 2003, 10:32
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Guru:
I'd like to play but don't think I'm qualified for the A league.
If anyone decides to set up B or C leagues in Yahoo or whereever, please let me know
Don
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| 66 | Ender
Donor
ID: 10833178
Wed, Sep 24, 2003, 13:35
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Guru, can we have an update on how sign-ups are going? Those of us who are not on the A list could use the time to start setting up the B and C leagues.
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| 67 | Farn
Sustainer
ID: 7822711
Thu, Sep 25, 2003, 09:08
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Agreeing with Ender. If Guru can give us a list of people he is considering we can start getting us second (or 5th) tier guys going on a "B" league.
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| 68 | jedman
Sustainer
ID: 315192219
Mon, Sep 29, 2003, 20:34
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I appreciate being considered for this league, but I have to pass. I'm still debating whether or not to play TSN. My business is requiring way more time now and I don't see that changing anytime soon. The business climate in California is pretty tough right now. I've never done a roto-style league and I would not want to be in a league with all top notch players and just drag it down.
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