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Subject: SSHR Week 1271
Posted by: Madman
- [68361122] Wed, Jan 09, 2002, 03:43
Hey guys -- Auction Alert! Seems like there are quite a few horses up this week. That would make sense, given the fact that last week there was no auction. Lots of good quality horses available, IMO. Depending on how my own bidding goes, I can give some tips later in the week. My guess is lots of horses chasing after few dollars. But we'll see, of course. |
| 1 | StLCards
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ID: 2504849
Wed, Jan 09, 2002, 09:58
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Thanks Madman,
I had considered entering some in the auction, but may just wait till next week.
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| 2 | Madman
ID: 68361122
Wed, Jan 09, 2002, 16:03
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426 horses up by my count. You also may want to watch the claimers carefully over the next few weeks as owners start clearing room / trying to get BP's for the next breeding class.
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| 3 | Madman
ID: 68361122
Thu, Jan 10, 2002, 04:04
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More like 470+ horses up now. Geez. Of course, as luck would have it, I got shut out in all of my bids. Weird. Only bidding on three of them. One of the horses I bid on got an opening bid of 4.215 MILLION. Uhhhh, No.... That is just plain absurd, IMO, unless the horse is impeccably bred. I don't care if money is largely meaningless or not. That horse was not even close to a guaranteed Stakes winner. Don't know what that person is thinking . . .
Madmand Tip of the Week: Check out TJC Utilities, in case you haven't already. That Raceday Program is extremely sweet, and since it is all HTML, you don't have to worry about downloads or compatibility issues :)
Suddenly, I know which of my horses were carded and where again! I hope Mike is watching these sorts of developments and incorporates them if these independent guys don't keep it up. . .
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| 4 | Toral
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ID: 2111201313
Thu, Jan 10, 2002, 08:27
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Wow, great tip, Madman. Here are my entries for this week: link. Love those flags.
I'm more aggressive in entering horses in claimjers this week. His Speeches, Class Jesting (2-1* for 100K), Down in the Drill, Mosby's Echo, Swiftly Spurn (7-2*), Rusty Trip (2-1*), Eight Arc all entered in claimers I might have shielded them from a few weeks ago.
Auction is crazy. I entered 2 horses with their CPU as reserve bids. Last time I did this I sold a 35K reserve horse for 99K; this week I don't expect to get a flyer. That's OK; they're training for next week and I have slots I can put them in one more time.
Toral
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| 5 | Toral
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ID: 2111201313
Thu, Jan 10, 2002, 08:28
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Never mind my link, it doesn't work. But it's a cute display of all your horses entered.
Toral
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| 6 | StLCards
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ID: 2504849
Thu, Jan 10, 2002, 18:00
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That link is fantastic! Totally cool and very fast too. Whoever did that really did a nice job. Thanks Madman.
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| 7 | Madman
ID: 68361122
Fri, Jan 11, 2002, 22:36
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My bid on 9792 is standing at the moment -- $1,006. I just noticed how cheap his breeding is -- 7 point sire (Blitzz USA), 4 point DS (Lamerok), 3-4 point DDS (Sir Mala Mala). I probably won't go higher simply because of this fact.
I may also look for a couple of $1 horses to breed over, as per Toral's earlier advice. There are some VERY cheap sires out there. No reason to have empty stable space, you know?
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| 8 | Toral
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ID: 2111201313
Sat, Jan 12, 2002, 13:23
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Tolerable week: 16 races: 3-2-2-4-2-3. (last number = anything worse than 5th). The van to haul the execrable Crazy Shoe off to the auction block was sitting beside her stable waiting for her return from the oval, before she unaccountably won her 10K MC in Illinois 0707 at 16-1. Ditto with Mosby's Echo who win in a 5K claimer at Epsom. Kangaroo Minstrel was unable to compete in a tough allowance. With 9 claimers running, won't really able to assess the day until I see who got claimed and whether any of my claims succeeded.
Toral
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| 9 | Madman
ID: 21020124
Sat, Jan 12, 2002, 15:29
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My computer is giving me fits again. AARGH. Tried to do a clean install of windows and stuff on a new hard drive, and still getting mysterious bugs. Aaargh. (I assume I have a different ID?)
At any rate, I need to see auction and claim results, too. Overall, a bad week.
* No 100 speed performers, to break my streak of 5 in a row.
* Only 2 wins. Madman4 got shut out with 4 4th's.
* Chocolate Dump is headed to the breeding shed ASAP. Can't stand that garbage anymore. Now, just have to figure out which sire to choose. . . today would probably be a good time to do this, yes? Sires are at their cheapest in a week.
* Two year old crop mediocre. Snow Storm broke 80 at 8.5 on turf, so he's progressing. Key West ran another pedestrian 68 speed, albeit on turf. Sutter's Creek is headed for Claimers next. Too many 3 yo's out there at the moment . . .
Here's hoping to some quality stable turnover. Although frankly, I'm mainly acquiring claiming stock. Got to start racking those BPs! I say that every week. But I really need to get some claimers going better.
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| 10 | cab
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ID: 9115466
Mon, Jan 14, 2002, 01:17
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Geez Toral!...Your (ex)Swiftly spurn knocked Craw chop out of third and cost me some bonus bp's!...lol..Oh well,I do have another four horses who will be trying for those bonus points next time out...Although one of them,Danger tow,(racing this week) managed a 94sp when he one his claim race so i am unsure wether to chuck him in the claimers again...His racing career has been brief so far,so maybe i will resist...It is a fine line between finding the right race without losing a horse and putting them in a race which is out of their depth...
Out of 11 races, all but two finished fourth or better which was good...No fantastic performances but did pick up 3 wins...
Saturday/Sunday(before the updates)is definately the time to breed Madman....The only concern is that the more popular sires are already taken before then...Actually some are snapped up as soon as they become available(using credits)..
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| 11 | Madman
ID: 21020124
Mon, Jan 14, 2002, 03:30
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My crop of "Royal" 2 year olds is really starting to flop -- Key West came back "Layoff!" AARGH. Snow Storm and Secrety Society -- basically 28 point breds -- have been the best of my lot so far. Aargh.
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cab - yeah, that's a tough dilemma. A speed factor like that stays with your horse for a minimum of 5 races. If Davarto does his thing, he tracks 8 (from the Past Performances). Honestly, I've had the darnedest time lately with claimers. I can't get the ones I really want, and I have been losing basically ALL of my horses I put in there. I lost Pro Trick for $30,000! Darned. I really figured that he wouldn't attract attention over 25K. I'd like him back, thank you very much.
I picked up 2 horses in claimers, but they were both questionable 20K pickups. All my cheaper claims didn't work. Part of the problem is the same-track claiming bonus. Seems like you basically HAVE to have that now to get anything of quality under 10K. AAAARGH.
I didn't breed Chocolate Dump right away -- the problem you noted with lots of sires being used. We'll what I do. I was leaning Polish Numbers, but Zgreat gave me some other ideas that I may try instead. I'll keep everyone posted. Not going to breed until later this week at the earliest now. He's been killing my ITM, but he has scored a handful of BP's for me. And a new 2 year old can't even do that at the moment, so I should probably throw him in some more races.
But I really like this breeding stuff. :)
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| 12 | cab
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ID: 9115466
Mon, Jan 14, 2002, 17:01
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I don't know wether you guys are aware? ....It seems there have been a whole bunch of horses added to the data-base...Atleast i am assuming so based on the fact that there are alot of 3yo's in there...Any 3yo's from before Dec 31 would now be 4 so it has been updated since Jan 1st..If you are looking at starting another stable ,now is the time?...
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| 13 | StLCards
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ID: 40951142
Tue, Jan 15, 2002, 01:11
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cab - I couldn't begin to handle another stable now, LOL. From what I've heard on the main board the quality of horses available now seems to be no where near what you could get in previous years. Don't forget to set your golf team due to the Wed start of the Bob Hope.
Madman - I agree, I really enjoy breeding the horses too. I have only done a handful, but I enjoy trying to find the right mix of endurance and speed and price to get some bargain horses that can run. Not quite as dedicated as to try to design a breeding line like Toral talked about, but I enjoy it all the same. Taking a break until 2yo breeding becomes available. Hopefully I can get some more BP's by then.
Speaking of BP's, where can I go to see how BP's are awarded for each race?
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| 14 | Madman
ID: 21020124
Tue, Jan 15, 2002, 01:55
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Where can you go to see how BP's are awarded for each race? GOOD QUESTION!
Here's what the instructions say:
You add together all the applicable modifiers from the tables below to determine how many points you will earn. Please Note!: you CAN NOT lose points for entering a horse into a race! So, if after applying all of the modifiers you come up with a negative value, you are just not credited with points for that race at all.
Race type and order of finish:
Race x Finish
1st
2nd
3rd
4th
5th
Claiming Races
15
12
10
7
5
Allowance
10
7
5
3
1
Stakes
10
7
5
3
1
Add to that, the following modifier for running back at the same track :
Race x Finish
1st
2nd
3rd
4th
5th
6th or greater
Claiming
2
2
2
2
2
1
Non Claiming
2
2
2
1
1
1
Add to that, a 10 point bonus for a horse you bred WITHOUT USING another horse's pedigree that finishes either first, second, or third in a Maiden Claim race. Also, you will get 10 points if your horse debuts in a maiden claim race and finished in the top 3.
Add to that, the following modifier if you (and ONLY you) bred the horse (regardless of whether or not you have owned it for it's entire career), you currently own it, it is running in a claim race, and it either did NOT get claimed out of the race or it was the horse's first race :
Situation x Finish
1st
2nd
3rd
4th
5th
You bred WITHOUT USING another horse's pedigree
7
5
3
2
1
You bred USING another horse's pedigree
3
2
1
0
0
Point totals for maidens running in races not restricted to maidens will be hit with a 7 point penalty. If that brings a horse's point total in a race to or below zero, then zero points will be awarded (NOT NEGATIVE POINTS).
And subtract from that, the following for traveling to enter a NON-STAKES race:
Travel Cost for horse
Point Modifier
0 - $300
0 Points deducted
$310 - $630
1 point deducted
$640 - $990
2 points deducted
$1000 - $1380
3 points deducted
$1390 - $1780
4 points deducted
$1790 - $2200
5 points deducted
$2210 - $2640
6 points deducted
$2650 - $3090
7 points deducted
$3100 - $3560
8 points deducted
$3570 - $4040
9 points deducted
$4050 - $4530
10 points deducted
$4540 +
13 points deducted
NOTE: If the point cost to ship a homebred exceeds 3 points (in other words, costs $1,390 or more to ship), all of the bonus modifiers applying to points for homebred breeding only will be negated. This only applies to the bonus modifiers applying to homebreds. In other words, if you ship a homebred into any claim race and the cost is $1,390 or greater, the horse will be treated as if it were any other non-homebred horse.
Examples:
Claim Race : Finishing 1st after traveling for $2,500 : 14 - 6 = 8 points
Stakes Race : Finishing 2nd after staying at the same track : 6 + 2 = 8 points
Allowance: Finishing 4th after traveling $250 : 2 - 0 = 2 points
Claim Race : 5th place after traveling $1,200 : 4 - 3 = 1 point
Stakes Race: 5th place after traveling $1,200 : 1 point
Claim Race: 5th place after traveling $4,000 : 4 - 9 = -5. Since that's less than 0, you get 0
My reasoning behind this is simple: it makes claim races more attractive than allowance events, hopefully making players look for soft spots for their horses (even if it means potentially losing them). You still won't want to enter your upper echelon horses in the claimer races (since they'll earn you money for claiming and things as well as bring in consistent points), but you'll be likely to take more risks if the payout is good.
If you acquire a horse (through either a claim race or an auction) for more than $10,000, and run the horse in a claim race for 70% or less of what you paid for it within 60 days of purchasing it, you may be subject to another point penalty. For every % point below 70% of the purchase price you paid, you will be accessed a 1 point penalty. So, if you run a horse you purchased for $40,000 in a $25,000 claiming race :
25000 / 40000 = 62.5% -- 7 point penalty (rounded to your favor)
If no one were to claim the horse, then his "purchase price" is reduced to the value of the claim race in which you ran him ONLY IF THAT PRICE IS LOWER THAN THE ORIGINAL PURCHASE PRICE. So, in the example above, your "purchase price" would then be reduced to $25,000. If you were to run him in a $50,000 claim race, his purchase price would remain $40,000. 60 days after purchasing, the penalty is removed. If the amount of points you earned for the race is less than the amount of points deducted then you will get 0 points.
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However, all of the points awarded to claiming races MIGHT be very different from the above! Those rules only apply if your horse either doesn't finish top 3 in a claiming race, or didn't score any points last time out! Because then you go into the new world of "bonus" points where you get to add totals from their last claiming race . . . and my head starts to spin!
BTW, you can breed 2yo's now, you just can't race them.
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| 15 | StLCards
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ID: 40951142
Tue, Jan 15, 2002, 02:06
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Uhh, thanks?
wow, I never imagined it was so complicated. The best I can tell from looking this over quickly is that I need to breed some very cheap endurance horses (plodders?) to run 16f MC races (where there are only 4 or so horses entered; at least in the past) and then run them repeatedly at the same track. This should guarantee pts almost every run, and no one would want to claim them winning with whopping speeds of 58 and such.
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| 16 | Madman
ID: 21020124
Tue, Jan 15, 2002, 04:30
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StlCards -- YOU GOT IT! I'm going Marathon claimers myself . . . it's just darned hard to find such horses.
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| 17 | cab
Donor
ID: 9115466
Tue, Jan 15, 2002, 07:36
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If you have a real plodder who is going nowhere in sprint or middle distance races,it pays to give them a shot or two at the marathon races...Red sal being one example...He was a very consistent runner...Mid 50's all the way from 6f to 16f!...He did get a win and a couple of places at the longer distances though...And they do get claimed STL!...
Marathoners at any class are great horses to have...Fourth bingo is collecting bp's at most starts now in str. all. races and Parade shooting should continue to do well in starters, allowances or stakes races...I'm hoping that Yankee alphabet and perhaps Bee stacking and Pepi undercut will also handle the 12f-16f races because life for them is going to be very tough in the near future if they can't crack the 100sp barrier...
Irionically,it is probably better to have a dirt marathoner rather than a turf runner...I looked at Mr Cokers records(13-16f) one day and the majority of the top speed figures were performed by turfers...
Thanks for the reminder STL..I probably would've forgotten....The darts have been thrown and the team is set!...for now...
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| 18 | Madman
ID: 21020124
Wed, Jan 16, 2002, 15:37
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I just noticed that the Guru set up a separate forum for Simulated Sports. From now on, we should probably start new threads over there to keep from cluttering up this general forum. Hopefully we can keep track of the 5-6 gurupies we have going in HR this way, and maybe attract a few more over the course of time.
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