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Posted by: clach - [196491615] Tue, Sep 10, 2002, 09:48
Vilica Spyce beebop IRRI Jukka Youngbuck Rudalamp beetski Memphis Hang Time Mr. NG clach
PG Jay Williams D Armstrong J Kidd S Marbury Van Exel Nash Cassell Tinsley Davis A Miller Payton Parker
SG Stackhouse B Barry R Hamilton Dunleavy J Terry E Jones Allen Sprewell Christie K Bryant Person Iverson
G S Francis R Lewis Bibby S Finley B Wells a shot Mobley Brandon T. Best A Houston Stockton R Miller
SF C Butler Mo Pete Mashburn V Carter Garnett Battier Marshall Pierce Marion G Robinson Stojakovic Richardson
PF K Malone C Robinson P Gasol C Webber K Martin Abdur- Rahim Nowitzki Walker McDyess Baker Brand Ginobili
F R Wallace Jefferson A Jamison R. Davis McGrady D Gooden Grant Hill K Van Horn Kirilenko Rose
C Duncan Shaq A Davis J Howard J O'Neal Campbell Divac Lafrentz Olowokandi D Mutumbo Robinson Mourning
C J Magloire K Thomas L Wright McCulloch Camby K. Thomas B Wallace Fortson Ratliff V Baker K Clark Ming
Util E Snow C Billups Radmanovich D Miles T Thomas Odom Q. Richardson Nenè PJ Brown W Szcerbiak A Williams MJ
Util J Dixon M-Miller Redd Wagner Arenas Pippen B. Grant Posey D.Davis Artest Mark Jackson A. Mason
B
B Shawn Kemp

Vilica is up at pick 10.12 and 11.1
1Blooki
      ID: 6838118
      Tue, Sep 10, 2002, 10:26 		Can't Brian Grant play F for Rubalamp?
3YOUNGBUCK
      ID: 3080910
      Tue, Sep 10, 2002, 10:29 		dont worry about my team you faggot.
7YOUNGBUCK
      ID: 3080910
      Tue, Sep 10, 2002, 11:33 		are you serious? rubalamp I have never got beaten up.

and hey, Iam just defending myself.
9YOUNGBUCK
      ID: 3080910
      Tue, Sep 10, 2002, 12:20 		talk to your boy rubalamp. he keeps feeding the fire.
12IRRIDUCIBILI LAZIO
      ID: 221441621
      Tue, Sep 10, 2002, 13:08 		i don't want to interrupt your virtual royal rumble, but should anyone please tell vilica to pick?with a pick a day it's becoming pretty slow, and it leaves space to "someone's" useless posts.....
14YOUNGBUCK
      ID: 3080910
      Tue, Sep 10, 2002, 14:19 		hey, iam all for that. but when everyone gangs up on you.... you gotta do what you gotta do.
16YOUNGBUCK
      ID: 3080910
      Tue, Sep 10, 2002, 16:59 		if that was me you would have all ganged up on me.
18beetski
      ID: 206282522
      Tue, Sep 10, 2002, 18:37 		Irri, what u want for marbury
19IRRIDUCIBILI LAZIO
      ID: 221441621
      Tue, Sep 10, 2002, 19:57 		clach, damn, if you need so much a basketball go to a game of your city's team and steal one..... c'mon man, if youngbuck did it at an nba game aren't you able to do it at a poor italian league's game?
20IRRIDUCIBILI LAZIO
      ID: 221441621
      Tue, Sep 10, 2002, 20:03 		beetski the only trade i would do for marbury should be walker+tinsley for him and finley (or dunleavy, or wagner or miles instead of finley....).....dunno if u r interested, but unfortunately that 2 are the only players i would take from you to upgrade my team in case of the lost of my main assist man.....
21IRRIDUCIBILI LAZIO
      ID: 221441621
      Tue, Sep 10, 2002, 21:02 		last time we heard from vilica was Sat, Sep 07, 2002, 13:54 and it's now 12 hours he's up, c'mon vilica, 11 persons are waiting for you to pick, hurry up!!!
22Vilica
      ID: 12811817
      Tue, Sep 10, 2002, 21:10 		I'm either going to pick tonight, or tomorrow morning. I'm oncampus Monday/Tuesday from 7:30am till atleast 9:00pm, with very limited access to computers. I'm going through my rosters now, and I'll post my picks as soon as possible.
24IRRIDUCIBILI LAZIO
      ID: 221441621
      Tue, Sep 10, 2002, 21:36 		yes, even because there are a bunch of guys waiting and because if you don't pick we've to fill this thread insulting each other and making bets regarding stolen basketballs......
26Vilica
      ID: 12811817
      Tue, Sep 10, 2002, 22:19 		10.12 Corliss Williamson
11.1 Dan Dickau
27IRRIDUCIBILI LAZIO
      ID: 221441621
      Tue, Sep 10, 2002, 22:21 		good pick with dickau.....he may turn to be a great sleeper....
28IRRIDUCIBILI LAZIO
      ID: 221441621
      Tue, Sep 10, 2002, 22:22 		ok, spyce r u around?
29Vilica
      ID: 12811817
      Tue, Sep 10, 2002, 22:24 		Yea, I watched him a ton in the NCAAs the past couple of years... I think Terry is more comfortable as a SG as opposed to a shoot-first PG, and that leaves an opening for Dickau.
32Rubalamp
      ID: 6615911
      Wed, Sep 11, 2002, 08:36 		oh ya, and good pick up in Dickau, I was hoping he would slip to one of the last picks...
33Spyce
      ID: 81144414
      Wed, Sep 11, 2002, 08:50 		i'm here
34Spyce
      ID: 81144414
      Wed, Sep 11, 2002, 08:53 		11.2 Kerry Kittles
35Spyce
      ID: 81144414
      Wed, Sep 11, 2002, 09:00 		looks like a coople starting 5s have been picked now - off the top of my head:

NJ - Kidd/Kittles/Jefferson/KMart/Mutombo
Det - Billups/Stack/Corliss/Cliff Rob/Ben Wallace
Sac - Bibby/Christie/Peja/CWeb/Divac

any others?
37beebop
      ID: 3984877
      Wed, Sep 11, 2002, 09:36 		Taking another risk:
11.3 I. Tsakalidis
38Rubalamp
      ID: 6615911
      Wed, Sep 11, 2002, 09:54 		Spyce, I read a report that indicated that Turkoglu is saying that he will be starting over Christie...I don't know how accurate it was, but Hedo sounded convinced it was a done deal...
40IRRIDUCIBILI LAZIO
      ID: 221441621
      Wed, Sep 11, 2002, 10:27 		wow, kinda hard choice now....goin' to pick in 10 min.
41YOUNGBUCK
      ID: 3080910
      Wed, Sep 11, 2002, 10:29 		clach your a queer.
42IRRIDUCIBILI LAZIO
      ID: 221441621
      Wed, Sep 11, 2002, 10:32 		11.4 Damon Stoudamire
the one from portland i believe......
43clach
      ID: 196491615
      Wed, Sep 11, 2002, 10:39 		youngbuck maybe..if you explain me the meaning of this word...
anyway I read what happened in keeper league and I hope nobody will think to repeat it in this league. YB may be (or look, we doesn't really know each other) childish, but he loves to play as the others.
And I think all these stupid trash talking (me first) will end with the beginning of the season and real games
44Jukka
      ID: 31737166
      Wed, Sep 11, 2002, 10:39 		I need a backup center to Cotton.

11.5 Eddy Curry
45YOUNGBUCK
      ID: 3080910
      Wed, Sep 11, 2002, 10:41 		thier too sensitive.
46Spyce
      ID: 81144414
      Wed, Sep 11, 2002, 10:43 		RE:38 - good, i don't got Christie (although i did like him as a Raptor - too bad his wife was such a witch and she forced him back to the US - we almost lost AD the same way)

RE:36 - i don't really know what you want, what is your thesis? more specific questions?

i think TSak and Damon are both good 11th round picks - lots of upside for TSak and if Damon gets to start somewhere he can put up good numbers
48Micheal
      ID: 28850112
      Wed, Sep 11, 2002, 10:43 		They're = They are
49YOUNGBUCK
      ID: 3080910
      Wed, Sep 11, 2002, 10:44 		11.6 Radoslav Nesterovic
50YOUNGBUCK
      ID: 3080910
      Wed, Sep 11, 2002, 10:45 		is class in session?
52YOUNGBUCK
      ID: 3080910
      Wed, Sep 11, 2002, 10:49 		true since he played all 82 games last year.
54IRRIDUCIBILI LAZIO
      ID: 221441621
      Wed, Sep 11, 2002, 10:55 		damon starts for portland.
even if mcinnis starts at pg, he'll start at sg over anderson. I couldn't pass 13,5 points, 4 rebounds, 6,5 assists and 1 steal per game in the 11th round.......and i needed a guard.
55YOUNGBUCK
      ID: 3080910
      Wed, Sep 11, 2002, 10:56 		clach face it you are gay.
56IRRIDUCIBILI LAZIO
      ID: 221441621
      Wed, Sep 11, 2002, 10:59 		i've to tell that this time i totally agree with youngbuck......clach is a gay......and he can't play basketball......
57Spyce
      ID: 81144414
      Wed, Sep 11, 2002, 11:02 		i think Damon is being shopped - at 5'10" he can't guard oppossing SGs - he will share minutes with Bonzi and will likely come out on the losing end - if Bonzi goes and not Damon then he could be a nice pick
58Rubalamp
      ID: 6615911
      Wed, Sep 11, 2002, 12:13 		Damon plays PG whcih right now also has Jeff McInnis and Antonio Daniels. It is hard to tell how the minutes are going to be distributed...
59Rubalamp
      ID: 6615911
      Wed, Sep 11, 2002, 12:19 		11.7 Al Harrington
63Rubalamp
      ID: 6615911
      Wed, Sep 11, 2002, 12:38 		Nope, Clach only got my 9.7...I got his 10 and 12 round picks...You can go check it out in the old post. I also have 12.1 and 12.6.
67YOUNGBUCK
      ID: 3080910
      Wed, Sep 11, 2002, 12:43 		Yes you are stupid clach.
70YOUNGBUCK
      ID: 3080910
      Wed, Sep 11, 2002, 13:32 		at 7:00 iam at work thats why i have time to post. I get paid 11/hr to sit in front of a computer and get in your head.
71Rubalamp
      ID: 6615911
      Wed, Sep 11, 2002, 14:36 		My biggest weakness is PG, but I feel very strong in all other areas.
72Blooki
      ID: 6838118
      Wed, Sep 11, 2002, 16:06 		RE: #35

Pacers - Tinsley/RMiller/Harrington/O'neal/BMiller
Clippers - Dre/Q/Odom/Brand/Olowokandi
Sixers - Snow/Iverson/Van Horn/Coleman/MacCulloch
Hawks - Dickau/Terry/Robinson/Abdur-Rahim/Ratliff
Grizzlies - Williams/Battier/Gasol/Gooden/Wright
Heat - Best/Jones/Butler/Grant/Mourning

Probably more, just not thinking too hard right now. Of course, some of these might not be the starting lineup, but they sure could be.
73Rubalamp
      ID: 6615911
      Wed, Sep 11, 2002, 16:26 		I think both of the Hawks and Grizzlies will have challengers to the starters you are projecting (Dermarr Johnson and Michael Dickerson). However, your projections could happen, but they are definitely not set in stone...
75beetski
      ID: 206282522
      Wed, Sep 11, 2002, 19:06 		oo my pick
76beetski
      ID: 206282522
      Wed, Sep 11, 2002, 19:12 		11.8 Brad Miller

Mite have already been picked, prob, but i dont see it
79beetski
      ID: 206282522
      Wed, Sep 11, 2002, 21:51 		I did and in the Position list on top i didnt get him, got reg, mike and andre
80beetski
      ID: 206282522
      Wed, Sep 11, 2002, 21:52 		aight i guessill have to make a new pick
81beetski
      ID: 206282522
      Wed, Sep 11, 2002, 21:53 		Jordans coming back to play with stackhouse, hamilton got traded wow.
82Rubalamp
      ID: 6615911
      Wed, Sep 11, 2002, 21:53 		Villica just got stronger...

I debated taking Stackhouse in both the Third round and now I am punching myself since he was still available in the fourth. His numbers should blossom this season being the best player on a team he will be taught by Jordan.

I think Hamilton will have less of an impact on Detroit, but should still have decent numbers...
83beetski
      ID: 206282522
      Wed, Sep 11, 2002, 21:59 		11.8
Tyrone Hill
84Memphis Fan
      ID: 30632614
      Wed, Sep 11, 2002, 22:32 		11.9 L. Hughes
85Hang Time
      ID: 16730823
      Wed, Sep 11, 2002, 22:41 		11.10 Desmond Mason - Just a solid player.
90IRRIDUCIBILI LAZIO
      ID: 221441621
      Thu, Sep 12, 2002, 11:06 		mr. nice guy, you're turning into a bad boy....;-)
94MNG@school
      ID: 38161216
      Thu, Sep 12, 2002, 16:17 		Sorry guys, this is the first chance I've gotten to a comp in a while.
95MNG@school
      ID: 38161216
      Thu, Sep 12, 2002, 16:20 		Sorry guys, this is the first chance I've gotten to a comp in a while.
11.11 Robert Horry
96Rubalamp
      ID: 6615911
      Thu, Sep 12, 2002, 17:01 		Question, what happens with players that go undrafted? IS there anyway to swap out players? How does it work? Let me know. It will effect the way I draft.
98MNG@computercorner
      ID: 528371217
      Thu, Sep 12, 2002, 17:37 		And that's not always a good thing! :-)
99clach
      ID: 196491615
      Thu, Sep 12, 2002, 17:43 		MNG picking Horry you left me with no doubts...
11.12 Young Buck
102clach
      ID: 196491615
      Thu, Sep 12, 2002, 18:27 		11.12 Derrick Coleman
I know he's out until november..I put him on injured list
(thanks Memphis for suggestions and clarifications)
With this pick my draft is over..there are still a lot of interested player
103Rubalamp
      ID: 6615911
      Thu, Sep 12, 2002, 19:11 		12.1 Jeff McInnis
104Rubalamp
      ID: 6615911
      Thu, Sep 12, 2002, 19:12 		My PG position was very weak, this should help some, but it will prove to be a great pickup if Stoudamire ends up getting dealt for a big guy...
106IRRIDUCIBILI LAZIO
      ID: 221441621
      Thu, Sep 12, 2002, 19:24 		rubalamp, so we're 2 now hoping for stoudamire to be dealt;-)
107Rubalamp
      ID: 6615911
      Thu, Sep 12, 2002, 19:24 		I wanted to get Chandler, but since I already have two guys on the same team, I was trying to avoid having two couples...Hopefully Chandler won't get too many of Marshall's minutes...
108Rubalamp
      ID: 6615911
      Thu, Sep 12, 2002, 19:25 		Clach...

Do you hate me yet?
109Doug
      Sustainer
      ID: 3411223
      Thu, Sep 12, 2002, 19:32 		Ouch. Talk about regretting a trade.
111Rubalamp
      ID: 6615911
      Thu, Sep 12, 2002, 22:21 		I had no idea...

I mean obviously if I did I would not have drafted him in the 4th round...
112beetski
      ID: 206282522
      Thu, Sep 12, 2002, 22:23 		anyone know anything about nene hilario
113Vilica
      Sustainer
      ID: 12811817
      Thu, Sep 12, 2002, 22:30 		according to an espn article i may or may not have read, he's a ben wallace type without much of an offensive game... yet.
116 IRRIDUCIBILI LAZIO
      ID: 221441621
      Thu, Sep 12, 2002, 23:26 		if anyone needs to leave a queue i leave my e-mail linked to my nick.......let's end this thing guys!!!
1 question: when can we start putting players on IL and replacing them? must we wait the league to start or can we start immediately after the draft ends?
117MNG@college
      ID: 33730190
      Fri, Sep 13, 2002, 00:50 		Wait a sec, did I get skipped?
118MNG@college
      ID: 33730190
      Fri, Sep 13, 2002, 00:51 		I did get skipped!
119MNG@college
      ID: 33730190
      Fri, Sep 13, 2002, 00:53 		In that case I want 12.2 Vladimir Stepania
120Blooki
      ID: 6838118
      Fri, Sep 13, 2002, 01:30 		Heard they may start Grant at center. ::shrug::
126Hang Time
      ID: 16730823
      Fri, Sep 13, 2002, 02:29 		12.3 Vladimir Stepania, I mean: Tyson Chandler
127Memphis Fan
      ID: 30632614
      Fri, Sep 13, 2002, 02:30 		12.4 Stromile Swift
130clach
      ID: 196491615
      Fri, Sep 13, 2002, 03:48 		Rubalamp I suppose you have no idea on 'Zo problems..so I can't hate you.
Unbelievable: 15 days a go the doctors said he was completely healthy. Never trust on doctors
now my team is prettty weak at C: somebody offer me a good one for one of my players?
134beetski
      ID: 206282522
      Fri, Sep 13, 2002, 06:57 		12.5 Troy hudson
135Rubalamp
      ID: 6615911
      Fri, Sep 13, 2002, 09:38 		12.6 Amare Stoudamire
136Rubalamp
      ID: 6615911
      Fri, Sep 13, 2002, 09:39 		I figure he will sit on my bench, and if he doesn't pan out I will dump him for a free agent.
137Rubalamp
      ID: 6615911
      Fri, Sep 13, 2002, 09:46 		If everybody will self-edit this thread to take out anything not draft related, we could shorten it dramatically...That way we will be able to finish out on this thread...
138Spyce
      ID: 81144414
      Fri, Sep 13, 2002, 13:50 		guys - i'm goin' away 'til the 23rd and won't be online at all - later on i will email one pick to Memphis - it is unlikely at this stage the pick will taken before my 12.11 - in the event it is you'll all have to wait (i really don't want to but a 5 pick list together)
139Jukka
      ID: 31737166
      Fri, Sep 13, 2002, 14:28 		Spyce, how about making it a list of two players? Highly unlike that both of them are taken.
140Spyce
      ID: 81144414
      Fri, Sep 13, 2002, 14:29 		alright
141MNG@School
      ID: 598201315
      Fri, Sep 13, 2002, 15:22 		Sorry HT, no hard feelings? I know I stole your pick but it was a good pick. I also apologize for the use of different computers. My standard one's internet doesn't work.
142MNG@college
      ID: 117422015
      Fri, Sep 13, 2002, 18:59 		Just posting to confirm that yes, all of those posts were in fact me.
143IRRIDUCIBILI LAZIO
      ID: 221441621
      Fri, Sep 13, 2002, 22:24 		youngbuck, you're up......if you're not down drunk......c'mon man, it's over 12 hours from the last pick, i can't believe beer has this effects on your mind....;-)
145Rubalamp
      ID: 6615911
      Sat, Sep 14, 2002, 11:31 		I did see a 12.2 at one point that was Tyson Chandler? That was deleted, was that an imposter?
146IRRIDUCIBILI LAZIO
      ID: 221441621
      Sat, Sep 14, 2002, 11:43 		over 26 hours from last pick.....it stinks.
147Jukka
      ID: 31737166
      Sat, Sep 14, 2002, 12:15 		Rubalamp, I saw that too. It was propably some fake post. Shall we discuss about trades while waiting for YB? I remember someone being angry for me taking Tim Thomas, any offers for Tim?
148Rubalamp
      ID: 6615911
      Sat, Sep 14, 2002, 13:29 		I am very content now with my team. If Damon Stoudamire does get traded, I think I have, by far, the strongest team. Even if not, Jeff McInnis should get enough minutes to help my assists.

I am open to offers, but I am pretty select on what I am willing to give up. I would say that Mobley and Divac are both tradeable given the right situation. I will entertain any offers, but I am very content to take this team into the season...

I do like Tinsley a lot...
149clach
      ID: 196491615
      Sat, Sep 14, 2002, 13:32 		12.2 ..fake buck strikes again??
150IRRIDUCIBILI LAZIO
      ID: 221441621
      Sat, Sep 14, 2002, 13:37 		28 hours now......i propose to put a limit to this wait......
151Hang Time
      ID: 16730823
      Sat, Sep 14, 2002, 14:19 		Ok, I deleted all my extra threads. Now here is the only one.
152Rubalamp
      ID: 6615911
      Sat, Sep 14, 2002, 15:23 		It is the final round, This is ridiculous. I propose that he is skipped and can make his selection after everyone has picked. He only loses out on the option to get about 5 people total. I admit, the fact that it is Youngbuck who screws with everybody, makes it easier to do this to him.
154IRRIDUCIBILI LAZIO
      ID: 221441621
      Sat, Sep 14, 2002, 21:24 		and i think it would be easy to find someone to handle his team in this league too......i propose that if he doesn't pick in 12 hours he would be kicked out from here.......who agrees? let's reply just yes or not.
YES.
155MNG@computercorner
      ID: 408271421
      Sat, Sep 14, 2002, 21:28 		YES
156Memphis Fan
      ID: 30632614
      Sat, Sep 14, 2002, 21:46 		YB may be restricted from posting due to his previous actions in the standings thread. I believe Beebop still keeps contact with him through email. Perhaps he can relay a message?
157Rubalamp
      ID: 6615911
      Sun, Sep 15, 2002, 00:54 		Even if he is restricted, it is because of his own actions, and could have consequences in this league as well...
158Jukka
      ID: 31737166
      Sun, Sep 15, 2002, 02:57 		In my opinion, we should go on. And to be honest, I have nothing against finding some other to continue with his team. I am the next one after YB, when will we decide his pick to be skipped and make it my turn?
159beebop
      ID: 3984877
      Sun, Sep 15, 2002, 04:09 		Youngbucks pick:
Shammond Williams

Should be starting PG for boston, from what ive read....
160Jukka
      ID: 31737166
      Sun, Sep 15, 2002, 05:18 		Ok, my final pick is
12.8. Eddie Griffin
161IRRIDUCIBILI LAZIO
      ID: 221441621
      Sun, Sep 15, 2002, 07:01 		12.9 Penny Hardaway
162clach
      ID: 196491615
      Sun, Sep 15, 2002, 11:20 		I don't agree on kicking YB
163Rubalamp
      ID: 6615911
      Sun, Sep 15, 2002, 16:33 		Lazio, great pick up. He is still capable of having a great season.
164IRRIDUCIBILI LAZIO
      ID: 221441621
      Sun, Sep 15, 2002, 16:46 		thanks......i would have picked him before, but i thought he was taken.....i was tempted to pick joe smith, but i'm a bit worried about his consistency, while penny is a sure talented player.......my only doubt is his healt....
165Vilica
      Sustainer
      ID: 12811817
      Sun, Sep 15, 2002, 23:00 		3 picks left, hopefully neither of Spyce's picks have been taken, and we can finish this off quickly. Come on, beebop, hopefully you've dealt with any/all computer problems.
166Jukka
      ID: 48824
      Mon, Sep 16, 2002, 01:26 		By the way, what are we going to do to keep our threads active, while waiting for the season to begin. I guess that next month and a half will be very long.

Another thing, should we all put our e-mail addresses here, so we can discuss about trades by e-mail. In my opinion it would be better that way, because then other people can't comment those trades before they are done.
167beebop
      ID: 3984877
      Mon, Sep 16, 2002, 02:14 		12.10 K. Cato
168clach
      ID: 196491615
      Mon, Sep 16, 2002, 07:30 		I have an idea..we can open a blogspot where everybody can easily post without disturb this message boards.
169 Jukka
      ID: 48824
      Mon, Sep 16, 2002, 08:08 		A thing that I meant about trades... Lets have an example... I make an offer to clach: Camby for Ming, then clach responds in the board that: Camby sucks, he is suffering a foot injury.

So then everybody sees that clach's response and it makes Camby very hard for trade after that. But if that negotiation were done privately, I could still offer Camby for Irri or some else, and they might be willing to do the trade by not knowing that Camby sucks..

And also this would prevent other people to make comments to clach, like don't make the trade, Ming is much more better player than Camby. In my opinion, it is between me and clach, whether we want to trade or not.

What do you think? By the way, my e-mail is can be found now under my name.
170clach
      ID: 196491615
      Mon, Sep 16, 2002, 10:45 		I think the rules contemplate a "veto trade": that's because for instance at mid-season lazio will be the last one and he can trade his best players to my opponent, just because he can't stand I win the tournament
p.s. as you said Ming is much better player than Camby (who sucks, and he is suffering a foot injury, too), so I refuse the trade :-)
171Jukka
      ID: 31737166
      Mon, Sep 16, 2002, 11:56 		you are absolutely right about the right to veto. But I think we should be kind of careful in using that right. I think I'll use that only when it is obvious that both players are not seriously upgrading their team by trading. Every trade is ok to me as long as both parties think that their team becomes better after the trade.

p.s. Too bad that you informed everybody about Camby having a potential injury, makes harder to be traded, I guess that not many of us knew that ;)
172Rubalamp
      ID: 6615911
      Mon, Sep 16, 2002, 13:50 		I know few people that are really addicted to this type of game that would not have the knowledge of Camby's ability to get injured...

He didn't get the nickname Cotton Camby for no reason...
173Jukka
      ID: 31737166
      Mon, Sep 16, 2002, 13:59 		Rubalamp, me neither...
Some kind of sarcasm can be read between the lines in clachs and my last posts...
174clach
      ID: 196491615
      Mon, Sep 16, 2002, 18:50 		OT: italian volleyball girls on top of the world.
We knocked Usa in the final
175IRRIDUCIBILI LAZIO
      ID: 221441621
      Mon, Sep 16, 2002, 20:09 		wrong clach: italian pussies on the top of the world.
176Vilica
      Sustainer
      ID: 12811817
      Tue, Sep 17, 2002, 02:56 		Memphis Fan, did Spyce end up sending you his queue, and if so, could you just use it (unless both of his players got picked) so that we can get this draft over. As an aside, my email is vilica@cox.net and my AIM is Vilica82. I'm open to any and all offers for trades.
177Memphis Fan
      ID: 36851518
      Tue, Sep 17, 2002, 04:21 		12.11 Zydrunas Iglauskaus
Yeah! Sorry about that, spaced.
178clach
      ID: 196491615
      Tue, Sep 17, 2002, 04:59 		I was thinking on Z to replace Zo (nothing more easy: just leave an "O" eheh), now spyve picked hiim..everybody are looking for a Cnow...but it seem to me you already have..are yo all scared of me guys?? :-)
lazzio instead of saying bullsh!t, get ready for next week, when I'm coming in Rome. If my friends say yes I'm coming for Lazio-Milan on saturday too.
179IRRIDUCIBILI LAZIO
      ID: 221441621
      Tue, Sep 17, 2002, 23:17 		vilica, can you pick please, so we can end this thing?
180Vilica
      Sustainer
      ID: 12811817
      Tue, Sep 17, 2002, 23:40 		I'm real tempted to take Popeye, but that'd be 3 Wizards, and that's too much. So I'm going with another PF.

12.12 Rodney Rogers
181Rubalamp
      ID: 6615911
      Wed, Sep 18, 2002, 00:50 		HOLY CRAP!!! WE ARE DONE!!!!
182Vilica
      Sustainer
      ID: 12811817
      Wed, Sep 18, 2002, 01:48 		Because I'm real bored, I decided to do an "objective" analysis (possibly with comments on my own team!) of the draft... so here goes nothing:

Spyce:
1.2 Shaquille O'Neal -- 2.11 Brent Barry -- 3.2 Rasheed Wallace -- 4.11 Rashard Lewis -- 5.2 Darrell Armstrong -- 6.11 Chauncey Billups -- 7.2 Kurt Thomas -- 8.11 Cliff Robinson -- 9.2 Morris Peterson -- 10.11 Mike Miller -- 11.2 Kerry Kittles -- 12.11 Ilgauskus

Well rounded team, both Cliffy and Ilgauskus were steals for big men, Billups late 6th, Lewis and Armstrong might've been picked a bit high, got injury concerns with both Shaq and Ilgauskus, and the mandatory Sheed T watch.

beebop:
1.3 Jason Kidd -- 2.10 Pau Gasol -- 3.3 J. Mashburn -- 4.10 Mike Bibby -- 5.3 Antonio Davis -- 6.10 Lorenzen Wright -- 7.3 Rip Hamilton -- 8.10 Richard Jefferson -- 9.3 Radmanovich -- 10.10 Michael Redd -- 11.3 Iakovos Tsakalidis -- 12.10 Kelvin Cato

Very, very solid team. I like R.Jeff @ 8, but the last four picks seem uninspired compared to the rest. Should be competitive.

Lazio:
1.4 Chris Webber -- 2.9 Vince Carter -- 3.4 Stephon Marbury -- 4.9 Michael Finley -- 5.4 Antawn Jamison -- 6.9 Juwan Howard -- 7.4 Darius Miles -- 8.9 Dajuan Wagner -- 9.4 Dunleavy, Jr. -- 10.9 Todd Maccullough -- 11.4 Damon Stoudamire -- 12.9 Penny Hardaway

Lazio's got the all-upside team, the all-overpaid team, and the all-injured team. Carter seems ready for leadership, C-Webb hopefully won't get convicted of a felony, and he's got Starbury and Jamison. He's basically punting assists, but he's should be really strong in points.

Jukka:
1.5 Kevin Garnett -- 2.8 Jermaine O'Neal -- 3.5 Jason Terry -- 4.8 Marcus Camby -- 5.5 Kenyon Martin -- 6.8 Bonzi Wells -- 7.5 Tim Thomas -- 8.8 Nick Van Exel -- 9.5 Gilbert Arenas -- 10.8 Ricky Davis -- 11.5 Eddy Curry -- 12.8 Eddie Griffin

I disagree with Camby in the 4th, otherwise a really solid draft

Youngbuck:
1.6 Tracy Mcgrady -- 2.7 Abdur Rahim -- 3.6 Steve Nash -- 4.7 Eddie Jones -- 5.6 Elden Campbell -- 6.7 Jayson Williams -- 7.6 Shane Battier -- 8.7 Lamar Odom -- 9.6 Scottie Pippen -- 10.7 Kenny Thomas -- 11.6 Radoslav Nestorovic -- 12.7 Shammond Williams

Very eclectic draft, can't really argue with any of the picks, but it doesn't really seem to come together.

Rubalamp:
1.7 Dirk Nowitzki -- 1.12 Ben Wallace -- 2.6 Ray Allen -- 3.7 Sam Cassell -- 5.7 Cuttino Mobley -- 6.6 Donyell Marshall -- 8.6 Vlade Divac -- 10.1 Quentin Richardson -- 10.6 Brian Grant -- 11.7 Al Harrington -- 12.1 Jeff McInnis -- 12.6 Amare Stoudamire

Very strong 1st four picks, got lucky with Mourning. I expect a high finish.

beetski:
1.8 Paul Pierce -- 2.5 Antoine Walker -- 3.8 Raef Lafrentz -- 4.5 Danny Fortson -- 5.8 Latrell Sprewell -- 6.5 Jamaal Tinsley -- 7.8 Terrell Brandon -- 8.5 Drew Gooden -- 9.8 Nene Hilario -- 10.5 James Posey -- 11.8 Tyrone Hill -- 12.5 Troy Hudson

Looks just like Youngbuck's draft after the 1st two picks, no direction. I like Nene @ 9.8 though. Probably one move away from contending for the title, though.

Memphis Fan:
1.9 Baron Davis -- 2.4 Shawn Marion -- 3.9 Antonio McDyess -- 4.4 Michael Olowokandi -- 5.9 Doug Christie -- 6.4 Grant Hill -- 7.9 Theo Ratliff -- 8.4 PJ Brown -- 9.9 Travis Best -- 10.4 Dale Davis -- 11.9 Larry Hughes -- 12.4 Stromile Swift

I seem to be saying solid a lot. McDyess might've gone a bit high, Hill and Ratliff are both injury risks, but otherwise I like 'em all.

Hang Time:
1.10 Kobe Bryant -- 2.3 Andre Miller -- 3.10 Wally Szczerbiak -- 4.3 Dikembe Mutombo -- 5.10 Allan Houston -- 6.3 Glenn Robinson -- 7.10 Keith Van Horn -- 8.3 Vin Baker -- 9.10 Brad Miller -- 10.3 Ron Artest -- 11.10 Desmond Mason -- 12.3 Tyson Chandler

Van Horn at the end of the 7th was a steal, good late picks to shore up some weaknesses (except in assists); should be competitive.

Mr. Nice Guy:
1.11 Gary Payton -- 2.2 Elton Brand -- 3.11 John Stockton -- 4.2 Peja Stojakovic -- 5.11 David Robinson -- 6.2 Andrei Kirilenko -- 7.11 Wesley Person -- 8.2 Alvin Williams -- 9.11 Keon Clark
-- 10.2 Mark Jackson -- 11.11 Robert Horry -- 12.2 Vladimir Stapania

Robinson, even at 5.11, was a horrible pick. Debated taking Horry a lot, but he's not going to play enough in the early part of the regular season. Stepania, if he does anything as a starting C, is servicable.

clach:
2.1 Allen Iverson -- 3.12 Jalen Rose -- 4.1 Yao Ming -- 4.6 Alonzo Mourning -- 5.12 Reggie Miller -- 6.1 Jason Richardson -- 7.7 Emanuel Ginobili -- 7.12 Tony Parker -- 8.1 Michael Jordan -- 9.7 Shawn Kemp -- 9.12 Anthony Mason -- 11.12 Derrick Coleman

Unfortunately, somebody has to come in last, and, my preseason prediction is clach. Jordan's not gonna play more than 30mins a game, I don't think, Coleman's out, and Mourning's out. However, since I'm assuming he does have the first waiver priority, there is still hope. :)

And now, my draft.

1.1 Tim Duncan -- 2.12 Steve Francis -- 3.1 Karl Malone -- 4.12 Jerry Stackhouse -- 5.1 Jay Williams -- 6.12 Jamaal Magloire -- 7.1 Caron Butler -- 8.12 Eric Snow -- 9.1 Juan Dixon -- 10.12 Corliss Williamson -- 11.1 Dan Dickau -- 12.12 Rodney Rogers

Francis seems totally recovered from his migraine problems, Stackhouse is in DC, I feel Magloire is ready to bust out this year, but I'm relying on a lot of rookies. Jay Williams, Butler, Dixon, Dickau... 4 of them, Dixon probably my worst pick of the draft. I like my two late round PF pickups, both will see significant time.

In conclusion, I think it'll be a nice race between myself and Rubalamp for the league championship, but anything can happen. Best of luck to all, and I hope I didn't come across as condenscending in my analysis/critique of each person's draft.
183Jukka
      ID: 48824
      Wed, Sep 18, 2002, 04:21 		Constructive criticism is always highly appreciated. I said it earlier that I'm not totally happy with my draft. But in my opinion, there were some very good picks also. Garnett was excellent pick (1.5), also Ricky Davis (10.8), Kenyon Martin (5.5) and Tim Thomas (7.5) could turn out to be real deals.
184clach
      ID: 196491615
      Wed, Sep 18, 2002, 05:44 		With Mourning I'd consider my team as an interesting underdog, now it's on paper clearly the last (result of being last in pick order too).
So if I finish 11th will be a success.
But be careful of my guys: the have talent, the are all motivated and they believ in their coach :-)
185clach
      ID: 196491615
      Wed, Sep 18, 2002, 05:51 		I waive Alonzo Mourning and sign the 1st fre agent: Brendan Haywood
186Rubalamp
      ID: 6615911
      Wed, Sep 18, 2002, 09:21 		I was thinking Haywood or Maybe even Jarron Collins would be a decent replacement for you, Clach. Sorry you got burnt on that deal...
187clach
      ID: 196491615
      Wed, Sep 18, 2002, 10:01 		I'm sorry for 'Zo.
Anyway I watched Haywood in last ASG and he shown a good potential.
188Jukka
      ID: 48824
      Thu, Sep 19, 2002, 07:44 		I made couple of trade proposals, so check your mails.

Rubalamp, I tried to make a trade proposal to you also, but your mailbox was full. So perhaps you should do something to that...
189clach
      ID: 196491615
      Thu, Sep 19, 2002, 08:53 		Jukka I accept your offert
Garnett x Shawn Kemp
The trade is done :-)
190YOUNGBUCK
      ID: 58481611
      Thu, Sep 19, 2002, 09:49 		Iam accepting trade offers also.
191Jukka
      ID: 31737166
      Thu, Sep 19, 2002, 11:47 		clach, for some reason I remember the offer have been Terry for Iverson.

And Youngbuck, are you accepting all the offers? I'll try to find a good package to you also...
192clach
      ID: 196491615
      Thu, Sep 19, 2002, 12:16 		Yes Jukka you remember well: you offered me Terry for Iverson (refused) and Garnett for Shawn Kemp (accepted) :-)
193YOUNGBUCK
      ID: 58481611
      Thu, Sep 19, 2002, 12:34 		I am accepting reasonable offers.
194Jukka
      ID: 31737166
      Thu, Sep 19, 2002, 12:39 		Are you sure it wasn't Garrett? I thought that you need center, so maybe Dean Garrett is the right one for you...
195Jukka
      ID: 31737166
      Thu, Sep 19, 2002, 12:52 		Youngbuck: I'll offer you Marcus Camby (4), Nick Van Exel (8) and Tim Thomas (7) for Jason Williams (6), Radoslav Nestorovic (11) and Shareef Abdur-Rahim (2). So both of us are "19 rounds".
196YOUNGBUCK
      ID: 58481611
      Thu, Sep 19, 2002, 13:05 		Jukka,

I said REASONABLE offers.
197Jukka
      ID: 31737166
      Thu, Sep 19, 2002, 13:19 		Youngbuck, that was just a proposal.

You can consider it as a starting-point to negotiations, how that offer needs to be modified, so that you would be happy?
198YOUNGBUCK
      ID: 58481611
      Thu, Sep 19, 2002, 14:40 		basicall the trade is diveded into three parts

Exel - J-Will

Thomas - Abdur-Rahim

Camby - Nesta


First off Jason williams is more vaulable than exel at this point. Exel is fighting for minuets in Dallas, on the other hand Williams is on probably gonna have his best season as a pro.

Second, Thomas for Rahim? thats deserves no explanation.

Third, Cotton Camby is better than Nesta when he AINT injured.
199Jukka
      ID: 31737166
      Thu, Sep 19, 2002, 14:45 		Yes, I know all of that. So do you have any suggestions that makes it more ssuitable to your needs?
200 Rubalamp
      ID: 6615911
      Thu, Sep 19, 2002, 14:46 		This email is active. I gave up on Hotmail, too much garbage...
201YOUNGBUCK
      ID: 58481611
      Thu, Sep 19, 2002, 14:50 		the point iam trying to make is that the trade is in your favor.

so you make it more suitable for me, since your the one that is wanting to trade.
202Jukka
      ID: 31737166
      Thu, Sep 19, 2002, 14:57 		Guess why I did that offer, because it is in my favor :)

I'm not desperate to trade, just little bit bored and the draft is over, so I need something to think about.
203IRRIDUCIBILI LAZIO
      ID: 221441621
      Thu, Sep 19, 2002, 21:26 		can someone please start another thread with the updated final table of the teams?
204clach
      ID: 196491615
      Fri, Sep 20, 2002, 02:50 		You can do it Lazio..
I put Derrick Coleman in IL and sign for a temporary contract Samaki Walker
205Jukka
      ID: 31737166
      Fri, Sep 20, 2002, 14:34 		Friday evening and it's 9.30 pm in Finland. So the question is: What stuff have you used to fill your glass. My answer is douple sized whiskey with the rocks.

It's always important to clear your mind after working hard the whole week.
206clach
      ID: 196491615
      Fri, Sep 20, 2002, 14:53 		lol
drunk-jukk(a)?
207Jukka
      ID: 31737166
      Fri, Sep 20, 2002, 15:11 		Not so badly, maybe little.

Just wondering, why I'm home and writing things to internet boards. Tomorrow might be time to go pub, fridays are for rookies...

BTW, shall we have bios about ourselves. I've understand that we have couple of college-aged guys, but whatabout others. Shall we use reverse draft order? Clach, you are up...
210clach
      ID: 196491615
      Fri, Sep 20, 2002, 19:08 		jukka nba is addiction expecially for europeans!
What do you want to know? Actually I'm the community manager of
this sport site
I discovered rotoguru because 3 years ago I was the web editor of
Fantacalcio site, so my job was playing all kind of fantasy games and monitoring all fantasy web sites.
I feel lucky: what is passion for me and you and a lot of people, it's also my job.
Then next wednesday I'm going to Rome. Unfortunately I'll probably meet lazio again, then the morning after I'll have an exam. If it's ok, I'll be professional journalist
211Jukka
      ID: 31737166
      Sat, Sep 21, 2002, 02:18 		wow, speaking of dream job...
212clach
      ID: 196491615
      Sat, Sep 21, 2002, 06:23 		Mr N guy is up with bio!
213MNG@college
      ID: 117422015
      Sat, Sep 21, 2002, 12:53 		My Bio. I grew up in the small town of Lake Villa IL, nothing really earth shattering has happened to me in my life time. I now attend SMU in Dallas Tx. Any other questions? Just ask!
214clach
      ID: 196491615
      Sat, Sep 21, 2002, 17:52 		what's SMU? what do you study, which is your favourite team and player? :-)
I forgot to say mines: Lakers and Iverson (so 2 years ago I was in conflict of interest)
215beebop
      ID: 38856206
      Sat, Sep 21, 2002, 18:38 		Is SMU Southern Misouri University??? Dont laugh at me, im from australia where we live upside-down. And dont know anything about geography....
216MNG@college
      ID: 117422015
      Sat, Sep 21, 2002, 19:07 		Well clach you asked and you shall receive.
SMU= Southern Methodist University . It is a fine school but don't let the "Methodist" fool you (it isn't a religious school). The main reason I am going is (to quote Robin Williams in the film Good Will Hunting)"I gotta go see about a girl." Unfortunately it isn't going as I had hoped so I am currently seeing a Psychiatrist/Psychologist because of possibly being depressed (There is a health center on campus which is free to all students for mental/physical health which is sweet.) Thinking of studying Business. Favorite team: Tough call. I used to be a fair weather fan, I'll admit, but now I like the hard luck teams and darkhorse teams. It usually changes from year to year. Like last year I would say I heavily rooted for the Pacers and Raptors to take the 7 and 8 seeds and bump the Bucks out. I predicted that the Celtics would do really well last year, but the Pistons/Nets were a shock.
217clach
      ID: 196491615
      Mon, Sep 23, 2002, 09:40 		hang time.your turn
218Hang Time @ Library
      ID: 578432514
      Wed, Sep 25, 2002, 14:45 		What is my turn?
219clach
      ID: 29810267
      Thu, Sep 26, 2002, 07:14 		hang time
guess.. or read the previoust post
your Bio, where are you from, how many basketball you stolled..etc.
220Hang Time
      ID: 16730823
      Thu, Sep 26, 2002, 11:47 		I am from New Haven, Connecticut. I currently attend Case Western Reserve University (http://www.cwru.edu) as a freshman, and I'm planning to major in Economics and Management, with a minor in Computer Science. As far as fantasy basketball experience, this will be my fourth year playing Smallworld/TSN, and my first year playing Yahoo! Fantasy Basketball. My favorite basketball team is the New York Knicks. Umm, that's about it. ;)
221clach
      ID: 196491615
      Thu, Sep 26, 2002, 18:02 		Hang time thanks! last curiosity: your favourite player?
Memphis I know you already did..but do it again. Bio
222Memphis Fan
      ID: 36851518
      Thu, Sep 26, 2002, 18:29 		Im in my third year at Belmont University, (Nashville, TN) majoring in political science.
I'll be attending Vanderbilt Law School next year.

Other than that, complete slacker. No J-O-B, just school.. and beer. And as for women,
well.. damn THEM! :)

My pic: me for anyone who's wondering if im a loser, the answer is YES!

Too lazy to type it out again, thats from the other thread. ;)
223Memphis Fan
      ID: 36851518
      Thu, Sep 26, 2002, 18:30 		Oh, favorite player; Pau Gasol! Closly followed by TMac. ;)
224Hang Time
      ID: 16730823
      Fri, Sep 27, 2002, 00:18 		My favorite player is a toughie. Probably Sprewell, but it was Ewing before that.
225clach
      ID: 196491615
      Fri, Sep 27, 2002, 12:12 		I love Spree too!
I met him in front of Nba store when I come in NY february 2001. What surprised me was people ignore him..it can't happens for a famous soccer player in Milan, not speakintg about Rome..he could't walk n the streets!
226clach
      ID: 196491615
      Fri, Sep 27, 2002, 12:13 		beetski..come on!
next shouldn't wait for my call!
227Memphis Fan
      ID: 36851518
      Fri, Sep 27, 2002, 15:32 		Lots of reasons I like Gasol, one being he plays for Memphis. But even without including that, if you've ever seen him play it doesnt matter if the Grizz are down by 50 or up by 5 (because we all know they dont go up by 50 :) Heh. He still plays 110%. I met him once on the street and he was generious enough to stop and give me an autograph.

He reminds me of the days when Stars were in it for the game more than the money. His playing for Spain in the Worlds only reitereated this point to me. I find his personality refreshing. (You can keep Spree! We dont need any more 'chokers' on the Grizz!)

Excerpt from an interview yesterday:


But when it was all over, someone asked Gasol if he was ready to begin his second season.

He lit up the way only he can, smiling from his chin to his eyebrows.

"I can't wait," he said.

It was downright contagious.

.. And then there is his talent, I think he's one of the best rookies to come along in a long time. He added 25 lbs this summer, cant wait to see him in action!



228Hang Time
      ID: 16730823
      Fri, Sep 27, 2002, 18:23 		"(You can keep Spree! We dont need any more 'chokers' on the Grizz!)". MF, that's bullsh!t. Don't bring that up. We all know the story, and if you take it out of context it is a whole lot different.
229Memphis Fan
      ID: 36851518
      Fri, Sep 27, 2002, 20:11 		Context? You shouldnt choke anyone no matter what context.
230Hang Time
      ID: 16730823
      Fri, Sep 27, 2002, 21:18 		That's crap. Sprewell's coach was a racist bastard. If you were black and being hastled by a white coach calling you NIGGER, I bet you'd do the same. Don't BS me.
231Memphis Fan
      ID: 36851518
      Fri, Sep 27, 2002, 21:36 		Carlissimo isn't a racist bastard. But even if he was/is, thats no reason to strangle him. Basketball is a business, if my supervisor called me a honky I would have enough common sense to refrain from attacking him.

AND! To top it off, if memory serves correctly, the knucklehead (Spree) not only strangled. But left, came back, and punched him. Im a little tired of the racism card always being used when your caught doing somthing stupid. His sleezeball lawyer no doubt tried to save his tail with it. There is a reason the NBA suspended him and the Warriors terminated his contract. If Spree had any kind of legal case, he would have won his suit. There was an investigation.

But hey, to each his own. Spree just wouldnt be my choice, even tho he is the only saving grace in NY the last couple years.

232Memphis Fan
      ID: 36851518
      Fri, Sep 27, 2002, 21:38 		Oh lord.

Jonny Cock was his lawyer. Must have had a spare race card after the OJ trail.

Spree

Heh, but anyway.. whos up next. Before I have to strangle Hang Time.
233Hang Time
      ID: 16730823
      Sat, Sep 28, 2002, 03:26 		It's all good, but I just think that people should stop bringing up old sh!t. It's like saying that Clinton once smoked pot. Who the hell cares? He's different not, just like Spre is different.
234Hang Time
      ID: 16730823
      Sat, Sep 28, 2002, 14:58 		*now
235Memphis Fan
      ID: 36851518
      Sun, Sep 29, 2002, 18:19 		Frank Isola of the New York Daily News reports that the Knicks will be holding on to Latrell Sprewell… for a while. After almost being traded to the Bucks for Glenn Robinson earlier this summer, Sprewell will come into training camp with the Knicks.

According to a friend who spoke to Sprewell within the last two weeks, Sprewell said he was excited about playing for his hometown Bucks. He also laughed at the irony of the Knicks trading him to finally add size to their roster. "He thought it was a done deal," the friend said. "He was ready to move on."
236Memphis Fan
      ID: 36851518
      Mon, Sep 30, 2002, 14:51 		What im wondering is..

The Bucks decided Kukoc was better than Spree?
237clach
      ID: 31933412
      Sun, Oct 13, 2002, 08:13 		#169-173 LOL, Cotton Camby strikes back

beteski it's your turno for bio
238Beetski
      ID: 174422917
      Mon, Oct 14x, 2002, 17:07 		?
239clach
      ID: 31933412
      Mon, Oct 14x, 2002, 17:18 		beetski..read previous post..everybody wrote some lines of his biography..just to have an idea who we are
Now it's your turn, then Rubalamp (draft order inverted)
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