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Subject: Tony Snow dies of cancer
Posted by: Perm Dude
- [39632128] Sat, Jul 12, 2008, 14:27
He was a partisan dick, but died too young of a disease that claims too many. |
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| 54 | Jag
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Tue, Jul 15, 2008, 03:29
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I came to the board thinking that I would see some kind words about what both sides of the aisle considered a great human being and I was astonish to see the classless comment by PD.
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| 55 | Boldwin
ID: 406201020
Tue, Jul 15, 2008, 03:45
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The fact of the matter is that for the most part the WH press corp are partisan speech makers for the Dem party and are incapable of being fair, objective, of giving credit where credit is due, partisan deconstructionists incapable of understanding reality itself.
Why Snow offended the radical Dem so much was how effectively he exposed the press corps' mischievous agenda and frankly his own decency , good nature and common sense was the reason his responses contrasted with and exposed them so badly.
He was from their club. He was like the tobaco industry family insider who hurt that industry so badly in public relations.
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| 56 | Boldwin
ID: 406201020
Tue, Jul 15, 2008, 04:01
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No one in this thread has challenged my actual take on the man - PD
Is SZ shipping you 'vitamins'? I've been saying he was the sweetest man whose ever held the job of Press Secretary this whole thread and you interpret that as agreeing with you essentially on his character?
He was a WH press secretary. His job was to explain the president's position.
Your take on him is indefensible.
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| 57 | holt
ID: 341542412
Tue, Jul 15, 2008, 05:51
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Lou Gehrig dies of ALS. He was an arrogant jerk to rookies, but died too young of a disease that claims too many.
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| 58 | Tree
ID: 53631155
Tue, Jul 15, 2008, 06:49
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The fact of the matter is that for the most part the WH press corp are partisan speech makers for the Dem party and are incapable of being fair, objective, of giving credit where credit is due, partisan deconstructionists incapable of understanding reality itself.
please.
when Bush and his cronies and supporters were marching well over 4,000 americans to their death in a bogus attack against a sovereign nation, there are almost NO members of the press raising a voice in protest.
like you and everyone else blind by a patriot fervor and a distrust for those with darker skin, they were in a blood lust.
so don't even ACT like they were some sort of dissenting voice. the American press was tragically disappointing in their lack of protest as Bush and company switched over to kill mode.
Why Snow offended the radical Dem so much was how effectively he exposed the press corps' mischievous agenda and frankly his own decency , good nature and common sense was the reason his responses contrasted with and exposed them so badly.
at least you're consistent in your "blame the left" mantra. got to give you credit there.
Lou Gehrig dies of ALS. He was an arrogant jerk to rookies, but died too young of a disease that claims too many.
i'm pretty sure if Ty Cobb's obit had mentioned he was a complete ass, no one would have blinked. in fact, Cobb probably wouldn't have had it any other way.
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| 59 | Boxman
ID: 571114225
Tue, Jul 15, 2008, 07:23
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No one in this thread has challenged my actual take on the man, only whether I should be saying it. Sad.
What's sad is that the guy's body wasn't even cold and you start the name calling and make a new thread to advertise it. I don't care what you think of Tony Snow. What makes me embarassed for you is that you decided to deride a recently deceased 53 year old former Press Secretary who died of cancer and has kids and a wife.
People talk about Dick Cheney's psychosis because he goes hunting in areas where you don't even need to get out of the golf cart to kill pheasant en masse. What is your psychosis that you deliberately create a new thread for the purpose of ripping on somone who is recently deceased?
He wasn't Hitler or Stalin. What you did was totally uncalled for and the widespread condemnation of what you've done should be evidence of that. Take the blinders off.
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| 60 | Razor
ID: 545172413
Tue, Jul 15, 2008, 08:46
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I won't speak ill of the man so soon after his untimely passing, but it takes more than merely working for the White House to make someone a great man. I will say that in his role as Press Secretary, I think Snow did more harm for the country than good. This does not preclude me from feeling sorrow over his death.
Boldwin, you of all people should not be condeming anyone after your comments after that reporter was rescued a couple of weeks ago.
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| 61 | Tree
ID: 3533298
Tue, Jul 15, 2008, 09:42
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What's sad is that the guy's body wasn't even cold and you start the name calling and make a new thread to advertise it. I don't care what you think of Tony Snow. What makes me embarassed for you is that you decided to deride a recently deceased 53 year old former Press Secretary who died of cancer and has kids and a wife.
actually, i'm betting the body was cold.
i also have little doubt - as i pointed to above - that when the Clintons pass on, the Baldwins and Boxmans of the world will have little problem condemning them.
if someone is not worthy of praise, why praise them? should we lie, and falsely praise someone who was, pretty much, a dick?
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| 62 | Perm Dude
ID: 53622158
Tue, Jul 15, 2008, 09:55
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you deliberately create a new thread for the purpose of ripping on somone who is recently deceased?
My post, in its entirely:
He was a partisan dick, but died too young of a disease that claims too many.
He was, indeed, a partisan dick, and proud of it. I think we might even agree on that point. What we don't agree on is that I should have said so. And apparently, in your rush to make judgement you overlooked the rest of my sentence.
Apparently one should overlook what people do in life that you disagree with once they die, is that it? Or is there a PC chart in which I might look up an appropriate time to bring up what the guy himself seemed to have as part of his life's work?
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| 63 | Boldwin
ID: 406201020
Tue, Jul 15, 2008, 10:05
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I think we might even agree on that point.
What part of no don't you understand?
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| 64 | Perm Dude
ID: 53622158
Tue, Jul 15, 2008, 10:10
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You're saying that Tony Snow was not a partisan dick and proud of it? Perhaps that his intentional combativeness on behalf of the Administration toward perceived political enemies didn't exist? Or that it did exist but he hated every minute of it?
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| 65 | Boldwin
ID: 406201020
Tue, Jul 15, 2008, 10:15
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It never even occurred to me to call Dee Dee Meyers a partisan dick and she hasn't even died yet.
Maybe I just don't understand the phrase because PD is not a phrase I've ever used.
Do you mean to say anyone who performs the job desription of WH press secretary, making the president's case, is by default a PD?
Do you mean to say that because he was so effective at it that he was a PD? Does having male genitalia make you more likely to be an effective worker? Is that what you mean by the phrase?
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| 66 | weykool
ID: 2842717
Tue, Jul 15, 2008, 10:38
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Does PD stand for Perm Dude or Partisan Dick?
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| 67 | Boxman
ID: 337352111
Tue, Jul 15, 2008, 10:46
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Both now.
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| 68 | Pancho Villa
ID: 495272016
Tue, Jul 15, 2008, 11:26
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There seems to be little in the way of honesty from those protesting PD's characterization of Tony Snow.
It was the administration that decided to hire a partisan pundit for a job that is generally appointed to a non-celebrity, although many use that position for celebrity and punditry after they leave the position.
It was the administration that set Snow up to be characterized as a partisan dick based on his previous public celebrity as an unobjective champion of conservatism.
I can find no indication that Tony Snow was anything other than a fine man in his personal life, but we're talking politics here, and it's hard to argue that the very basis of conservative punditry has been based on being a dick to the political opposition for quite a while now.
Had Tony Snow died without ever having been appointed White House press secretary this thread would have never existed. Maybe this should be used as a lesson that such a position should generally be reserved for someone who the public and the press corps regard as at least somewhat objective in their presentation as representative of White House communications.
Tony Snow failed in that regard through no fault of his own, as he was already established in politics as partisan beyond objectivity.
But none of this is an indictment of Tony Snow as a human being.
Being a partisan dick doesn't exclude someone from being a great human being, and the record shows that Snow qualifies in that regard.
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| 69 | Boldwin
ID: 406201020
Tue, Jul 15, 2008, 11:36
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My precient words upon Snow's appointment...Boldwin
ID: 49626249
Thu, Apr 27, 2006, 00:17 He has a very very likable demeanor, far more winning than Helen Thomas. He knows when they are abusing their privilege. He can convey that well deserved disapproval as someone with a great deal of credibility in their own profession. When some reporter gets up there and makes a speech instead of asking a question he is going to handle it like no one has ever handled it before.
That said he is a conservative and Bush is a neo-con and Snow well knows it so it may be an interesting game that can be played there. So far Snow's answer to that game is to say, 'You should see what i said about the other guy'. Trust me Snow is an extraordinary individual even when measured against his predecessors.
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| 70 | weykool
ID: 2842717
Tue, Jul 15, 2008, 11:38
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Every press secretary has been partisan.
I cant believe I even need to state the obvious.
The fact is this thread would not exist if PD had not been a PD.
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| 71 | Pancho Villa
ID: 495272016
Tue, Jul 15, 2008, 12:09
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Every press secretary has been partisan.
I cant believe I even need to state the obvious.
How many press secretaries have been partisan media celebrities prior to their appointments?
You really don't see the difference?
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| 72 | Boldwin
ID: 406201020
Tue, Jul 15, 2008, 12:12
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Dan Rather as Obama's Press Secretary. I hear he's unemployed, tan and rested.
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| 73 | Pancho Villa
ID: 495272016
Tue, Jul 15, 2008, 13:10
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Dan Rather as Obama's Press Secretary. I hear he's unemployed, tan and rested.
Thanks for helping to prove my point, Baldwin. You have no problem portraying Rather as a partisan dick going so far as to actually lie about him. He's not unemployed, he is now managing editor and anchor of a television news magazine, Dan Rather Reports, on the cable channel HDNet. Although at age 76, old enough to be Snow's father, very few would begrudge him if he did choose retirement, which you insultingly would refer to as unemployment.
Any comparison between the careers of Rather and Snow would not be fair, as Rather had accomplished about 5 times as much as Snow by the time he was 53, but no one knows what Snow would have accomplished had he lived to be 76.
And if Rather were to be named as Obama's press secretary, I'm sure that partisan dick would be one of the more gentle characterizations his political opponents would use.
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| 74 | bibA
ID: 366281415
Tue, Jul 15, 2008, 13:52
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going so far as to actually lie about him
Serious accusation there PV. Maybe it was a case of Baldwin just not knowing what he was talking about.
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| 75 | biliruben
ID: 52561217
Tue, Jul 15, 2008, 15:17
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Baldwin is rarely uninformed. Unfortunately, due to his choice of reading material, he's almost always misinformed.
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| 76 | Tree
ID: 33611515
Tue, Jul 15, 2008, 16:09
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Maybe I just don't understand the phrase because PD is not a phrase I've ever used.
this may be the most laughable line in this entire absurd thread.
you are honestly going to sit here and tell a bunch of people who have shared a message board with you for several years that you do not know what the phrase "partisan dick" means?
seriously? you can't even break it down into "partisan" and "dick" and know what it means?
how on earth do you manage to put your underwear on so the fly is facing front?
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| 77 | holt
ID: 341542412
Tue, Jul 15, 2008, 16:54
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Tree, you are a troll. What's laughable is you telling someone else how stupid they are.
Tony Snow worked in George H. W. Bush's administration as a speech writer and Deputy Assistant to President for Media Affairs. I'm sure he wasn't only chosen by W. because of his work as a pundit. He only worked as Press Secretary for about a year and a half btw.
I'm curious to know if PD considers partisans on the Democrat side to be dicks, or if he considers them to be Noble Knights or Courageous Defenders of the Cause or something like that.
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| 78 | Perm Dude
ID: 53622158
Tue, Jul 15, 2008, 17:10
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Some of them are dicks, holt. Because dickishness, as you know, is not a political ideology but is a way of acting toward others. But most all of Bush's spokespeople are dickish toward the Press, particularly those they termed "MSM." Intentionally. Snow was in that group. But being a dick isn't something the Right has a lock on.
Sad to see much of the criticism from the Right devolve into their standard "The Left would do it too!" reply as some kind of excuse for behavior on "their" side.
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| 79 | Tree
ID: 33611515
Tue, Jul 15, 2008, 17:50
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Tree, you are a troll. What's laughable is you telling someone else how stupid they are.
why? because i refuse to believe that a 50-something year old man on a politics board doesn't know the meaning of the words "partisan" and "dick"?
Tony Snow worked in George H. W. Bush's administration as a speech writer and Deputy Assistant to President for Media Affairs. I'm sure he wasn't only chosen by W. because of his work as a pundit. He only worked as Press Secretary for about a year and a half btw.
that doesn't have anything to do with whether or not he's a dick.
my best friend's sister was Laura Bush's press secretary, and she wasn't a dick and she did it a for lot longer than a year and a half.
I'm curious to know if PD considers partisans on the Democrat side to be dicks, or if he considers them to be Noble Knights or Courageous Defenders of the Cause or something like that.
Michael Moore. He's a dick. i like what he has to say, and i'm entertained by what he does, but he's a dick.
being a dick has nothing to do with politics, and everything to do with, well, being a dick.
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| 80 | Boldwin
ID: 406201020
Tue, Jul 15, 2008, 21:05
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Lol Bili
Of course I knew they eased him out gracefully with face-saving busy work. Better for reputations, network as well as Rather's.
I assumed everyone knew that. For all intents and purposes unemployed. As national news anchormen go. Was abreviating for a snappy line I still think was first rate.
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| 81 | rockafellerskank
Dude
ID: 27652109
Tue, Jul 15, 2008, 22:17
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Not that I post here that much, but lots of people I have died in the past 3,4,5 years. Has there been any other RIP threads that called the deceased "dick" or "A-Hole" or any other derogatory name? I do recall MITH gave Anna Nicole Smith a "BFD" which caused some stir.
I'm sure there have been plenty of "dicks" who have died in the past 3,4,5 years, yes?
Unless I missed something, why set a precedent with Tony?
FWIW, I wouldn't call any dead man by a derogatory name -- even if I had a poor opinion of him. I think it reflects more on PD that Tony (just my humble opinion). PD can defend it as he wishes, just seems in bad taste.
rfs waiting to see what the righties post about Ted Kennedy when the time comes.
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| 82 | Weykool
Leader
ID: 41750315
Tue, Jul 15, 2008, 23:12
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rfs waiting to see what the righties post about Ted Kennedy when the time comes.
I doubt the thread will be started by someone from the right and if it is I seriously doubt they will start it with unprovoked name calling.
As long as there is not an attempt by liberals to rewrite Teddy's legacy I will not be there to remind everyone that he was a drunk and an murderer.
Other than that I would think that most righties would say nothing other than condolences towards the family.
Hence the term:
Rest in Peace.
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| 83 | Pancho Villa
ID: 495272016
Wed, Jul 16, 2008, 00:11
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I will not be there to remind everyone that he was a drunk and an murderer.
A murderer? Maybe an involuntary manslaughterer, but if you have some evidence that has yet to see the light of day, I don't think there's a statute of limitations on murder.
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| 84 | rockafellerskank
Dude
ID: 27652109
Wed, Jul 16, 2008, 00:11
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I don't even think Saddam was called a "dick" upon his death.
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| 85 | Boldwin
ID: 406201020
Wed, Jul 16, 2008, 03:06
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I'll call Saddam worse than that.
Far as Ted goes, the last 5 years I've started to wonder about all the assassination attempts at Kennedy's and wonder if those same people weren't also trying to kill Ted that night in Chapaquidick, so I've passed up all further opportunities to heckle him about that.
The drinking and date raping...he's still on the hook there. I have heard he is a prince to the staffers and that is not universal among the powerful. I also know that he has managed to forge some strong and strange alliances and friendships in the senate which makes me respect him so very much more than Chuck Schummer who truly the term PD was invented for.
Some other PD's...Sid Vicious Bloominthal, Hillary, I'm actually on the fence with Carville believe it or not, I had one other name earlier today but it escapes me atm.
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| 86 | Tree
ID: 1866165
Wed, Jul 16, 2008, 06:19
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RFS - i think that's the point. Tony Snow, was a dick.
Saddam, was not a dick. he was a sick, depraved, murdering, psychopathic meglomaniac.
being called a dick, is not much of anything. Bill Clinton can certainly be a dick sometimes. Jon Stewart is a dick. Rush Limbaugh, is a dick. Bill Baher, is a dick. Michael Moore, dick.
lots of people are dicks. it's not the end of the world, and still, no one has really taken issue with PD's description of Snow as a dick, just that he called him one, and on that, again, i don't believe for a minute that Baldwin, et al, will be even remotely kind to the Clintons when they pass.
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| 87 | Boldwin
ID: 406201020
Wed, Jul 16, 2008, 07:29
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The Clintons are not good natured, likable, credible, sweet, decent, good humored or graceful or any of the other qualities Snow possessed and thus at no time will they receive the treatment I give Tony Snow.
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| 88 | Tree
ID: 3533298
Wed, Jul 16, 2008, 08:14
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The Clintons are not good natured, likable, credible, sweet, decent, good humored or graceful or any of the other qualities Snow possessed and thus at no time will they receive the treatment I give Tony Snow.
which, of course, is evasive of the point i was making.
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| 89 | Boldwin
ID: 406201020
Wed, Jul 16, 2008, 09:26
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Look at the very end of link #2 in my post #46.
Now tell me a PD takes that approach to that issue.
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| 90 | sarge33rd
ID: 76442923
Wed, Jul 16, 2008, 09:32
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Just to clear the air ....upon my demise, you have my 'permission' to call me what you will. I wont be answering anyway, so it wont much matter.
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| 91 | weykool
ID: 2842717
Wed, Jul 16, 2008, 10:20
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Just to clear the air ....upon my demise, you have my 'permission' to call me what you will. I wont be answering anyway, so it wont much matter.
And out of respect for Katie and those who respect you I hope we will refrain from purposly adding to their loss and grief.
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| 92 | Tree
ID: 3533298
Wed, Jul 16, 2008, 10:21
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i'm not asking what someone on youtube thinks. i'm asking how Baldwin would react when the Clintons die.
i wouldn't expect lavish praise - i'd expect good riddances and condemnations, and any thing else would just be dis-honest.
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| 93 | Boldwin
ID: 406201020
Wed, Jul 16, 2008, 14:25
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At the very least I would link to the "white house task list" and express relief that justice had finally belatedly been served.
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| 94 | Tree
ID: 3533298
Wed, Jul 16, 2008, 15:46
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and here we go along.
"justice" in Baldwin's eyes equates to the death of another American.
first a kidnapped reporter, now the former president and first lady.
i really think you are going to be surprised when you pass away, because if there is an afterlife, you are definitely not going to where you think you are.
you are NO DIFFERENT than the terrorists who preach death to those who don't believe as they do.
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| 95 | Boldwin
ID: 406201020
Wed, Jul 16, 2008, 20:09
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Well so now Tree wants me imprisoned and sodomized there AND he wants me in club Gitmo.
You do have the hate thing down, Tree.
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| 96 | Tree
ID: 206481618
Wed, Jul 16, 2008, 20:31
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LOL...where on earth did i say that??? i dont believe i said anything about you being imprisoned, anything at all about Gitmo, and you being sodomized. ew.
nice projecting there. outstanding.
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| 97 | Boldwin
ID: 406201020
Wed, Jul 16, 2008, 20:52
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Well Tree, you know perfectly well you once wished the first case on me and had to issue a retraction.
If you want me classified as a terrorist, Gitmo treatment follows.
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| 98 | Tree
ID: 206481618
Wed, Jul 16, 2008, 21:53
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Well Tree, you know perfectly well you once wished the first case on me and had to issue a retraction.
yep, that's the difference between you and i. i can admit when i'm wrong.
f you want me classified as a terrorist, Gitmo treatment follows.
again, i never said that. i just said that you share similar philosophies, including being perfectly ok with americans dying because they don't believe as you do.
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| 99 | Perm Dude
ID: 386551611
Wed, Jul 16, 2008, 21:59
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#97: On a related note, the terrorist watch list is now at one million names and counting.
Feel safer?
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| 100 | Taxman
SuperDude
ID: 029463114
Thu, Jul 17, 2008, 00:03
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Am I on it?
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| 101 | Boldwin
ID: 406201020
Thu, Jul 17, 2008, 16:07
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One of the downsides of free speech is that Tree can put words in my mouth I never said and there is no moderator to police it.
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| 102 | Tree
ID: 476461717
Thu, Jul 17, 2008, 18:50
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i'm not putting any words into your mouth.
you went on record in this forum as believing that it would have been acceptable to leave kidnapped american reporter with his captors, even if it meant the loss of his life.
sometimes i swear that you are high half the time you post, and simply don't remember it when you're NOT high. it is the only rational explanation i can even remotely come up with for the times you have said you didn't say something, when you clearly did.
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| 103 | pd
ID: 40726414
Sat, Aug 16, 2008, 07:12
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The democratic chair from ak was a dick. BFD
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