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Posted by: TBRaiders - [26738619] Sun, Aug 06, 23:00
I would congratulate Sanchez and his Cubs for winning his second World Series but he doesn't own them anymore. Tough Luck Logos. I was rooting for you.

Retirements were a little harsh on you too, losing Dodson and Ransom.

I hope there is still enough interest with current owners for season 3 and beyond. Hopefully we can get two more Gurupie owners to fill the Cubs and Rangers.

Let the Free Agency Madness begin......
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87Whitey
      ID: 6437514
      Wed, Aug 23, 12:57 		J - Do me a favor and take 3 out of 4 from the Padres tonight.....and throw a couple bean balls at Mr. Brogna!!!!! ;)
88Brock
      ID: 42542238
      Fri, Aug 25, 07:41 		I'm being totally serious and I think you need to calm down Whitey. I think that never winning is going to your head. One of these years you won't finish second or third. You'll finally win your division, or at least there's a good chance that will happen. Lopez is slumping. His ratings are decent but not great. I've just managed to get him to produce a lot better than he should have the past couple of years. That's what happens when you're playing for a winner. You might find that out eventually. Have fun drafting before me again.
89J
      ID: 50726110
      Fri, Aug 25, 08:16 		"One of these years you won't finish second or third"

Anyone else think I should take that personally????


;P
92Whitey
      ID: 6437514
      Fri, Aug 25, 11:22 		Brock - I guess we'll see where our teams stand after tonight. We go head-to-head. I guess you think you're gonna sweep the Cards tonight, right?? I'll touch base with you again after I take 3 out of 4 from you and knock you out of first place!!! This is fun, I should talk trash more often ;)
93TBRaiders
      ID: 56445314
      Fri, Aug 25, 20:13 		It's been fun for me to read, as well

;P
94Brock
      ID: 495121712
      Fri, Aug 25, 23:55 		Well it took an act of god for you to split with me. Who in the hell is this Lacy guy??? I know you were bitching earlier about some guy hitting a pair of homeruns off of you that didn't even belong in AAA. Well Lacy has AA ratings and he somehow manages to held the most potent offense in the game to 1 run??? How much did that cost you? The commish must be rich now.
95Whitey
      ID: 6437514
      Sat, Aug 26, 11:27 		If you want to go there, check out the pathetic ratings for your guy Romano. He's got like 6 HRs and I have no idea how. If you look through the league leaders, you will see many players who don't belong there based on their ratings. The Commish has some touch-up work to do with the simulator.

As for wonder-boy Lacy, He has a 490 fastball, 430 breaking ball and high 200s in the other 2 categories. That's good enough to be a stud in grand slam baseball.

Are you pissed that losing those two games to me knocked you out of first place?? I thought so. NL East is where it's at...all 4 teams within 3 games of each other!!!!
96Brock
      ID: 495121712
      Sun, Aug 27, 09:59 		Lacy, a stud??? Maybe on your team but not on any contender's team. I wish I was in the East. I would be leading your division by a game. Instead, I'm in the division with the 2 best teams in the league. I will prevail, you can count on that. I hope you have all your off-season moves planned out because it looks like another rebuilding year for you.
97Whitey
      ID: 6437514
      Sun, Aug 27, 10:51 		Your posts always crack me up man!! You never use any sensible logic to prove your points. You just throw out things like "my team is the best" and leave it at that. Actually, I think the problem is your hitters are starting to perform like they should based on their rating and that spells trouble for the Padres. Your pitching can only take you so far. Please, keep the entertaining posts coming.......
98Brock
      ID: 42542238
      Mon, Aug 28, 07:48 		Let me know in which post I said my team was the best. I'm just curious. But you're exactly right when you say that. If you don't think your team is the best, then how do you expect to win??? I know some people don't think their team is the best, but they also don't expect to win either. I sure hope you're not one of these. I guess you're just not a logical person that can see things sensibly. I use facts in almost every post. I guess you don't like to see the reality in these things.
99J
      ID: 50726110
      Mon, Aug 28, 08:35 		Now, you may be thinking, J, there's something wrong! It says you're eliminated from the playoffs, but you're only 3 games out! Well, true. But, the huge series between the Cards & the Cubs this week, elimates both me and the purple pimpster from the playoffs. No matter what happens in the Cubs-Cards games, neither of us can overtake either of them. So thats that...

Good luck guys!


NL East Gurupie? W - L Pct GB Last10 Streak Draft Pick Magic #
Cubs Josie 34 - 26 .567 -- 4-6 L2 11 t 5
Cardinals Whitey 34 - 26 .567 -- 6-4 W2 11 t
z- Mets J 31 - 29 .517 3 7-3 W2 8 t
z- Braves Purple Pimp 30 - 30 .500 4 4-6 L2 7

NL Central Gurupie? W - L Pct GB Last10 Streak Draft Pick Magic #
Giants Al 37 - 23 .617 -- 7-3 W2 15 3
Padres Brock 35 - 25 .583 2 5-5 L2 13
z- Astros Wammie 29 - 31 .483 8 5-5 W2 5 t
z- Dodgers ??? 16 - 44 .267 21 2-8 L2 2

AL East Gurupie? W - L Pct GB Last10 Streak Draft Pick Magic #
y- Orioles TBRaiders 36 - 24 .600 -- 7-3 W3 14 --
z- Indians ??? 31 - 29 .517 5 5-5 L3 8 t
z- Yankees ??? 31 - 29 .517 5 7-3 W1 8 t
z- RedSox ??? 28 - 32 .467 8 4-6 L1 4

AL West Gurupie? W - L Pct GB Last10 Streak Draft Pick Magic #
y- Royals Logos 39 - 21 .650 -- 7-3 W4 16 --
z- WhiteSox MikeMaz 29 - 31 .483 10 6-4 W3 5 t
z- Mariners Sid Caesar 27 - 33 .450 12 1-9 L5 3
z- Rangers Timing 13 - 47 .217 26 3-7 L3 1


y-Clinched division title.
z-Eliminated from playoffs.

100Whitey
      ID: 2543539
      Tue, Aug 29, 09:33 		Cubs and Cards... 1 game....winner goes to the league championship series, loser goes to the golf course.

I'm hoping my starter can keep me in the game until he hands off to my bullpen. Since it's a 1 game playoff, I have my 3-headed closer filling the spots of middle relief, setup and stopper. These three guys (Adkins, Negrette, Caraciolli)could probably close for any other team in the league, but I wound up keeping all 3 of them for some stupid reason. Hope it pays off
101TBRaiders
      ID: 26738619
      Tue, Aug 29, 15:57 		Good luck Whitey.

After checking the standings I was positive I would see some smack talking in here. I still am not sure if Brock is that serious or just having fun with it all. Either way, I get a smile out of it.

GSB is way too unpredictable for me to take seriously. My Royals team in Z2 is loaded with talent and can't win consistently.
102Wammie
      ID: 437541618
      Tue, Aug 29, 17:15 		i don't know, everyone saying that gsb is too unpredictable, look at the dodgers, if you had that team in gsb, and they did for you what they are really doing, you would probably quit
103TBRaiders
      ID: 26738619
      Tue, Aug 29, 19:09 		Take a look at the stats of players he is starting too. At one point last year I think he only had 3 SP listed for team. That tells me pitching rotation wasn't even set up.

IF GSB Mark Clark isn't the equivalent of real life Randy Johnson then I am overpaying him.
I know Randy has a bad game now and then, but for a shortened season, meaning what?....maybe 18 starts, hard to see him blowing up in half of them. I know, I know, real baseball has ups and downs. Real baseball is also 160+ games and allows for experimentation and adjustment.

3-4 bad weeks(real world days) in GSB and you can be out of play-off picture. I still enjoy the game but think it is almost all luck, a little skill in setting line-up and picking up players.

To boast of GSB success, like some of the old-timers do on the GSB message boards, makes me laugh. It's like me bragging that I won the Superbowl on a NFL nintendo game by playing the coach. In all honesty, winning an online spades championship is more difficult. Playing GSB with Gurupie pals is funner than spades, but I don't feel as competetive as I would playing SW games.

BTW, can't believe I won division again. I made almost 20 million just during the season. Heck, I made money on road games when gate was only 450K for me. I think I will bid 150 million a year for best free agent....hehehe
104Timing
      ID: 67132818
      Tue, Aug 29, 23:31 		Looks like the Cardinals made the playoffs... I wonder what the Padres think of that! lol
105Whitey
      ID: 2543539
      Wed, Aug 30, 08:14 		Brock - Now that your season is over, what score did you shoot on the golf course yesterday???

Just had to get one last shot in before the playoffs start.

I was totally shocked that my team weas able to get to Ramos like they did. A 9 spot in one inning including a grand slam by Manny? I couldn't even have imagined that. The Giants are going to be real tough in the NLCS
106Brock
      ID: 42542238
      Wed, Aug 30, 11:01 		And to think I had a better record than you this year and you're in the playoffs. I guess that just shows that we need a wild card. It takes away from the playoffs when the best teams aren't in it.
107Whitey
      ID: 2543539
      Wed, Aug 30, 12:01 		There you go again with that "best team" stuff... ;)

Seriously, they probably should have a wild card, but there aren't enough teams to justify it...maybe if there just 2 eight team leagues and the team with the best record got a bye. Then the 2nd and 3rd place teams play in the first round.

Good to see you're taking your 2nd place finish like a man...what's it gonna take for you to acknowledge my team as a winning team? (or will that never happen?)
108Timing
      ID: 67132818
      Wed, Aug 30, 14:22 		I'm tellin ya man, we need some realignment so the Pads and Cards can smash heads a few times a season! lol Congratulations Whitey. Better luck next year Brock.
109J
      ID: 50726110
      Wed, Aug 30, 14:41 		anyone up for starting some regular season awards??? (MVP, Cy Young?????) It can give us (non-playoff teams) something to do!!!

I'll take a look around....
110Timing
      ID: 67132818
      Wed, Aug 30, 14:59 		HEY! Matt White of the Rangers is Cy Young material. Unforunately his win/loss record doesn't reflect his 2.72 era, heheheh.
112Whitey
      ID: 6437514
      Wed, Aug 30, 16:13 		I was going to vote for Jose Valentin as NL MVP with Joyner getting an honorable mention (if he wasn't hurt for 18 games).

AL MVP would be Nick Johnson in my eyes.

NL Cy Young Tom Glavine (second place Bohanon)

AL Cy Young Brandon Reed

NL Rookie of the year: Kerry Lacy (only because I don't know the other teams' rookies and Brock hates this guy)

AL Rookie of the year ????
113J
      ID: 50726110
      Wed, Aug 30, 17:05 		Here we go.....


National League MVP Team AVG HR RBI R 2B 3B SB J Pts
Valentin, Jose Braves 0.379* 6 60* 38 13 1 9 50
Girardi, Joe Giants 0.345 7 44 40 8 0 0 47
Budzinski, Mark Mets 0.308 8 34 51* 9 4* 15* 45
Lofton, Kenny Giants 0.339 7 30 49 11 2 12 42
Stovall, DaRond Giants 0.330 7 49 45 6 0 7 35
Coquillette, Trace Braves 0.343 2 23 46 5 0 15* 34

American League MVP Team AVG HR RBI R 2B 3B SB J Pts
Lawton, Matt WhiteSox 0.351 7 41 40 11 0 11 43
Johnson, Nick Royals 0.396* 6 31 64* 8 0 25* 40
Casey, Sean Royals 0.360 4 37 37 14* 1 13 34
Durham, Ray Mariners 0.378 6 26 42 11 2 11 32
Seitzer, Brad Royals 0.298 9* 40 39 8 1 0 31
Cintron, Alex Royals 0.335 7 45* 40 5 0 0 31
*-League Leader

J Points based on the following formula:
League Leader in AVG, HR, RBI given 20pts for leading the league, 18pts for 2nd, 16 for 3rd...
League Leader for R, 2B, 3B, SB given 10pts for 1st, 9 for 2nd…"

National League Cy Young Team Wins ERA K IP J Pts
Bohanon, Brian Padres 9* 2.81 80* 112 55
Callier, Jeremy Padres 9* 2.68 77 111 54
Ramos, Juan Cubs 8 2.61 70 114 47
Glavine, Tom Giants 9* 2.56* 60 95 40
Simon, Ben Mets 8 2.78 71 110 38

American League Cy Young Team Wins ERA K IP J Pts
Cubillan, Darwin Royals 9* 2.62 93* 117* 68
Reed, Brandon Yankees 9* 2.64 80 109 52
Clark, Mark Orioles 8 2.71 85 113 50
Gonzalez, Gabe Yankees 9* 3.08 84 108 42
Newman, Alan Yankees 9* 3.60 72 110 30
*-League Leader

J Points based on the following formula:
League Leader in Wins, ERA, K's given 20pts for leading the league, 18pts for 2nd, 16 for 3rd...
League Leader for IP given 10pts for 1st, 9 for 2nd…"
114Brock
      ID: 42542238
      Thu, Aug 31, 09:41 		You have a good team Whitey, just not as good as mine. I'm sure you feel the same way about yours compared to mine. Most managers with good teams feel this way. I can't believe you think Glavine should win the Cy Young over Bohanon or Callier. The stats don't lie. You weren't being bias were you???
115Whitey
      ID: 2543539
      Thu, Aug 31, 10:00 		Brock - In this case, I definitely was not being biased. I was looking at the won/loss record, the ERA and the strikeout-to-walk ratio for all of the pitchers. Glavine comes out on top in my book. No doubt Bohanon and Callier had great years (all your starters did damn it!!!), but Ijust think you can't penalize Glavine because he didn't pitch as many innings as the other guys. Anybody else want to weigh in on this??

....and yes I did get swept by the Giants in the playoffs (i'm going to go crawl into a hole now until next season starts)
116J
      ID: 50726110
      Thu, Aug 31, 10:03 		I think IP is a big factor here though. Bullpens around the league generally are not very strong. The more innings a starter can go, the more valuable the starter is.
117MikeMaz
      ID: 33433912
      Thu, Aug 31, 11:12 		J it looks as if I've lost my team ...I didn't log in for a week while on vacation and my sign-on no longer works. I'll probably re-join another division. Thanks , MikeMaz
118J
      ID: 50726110
      Thu, Aug 31, 12:40 		that sucks MikeMaz. Some guy named, Thad from Phoenix is now with the White Sox. Sorry to see ya go! Good luck with a new team.
119Brock
      ID: 42542238
      Thu, Aug 31, 13:22 		I'll weigh back in. Glavine has a 318 stamina rating. He's not good enough to pitch more than 6 innings a game. Bo is a workhorse. He goes almost 8 innings a game. Bo had 33% more strikeouts and had 1 fewer walk. Sure Glavine beat him in ERA (2.56 to 2.81) but that's a small margin. They both won 9 games. Bo gave up only 2 more hits despite pitching 17 more innings. The facts speak for themselves.
120Timing
      ID: 67132818
      Thu, Aug 31, 13:33 		My votes:
NL Cy-Jeremy Callier
AL Cy-Darwin Cubillan

NL MVP-Jose Valentin
AL MVP-Nick Johnson
121Whitey
      ID: 2543539
      Thu, Aug 31, 13:58 		Here are the 3 main candidates for NL Cy Young (I could include Ramos, but I won't just because he gave up 10ER in the most important game of the year ;):

Glavine 9-2 2.56 ERA, 95 IP, 86 H, 22 BB, 60 K
Bohanon 9-4 2.81 ERA, 112 IP, 88 H, 21 BB, 80 K
Callier 9-5 2.68 ERA, 111 IP, 124 H, 22 BB, 77K

Some observations. All 3 men pitched the same amount of games (16). Glavine has the best ERA and the best winning percentage of the 3. Do you think winning percentage is important or just number of wins. Before you answer that question, would you rather have a pitcher who is 100-150 in his career or one who is 75-30?

Other than those 2 stats, Bohanon definitely has the best numbers. It all comes down to what each voter thinks are the important statistics.

Brock - I am not trying to be combative here, just trying to show another perspective.
122J
      ID: 50726110
      Thu, Aug 31, 14:08 		its a good point Whitey, when I was looking at the stats before, I realized I should've added Losses in there.


I still am impressed that my last place Mets produced a top 3 MVP candidate and a top 5 Cy Young candidate!!! (at least according to my system)
123Brock
      ID: 42542238
      Thu, Aug 31, 15:09 		I look at the records this way, Glavine came out of 3 games where he was losing and fortunately for him, his team came back in those 3 so he got a no decision. Win/Loss record can be very deceiving at times.
124Whitey
      ID: 6437514
      Thu, Aug 31, 16:46 		fair point
125Timing
      ID: 67132818
      Thu, Aug 31, 17:22 		Well now that all the stats are there I'll change my Cy Young vote to Bohanon.
127TBRaiders
      ID: 26738619
      Mon, Sep 04, 11:50 		Congrats to Logos and his Royals World Series Championship in season #3.

My memory is horrible but isn't this the second season I lost game seven of the ALCS in extra innings to you?

Alas, what can you expect from a team whose salary was just over 2 million a week. With Hernandez retiring my salary dropped even more.

No real superstar free agents this year to spend it on either. I sure wish my Royals in Z2 played like yours did in P2.

I have added my farm players that are available next year to become free agents to my 40 man roster. I have no eligible free agents next year on my MLB team. I have signed the players coming into 3+ seasons who I want for long term. I guess I don't have anything to do for the next couple days but wait for new season.

Maybe I can go overbid for Alomar and Koskie. Gives me something to do and a place to spend some money...
128Timing
      ID: 30820522
      Tue, Sep 05, 22:20 		Clontz went for 5 years $38million! I was bidding that guy up to about 1 year $8 million and after that, pfffffffft!! Seven million a year for a closer with almost no career record, a verrrrrrry brave move.
129J
      ID: 50726110
      Wed, Sep 06, 08:14 		so much for getting a catcher!

Anyone have a catcher they'd like to trade me?????
130Whitey
      ID: 2543539
      Wed, Sep 06, 10:44 		J - I'm in the same boat as you. I was going to bid on Robertson or even the guy Pena, but they were both signed before I got a chance to outbid the guy.

If anyone is looking to trade a catcher or a shortstop, let me know. I will trade multiple prospects.
131TBRaiders
      ID: 26738619
      Wed, Sep 06, 11:28 		I hate to give away my secrets, but what the heck, we are all family here.

Last year I didn't expect to do much so I did lots of experimenting. I played multiple players in the catcher position, mostly rookie OF's.

Rarely did they make any errors and yes, baserunners were still thrown out. I did notice more errors when I played players out of position everywhere else, but not at catcher.

Anyone else track their player stats throughout the year? I have noticed it doesn't matter what level pitchers are at, they gain the same at A, AA, and AAA. I think I will put some OF with 300+ average in A this year and see if they gain differently. Let them spend two weeks in AAA then back to A for two weeks, and check it out.
132Whitey
      ID: 2543539
      Wed, Sep 06, 11:53 		In addition to what TB said - I found that as long as a guy has a high AVG rating, the other 3 categories don't really mean $hit...also, if you experiment enough you can find a guy who performs WAYYYYYY above his ratings. I've seen guys with mid-300 ratings in all 4 categories play a full season and bat .300 with great all-around numbers. There is a lot of work to do with the simulator. Hopefully, the Commish can introduce this new simulator soon or it's probably back to strat-o-matic for me!! ;)
133Brock
      ID: 42542238
      Wed, Sep 06, 13:05 		Whitey - Please state the real reason you want to go back to strat-o-matic, you don't want to endure more ass kickings courtesy of yours truly. I know you really don't want the commish to implement the sim changes because your $hitbag players will come back to reality and produce like their AAA ratings show.
134Whitey
      ID: 2543539
      Wed, Sep 06, 13:28 		Here we go again!!! I was starting to think you were turning over a new leaf. It's good to hear some smack in this thread once again. So how was your offseason??? I bet it really sucked to get all pumped up to go to the series and then not even make the playoffs.

On the contrary, if the sim is "corrected" to have the production match the ratings then my players would perform even better than they currently are performing, especially some of my hitters. A lot of teams have players who only have high AVG rating and nothing else and would be really hurt by a new simulator (I won't mention any names.....TB).

I can't wait until the Cardinals play the underachieving Padres and Manny Ramirez lays the smack down on Brian Bohanon!!!!!!
135Brock
      ID: 42542238
      Wed, Sep 06, 14:48 		Manny who??? I've never heard of him. He must be a nobody. Talking smack is my specialty. It's one of my god given talents. This offseason has been fair. I had a couple of really good players retire but I also picked up a couple of people vie FA/trade. It should be a very exciting season and of course I'll make it to the Series in case you or anybody else was wondering.
136Timing
      ID: 684615
      Wed, Sep 06, 15:04 		Only thing I'm wondering is how you're going to get to the Series without making the playoffs first! lol
137Brock
      ID: 42542238
      Wed, Sep 06, 15:31 		Who's to stop me??? I've sized up the competition and it doesn't look like it should be a problem. Does anyone know what the record for wins in a season is? I thought I read that it was 53. I'm shooting for at least 54.
138TBRaiders
      ID: 26738619
      Thu, Sep 07, 01:06 		Glad to get some smack going in here again. In honor of Brock's sh*t-talking, I nominate him to start the P-2 Season 4 thread.

This is the year I win it. I can feel it. I am the GSB A's. I don't spend a lot of cash but my guys are loose and give it their all every game.

Yep Whitey, I go for average and speed before anything else. When Jaysuade and Renegade Salmon introduced the game I took notes and scoured the GSB message forum. My best home run hitter was Damon Mashore. He had a HR rating of about 350.

You guys talk about the new sim like it's not already here. Is there another one on the way?

Someone trade me a pitcher who is worth a dam and I will go kick Brock's butt in the World Series. Wait a sec, he has to make play-offs first. Maybe I should try and beat Royals first anyways.

You two need to quit letting the Cubs kick your arse every year and take charge of them divisions.

Now, where the hell is that Purple Pimp and his smack talking..........
139Whitey
      ID: 2543539
      Thu, Sep 07, 07:41 		Did the simulator not run last night?? I thought there was still one more round of free agent signings.

If anyone is willing to trade a quality veteran shortstop for multiple prospects let me know

- Whitey
140TB
      ID: 17352112
      Tue, Apr 03, 16:29 		BUTT
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