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0 Subject: RIHC - Draft Rationales (rounds 10+)

Posted by: Guru
- [330592710] Thu, Oct 23, 2003, 15:37

Please review the initial rationale thread for rounds 1-9 of the RotoGuru Invitational Hoops Challenge (RIHC).
107Rand
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Tue, Oct 21, 2003, 13:42
10.01 Tayshaun Prince, F, Det
Maybe I took him a little early? Another guy (like Lebron, and a few others on my team), that I have a difficult time figuring out exactly what I'm getting. From what I've seen, Tayshaun is electric and has the chance to be a major player on a top team. Crossing my fingers on this one and hoping Prince makes a major impact this season.
108lionprideguy
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Tue, Oct 21, 2003, 13:42
10.02 Antonio McDyess, F, NY
Yet another gamble, which made me nervous to make this pick since I was already carrying so many others with Miles, Miller, Kwame, and Van Exel. I decided that I would hope that just 2-3 of these 5 would turn out, two would be busts, and I would have to draft a little more conservatively and solid in the later rounds to cover myself. The only alternative here was to draft Quentin Richardson who I am very optimistic about, but I already had so many wild shooters and drafting him a little early just so I could have a local player to watch is always bad roto strategy.

I took McDyess at this point because there was really nobody else on the board that interested me at all. Instead, everybody available seemed like a lot of average players who I could mix and match without much regret for missing out on anybody. In contrast, I thought McDyess was the one guy out there who could have make an impact if he gets back to playing again. I don't know if he'll ever be healthy again, but in round 10 even if he is only a shadow of his former self, he might still be able to get enough rebounds and blocks to be at least equal to the rest of the big men who were available, like Antonio Davis, Brendan Haywood, and Battier, and potential to be much, much better. Everybody in New York has kept very quiet about his status, but I did see that he was on the court again, running and cutting, far ahead of the swimming-pool workouts that I thought he was limited to. They are starting to talk about having him scrimmage in the next week even. I don't believe David Aldridge's All-Star break return date, but believe somewhere around late November is possible and mid-December reasonable. When he came back initially last preseason, he put up big rebounding numbers, and he used to be a top-15 or 20 player as recently as 2-3 years ago. I know he won't return to that, but it's rare to be able to get someone with such talent so low. In round 10, with nobody else exciting, I didn't mind the possibility of wasting the pick if he never plays, if it could also pay off decently if he comes back with even just a part of his old game.

109philflyboy
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Tue, Oct 21, 2003, 13:43
10.03 Eddie Griffin, F, Hou
I didn’t think he would be in all this legal bind when I drafted him, I knew he was suspended but from what I had read it would not be a big deal by the time the season rolled around. He played pretty well last year after KT was traded so I was hoping that he would be a good source of boards for me. He is also a pretty good shot blocker. The playing time will be there for him if he can now get back on the court.
110blackjackis21
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Tue, Oct 21, 2003, 13:44
10.04 Mike Dunleavy, G/F, GS
With Jamison and Arenas gone from the Warriors this year, I think Dunleavy will get every opportunity to play and contribute to a Warriors team that, in my opinion, isn't likely to go too far and has nothing to lose by playing its youngsters (apologies to jedman). I like Dunleavy's potential to be an all-around player, contributing in many categories.
111Guru
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Tue, Oct 21, 2003, 13:46
10.05 Damon Stoudamire, G, Por
At the time of the pick, I thought that Stoudamire had the starting PG job in Portland, in spite of a wretched previous season, much of it spent collecting splinters. Subsequently, it seems that McInnis may still be in the running. Regardless, this is one of those picks with a lot of potential volatility in both directions. If he can't behave or produce, he becomes worthless. If he can get 30 mpg and produce similarly to the '00-'01 and '01-'02 seasons, then he could be a bargain. For now, I'm hoping for 13 ppg, 5.5 ass, 3.5 reb, 1.3 steals, and 83% FT. At age 30, he should have something left in the tank.

Or, he could always just tank.
112Doug
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Tue, Oct 21, 2003, 13:46
10.06 Shane Battier, G/F, Mem
When I made this selection, I made it solely on the basis that he was the best player available. I knew I was locking up my F slot and still needed two Gs (I had 2 Gs, 2 Cs, and 6 Fs) as well as some backups at C. When I found out Battier was G eligible, it was an unexpected but very, very welcome windfall, as it untied my hands for the next pick or two. I thought this was the right pick, even if he were only F eligible, but the G eligibility would turn out to be huge for me, because it made me decide to officially put Andre Miller on the trading block.
113ukula
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Tue, Oct 21, 2003, 13:47
10.07 Marcus Banks, G, Bos
I need assists. I need assists badly. Apparently the Celtics are going to give this guy ample time to lead the team. I'm glad turnovers won't count against me.
114hoopsklyce
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Tue, Oct 21, 2003, 13:47
10.08 Malik Rose, F, SA
Was looking for a power guy at this spot. I am hoping that Rose can add to his minutes with the departure of David Robinson. It is apparent at this point in the draft, though, that my team lacks blocks and Rose is not going to help here as much as I would like.
115Swish and Edgar
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Tue, Oct 21, 2003, 13:48
10.09 Bobby Jackson, G, Sac
When we made a queue for this pick (3 players) Bobby was the ranked at number 1. So it was obvious to pick him here. Sure he is not a starter, but still he might be the best 6th man in the league again. He seems to outplay Bibby in various games during the season as mentioned before. Also CW's injury might force SAC to play small ball more often with good chances of PT for Bobby. Bobby gives us good scoring and 3s with a decent FG% and excellent FT%. He will add a couple of assists and is a good rebounder for a guard. Needless to say we were very happy with selecting him in the 10th round. Other players we considered were Al Harrington and Derek Anderson.
116Dave R
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Tue, Oct 21, 2003, 13:49
10.10 James Posey, G/F, Mem
Starter in Memphis and with decent minutes should get some decent numbers, strong in steals &B's for a guard,plus I love G/F eligible players
117rockafellerskank
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Tue, Oct 21, 2003, 13:49
10.11 Antonio Davis, F/C, Tor
Can't put off a Center forever (although I did inquire about the possibility!) Davis has made noise about wanting to be traded. I think that will be bad for me if he is traded as he probably would fade off into Dale Davis like mediocrity. Year after year he is a double-double threat. I'd be satisfied with 13/9 and once center position off the "to do" list. Anything thing else he adds is gravy. F/C eligibility is a plus.

Ironically, Raef LaFrentz and Derrick Coleman were my other consideration at this slot. DC always is an injury concern (see pattern in my team) and I didn't think Raef was going to see enough PT in a crowded Dallas front court - this would have been my spot to look like a genius, huh?

118coldwater coyotes
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Tue, Oct 21, 2003, 13:51
10.12 Al Harrington, F, Ind
I am following a course of selecting good players who should show further improvement this year. Harrington joins Arenas, Odom, J. Richardson and D. Mason. An injury free Harrington will become a major component to the Pacers. He, not Pollard, will take over the void from the departure of Brad Miller and become O' Neal's complement up front.

11.01 Carlos Arroyo, G, Utah
What was I thinking in taking somebody whom I had never heard of prior to this pre-season? I promised to avoid rookies and hear I am falling into the trap of picking a rookie whose only real credentials are good pre-season stats. His present competition for starting PG is Lopez whom either has not fully recovered from injuries or lacks the ability to make it in the NBA. Providing that Utah does not lay out the money to find a real replacement to Stockton than Arroyo will show some good numbers.

119rockafellerskank
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Tue, Oct 21, 2003, 21:38
11.02 Derrick Coleman, F/C
So, I decided to draft another injury prone player. Surprised? When DC is healthy, he puts up solid number for long stretches. The key is only own DC when he is playing well and then dump him (read between the lines TRADE). Kenny Thomas is developing into a nice rebounded and Glenn Robinson is going to get some shots and DC is one year older, so I'll temper my expectations at bit and look for 10/8 from DC but several strings of games where he puts up 15/11. I'm also near last in blocks, so I'll take that measly 1.0 BPG that DC gives also.

I was looking at all centers at this spot to fill out my roster. Same logic as pick 10.11 on the Raef issue.
120Dave R
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Tue, Oct 21, 2003, 23:55
11.03 Erick Dampier, C, GS
I wanted another center as the two I had were also forward eligible and Dampier seemed like the best available. Has seemingly taken the majority of the minutes in GS and can block shots.
121Swish and Edgar
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Wed, Oct 22, 2003, 08:13
11.04 Chris Bosh, F Tor
Dampier would have been nice here, but once again Dave R thwarted us by taking him the pick before. This pick was partially made on a hunch that Bosh could do well in Toronto, where the frontcourt is not exactly brimming with talent. Jerome Moiso starting?!? You see our point. His preseason numbers were also a factor, as was the fact he was averaging over 25 minutes in those games. Hopefully, he will win the starter's job very soon. Thus far he's shown, at the very least, the ability to board well and block some shots. Hopefully he can provide us with some blocks after averaging nearly 2/game at college. We are also hoping that a 54% FG at college can translate into 48%+ at NBA level. It was very tough to pass on Derek Anderson at this point, but we felt we were pretty well loaded in the cats that DA helps with.
122hoopsklyce
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Wed, Oct 22, 2003, 08:14
11.05 Cliff Robinson, F/C, GS
While Robinson has no upside potential I was impressed by his shot blocking in the preseason. At the time I took him he was blocking over 2 per game in the preseason and last season blocked around 1 per game. I took Robinson because of his center eligibility thinking the center position would start getting picked over. I am sure his lack of rebounding will frustrate me and can foresee me benching him for an emerging free agent player I grab as the season progresses.
123ukula
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Wed, Oct 22, 2003, 08:15
11.06 Quentin Richardson, G, LAC
He's mine......all mine!!! I'm anxious to see how the Clippers shakeout affects my two guys Maggette and QRich. I'm looking for big numbers from these guys to pull me up in the standings. How many people are actually looking forward to the Clipper's season?
124Doug
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Wed, Oct 22, 2003, 08:17
11.07 Brendan Haywood, C, Was
The main thing I was looking to do here was shore up my shot blocking... an area I had neglected early in the draft, but later decided not to sacrifice. I felt Haywood was the best shot blocker left. I had a big need at G however, and in retrospect I wish I had drafted Giricek. This is the only pick of the draft that I sorta regret. Haywood may have made it to my next pick, and I had my eye on Nazr Mohammed as well, who eventually fell to me in round 13 anyway. And as it turned out, yet another C fell into my lap instead at the next pick... so getting Giricek here would have made the most sense. Alas.
125Guru
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Wed, Oct 22, 2003, 08:19
11.08 Charlie Ward, G, NY
Last year, Ward and Howard Eisley shared PG duties for the Knicks. But this fall, Don Chaney has said that the job is Ward's. That probably really means that the job is Ward's to lose. But even if he ends up splitting the job with Eisley again, he could be decent value at this point. Last year, with only 22 mpg, he ranked #99 (using my ranking system), and if he can get some extra minutes, he could improve modestly from that level. For pick #128, that's acceptable. In fact, I consider Ward to have very limited downside, with some upside potential. And if Damon Stoudamire craps out, I'll need the extra assists. Ward also provides some steals, some threes, and a few boards. His FG% won't help, but he doesn't shoot enough to kill me there. And he's relatively neutral in FT%.
126blackjackis21
Leader
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Wed, Oct 22, 2003, 10:24
11.09 Vladimir Radmanovic, F, Sea
This might be my favorite pick of the draft - I like his name, I like his 3's, and I love the fact that I got him in the 11th round. Vlade's having a great pre-season and should be able to improve upon last year's 1.4 3's per game with less post play, no Nick Collison, and a starting spot over Reggie Evans.
127philflyboy
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Wed, Oct 22, 2003, 22:21
11.10 Hedo Turkoglu, G/F, SA
He might not start at the beginning of the year but he should get good minutes. He is a pretty consistent shooter and should get decent points per game. His flexability was also a key in picking him up. With the injury to Allen I need to make sure I have enough people to play guard. He usually has a pretty good shooting percentage and will get boards for a guard. Could use a few more assists from him.
128lionprideguy
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Wed, Oct 22, 2003, 22:22
11.11 Derek Anderson, G, Por
Although I was already pretty well loaded up on shooting guards by this time, I felt like Derek Anderson was too much ahead of the other players available to pass up. I didn't expect him to be around still by this time, and did some quick checking around to see if there was any information I had missed that would have caused him to drop. He had sat out some preseason games with back spasms, but was expected to be ready to go by the beginning of the season. With all the players in Portland you never know who will play, but Derek Anderson, Wallace, and Davis seemed to have been the reliable ones who you could always count on getting minutes. The chances of Guru, err, Portland going with a starting backcourt of Damon Stoudamire and Bonzi Wells look pretty good, which would hurt Anderson's minutes, but the chances also are always good that one of those two will screw up somehow and be traded or open up a spot. With all the character issues the Blazers have had, Derek Anderson is one of their few solid citizens, and if they really want to start to remake their image then they'll find a way to maintain his minutes.

If Anderson can continue to play 34-36 minutes a night, he's always been very consistent not only in scoring but 3-4 rebounds, 4-5 assists, and one of the best FT% in the league. He gets to the line enough that I'm hoping he can start to help me dig my way out of that basement. And if he doesn't fit on my team, I figured he'd be a decent bargaining chip in any potential trades. He's well-rounded enough that he can help most teams, and maybe could help me land a rebounder at some point down the line. Prior to the round, I had been pretty confident that Quentin Richardson would have fallen to me at this pick, and I had gotten ahead of myself getting excited about adding him to my roster a little early.

129Rand
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Wed, Oct 22, 2003, 22:23
11.12 Gordan Giricek, G/F, Orl
I had considered taking Giricek instead of Prince on my last turn so this choice was pretty easy. I think I got a decent perimeter shooter with G/F flexibility. Should help with a lot of Cats but I'm hoping for an increase in his 3 point shooting. Slight concern over Gaines taking some minutes away from him, but I'm sure that Gordon's fantasy numbers will still be solid for a late round pick.

12.01 T.J. Ford, G, Mil
I had thought so hard about taking Troy Hudson that it felt like my head would explode, or grow Jerry Curls. Opted for TJ Ford as a last chance grab at pumping up my assist and steal totals. I think I regret this choice because the last thing my team needed was another rookie sucking the life out of my FG%. The guy I probably would have taken at this point was Derek Anderson, but that darn lionprideguy stole him away from me. Actually, there were many guys that I seriously considered. Foyle for the blocks, Reggie Miller, Mutombo, even Lafrentz and Vlad Divac. I guess I eventually decided to take Ford over Hudson because he would probably get more minutes, but now I'm not so sure. Might just start off with TJ on the bench and see exactly how bad his shooting is, and whether his other Cat Stats are strong enough to override this deficiency.

130lionprideguy
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Wed, Oct 22, 2003, 22:24
12.02 Dale Davis, F/C, Por
I wasn't too excited about drafting two Blazers back to back, but I figured I had already driven my rebounding and FG% numbers far enough into the ground and was interested in finding someone who could try and help the "big man" categories. Davis doesn't get many blocks because he is undersized, but he was among league leaders in FG% at 54%. Certainly not a glamorous pick, but every good team needs a few workhorses who just keep plugging along and getting consistent if unspectacular numbers every night. Davis is getting old, but he still plays a good 35 minutes a night and if I can get anywhere near 10/10 a night from him I can't complain. This late in the draft, it's not the worst thing to get a guy who you can count on to start and play most of the game every night. Trying to be optimistic, I even reasoned that the retirement of Sabonis would force Portland to play Davis a few more minutes a night. His FT% is horrid so the best I can do is hope Derek Anderson goes to the line 5 times as much as Davis does.

Because I was focused on doing something to help my numbers in the big man categories, I didn't let myself consider any guards at this pick. I came extremely close to taking Mehmet Okur here and had to talk myself out of it many times. However, most of his better games in the preseason seem to have come when Ben Wallace hasn't played much. Also, his best games last year were when he played 30+ minutes, which only happened when Wallace was injured. In the end, I decided that there just weren't enough points or rebounds to go around on Detroit since Wallace would be eating them all up, and Okur would still have to share minutes with Elden Campbell and Rebraca. Also considered: Nazr Mohammad, but he's not guaranteed to start and would hurt both my FG% and FT% categories. Vlade, but once Webber comes back his minutes will be reduced. Mutombo, but I have to believe he's older than the 36 or so he claims and is getting ineffective quickly, hasn't even gotten many blocks recently (although I could regret this judgement soon), and Marc Jackson. It was toughest to pass on Okur, but I already had enough risks at this point and thought it would be healthier for me to go with the safest pick for once.

131philflyboy
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Wed, Oct 22, 2003, 22:25
12.03 Lorenzen Wright, C, Mem
Not a lot of good centers left at this point. I needed to fill the spot so that I could move either Wallace down to Forward. Toward the end of the draft injuries really started to pile up for me. Parker now down too. Wright should post double digit points and 8 boards or so per game. A pretty good FG% but hurts in FT%.
132blackjackis21
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Wed, Oct 22, 2003, 22:26
12.04 Troy Hudson, G, Min
I was happy to see Hudson still on the board at this point. I considered taking him with my 11th pick, but opted for Radmanovic instead. While Troy’s value is certainly diminished from last year with the talent the Wolves added in the off-season, I thought he was a good pick at this point in the draft. With the pre-season injuries the Wolves have experienced and the comments Flip Saunders has made regarding the possibility of Cassell and Hudson playing together in spots, I like Hudson’s chance to log a decent amount of minutes. If he does, he’ll help me in assists, 3’s, FT%, and to a lesser extent, points.
133Guru
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Thu, Oct 23, 2003, 09:29
12.05 Adonal Foyle, C, GS
I decided to use this pick to shore up my blocks. The three shot blockers who I considered most strongly were Foyle, [name withheld], and to a lesser extent LaFrentz (sigh). Foyle was the strongest shot blocker of the group, and even though he'll again share the post with Dampier, he should be good for last year's contribution of 6 boards and 2.5 blocks per game. Foyle is coming back from off-season knee surgery, and has yet to appear in a preseason game, adding even more uncertainty to this choice - although he says he will be ready by opening day.

Of course, literally minutes after I went with Foyle, the LaFrentz trade was announced. Would I have picked up LaFrentz with this news update? You bet!

But while Foyle certainly has his shortcomings, he should be a servicable player who can fill an important role on my squad. In fact, I took him last season as a late round pick, and he surprisingly made important contributions to my team during the final few months. There aren't many players who can get 2+ blocks per game, which gives him some scarcity value as well.

134Doug
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Thu, Oct 23, 2003, 09:33
12.06 Raef LaFrentz, F/C, Bos
Two words... trade bait. Yet again, I needed a fourth G but took a C instead... because I figured Raef was so clearly the best player available at that moment. I could have kept him, but I already had Dirk/Camby/Haywood and as noted for pick 11.07, I was already eyeing Mohammed. Raef is probably better than Haywood or Mohammed, but I figured the LaFrentz frenzy would allow me to package him with Andre Miller more easily in order to get the deals I wanted. And it turned out that I did... yay for me. I have to admit I was pretty lucky here. If it hadn't been for Raef, I would have picked up McKie or Reggie Miller. Instead, I was able to translate Raef back into Reggie Miller, while at the same time upgrading Andre Miller to Vince Carter. Bonus!

I did have another deal under discussion which would have yielded me 3 guards instead of 2 (and I would have given up a remaining draft pick to compensate), but valuing quality over quantity I just couldn't pass on Vince. Thus, I'm still stuck without a backup G in case Szczerbiak can't go (plantar fascitis) or if anyone else gets injured, but I'll just have to cross that bridge when I come to it. There are a number of strategies for dealing with that situation. For example, I could just play with 3 guards early in the season, then trade for additional guards later and rotate them through to make up for lost games. There's also usually some guys who emerge in the early season, or who get PT due to someone else's injury, etc.

In the meantime, I think my relative strength/depth at F and C makes up for my somewhat shaky guard situation. I also have 3 more picks to find a backup guard, though admittedly I'll be scraping the bottom of the proverbial barrel...

135ukula
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Thu, Oct 23, 2003, 09:34
12.07 Mehmet Okur, F/C, Det
From everything I read this guy is going to get a chance to play this year. He's F/C eligible which is a plus. Could be my diamond in the rough.
136hoopsklyce
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Thu, Oct 23, 2003, 09:36
12.08 Darrell Armstrong, G, NO
Considered him one of the best available players. Although he will not be playing more than 30 mpg this season most likely, I think he will be able to make some contributions in steals, treys, and assists. I thought my team was a little light in steals. With the season ending injury to Courtney Alexander, Armstrong will see a couple extra minutes per game.
137Swish and Edgar
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Thu, Oct 23, 2003, 12:07
12.09 Vlade Divac, C, Sac
When you have already put some youth in your team it is time to add some veteran quality as well. Valde Divac exactly fits this need. Although he is steadily declining and Brad Miller will take away a part of his PT he is still a valuable addition at this point. Divac is a good shooter and great passer for a C. He will also see improved stats because of the absence of CWeb. We needed the C eligibility and felt he was the best bargain out there.
138Dave R
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Thu, Oct 23, 2003, 12:10
12.10 Aaron McKie, G/F, Phi
Here's where it started getting tough. Mckie generally gets minutes backing up both guards slots. Points and assists are decent for a backup and he gets alot of steals. You never know when AI might get injured, either.
139rockafellerskank
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Thu, Oct 23, 2003, 12:15
12.11 Reggie Miller, G, Ind
I read up a lot on Reggie's ankles which are bothering him. He's been playing well in preseason, but he is far removed from being "the man" in Indy. Throwing caution to the wind, I decide that his ankles are fine and injury won't be an issue. I'm looking for a spot player to hit 3's, and boost FT%. Reggie certainly does that. He'll still get double digits in points too. Reggie will spot start from time to time in Utility slot as I am already guard heavy.
140coldwater coyotes
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Thu, Oct 23, 2003, 12:17
12.12 Jerome Williams, F, Tor
I needed steals and 3pts. Williams has a good record in the steals area and his rebound record blinded me into taking him. No doubt a mistake as in no way will he help with 3pts.

13.01 Scot Pollard, F/C, Ind
Pollard acts as some insurance if Al Harrington doesn't come through, and I did need a back-up center. I can see myself dropping Pollard early in the season if Harrington shows good scores and somebody available unexpectedly blossoms with 3pt shooting.

141rockafellerskank
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Thu, Oct 23, 2003, 12:18
13.02 Dikembe Mutombo, C, NY
Sounds weird to draft an old man on potential, but that is what I did. Still light on blocks and if Mutombo can play at a decent level he could provide a nice boost. Since he is coming off an injury year, he'll feel right at home on this squad. There was some previous debate on the boards as to Dikembe's potential, but I have him slotted for 8.0 ppg and 8.0 rebounds + 2.0 bpg. I think he needs to see 27-28 minutes per game to get those numbers. If he busts, he isn't a regular starter for me so all is not lost.

Can't say who else I was looking at here because they haven't been picked yet.
142rockafellerskank
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Thu, Oct 23, 2003, 12:21
Trade Vince Carter & Reggie Miller for Andre Miller and Raef LaFrentz with Doug
[see also Doug's comments in post 134]

Not too much to figure here as I think the trade helped both teams. Doug had already posted he was interested in moving both these guys. Looking at his roster, he was guard light and I was guard heavy, so the possibility existed. I've joked about my team's potential for decimation by injury based on the players' histories, but it is a real concern. Part of my reasoning was to mitigate this by moving some injury ridden players (past). Obviously Doug woke up at the right time and Raef was a no brainer pick for him. He already had 4 C's, so he was in position to deal. From my perspective you have to give value to get value and Raef's value went up significantly with the trade to Boston. I envision Raef having similar numbers to his Denver days (15.0 ppg, 9.0 rpg and maybe even 2.5 bpg. Toss in a few 3's and way to go!). If this trade happened before our draft, I think Raef might have gone 6-8th round.

So, Doug and I countered at least 2-4 times before coming to rest on these 4 guys. Vince is a step down for me, but I'm rooting for those Cleveland stats from Andre! We almost made this a 3-3 deal, but Doug got wise at the last minute and pulled the other player I wanted off the table. Obviously, for me, Raef is a big upgrade for me over Reggie.
143Dave R
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Thu, Oct 23, 2003, 12:22
13.03 Dion Glover, G/F, Atl
Didn't see anyone I liked better left ( I missed Marc Jackson ). I think Dion will improve his stats from last year and if so I'd be thrilled. His production did improve the 2nd half of last season
144Swish and Edgar
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Thu, Oct 23, 2003, 12:24
13.04 Scottie Pippen, G/F, Chi
Slightly surprised that he was still around, but nonetheless, we could look very good taking Pip here IF he stays healthy. And thats a big 'if'. He's been on steady decline for a while now, but this young Bulls team needs the benefit of some veteran leadership. We are hoping Pippen can play 65+ games this year at numbers not too dis-similar to last year. You can't ignore the potential of his (time eroded, but) nicely rounded numbers at this stage. 70 games at 9p-5r-4a and percentages that don't hurt us, would make these 2 EuroGurupies very happy indeed. Other considerations were MoPete, Marc Jackson, Kukoc, and one more unnamed candidate that we'll expand on in the next round.
145hoopsklyce
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Thu, Oct 23, 2003, 12:25
13.05 Marc Jackson, F/C, Phi
It became apparent to me that Jackson's role with the Sixers this season will be much greater than he has had with other teams the past couple seasons. I had been aware of Jackson for the past couple rounds and was hoping that he would not be noticed by other managers. I hope he can log some center games for me and provide points and rebounds. I hope he blocks some shots but I am not hoping for much productivity there.
146ukula
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Thu, Oct 23, 2003, 12:26
13.06 Morris Peterson, G/F, Tor
I'm not sure about this pick. He put up good numbers last year but apparently will be coming off the bench this year. I was waffling back and forth but decided to take a chance that he'll still be able to log some decent minutes in that mess they have up there in Toronto.
147Doug
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Thu, Oct 23, 2003, 12:29
13.07 Nazr Mohammed, F/C, Atl
What is it with me? I can't pick a freaking guard to save my life! =-) Nazr just seemed by far the best player left on my board (Kukoc running second) and I did want one more C at some point... so I figured with this pick I had both my F and C positions totally covered. The last two picks of the draft will most likely have to be "crapshoot" guards for me... hopefully someone will emerge from those picks or from waivers who can fill the gap at G if one of my starting 4 goes down. Of course, don't put it past me to take another F or C who I see as quality trade bait. =-)
148Guru
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Thu, Oct 23, 2003, 12:32
13.08 Danny Fortson, F, Dal
My weakest category looks to be rebounds. So who better than Fortson?

Frankly, I have no idea how he'll fit in with the Mavs. It sounds like he's in shape, and they need some defense. They won't look to him for scoring, so I won't either. If he can stay healthy and get some reasonable PT, then maybe I can use him to shore up my boards, if it turns out they're needed. Fortson may pick up center eligibilty along the way as well.

Kukoc was the other consideration. But he'll probably be injured by the time I need to use him.
149blackjackis21
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      Thu, Oct 23, 2003, 14:59
13.09 Voshon Lenard, G, Den
This was the first pick for me where there really wasn’t anyone left that I liked (which works out OK because I my starting positions had all been filled). Voshon seems to be having a decent preseason and is slated to be the started SG for Denver. My thoughts on Voshon are somewhat similar to those for Troy Hudson, minus the assists – should be OK for points, FT% and 3’s. Had Danny Fortson, Scottie Pippen, or Marc Jackson been available here, I would have taken any of them instead of Voshon, but they all went a few picks prior to this one.
150philflyboy
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      Thu, Oct 23, 2003, 15:00
13.10 Speedy Claxton, G, GS
This pick was just in case Van Exel is out to start the season. He will not see much time on my team unless he is starting. Speedy is a good shooter (accurate) should get nice assists while starting and will help in steals (which is a tough category for me).
151lionprideguy
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      Thu, Oct 23, 2003, 15:01
13.11 Vin Baker, F/C, Bos
If I had thought just two months ago I would be typing the name “Vin Baker” in as one of my draft choices, I would have tried to slap myself and sworn never to drink and draft again. A lot changed between my last pick at 12.02 with Dale Davis and when this one came around, with the Antoine Walker trade earlier in the day. I had to consider the direct effect on my team, with Walker’s expected rebounds and scoring certainly going down. An NBA trade like this can sure shake up things in the late rounds of a draft, as we saw, creating new opportunities and changing player values after so many picks had already been made.

While I may have come out on the bad end of the trade for Walker’s stats, I figured I could try and take advantage of new opportunities for the players whose values had increased. Raef was the obvious beneficiary, but there was also a lot of talk that it has been the much improved play of Baker that helped Boston feel even better about being able to compensate for Walker’s absence. I don’t feel like Raef will take Baker’s minutes as much as he sends Tony Battie to the bench, and with Walker gone there’s a whole lot more shots that others will have to take in Boston. I’m not ever expecting a return to Baker’s 20/12 peak in Milwaukee, but a double-double might suddenly be reasonable. He’s going to be a starter again, and I loved O’Brien’s quote that “I think Vin has to be on the court as much as possible.”

I also seriously considered Kendrick Brown at this point, for reasons I’ll discuss in my 14.02 rationale. Since I was searching for help in rebounding, I would have loved to have been able to get Danny Fortson since it sounds like he’ll get more minutes in Dallas as the designated rebounder in their trigger-happy offense. I was pretty set on taking advantage of the opportunities created by the trade, so I didn’t look too far beyond these players as I felt their value had suddenly risen above the others remaining on my list. Baker also having F/C flexibility was just a bonus.

152Rand
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      Thu, Oct 23, 2003, 15:02
13.12 Pat Garrity, F, Orl
Go ahead...take one guess why I took this guy:)

14.01 Lamond Murray, F, Tor
I live close to Toronto, and I'm a huge Raptors fan, and the word around here is that Murray is gonna play a big role on this team. But instead of projecting the future, in this case I like to look at the recent past. In 71 games with Cleveland in 2001-02, Lamond put up these numbers: 43.6 FG%, 81.8 FT%, 101 3-pointers made, 372 rebounds,1176 points, for a 16ppg avg. That wasn't that long ago, and after a long lay-off, I'm betting that Murray is aching to prove that he is still a major player. Definitely worth a 14th round pick at any rate.

153lionprideguy
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      Thu, Oct 23, 2003, 15:03
14.02 Kedrick Brown, F, Bos
I seriously debated going straight to Kedrick Brown instead of Vin Baker with my last pick. 6’7” and athletic, I felt like he might actually be the biggest beneficiary of anybody in Boston, stepping right into Walker’s former spot. He had already had a good preseason, was supposed to be extremely talented coming out of JC, and was already starting and getting decent stats. Before their first non-Walker game was played, it was still hard to tell how it all was going to play out. I figured I’d just grab the two likeliest beneficiaries (outside of Pierce) and cover myself either way. I thought it was more likely for Brown to survive two picks and get back to me at this spot than Baker, which is the only reason I drafted Vin first and Kedrick second.

Wanting to make sure I wasn’t ignoring other options, I considered Anfernee Hardaway and might have considered Pat Garrity as well. As for the rest of the Celtics, I like Jumaine Jones but he sounds like his injury is going to linger for a bit into the season and keep him from playing, and Kedrick is making the most of his chance to prove he needs to play over Jumaine instead. Eric Williams seems to be the odd man out now and has been rumored to be trade bait in another deal, which tells me even more that he’s not in Boston’s plans in their new lineup. Hopefully one of either Baker or Brown will work out, and if the other doesn’t I can drop him and replace him through the free agent pool.

154philflyboy
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      Thu, Oct 23, 2003, 15:04
14.03 Anfernee Hardaway, G, Pho
If Hardaway can ever get back to the way he used to be then this pick is a steal. He contributes in all categories and is starting in Pho. Just hoping he stays healthy. He will be a bench player mostly but at the start of the season he will be a starter as my 3 Guards are hurt.
155blackjackis21
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      Thu, Oct 23, 2003, 15:04
14.04 Darko Milicic, F, Det
Everything I read about Darko points to him not playing a significant role until sometime in the 2004-2005 season. However, I have a feeling he might be someone to stash away for the latter half of the season. He and Larry Brown appear to have developed a good relationship and I’m hoping Darko can win his way to more gametime through some good old hard work and determination. Who knows.
156Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Thu, Oct 23, 2003, 15:07
14.05 Toni Kukoc, F, Mil
At this point in the draft, I always like to find a diamond in the rough. But this year, I'm just too ignorant to find it. Or maybe the rough is cut to US Open standards in this draft.

So instead, I went with Kukoc, who is old enough to be my, ... er, ... younger brother. When healthy, Kukoc is still a top 100 player. But of course, there's the rub. He hasn't played more than 65 games since the 97-98 season. It seems like he's a 35 year old with the durability of a 45 year old.

So, here's the plan: if I need a slot filler sometime when he's healthy, he shouldn't hurt me. But he'll probably ride the pine on this team until someone else is injured, demoted, or just plain sucks - unless, of course, he gets rejuvenated on this revamped Bucks team. Not likely, though. I see that so far in the preseason, he hasn't yet played in back-to-back games.
157Doug
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      Thu, Oct 23, 2003, 15:28
14.06 DeShawn Stevenson, G, Utah
After round 13 I figured I better start scouring all the remaining guards and see what I could come up with. Not much... but Stevenson at least has some upside. If you look at last year's numbers... not very pretty. But this year he's slated to start, and should get 2-3 times the minutes and hopefully 2-3 times the stats. His preseason has been decent, and an article I read seems to indicate he's maturing (he was drafted straight out of high school three years ago) and wants to contibute in all areas. Anyway, he's gonna be chillin' on my bench until he starts proving himself with numbers though... I don't start potential! I had my eye on Penny, but he went to Phil a few picks earlier. And it's probably a good thing that Guru took Kukoc right before me... or else I would have probably drafted him, and I needed Gs not Fs.
158ukula
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      Thu, Oct 23, 2003, 15:29
14.07 Tyronn Lue, G, Orl
After looking at the projected RIHC standings I realized that my worst category was assists. Welcome Mr Lue, the starting PG for Orlando.
159hoopsklyce
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      Thu, Oct 23, 2003, 15:32
14.08 Brian Skinner, F/C, Mil
It seemed to me that Skinner should be able to play some minutes for Milwaukee this season with Anthony Mason apparently out of the picture. He may even be their starting center. His stock dropped last season when Larry Brown benched him for I think some non-basketball issues. His center eligibility is a bonus and I am hoping for some block contributions from him.
160Swish and Edgar
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      Thu, Oct 23, 2003, 16:00
14.09 Earl Boykins, G, Den
The guard situation in Denver is a mess right now, with Andre the only lock for full time minutes. Bearing in mind that Earl has had a decent preseason, and 1 or 2 excellent all round games, we thought he'd be as good as anyone. If Andre plays as averagely as he did last year, Earl's minutes could take a turn for the better. You've gotta be loving almost 90% from the stripe too.

And now to our mystery candidate from Round 13 - Lamond Murray. We had clocked him as early as the 10th or 11th round and were hoping we would get him in this round. One of the few legit scorers left, we thought Murray had ducked under the radar. Not quite - Rand snapped him up 14.01. I suppose that's what you get sometimes if you gamble on someone being left a couple of rounds later than they should be. Others we looked at were fellow Denver backcourt part-timer Jon Barry and Erick Strickland.
161Dave R
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      Thu, Oct 23, 2003, 16:01
14.10 Erick Strickland, G, Mil
Erick's been getting great minutes and has played well. At this juncture I thought it was time to take a gamble. If Ford struggles or they decide to bring him along slowly, Strickland might put up some decent stats. If not, the waiver wire is always there.
162rockafellerskank
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      Thu, Oct 23, 2003, 16:04
14.11 Eric Williams, F, Bos
I had Eric queued up for a while. I think he may have slipped off the radar, or perhaps he was never on one, but....

With Walker gone from Boston, as the starting SF, I think he’ll get at least as many looks as he did last year. Can’t complain about an NBA starter in the 14th round. There were a couple other guys in my queue as well, but just role players. Since they haven’t been drafted, I won’t mention them.

My expectations for Williams is 9-10 ppg and 5 rebounds. He’ll find his way into an occasional assist/steal/3-pointer. Of course he will just be a reserve or injury fill in most of the year unless he gets hot.
163coldwater coyotes
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      Thu, Oct 23, 2003, 16:05
14.12 Jumaine Jones, F, Bos
Good-bye Antoine Walker, so I take this opportunity to pick up Juwaine Jones. He should benefit from the situation with a good deal more minutes. One can safely assume that Vin Baker will not mentally be able to take the opportunity. The added bonus is that Juwaine is a good 3pt shooter.

15.01 Reece Gaines, G, Orl
Very slim pickings at this stage so why not go with a long shot. Gaines has the potential to become Orlando's starting PG. Nobody else is presently ahead of him so perhaps he is not such a long shot.

164rockafellerskank
      ID: 330592710
      Thu, Oct 23, 2003, 16:06
15.02 Melvin Ely , C, LAC
I was surprised to see a starting C still on the board (even if it is the Clippers). Only rationale I have here is “you can’t have too any C’s". Hey, everyone is a risk here, perhaps he will be the next “Banner Click” (long time TSN/ Small World players will understand that reference).
165Dave R
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      Thu, Oct 23, 2003, 16:07
15.03 Kelvin Cato, C, Hou
Looks like he will start for Houston at this point, will add blocks and rebounds, shoot a good FG%. Weak at FT's and probably won't score much, but heck, it was the last round.
166Swish and Edgar
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      Thu, Oct 23, 2003, 16:09
15.04 Jarvis Hayes, G/F, Was
We agreed we had to gamble with our last pick. Jarvis Hayes is an unknown player so far but his preseason stats are promising. We expect him to start while Stack is out. He might give us some major points during this stretch or he might simply tank and not play at all. But that is a risk you can take with you 15th pick. We do not expect much. It seems worth the risk because there are no quality sleepers left. Just check the players in this round. (surely this will turn out wrong once the season gets underway!)
167hoopsklyce
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      Thu, Oct 23, 2003, 16:09
15.05 Luke Ridnour, G, Sea
I was all set to take another player (to be unnamed for now) but I took a flyer on Ridnour since he had an impressive preseason game with 12 ast and 4 steals and at the time it appeared that Ray Allen might be missing some games. I will be quick to waive Ridnour if he is not seeing playing time and go fishing to try to find an emerging player that can bolster a team need.
168ukula
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      Thu, Oct 23, 2003, 16:10
15.06 Kevin Ollie, G, Cle
I don't think they paid this guy a lot of money to sit on the bench. Maybe he won't start but he should log some decent minutes. Just as my last pick was driven by my lack of assists, so was this one.
169Doug
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      Thu, Oct 23, 2003, 16:13
15.07 Rodney White, G/F, Den
Again, the pickings were slim, but White seemed the best fit for my club. I remember he had a string of decent games in January last year and then again the last month of the season. I was looking for a guard who's strength is in areas other than assists, and Rodney can provide boards, blocks, steals, and even a few points. Good enough for me in round 15!
170Guru
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      Thu, Oct 23, 2003, 16:16
15.08 Jake Voskuhl, C, Pho
Before making this pick, I scanned though the depth chart for every team at RotoWire. There were still about 6 projected starters who were undrafted. Aside from Voskuhl, the only other ones that I considered were Jimmy Jackson and Britton Johnsen. Johnsen has enjoyed a surprisingly good preseason, and may or may not develop into something at Orlando, and he was tempting. He may start, but I still suspect he won't log starter's minutes - at least not for awhile. Jackson is more of a known commodity, but at his age, the upside is definitely capped.

I probably went with Voskuhl mostly because of his UConn roots. I still remember watching his freshmen development, when he was clearly overwhelmed by the college experience. He never grew into a college star, but he did become a steady blue-collar center with a solid work ethic and dependable game. So far, he hasn’t made much impact in the NBA, but he appears to be the starting center in Phoenix, and if he can log starter’s minutes, he could become a viable fantasy player in a deep league such as this. His realistic upside may be 10 pts, 8 boards, and a block, and that will require 25-30 of playing time, which he’s never had before. We’ll see.
171blackjackis21
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      Fri, Oct 24, 2003, 11:10
15.09 Jerome James, C, Sea
I wanted one more center and for the second pick in a row, Guru snagged the guy I wanted just before my pick. Of the big guys left who might get me a few rebounds, Jerome seems to have the most upside potential. It’s kind of a win-win situation for me: either he’ll do well for me, or I’ll have no qualms about dropping him for the flavor of the week point guard when one of mine gets injured (see Troy Hudson). In addition to a few boards, James can also be counted on for some blocks.
172philflyboy
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      Fri, Oct 24, 2003, 11:10
15.10 J.R. Bremer, G, Bos
Probably won’t see much time playing but he is a good source of threes. He should get some shots at Clev. But he needs to get his shooting percentage up to get more playing time. Played pretty well at Boston during the stretch run, just picking him off that.
173lionpideguy
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      Fri, Oct 24, 2003, 11:12
15.11 Marcus Fizer, F, Chi
Similar to Guru I started by seeing which starters were still out there undrafted. I wasn’t impressed by Jim Jackson’s preseason performance so far. I felt shame that I even was looking at Greg Ostertag’s numbers, and Joe Smith was a possibility just because he was starting in Milwaukee. Although Fizer doesn’t start, he had put up much better numbers than any of these players in many less minutes this preseason. Even with the crowded Chicago frontcourt, his minutes have been going up as he’s recovered from knee surgery. The season hasn’t started yet, but the Bulls are already talking about Chandler’s health, and Pippen is chronically bothered by his back. My best hope though is that a trade for Fizer finally goes through to another team where he can get more minutes. It’s been rumored for over a year now, so if it ever comes about he could become more valuable.
174Rand
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      Fri, Oct 24, 2003, 11:13
15.12 Joe Smith, F, Mil
My brain hurts, the room is spinning, and I'm sick of trying to come up with the name of a player who is probably gonna just end up on the waiver wire anyway. So I picked Joe Smith, and then I took a nap.
178Guru
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      Mon, Oct 27, 2003, 08:35
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