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Subject: TSN Player Discussion
Posted by: jedman
- Sustainer [315192219] Sat, Oct 18, 2003, 13:07
I posted this in the Please,Please thread, but maybe a new thread is warranted. I just wanted a place to discuss players for TSN, not rosters, just players and their outlook. I am not in any Roto leagues and a player's outlook for TSN can certainly be different than for a Roto league. So here goes:
I just was reading that Nick Van Exel is flying to Dallas to have his knee checked and he isn't ruling out surgery. This could give added value to Speedy Claxton.
Has anybody seen this kid Arroyo from Utah? Rotowire says he has the inside track on being the starting PG there.
Anybody know the latest on Zack Randolph's PT in Portland? It seems when he plays, he does well. Is he gonna be a 30 minute guy or less?
Seems like the reasonable cheapies are at guard this year, Ford,Wade,Arroyo,Diaw.
I haven't heard much talk about Yao. At 6.79, he seems pretty reasonably priced compared to a lot of others. Is Van Gundy going to run more of the offense through him? His pre-season numbers have been pretty good so far |
| 1 | Jazz Dreamers
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Sat, Oct 18, 2003, 13:36
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I've noticed that Marc Jackson's numbers are going up in the preseason in Philly. Will be a regular part of their rotation? Will he be starting at center for them? He'd be a very nice option at C if he became eligible and was playing 30 minutes a game.
I like Yao, but his schedule is pretty ugly, so I am going to wait and see how quickly the Houston offense gels around giving him the ball. He could easily be worth much more than $7 million, especially considering how weak the center position is, but his November schedule is awful.
What is the word on Dunleavy's role in Golden State? He could really emerge as a fantasy force given his low price, but he still seems like a question mark to me. Also, I read that he was injured in practice on Monday? I don't know the severity of this -- anyone have more details?
Does Jake Voskuhl have a role in Phoenix, where he can put up 20 TSNP/game? The centers look so bad as a whole that I am actually considering him.
Are people starting with Duncan and/or Garnett? It seems like it would be difficult to start with both, but San Antonio and Minnesota both have nice starting scheds and they can be held through 11/21 and 11/14 respectively.
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| 2 | jedman
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Sat, Oct 18, 2003, 14:09
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Dunleavy will definitely get more minutes this year. I would think for his price he is worth a shot on a team. I don't think the injury was anything serious, but I guess we'll know in a few days.
Yao's schedule is bad now that I look at it, but I still might consider him.
I have Duncan on one team so far, but it just seems to me from memory, which isn't what it used to be, that he starts off slowly each year and those that have him are whining about spending $11 mill for nothing.
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| 3 | joe suspect
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Sat, Oct 18, 2003, 18:36
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Diaw: I'll pass on him until he shows something in the regular season. He's had one good game so far, but his others have disturbingly low point/minute ratios.
TJ Ford: He still can't shoot, and has a decent backup behind him in Strickland. If Wade's injury is serious then I might consider him.
Arroyo: I'm considering him. He's projected to start, with no quality backup and on a bad team with nothing to lose. With the new offense Utah is putting in place, my only concern is that early on the Utah players will be out of sync for stretches. This could affect his assists enough to drop him below that 20TSNP mendoza line (who is that libe named after here?).
Voskuhl: I fear the 3 headed monster rearing it's head (and the knees of Gugliotta) in Phoenix. But, I'm still going to keep an eye on him and his minutes.
Here's a new one: Lee Nailon? I would think he would get a decent chunk of minutes behind Jackson and Glover, and if either of them are cold then Nailon is the closest thing to instant offense that Atlanta has coming off the bench.
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| 4 | jedman
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Sat, Oct 18, 2003, 19:26
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Any thoughts on Kwame Brown? He's a year older, seems to me the flashes he showed last year make him a consideration at a price under $5 mill. His pre-season numbers seem ok to this point.
Crawford seems like a must to at least start the season.
Ginobili should be healthy this year, will that translate into more minutes and TSNP? Is he starting in San Antonio?
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| 5 | Guru
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Sat, Oct 18, 2003, 20:25
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Although he hasn't yet been named a starter, Chris Bosh looks pretty interesting at $2m.
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| 6 | joe suspect
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Sat, Oct 18, 2003, 21:44
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Just curious, but do many managers put much stock into the "starts slow/fast" theory when putting a team together?
As far as Duncan starting slowly, I looked at last year and he does seem to start slower, but I'm not sure if that's enough to keep me from drafting him -- especially without seeing how Garnett's numbers are affected by Cassell & Spree.
A slow Duncan seems to equal an average Nowitzki, even without factoring in Jamison.
So, I guess it's Duncan and McGrady to start with for me.
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| 7 | joe suspect
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Sat, Oct 18, 2003, 21:52
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Jedman, Kwame is another 'wait and see' for me. I'm trying a new (and hopefully improved) draft strategy this year where I look at last seasons YTD # for mt studs, preason/projected #'s for cheapies, and last season's last 30 for the mid-range players. Kwame's $$$$ puts him into my mid-range for now.
Of course, my strategy is also making me deal with the "Dion Glover Dilema" ;-)
p.s. I am home with a stomach virus, so YES...I have nothing better to do.
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| 8 | SmackDown
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Sat, Oct 18, 2003, 23:24
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2 jedman
Your Memory is CORRECT. I had him last year and was getting dogged int he standings. Kepy holding on to him thinking the game after I sell him he will blow up. Well I just kepy getting dogged.
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| 9 | WonderB
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Sun, Oct 19, 2003, 11:00
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the options at duncans price are limited by schedule. i've seen duncan on most of the rosters people have posted. to me this means-
A: he won't go up in value.
B: if he does start slow as mentioned here, you have him, you won't lose ground because everyone has him.
C: if he does blow up say like koby did last year and you DON'T have him you will lose ground on everyone.
of course all the opposites are true. you just have to decide whether your a risk taker or not.
a kenny rogers song comes to mind. you got to know when to.......
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| 10 | WonderB
ID: 4481699
Sun, Oct 19, 2003, 11:50
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This was originally posted for some rookies the the TSN forum so please forgive my over explaining (cut and paste-to lazy to retype and reword). but i thought it applied to my earlyer comment on duncan and in general.
the question was: what hi priced players will make money so i can get the points too.
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if you want to figure that you will have to go to the schedules. the stars make it on the schedule.
look at garnett. he has a decent first couple of weeks. but he has gaps starting on the 9th and 15th of november. who are these owners going to buy for garnett. possibly ben wallace. if they can switch positions they can go iverson. there are other possibilities.
so i would expect garnett's price to stay the same untill the 9th. i doubt there will be many buys after opening day. but enough owners to keep his price stable. then on the 9th he will start to slip and then go down as the 15th approches.
so your choices are two. do i want to grab the points at the beggining with not much $ value gained, then use a trade to hop on a star going up in value.
or just get the expected money making star now and sacrifice a few points and save the trade.
for mid priced players you could do the same thing.
take odom. i see him on alot of teams including mine untill i took him out. he seems set for a good year. he opens up with a fast 5 games. then has one game in 6 days. i wouldn't hold a $7M dollar player though that and take the $ hit. so who are people going to buy on the 5th. it's the day we get trades so everyone has plenty of them - money difference won't be a factor if figuring the price mover. at the moment i see Ben, Labron james and andri kirilenko as possibles with the strongest schedules.
which one to pick? the trouble here is production. the boy doing it in the first week will be your man.
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| 11 | BronBron
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Sun, Oct 19, 2003, 16:37
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How about Andre Miller? The guy is in a contract year. He can pass the ball but also direct the offense through himself, if needed.
Another guy worth considering is Eddy Curry, at the C position you probably won't find a better "cheapie".
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| 12 | TwoPumps
ID: 21058102
Sun, Oct 19, 2003, 23:20
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Guru...I like Bosh too, I doubt he will "start" with O"Neil loving Curry a guy he brought to teach others his defencsive scheme....yet Bosh still might get starter minutes...as Curry only plays about 20 minutes. The key here is Jerome Williams, right now JYD is ironically in a dog house, so Bosh is getting ore playing time. If jerome gets back to about 25 minutes Bosh will be around 20 or so...10 minutes under the 30 or so he is getting now.
If Bosh gets the minutes, he will be a great pick up, and at 2,00 he doesnt need a lot of those minutes to be worth his price tag. Bosh is another guy in the Zach Randolph mold (not physically but production wise). If these guys get upwards of 30 minutes watch out!.
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| 13 | xpdurmind
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Sun, Oct 19, 2003, 23:42
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IMHO,I strongy beleive that Duncan will have a strong start this season:
1. He has a championship to defend
2. He will want to prove that he can do it again without the Admiral.
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| 14 | Pacers Rule
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Mon, Oct 20, 2003, 23:03
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I like Raef LaFrentz in Boston. Vin Baker is intriguing at his low price (under 3). He looks to be at his lowest weight since college and whether he starts or not (may start @ the 4) will probably get 25 to 30 minutes a night. Won't be a stud but will get some numbers for his price.
Not the hottest schedule in Boston, but there are worse schedules out there.
Why won't Curry get way more minutes than 20 a night?
Also, What do you think about Peja? I figure he will have additional responsibilities for scoring and minutes with Webber out to start. Also, because Sac. has a somewhat weak schedule and he's priced at 6+, I expect he won't be too heavily owned. If he rachets up his numbers as I expect, when his schedule improves in week 2 he might get a little money lift in addition to some nice numbers. Thoughts?
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| 15 | threespleens
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Tue, Oct 21, 2003, 05:46
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2 thoughts on the denver box score from today:
andre miller- 39 minutes and 0 assists... i think this is 2 games now with big minutes and no dimes... might not be a great option in a roto league as your pg?
j. barry - DNP - CERVICAL STRAIN - shouldnt he be in the wnba?
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| 16 | TwoPumps
ID: 21058102
Tue, Oct 21, 2003, 06:26
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I think they were experimenting with Dre last night giving Earl Boykins the start at PG, with their 2 starting SG J.Barry and Veshon Lenard not playing. So I dont think this anything to panic about.
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| 17 | Scrambled Eggs
ID: 4944215
Tue, Oct 21, 2003, 07:55
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What do you all think about the mavs-celtics deal concerning TSN players outlook?
Seems that after dealing away both Kenny and Delk, the Cletics are realy set up to make Marcus Banks their leading PG. Seems like a big gammble to me, but he might be good TSN-wise.
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| 18 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Tue, Oct 21, 2003, 11:06
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In preseason - which is admittedly not always a good indicator - Banks has averaged only 11.2 TSNP/G while getting an avg of 25 minutes. Not a very good ratio.
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| 19 | leopard88
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Tue, Oct 21, 2003, 11:18
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I will closely watch Welsch 's minutes in the last week. Don't like Boston's schedule though. They have a 1 in 5 after the 1st.
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| 20 | JCS
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Tue, Oct 21, 2003, 16:47
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It looks like Mike James is still ahead of Marcus Banks in Boston's rotation. Right now it looks like too much of an uncertainty to even consider having him on my roster. However, I see where you're coming from. There's still 48 minutes to be distributed at the PG spot, and at the moment they're the only 2 players who'll share these minutes. But I'm expecting the Celts to sign a veteran free-agent PG before the upcoming season, so all in all Banks will stay off my team until further developments.
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| 21 | G-MAN
ID: 28758304
Thu, Oct 23, 2003, 06:49
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Which player will replace G. Robinson in the firts three Philli Games? Salomons or McKie?
And how great will be the impact of rookie pavlovic in Utah? Can he play shooting guard and small forward?
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| 22 | Jazz Dreamers
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Thu, Oct 23, 2003, 13:47
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Are people thinking of taking a flyer with Vin Baker? Given that he's cheap and classified as a center, he's almost worth it if he can put up 20 TSNP/game. And since he should get 30+ minutes per game and is supposedly in good shape, I think I might give the man a shot. Or the shot may be me shooting myself in the foot.
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| 23 | DeanMartin
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Thu, Oct 23, 2003, 13:53
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Been seriously considering Vin Baker as the center position is always a headache with wasted trades it seems every year. You can argue that he could be held all the way till mid December given his production is good. I've read he's in excellent shape and seems to have the alcoholism in check. Hope he steers clear of the hotel bars and strip clubs!
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| 24 | JCS
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Thu, Oct 23, 2003, 13:57
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I think I'm gonna draft Eddie Gridden from Dallas on my initial roster.
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| 25 | DeanMartin
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Thu, Oct 23, 2003, 14:18
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Noticed many GM's are leaning towards drafting Gerald Wallace who can be classified as a cheapie. According to this ESPN article Webber insists he won't miss more than a few weeks of the season. If Webber does return 2-3 weeks into the season everyone with Wallace will have to burn a trade on a cheapie player short term and the Kings schedule isn't all that great anyway. That to me is exactly what I'm hoping to avoid with a good draft, not having to waste trades on cheapies the first few weeks of the season. Thoughts on this anyone?
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| 26 | Blooki@Work
ID: 24920611
Thu, Oct 23, 2003, 16:13
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1 F Bosh, Chris N D W Tor 2,000 0 150.0 6 25.0 12.5 29 14.0 .2.45....01.3.56.8.0..3..67.
2 F Wallace, Gerald N D W Sac 1,820 0 171.5 7 24.5 13.5 29 27.0 .2.45...9.1.3.5.78.0..3.5.7.
Wow, the similarities are uncanny. Currently mulling over who to pick between these two.
Bosh has struggled lately and seems to be on a downward trend. Also, he's probably been getting a lot more minutes than he will during the regular season. However, I do see him as a longer hold and should the coach eventually choose to start him over Moiso, he'll probably explode in both performance and price.
Wallace will probably be matching his preseason performance. There's no reason to believe that his minutes will go down as long as Webber is still out. I have confidence that Webber will stay out for a while despite what any reports may say. However, on the other side of the coin, there's no reason to believe that Wallace's minutes and performance will go up either. With more talent surrounding Wallace, I don't see him averaging any more than 25 TSNP/g (which I will be happy with), but could Bosh do more? Also, Bosh, if productive, could be held indefinitely. Wallace however, will probably need to be dropped Thanksgiving-ish regardless of how well he performs.
Anyone else have some insights?
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| 27 | TwoPumps
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Thu, Oct 23, 2003, 17:07
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I think Wallace from the looks of it will be more heavily owned and have less room to move in price....Bosh might be the bigger risk, but the bigger the risk the less intial owns and the more room for price movement if he does explode.
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| 28 | Jazz Dreamers
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Thu, Oct 23, 2003, 17:46
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If Wallace takes off, he will make large gains way before his schedule requires him to be traded. So if you think he will do well with Webber out, he makes a good choice. Right now I am staying away from him (at the moment going with Mike Dunleavy and Marc Jackson as cheap forwards), but I am certainly considering him and a few others as alternative choices at forward.
Also, as a general principle, almost any cheapie has the potential to be a big gainer. The heavily owned ones could become big losers if they start out slow, but even heavily-owned cheapies are missing from a lot of starting lineups. Yes, Bosh has more potential buyers than Wallace will when the season starts, but the logarithmic pricing scheme will dampen out the effect that has on his price swings.
Early season, I am happy to have a cheapie who gains $500K to $1000K within a couple of weeks and then has to be moved (because of schedule or price correction). There will likely be a good alternative at that point, and using trades on cheapies early in the season to make money is a good strategy. I'd be much less happy to make a lot of money from owning a cheapie short-term in January or February, because I know that the RV gained can only be used for part of the season.
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| 29 | Pat Wright
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Fri, Oct 24, 2003, 00:51
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I read somewhere that Britton Johnsen could be starting for Orlando at small forward, leaving giricek coming off the bench. Has anyone else heard anything about this?
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| 30 | Blooki@Work
ID: 24920611
Fri, Oct 24, 2003, 09:16
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Yes, Britton Johnsen will be starting while Garrity is out. Giricek is slated to be the spark off of the bench.
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| 31 | Pancho Villa
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Fri, Oct 24, 2003, 09:29
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How can Marc Jackson(Phil), not be center eligible? That was his position in his breakout season with GS a couple years ago, and even though he dropped off the radar with the TWolves, I think that's where he played in the few minutes he saw there.
Yahoo box scores indicate that Jackson is the center and Coleman the forward, though it's likely interchangeable. If Kenny Thomas is going to be out for a while, Jackson could be a decent alternative as a cheapie center for awhile.
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| 32 | qwert
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Fri, Oct 24, 2003, 10:17
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Blooki, re: Bosh
O'Neill is very high on him and has made clear his intention to play him. The encouraging thing about the last two games is despite horrid shooting nights (from the line in the first and field in the second), he still chipped in 8 boards and a few blocks and got it done. Particularly against some of the smaller front courts, I think bosh could put up some big games.
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| 33 | leopard88
ID: 289273013
Fri, Oct 24, 2003, 10:44
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Jackson is interesting. Kenny Thomas is expected back this weekend.
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| 34 | Species
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Fri, Oct 24, 2003, 12:18
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Marc Jackson was about ready to make my squad when I saw the Kenny Thomas news. While you'd think Jackson might still see 20 min. a game playing both the 4 and 5, is it enough?
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| 35 | Blooki@Work
ID: 24920611
Fri, Oct 24, 2003, 12:42
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Jackson averaged 28 minutes per game and produced 20.4 TSNP during that time. Cut those minutes down to 20 minutes and you're looking at a little under 15 TSNP per game. That's not enough for $2.27mil for me.
Now if you think he'll produce at a better TSNP/min ratio or if you think he'll still get a lot of minutes per game, then I'd say he's a good pick. Just depends on each manager's projections and gut feeling.
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| 36 | Blooki@Work
ID: 24920611
Fri, Oct 24, 2003, 13:07
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Hmmm... if I go w/ Bosh over Wallace, I can field a team with RV of $49.98mil. :) I'm tempted to do it just for the heck of it.
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| 37 | Astade
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Fri, Oct 24, 2003, 16:22
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From Roto Times:
Oct. 24 The St. Paul Pioneer Press reports that T'Wolves guard Troy Hudson injured his left ankle in last night's preseason game and will be out for a couple of weeks
Aside from the vague 'couple of weeks' does this mean that Cassell will play alot more? Cassell is pretty steep $7+, but he might be a good pick to differentiate with
any thoughts?
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| 38 | 624
ID: 423551416
Fri, Oct 24, 2003, 19:29
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Wallace > Bosh...stronger schedule and slightly less expensive.
Wallace -> Bosh on Nov 26 is a smooth transition.
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| 39 | T-Mac
ID: 9935923
Fri, Oct 24, 2003, 19:39
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lol posts like the last one 624 made always gives me a good laugh.
Wallace -> Bosh on Nov 26 is a smooth transition.
First of all you would only go into Bosh if he was doing well right? But if he's doing well I don't see why you wouldn't go into him early to make money? Same goes for wallace, if he does crap and starts to lose money, I highly doubt you will be holding him.
So what you are saying is you hope Wallace stays good (production and money) while hoping Bosh does crappy until the 26th (making no money) until AFTER you buy him, then he starts to do good and make money.
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| 40 | 624
ID: 423551416
Fri, Oct 24, 2003, 19:55
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Check your facts before you say anything. Wallace plays more games than Bosh until the 26th. Also Bosh plays tougher teams (NJ, @Min, Dal, @Por, @LA, @Sac, Hou, Phi, @NJ...9 of first 13 games). Bosh may struggle, he may not get more minutes against WC teams..although he may be in the fourth quarter garbage time.
From the 26th onward Toronto plays weaker frontline teams (mainly EC teams), where he has a better chance of flourishing.
Wallace plays weak EC teams where he should get many minutes. Plus a lot of them are home games. Also, you know what to expect from Wallace. Wallace will get minutes with Cwebb injured, and against crappy EC teams he will get garbage time minutes.
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| 41 | T-Mac
ID: 9935923
Fri, Oct 24, 2003, 20:02
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you know what to expect from wallace? This is exactly the point I was trying to get at. The 2 players in question, Wallace and Bosh are by no means sure things (certainly not Bosh). I could see myself buying someone like Duncan even if his production up to that point hasn't been too good, cuz well its Duncan. Now for Bosh, if he doesn't show me any big #'s i'm not gonna get him, I have no reason to believe he will blow up or start getting good and be good.
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| 42 | 624
ID: 423551416
Fri, Oct 24, 2003, 20:05
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But at least you know more about Wallace than Bosh, right?
I always go with the players I'm more sure on. Having Wallace allows me to see how Bosh is doing, and if he is ok, then I'll go for him on the 26th. If he's ok against those tougher teams, then I'll take my chances on him vs the weaker teams.
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| 43 | KnicksFan
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Fri, Oct 24, 2003, 22:18
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Atlanta went with an eight man rotation tonight and all the starters got their regular season minutes. Diaw played 25 minutes, so hopefully this is what can be expected of him when the reg. season starts.
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| 44 | Blooki
ID: 187142710
Sat, Oct 25, 2003, 01:41
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Unfortunately, in those 27 (according to ESPN, dunno where you got the 25 from and I'm not sure which one of us is right) minutes he failed to produce double-digit TSNPs. ::sigh:: Cheapies...
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| 45 | Pacers Rule
ID: 4095190
Sat, Oct 25, 2003, 01:49
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Ok, I take it back about Raef Lafrentz. So far, not showing much there in Boston. But, yes, Vin Baker is BACK (or well on his way). At 2.3 mil or whatever, that's a total steal that should make money as hopefully a lot of folks won't have him right away since the opening schedule is kind of mediocre.
Also, strangely enough, I've decided to go with J.O. at C/F for 9 mil. My logic? Back isn't too bad if he played the last 2 preseason games after stating publicly that he was going to rest for them, and with the "injury" a lot of people should stay away to start, giving him good price potential as the Pacers run their offense through him, and he plays a lot of minutes as usual, racking up those 40 tsnp games. Agree/Disagree?
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| 46 | Blooki
ID: 187142710
Sat, Oct 25, 2003, 02:12
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I'm going to have to take T-Mac's side on this one 624. Although I may be very wrong, I don't think it's wise to be planning at this point in the season (or point not in the season) what to do with a potentially volatile cheapie like Wallace 4 weeks into the season. All you can do right now is pick the cheapies that will perform, pick the studs that put you on hot schedule tracks, set it and forget it (until you make that first trade that is, then it's all over...).
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| 47 | JCS
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Sat, Oct 25, 2003, 09:24
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I agree with KnicksFan about Atlanta, their rotation seem to be quite set now, and it looks like it can safely be expected to see Diaw get +20 minutes every night, for those interested. The interesting thing about him is that he can get SWP in every category, a bit like Nene last year.
Getting Jermaine O'Neal to start the season is an original strategy. I know there are four studs I'd rather have on my opening night roster. All depends on what you expect from him and the overall balance of your team. I just don't see the 60-SWP explosion potential in him right now, while I see it in the 4 others.
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| 48 | Pat Wright
ID: 2411414
Sat, Oct 25, 2003, 10:07
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what do you think about this team? Any thoughts? I'm trying to keep money on hand in case of injuries, fallots, things like that. I am also trying to make a lot of money.
Jamal Crawford
Dwayne Wade
PJ Brown
Raef Lefrentz
Eddy Curry
Carlos Arroyo
12.47 million on hand
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| 49 | Ender
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ID: 13443221
Sat, Oct 25, 2003, 11:54
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I think you have too much cash left over. You can definitely plug in a more known quantity who is much more likely to explode for 50+ TSNP any given night.
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| 50 | Jesus Saves
ID: 40917810
Sat, Oct 25, 2003, 12:56
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Hey Pacers, You should stay away from those Pacers players... way overrated team. :-) Actually why not start with Ben Wallace instead of O'Neal for his 9 mil or whatever and his good starting schedule (actually great starting schedule starts slow and picks up really fast.. just about the time everyone else starts picking him up $)
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| 51 | Pat Wright
ID: 2411414
Sat, Oct 25, 2003, 12:57
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hey reggie miller is going to have a break out season..........
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| 52 | Pacers Rule
ID: 4095190
Sat, Oct 25, 2003, 14:29
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LOL.
Good question, Jesus Saves. I had thought about that before. Wallace looks strong and so does his schedule, esp. in week 2 and beyond. Fortunately, there just might be room for both....
Now... JCS- you are very subtle. I understand "original strategy" to mean 'bad idea' I agree with you the 60 point night is unlikely for J.O. But I think 50 is realistic. I do know, as an expert on the team (in my own eyes) that the offense will run through him and he'll get lots of touches. There are others (e.g. Duncan) who will out-point him. But I think J.O. may "out-price" them because he's going to be solid, plus with a reasonable price, and more limited initial ownership, there will be more buys than sells, most likely once the market realizes he's producing consistently.
I could almost get to Shaq to allay my fears about Curry's price downside if I'd dump Peja in favor of Okur. More research is needed there. Any news on Okur's likely minutes to start the season?
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| 53 | kentucky indians
ID: 6936164
Sat, Oct 25, 2003, 20:31
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I'm I the only one impressed enough by David West to consider starting him??? Am i nuts??? His preseason numbers are great and at $0.5M he has no downside....unless he gets no playing time.... Any Hornets scouts out there to give me their "nickle" opinion??
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| 54 | 624
ID: 423551416
Sat, Oct 25, 2003, 22:09
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After I heard about Mashburn's injury, I thought about West real hard. But I also knew that would mean more touches and rebounds for Magloire. I think he will do real well early on.
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| 55 | Blooki@Work
ID: 24920611
Sun, Oct 26, 2003, 03:49
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So many attractive Fs, so few F slots... ::sigh::
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| 56 | Blooki@Work
ID: 24920611
Sun, Oct 26, 2003, 04:01
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Kenny Thomas is indeed back. Marc Jackson may need to be reconsidered. Make your decisions accordingly.
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| 57 | KnicksFan
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Mon, Oct 27, 2003, 16:58
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Francisco Elson is tempting me. He's backing up Camby at center, but there is no indication of whether he will be the first backup or a third stringer. His preseason numbers are outstanding for a 500K center. Does anyone have more info on this future stud?
Otherwise I am considering Desagana Diop, who I know for sure is the primary backup to Zydrunas. The only problem with him is that his price is 1.9 Million and I doubt his ownership will be high enough to avoid gravity.
Thoughts?
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| 58 | Blooki@Work
ID: 24920611
Mon, Oct 27, 2003, 17:03
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I can almost guarantee Diop will be in gravity.
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| 59 | RecycledSpinalFluid
ID: 127421915
Mon, Oct 27, 2003, 17:28
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I'd bet Elson has a larger ownership than Diop, just due to being 500K. Although, I seriously doubt either have enough ownership to be out of the range of gravity.
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| 60 | CJ
Donor
ID: 499271021
Tue, Oct 28, 2003, 01:03
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I hear Fortson, Danny is the starting Center for DAL but he is not listed for that position? Might be on of the first weeks position update?
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| 61 | Gary
ID: 341511121
Tue, Oct 28, 2003, 01:29
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What about Vin Baker. I think that he is a great buy at center.
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| 62 | Pooh on a Stick
ID: 322122822
Tue, Oct 28, 2003, 02:33
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I like Vin Baker, cagey vet and off the booze.
I'm nervous about Dian's performance.
Of Crawford, Chandler & Curry, what 2 are a must have?
What's this I hear about Brian Pytlewski as a back up center? At .5 he could be a roster saver
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| 63 | Blooki@Work
ID: 24920611
Tue, Oct 28, 2003, 09:21
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Crawford and Curry are better picks than Chandler (who is injured), but I would hardly call any of them must-haves.
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| 64 | Fat Moses
ID: 15929288
Tue, Oct 28, 2003, 09:32
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hey Blooki@Work
what does "gravity" mean exactly? i'm semi-new to this site, so i haven't picked up on all of the jargon.
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| 65 | Blooki@Work
ID: 24920611
Tue, Oct 28, 2003, 09:53
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Gravity kicks in when a player isn't owned by enough managers. You'll notice throughout the year that a large majority of the lesser known players or players with weak schedules with lose $30,000 a day. This is not because there are managers selling them, but rather because this concept of gravity is in effect to bring prices down to levels where players will become more attractive as the season rolls on. Players break gravity when a certain quota of ownership is met. Where this is, only TSN knows. But as you gain more experience, you'll get a better feel of how many managers you can expect to be picking up certain players. If you don't think a player will be widely owned enough to break gravity, you have to weight whether his production and potential for gaining money in the near future will outweigh taking a price hit of $30K each day until the day other managers may possibly buy into him as well.
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| 66 | Species
Leader
ID: 569221717
Tue, Oct 28, 2003, 11:05
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Fortson is going to be interesting.....the problem here is not only is Fortson unreliable in terms of his health (although reports show he's slimmer, yada yada yada), but then you have the Don Nelson factor where he goes small so often, you wonder what kind of consistency Fortson will bring. I can certainly imagine more than a few 45 TSNP games, but they could be overshadowed by 5 games with 15 TSNP.
Just food for thought.
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