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Subject: TSN: Strat-O Division Formed
Posted by: Erik B.
- [239592612] Wed, Apr 24, 2002, 11:10
Gang:
I formed the first Gurupie Strat division. It's called RotoGuru I. Come join me.
-ESB
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| 1 | PP at work
ID: 02581318
Wed, Apr 24, 2002, 20:21
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Im in Erik, Chicago Pimps.. what team name are you?
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| 2 | Donkey Hunter
Sustainer
ID: 55220159
Thu, Apr 25, 2002, 02:18
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I am in the division as well. There are 6 teams now. Let's fill the league up Gurupies so we can get started.
Question for you Eric. Is there a playoff series? It doesn't looke like there is but I think that would be a good addition to future seasons. have each of the three division winners as well as a wild card team compete. the two championship game competitors would then take home the prizes.
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| 3 | Shelby-villian
ID: 111412312
Thu, Apr 25, 2002, 09:15
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I'll be in as soon as I finish my team. Finalizing
my pitching staff....
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| 4 | Erik B.
ID: 239592612
Thu, Apr 25, 2002, 10:44
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I'm the Brooklyn Dodgers. Let's get going so we can draft!!!
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| 5 | Shelby-villian
ID: 98482511
Thu, Apr 25, 2002, 11:33
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Hey Erik- can you answer my questions posted in the strategy thread. thanks.
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| 6 | Shelby-villian
ID: 98482511
Thu, Apr 25, 2002, 12:39
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OK, I'm in. We are 2/3 filled, only 4 more teams...
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| 7 | Toral
Sustainer
ID: 2111201313
Thu, Apr 25, 2002, 14:22
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The Buffalo Bisons are in.
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| 8 | Erik B.
ID: 239592612
Thu, Apr 25, 2002, 14:23
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SV:
Dean answered the question well, I think.
DH:
Yes, we're thinking about putting playoffs in for future seasons...
-ESB
p.s. We still need four!!!! Tomorrow I open the division to the public. Please get your team in there now!!!!
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| 9 | Mariomaniac
ID: 3028248
Thu, Apr 25, 2002, 16:42
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I'm in. Smithton Maniacs.
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| 10 | Purple Pimp
ID: 27633140
Thu, Apr 25, 2002, 16:56
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One more left.. come on someone fill it up tonight so the draft happens tonight
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| 11 | Shelby-villian
ID: 111412312
Thu, Apr 25, 2002, 17:18
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Our league is now full and ready. Can
everyone id themselves?
If there are any other TSN employees, please
reveal yourselves so we know who doesn't
win a prize. =D
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| 12 | Donkey Hunter
Sustainer
ID: 55220159
Thu, Apr 25, 2002, 17:20
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I live in Florida. No prize for me. So late in the season I might be able to be "persuaded" to throw a few Albie Lopez starts in there for someone.
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| 13 | Purple Pimp
ID: 27633140
Fri, Apr 26, 2002, 01:02
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divison has drafted.. take a look at the FA'S Bonds,Sosa,Walker, man there some big hitters out there.
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| 14 | Shelby-villian
ID: 111412312
Fri, Apr 26, 2002, 02:06
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Out of curiosity- who were your #1 priority
picks? Mine was Alomar.
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| 15 | R
ID: 3856197
Fri, Apr 26, 2002, 02:56
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I'm not in the division, but mines was Boone.
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| 16 | Donkey Hunter
Sustainer
ID: 55220159
Fri, Apr 26, 2002, 03:49
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Mine was Ichiro.
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| 17 | Purple Pimp
ID: 27633140
Fri, Apr 26, 2002, 04:22
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I believe mine was Schilling
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| 18 | Mariomaniac
ID: 91136511
Fri, Apr 26, 2002, 08:56
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Pudge Rodriguez, with Ichiro #2 (RATS!)
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| 19 | Erik B.
ID: 44811314
Fri, Apr 26, 2002, 09:41
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One thing you'll notice, I think, is that the salary cap forces incredible balance among all the teams. I have to say that Bonds looks tempting as a pick-up...
-ESB
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| 20 | penngray@2ndcomp
Donor
ID: 161131911
Fri, Apr 26, 2002, 10:18
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Im, I dont have a clue, but that has never stopped me before.
Is there still room??
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| 21 | penngray@2ndcomp
Donor
ID: 161131911
Fri, Apr 26, 2002, 10:20
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I mistyped....
Im IN!!
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| 22 | penngray@2ndcomp
Donor
ID: 161131911
Fri, Apr 26, 2002, 10:29
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Okay, I didn't read everything above. Is there another division forming?
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| 23 | Shelby-villian
ID: 111412312
Fri, Apr 26, 2002, 10:49
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Is there anyway to see the projected starters of
your opponent and modify your lineup based
on that?
One problem I see with the lineup vs. left/right
pitching is that the computer would get
"fooled" when facing a righty who does well vs.
lefties and vice versa and insert the wrong
players. One example would be Brooklyn's
John Thompson (R) who fares much better vs.
lefty hitters.
I find this problem a concern.
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| 24 | Erik B.
ID: 44811314
Fri, Apr 26, 2002, 11:00
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Shelby:
It is something of a problem, but you can manage around it. It's relatively easy to guess projected rotations. And you can alter your line-up accordingly. (To be fair, my rotation is set by dollars, five pitchers, from best to worst -- so you should know what's coming.)
PG:
The first Rotoguru div is full. Perhaps you can start Rotoguru II???
-ESB
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| 25 | penngray@2ndcomp
Donor
ID: 161131911
Fri, Apr 26, 2002, 11:03
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I will start Rotoguru II.
If anyone else is interested in winning an easy division, come join me
ie. I suck ;)
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| 26 | Shelby-villian
ID: 111412312
Fri, Apr 26, 2002, 11:06
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Erik- the scenario I imagine is this:
3 game series and you know the other
manager is going to start these 3:
R (6R)
R (7L)
R (7R)
Is there anyway to tell the computer, for the
2nd game, to leave your righty platoon players
in while taking them out vs. the traditional
righty pitcher?
Also, I play at Coamerica which lessens the
impact of HR hitters. If a player rolls a HR, how
is the stadium effect translated into it, and
does that HR become an out or a lesser hit
(triple/double/single)?
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| 27 | Dean
ID: 151132204
Fri, Apr 26, 2002, 12:44
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The mechanics of it are that there are certain rolls on pitcher's and hitter's cards that are "ballpark homeruns." On those rolls, the ballpark ratings determine the result. (In board game terms, you would roll a 20-sided, and you'd be trying to roll less than or equal to the relevant ballpark rating. If it's Comerica, we're talking about a situation where you would have to roll a 1 or a 2 for the homer). If it's not a homerun, it's a flyball where a runner automatically scores from third... a blast to the warning track, basically.
If the batter is rated "W" for weak (usually pitchers, but also your Rey Ordonez types), then he can't hit the ballpark homer... it's a single if he succeeds.
Ballpark singles are similar, except it's a single if you succeed (duh :-), and a lineout to the infield if you don't.
As for righty pitchers who are better against lefties (and vice versa), the lineups can't be customized to that extent (yet?) In a way, though, it's good because it encourages you to play a less "platoony" team. If you had a lineup of Trot Nixons, Thomson would eat them alive... but throw a couple of Albert Pujolses in there, and suddenly Thomson doesn't look nearly as good.
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| 28 | Shelby-villian
ID: 111412312
Fri, Apr 26, 2002, 12:53
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Thanks Dean, that's a good explanation. But I
can't find any instances of ballpark HR and
singles on the player cards. Closest thing I
see is a HR/double depending on a 20 roll.
Also I picked up Henderson as he is a great
hitter for his price. I will have to play him in the
field though.
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| 29 | Erik B.
ID: 44811314
Fri, Apr 26, 2002, 12:54
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SV:
are you starting to get why we're so proud of this game? the strategic decisions involved in managing strat-o is really awe-inspiring.
-esb
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| 30 | Shelby-villian
ID: 111412312
Fri, Apr 26, 2002, 12:59
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Thanks Dean, that's a good explanation. But I
can't find any instances of ballpark HR and
singles on the player cards. Closest thing I
see is a HR/double depending on a 20 roll.
Also I picked up Henderson as he is a great
hitter for his price. I will have to play him in the
field though.
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| 31 | Shelby-villian
ID: 111412312
Fri, Apr 26, 2002, 13:09
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Erik- Yes, things seem very interesting. In the
future, I strongly suggest you guys keep track
of records of managers which can be fed into
a database to keep worldwide rankings. This
would only help you guys get repeat
customers as they play more seasons to
improve their world rankings (especially if
prizes were awarded at the end of the year for
being ranked #1, etc...)
I think I'm about done fiddling around with my
lineup. If you wouldn't mind, could your
critique?
R- Henderson
S- Alomar
L- Delgado
R- Dye
L- Grace
L- Ventura
L- Erstad
R- Ausmus
S- Vizquel
Not too much power but a lot of contact,
speed, and high OBP(Coamerica). Having 3
lefties in a row seems a weakness but I'm
hoping the AI puts in a lefty specialist so I can
counter with McGwire, Thomas, or Lieberthal
off the bench. =) Thanks in advance.
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| 32 | tduncan at 2nd comp
ID: 3433268
Fri, Apr 26, 2002, 13:27
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Looks good SV. Strange to see 4 good 1B on the same team. Your strong starting rotations makes you a strong candidate in my book.
My lineup will probably look like this (team Maccabi Kiriat Gat):
R - Jeter (SS)
S - Jose Cruz (LF)
R - Manny Ramirez (DH)
L - Chavez (3B)
R - Konerko (1B)
L - Burnitz (RF)
R - Torii Hunter (CF)
R - Charles Johnson (C)
R - Soriano (2B)
A typical AL, sit back and wait for the 3-run homer type of lineup. even the speed guys can hit 20-25. Gonna be fun to start the season in Coors.
I'm concerened about Soriano's defense, but most my starters have high SO numbers, so hpofully it will be OK.
2 questions Erik:
(1) How is gonna be determined from wich sides the switch hitters are gonna hit?
(2) Is there any way to see the ballpark rankings again?
thanks.
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| 33 | Shelby-villian
ID: 111412312
Fri, Apr 26, 2002, 13:49
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tduncan- Hopefully when you play at my
stadium, you just pop out alot. =) But yes, with
your power, you can turn things around in a
hurry... But with your lower OBP generally, and
LA really hard to hit a single, I'm not sure your
stadium is best suited to get your men on
base.
3 things about your lineup I see...
1. Cruz has high power but low OBP. So either
way I think he's not going to leave as many
RBI opps. for Manny
2. Konerko grounds into a lot of DPs, Chavez
might not be the best in front of him
3. The bottom of your lineup has 3 righties in a
row which might be trouble late game. I don't
see a reliable lefty bat off your bench.
Hope that helps some. Good luck!
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| 34 | Toral
Sustainer
ID: 2111201313
Fri, Apr 26, 2002, 13:55
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Bad news, tduncan, re Soriano and K's. A second baseman's rating comes into play on the reading GB(2B)X on the pitcher's card -- and that reading has the same frequency on every pitcher's card, regardless of how many Ks he gets.
Team looks good though.
Switch-hitters always bat from the reverse side of the pitcher, even if they would be better off the other way. Life is tough, sometimes.
Toral
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| 36 | Dean
ID: 151132204
Fri, Apr 26, 2002, 15:35
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SV: That is an excellent defensive squad. I'm guessing that you probably have a killer pitching staff. If so, you won't be giving up many runs. The lefty emphasis matches your park. Personally, I would want to shore up the defense by getting a LF who is a comparable hitter to Delgado and can field (the chance is pretty good there is one out there as a free agent), and playing Rickey at DH. I just don't like those 4 fielders. LF/RF don't get the ball hit there as much, but when they do and there's a 4 playing there, it's a lot of singles, doubles, triples... it can get ugly.
tduncan: You can check out anyone's stadium specs by clicking on their team. I have to agree that you don't have a hitter particularly well suited to hit #2... given that, Cruz seems like the best option available. Soriano's 3e20 defense is about average, I wouldn't consider it a liability, especially when the rest of your team is very solid on defense.
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| 37 | Donkey Hunter
Sustainer
ID: 55220159
Fri, Apr 26, 2002, 18:33
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Here is my lineup. What do you guys think? I only have two left handed hitters in my lineup. On the bench I have 2 lefties and 2 switch hitters Is this gonna hurt me bad enough that I should start trading guys in for lefties? All of them hit better against righties than lefties though except for Sosa.
1. Ichiro
2. Ordonez
3. Sosa
4. Helton
5. Rolen
6. Hidalgo
7. Shinjo
8. Reese
9. Blanco
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| 38 | Donkey Hunter
Sustainer
ID: 55220159
Fri, Apr 26, 2002, 18:36
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I play in Cinergy field.
1-9 left singles
1-9 right singles
1-4 left home runs
1-12 right home runs
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| 39 | Toral
Sustainer
ID: 2111201313
Fri, Apr 26, 2002, 23:16
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Dean, are you in this league, or just giving free-lance advice?
Toral
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| 40 | Dean
ID: 151132204
Sat, Apr 27, 2002, 01:18
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Toral: No, I don't seem to be in the same league as the rest of you. I guess I should throw my team out there. Hope I don't lose my credibility ;-)
1. McLemore 2b
2. Rowand rf
3. Jeter ss
4. Edmonds cf
5. Pujols lf
6. Conine 1b
7. Segui dh
8. Gil c
9. Mueller 3b
Against lefties, Mueller and McLemore flip-flop, Edmonds moves down to #7, Conine and Segui move up. My theory, in Pac Bell (where power is minimized), was to load up on on-base percentage. My big concerns are McLemore's defense (although he's a 2, he commits a truckload of errors) and Mueller's tendency to get hurt. But I'll stick with this for now and see what happens. So far, I lead the league in both runs scored and ERA, although it's early and a couple of blowouts may be skewing that.
Donkey Hunter: Sheesh... that's pretty good! I doubt you need to worry much.
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| 41 | Toral
Sustainer
ID: 2111201313
Sat, Apr 27, 2002, 01:54
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No prob, Dean. I know you know your Strat.
I won't post my team because I would have to give some of my strategy away, and also because it probably sucks. (Who else is relying on Benny Agbayani and Angel Echevarria?)
Just asking.
Toral
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| 42 | Shelby-villian
ID: 98482511
Sat, Apr 27, 2002, 10:37
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Donkey- I don't like Ordonez batting 2nd. He has a really low OBP and on top of that, he grounds in to many double plays.
Dean- your lineup looks pretty slow near the bottom. Do you tend to ground into more DPs or does your high OBP prevent that from happening?
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| 43 | Dean
ID: 151132204
Sat, Apr 27, 2002, 12:05
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No, my high OBP probably makes it more likely since there's more guys on base to double up! Actually, Pujols and Jeter are my two most likely guys to ground into a DP off their card. Conine is right behind Jeter. Everyone else is pretty good. Segui is slow, but he's only got GIDP on 1-4, 1-10, 3-2... really quite reasonable. Gil has 1-7 and 1-9... even that is not all that bad... although he does have 3 GIDP so far, putting him among the league leaders. Rowand also has 3 GIDP on the season.
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| 44 | Shelby-villian
ID: 98482511
Sat, Apr 27, 2002, 12:32
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Dean- let me know how it progresses later on regarding the DPs. I know that A+ DPs only happen when the runners are not held in check or the infield in, and so having * runners (held effect) are inherently vaulable as they can create hits just by being on base...
Here's my new lineup, I'm happy with it. Thanks for the tips. High OBP and fast *runners with great stolen base potential. Playing at Coamerica, I'm trying to get guys onbase and making sure they make into scoring position, for the eventual barrage of singles.
R/L
Henderson
Alomar
Green/Nevin
Nevin/McGwire
Cruz/Lieberthal
Richard/Green
Erstad/Cruz
Vizquel/Erstad
Ausmus/Vizquel
Vs. lefties I insert McGwire and Lieberthal which makes things interesting.
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| 45 | Erik B.
ID: 44811314
Sat, Apr 27, 2002, 12:45
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I like the idea of adding some sort of WWR. Not sure how we'd do it. But it sounds cool.
-ESB
p.s. You guys have put way more thought into your line-ups than I have! I'm in trouble when the games start on Monday ...
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| 46 | MikeJ
ID: 52134320
Sun, Apr 28, 2002, 08:33
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Sorry to invade on your thread here, since I'm not in this division, but Erik, you guys have to do something about the scheduling. 90 games against divisional opponents is just way, way too much. That's more like playing in a 4 team league than 12, and results will be severely skewed based on who happens to be in your division.
I realize the mathematical problems with trying to balance a schedule, but I would rather see unbalanced than what's there now. Or, you could balance it by having two, 2-game series against each divisional opponent, then 12 against everyone else (66 division, 96 out). Everything else looks great so far, but I was severely disappointed when I saw the schedule.
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| 47 | Mariomaniac
ID: 3028248
Sun, Apr 28, 2002, 12:09
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IMO, if you are only going to have two prizes then ideally you should have two 6 team divisions, with the winner of each division facing off in a best of seven playoff to determine who gets the $ vs. the free game.
Then you can run the schedule balanced or unbalanced, it wouldn't matter because you're not directly competing record-wise against the other division.
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| 48 | Shelby-villian
ID: 111412312
Sun, Apr 28, 2002, 12:49
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I agree there is really no point in having 3
divisions unless there is a 4 team playoff (with
a wild card). That would be pretty cool. I also
agree with MikeJ that the current sched lets
more "luck" into the game by having so many
interdivisional game.
Just a FYI, but Sunday's ESPN Baseball
Tonight did an interesting (short) feature with
Showalter diagraming a balanced hitting and
pitching roster. Could be helpful finalizing your
roster.
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| 49 | MikeJ
ID: 52134320
Sun, Apr 28, 2002, 13:28
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Two 6-team divisions would be perfect, and easy to schedule. 18 division games, 90 total, 12 non, 72 total. I really hope this is addressed, because it just doesn't make sense right now.
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| 50 | Bernie H.
ID: 19852422
Sun, Apr 28, 2002, 18:39
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re: schedule
The criticisms about the unbalanced schedule are fair. We may alter it for future versions of the game. But we think it works because 1) you do play almost half (72) of your games outside your division and 2) more games within your division means more exciting races for division titles.
re: divisions
We intend to introduce a 4-team, 2-round playoffs some time in the future, which works with the 3-division setup. For now, yes, the 2 prizes are awarded based on regular season records, but we will be keeping track of division titles and such so we can reward managers with benefits based on their continued success. So you'd better keep your eye on your race for first place!
Bernie, TSN
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| 51 | MikeJ
ID: 123351816
Sun, Apr 28, 2002, 23:13
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Bernie, thank you for the response, and it does make more sense if a playoff is added. However, I still disagree with the logic. In my league, I'm going to have 30 games each against Bonds and Sosa, but probably only have to face Martinez, Mussina, Schilling, and Johnson twice apiece. A fair tradeoff of sorts, I guess, but if the object of the game is to be a realistic simulation, this warps all statistics.
Someone in another division is going to face RJ 7-8 times, and if RJ,Martinez, Mussina, and Schilling all happen to be in that division, a team could potentially face them in 1/5th of their total games. This also leads towards building your team specifically to play 3 teams, as opposed to having as well-balanced a team as possible. I have already made roster decisions based entirely on the fact that there is a disproportionate number of lefthanded starters in my division. Why shouldn't I just build my team to beat the other three in my division, and ignore every other team?
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| 52 | Mariomaniac
ID: 91136511
Mon, Apr 29, 2002, 09:02
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Today's the day! OK, here's my lineup:
R/L
1. Relaford/Clark DH
2. Vina 2B
3. Koskie 3B
4. Rodriguez C/Galarraga 1B
5. Dye RF/Rodriguez C
6. Snow 1B/Dye RF
7. Finley CF/Young LF
8. Jones LF/Finley CF
9. Cabrera SS
Playing in Pro Player Stadium (1-4 for all Singles & HR's) I tried to focus on defense (7 #1's), starting pitching (Miller, Hudson, Zito, Zele and Jarvis), speed (only Galarraga and Snow are slower than average) and hitting balance (lowest OPS is Cabrera at .752, while highest is Pudge at .888).
Hopefully I can keep games low scoring and "Smallball" enough runs to win. This team will not have explosive comeback ability. My good depth should help over the long run.
Biggest concern heading into opener with the Impalers is the fact that they still have $8.3M available to spend. I smell a Barry Bonds acquisition looming. They play in Miller Park, it would only make sense to have the superstar lefty.
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| 53 | Shelby-villian
ID: 111412312
Mon, Apr 29, 2002, 11:54
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Nice concept maniac- I like "thematic" teams..
One concern is with a low offense team, I
would think there would be a lot of close
games decided by your bullpen. Would be a
shame to see you lose games because of a
subpar bullpen. Anyway you can upgrade
Leskanic?
Impalers only had 2/3 of a pitching staff, I think
they will buy some more pitching.
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| 54 | Mariomaniac
ID: 91136511
Mon, Apr 29, 2002, 13:36
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Yeah, you're probably right Shelby. To bolster my closer I dropped Sele for Bruce Chen, and added fireballer Jeff Nelson for Leskanic. Threw in Armando Almanza with the extra 500k just to have another lefty reliever. Should be interesting to see how my style works in the juiced ball era.
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| 55 | Mariomaniac
ID: 91136511
Mon, Apr 29, 2002, 14:24
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Impalers did indeed buy some more pitching. Looks like we'll have a Bond-less league.
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| 56 | Shelby-villian
ID: 111412312
Mon, Apr 29, 2002, 14:59
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Bonds is way overpriced. You can fill your
entire outfield with great sluggers for that
price.
Or even a good, playable infield.
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| 57 | Bernie H.
ID: 395452711
Mon, Apr 29, 2002, 15:57
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Hey guys, you don't have to talk about me like I'm not in the room. :)
Yes, the Gramercy Impalers are owned and managed by yours truly. I got a late start so I missed out on all the best free agents, but I won't make excuses. The pennant is mine.
Good luck to all!
Bernie, TSN
ps Maniac - that is a sick defense. It's the kind of defense that drives your opponents insane when they ground into double play after double play.
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| 58 | PP AT WORK
ID: 12322119
Mon, Apr 29, 2002, 18:53
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Heres my lineup.
1. Eckstein, David (R) 2B
2. Edmonds, Jim (L) CF
3. Jones, Chipper (S) 3B
4. Rodriguez, Alex (R) SS
5. Palmeiro, Rafael (L) 1B
6. Stewart, Shannon (R) LF
7. Long, Terrence (L) RF
8. Karros, Eric (R) DH
9. Santiago, Benito (R) C
My Rotation
Schilling
Moyer
Carpenter
Lopez
Hernandez
Closer
Mendoza
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| 59 | PP AT WORK
ID: 12322119
Mon, Apr 29, 2002, 19:37
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With the help of excel heres some other stats for for my nine starting hitters.
BA .290
2B 32.44
HR 24.00
RBI 84.89
BB 63.56
SB 11.78
SLG .483
OBP .364
OPS .847
Looks like team powerful, but lacks speed. Not sure id have to comapre these numbers to players to compare
Starting 5
W 14
L 9
IP 197.56
H 198.6
ER 86.2
BB 53.4
SO 155.2
ERA 3.927
WHIP 1.276
Pen
W 5
L 3
S 1.4
IP 69.34
H 64.2
ER 27
BB 20.4
SO 55.4
ERA 3.504
WHIP 1.22
Pitching looks average to me. Cant wait to see how i stack up against the other teams in this league.
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