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Subject: P2 Season 9, Final Chapter: Playoffs and Awards Posted by: TB at work - [1311481612] Sat, Feb 17, 15:09 We still have two tie breaker games to play to determine the AL winners but here are the final standings: NL East Mets 38-26 J "First Division Title" Braves 34-30 Purple "Another 2nd Place" Pimp Cubs 32-32 Worm "Been awhile since this team was .500" Cardinals 31-33 Whitey "Won't stay in cellar long" NL Worst Dodgers 41-23 Phillip Mendoza "Bought his Title" Astro's 30-34 Wammie "18-14 at home helped him win bet" Padres 30-34 Brock "Hittin' on Wammies Pipe" Giants 24-40 Alex (I think he split) AL East Orioles 38-26 TB "Didn't seal the deal and has one game showdown" Yankees 38-26 Chiz "Hoping to make TB eat his words" Indians 31-33 Boomer "Could have been in 2nd place in NL Worst" Red Sox 25-39 Outlaw/STLP "Will have to log on for one more season" AL West Rangers 39-25 Timing "Hoping to win first Title" Royals 39-25 "One game showdown with Rangers" White Sox 27-37 "At least we're better than the Mariners" Mariners 15-49 "Worst team in P2 history" Large Gurupie fan base is rooting for a Mets victory in NLCS. Sunday night games will decide who vies for the ALCS. Again, Gurupie fan base is pulling for a Ranger-Oriole match-up. | ||||||
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| 210 | Wammie ID: 20039259 Wed, Feb 21, 13:44 | After Worm helped you out with giving you roster info Brock? I like Worm in here. granted he does make our league weaker, but he is fun. you are very harsh. banishing a guy to f3 would be a horrible punishment | |||||
| 211 | Timing ID: 590262414 Wed, Feb 21, 13:48 | We can't kick worm out, he's our whipping boy. | |||||
| 212 | Whitey ID: 2543539 Wed, Feb 21, 13:52 | Brock's just pissed that worm labeled him as having one of the worst records in P2 this season (post 167). Granted a 30-34 record in the P2 National League is not exactly terrible, but worm was still rubbing it in because he finished 32-32 (a minor miracle I would say) | |||||
| 213 | Wammie ID: 20039259 Wed, Feb 21, 14:36 | I think Whitey figured it out! 30-34 is the p2 national league is pretty bad, i would know. that was my record this season too. in the national league, to be fair, you should be around .500 with everyone, and you should win 7 of 8 from the AL. My team sucked this year, and that is why i didn't kick the AL's ass like I would have liked. | |||||
| 214 | Brock ID: 42542238 Wed, Feb 21, 14:39 | I didn't even read that whole post of Worms until now. I placed 11th in the league but the AL records can be misleading because of the Mariners. Grub's definitely getting the boot now. | |||||
| 215 | Wammie ID: 20039259 Wed, Feb 21, 14:46 | Maybe if you hadn't been impeached for abuse of power in your self pronounced presidency, you could boot worm, but now it looks like Worm is here to stay. unless you bought some pesticide... | |||||
| 216 | Timing ID: 590262414 Wed, Feb 21, 15:02 |
Hey you two guys are Iowa fans or somethin? I frequent a Houston Rockets fan site and I found this fan site link to one of your Iowa alumns. www.airbullard.com Pretty funny actually. Anyways... have yall noticed that prospects are developing much faster than they used to? It used to be that prospects took anywhere from 6 to sometimes 8 seasons to develop. Now it seems they're developing in less than 5 complete seasons. This is great for rebuilding teams because it let's them turn over a draft quicker but it makes it a little harder to judge when prospects are maxed out. | |||||
| 217 | Brock ID: 42542238 Wed, Feb 21, 15:09 |
Timing - Matt Bullard is pretty much worthless as you probably know. Wammie is a dumbass Iowa State, aka Tractor Tech/Moo U, fan. Wasn't somebody a Purdue Boilermakers fan on here? If so, they're in for an asswhipping tonight by Iowa. I noticed that about the prospects now. I had one guy go up like 8 points in AVG in one day. He was at 457 and went up to 465. This was on the last day of the regular season. He's in his 4th year but he hasn't went up a single point during the playoffs. This pisses me off. I thought for sure he was going to end around 480. | |||||
| 218 | Wammie ID: 20039259 Wed, Feb 21, 15:15 |
Agreed that Matt Bullard sucked. Brock is correct that I am a Iowa State Cyclone fan, but we are the Cyclones, not Tracto, Tech/Moo U. It shouldn't take a minor leaguer 8 years to develop any way. that would mean if a guy was drafted out of college he wouldn't make the majors until he was 30, or 26 straight out of hs. 4 seasons is a little closer. i think some guys should get drafted and jump really fast their max, with in 2-3 seasons. others could take 8 seasons. it would be damn cool if you could draft a guy and in three years have a starter on your mlb squad. it happens in MLB why not here? | |||||
| 219 | Timing ID: 590262414 Wed, Feb 21, 15:23 |
I know that Air Bullard isn't a great player but he's really popular here in Houston. I agree with you Wammie. It would be awesome and probably more realistic for draft picks to vary more in how many seasons they need to develop. I've said it 5 or 10 times on the GSB board that I'd like to see superstar prospects develop in 2/3 seasons. Also it would be cool if we had an Asian league and a Latin American league to buy players kind of like the northern league. | |||||
| 220 | Wammie ID: 20039259 Wed, Feb 21, 15:27 | adding the new leages like the Asian and/or latin league would be cool. especially if they were restocked with tallent all of the time, or if you could dedicate part of your money to just world wide scouting and have players just appear in your minor leagues from this scouting. | |||||
| 221 | Brock ID: 42542238 Wed, Feb 21, 15:47 | That scouting idea is very intersting. Who gave you that idea Wammie? A scenario would be this. You pay for a scout with a set of abilities. He can judge AVG players better than HR players. He would see a player as a 4 star AVG instead of 3 and vice versa. The scout could be rated on a scale of 1-10 in each of the 3 categories for hitting and pitching. I think the stars ratings could be changed. I think there needs to be a bigger scale. 6-8 stars for player ratings would be much better. | |||||
| 222 | Wammie ID: 20039259 Wed, Feb 21, 15:54 | I thought of the scouting thing on my own thank you. I think the drafting and the minor leagues is what sets this league apart. but it can be improved a lot. I think this is one of the biggest areas that could be looked at. there are tons of directionst the scouting change could go. I like Brock's ideas of more stars. That could be changed pretty easily. but an 8 star formula would have very little effect on the game, since it would be very similar to the 4 start. how about if you had some scouts that you paid so much money. the more money, the better scouting you get. (of course all scouts are wrong sometime) but when you are offered a trade, you could have your scout look at the prospect being offered. he could tell you what he expects the player to be like. the better the scout, the better a report on the player. you could also have these scouts looking through the minors, foreign leagues if you had them, the northern league, and the draft. insted of having a star system, maybe if you made your own scout appraise each player. just a thought. | |||||
| 223 | Brock ID: 381521923 Wed, Feb 21, 17:20 | An 8 star would be much better than a 4 star. Instead of a bunch of 4 star guys that are actually 3.5 worthy, you could have a 7 star guy. It would refine the ratings. I think the scouts should be like FA's and get bid on. They would have set rating abilities. I don't know if any of you have played Front Office Football but it has a process very similar to this. | |||||
| 224 | Purple Pimp ID: 91091619 Wed, Feb 21, 17:51 | Boilermaker right here Brock | |||||
| 225 | Wammie ID: 437541618 Wed, Feb 21, 19:37 |
There are tons of ways that the scouting could go. The reason I say that it would not make that big of a difference from 4 stars to 8 stars is that 7&8 would be the same group as the 4 star guys. since most of us only concern ourselves with 4 star average guys, this would not increase the number of prospects you would concern yourself with. if anythign it would lessen the number of prospects people would draft and such. This is because to implement this approach, only a few constants in the alogorithms would change, and then the amount that a skill increases would be cut in half. this would be a very easy way to implement this in code, unless the commish accidently "hard coded" 1-4 star option with out the intent of ever changing it. Brock you have programmed, so you would know that it would not be uncommon for some one to have written all of the code with for example the number "4" rather than sum variable called, max_stars. if the commish used 4 it would be imbedded through out his entire growth process and would be a major pain in the ass to change. but if he used the max_stars method, this kind of coding change could most likely be made in less than an hour. | |||||
| 226 | Brock ID: 381521923 Wed, Feb 21, 20:14 |
I can't imagine that he would have hard coded it. With the 7&8 stars in place of the 4 star, you have a better judgement of a players potential abilities. That's the whole point. PP - Iowa is kicking some ass right now!!! | |||||
| 227 | Wammie ID: 437541618 Wed, Feb 21, 21:05 |
I really don't know how much of a better judgement that it would be, since what would likely happen would be just having the 4 star guys broken into two groups. they likely would be very similar. You should ask the commish if he ever considered changing it Brock | |||||
| 228 | TBRaiders ID: 26738619 Wed, Feb 21, 21:20 |
Yesterdays posts were funny to read. Today, reading Sachin, was like a broken record. You don't have to keep insulting people to get your point across. Ya know, I can't even bring myself to scroll up to address what was said. I will say that everyone understood what you were saying the first time you said it, but had funny f!cking with you about it for a while. Take a chill pill and relax, you might even fit in eventually. I like what you guys are proposing about scouting. That would be an awesome feature and goes along with what we've said about having a manager as well. The game could be expanded into so many areas. Pinch hitters that are set with variables. Same for pinch runners. Hiring managers with different abilities or attributes. Or instead of managers, just having the ability to set variables for each inning. IE, when runners should steal or who is allowed to steal, bunting situations, replacing pitchers mid-inning that are getting shelled or in a crucial situation. I would really like to be able to utilize my whole bench in a game. That would actually add a twist. Players with a low average but high speed and defense could be used. If all else, it would be fun to add another dimension to a pretty simple game. What's up Pimpster? You've been quiet lately. You must have the "Staying Home for the Playoffs" Blues. =) I got 'em too. Hey Timing, the Whitesox have won your division at least once. I know I beat them in the ALCS for my first World Series. TB | |||||
| 229 | Timing ID: 590262414 Wed, Feb 21, 21:34 |
Oh really? Oh well... it sounded pretty good when I wrote it! lol I noticed that Wammie was in our B3 league at one time in the first 2 seasons or so. He then of course chickened out and ran off like a lost mutt cause I run that league. Mwahahhaha! | |||||
| 230 | Wammie ID: 437541618 Wed, Feb 21, 21:49 |
Timing, That league started off with the same teams as our p2 league did. I had the cubs, who we know started very solid. Sanchez won a couple p2 titles before trying the cheat his way to a third! I just didn't have time to play that team in b3. as i remember, it started in the late to mid summer or something. i didn't have much access to a computer in august, and i took 21 credits at college last fall and didn't have time to run two teams. i wish i could have stayed though. that cubs team was stacked! | |||||
| 231 | Timing ID: 590262414 Wed, Feb 21, 21:54 | 21 credits in one semester? That's insane man! | |||||
| 232 | TBRaiders ID: 26738619 Thu, Feb 22, 00:03 |
All-Time Division Winners: NL East: Cards:6 (2-2 WS) Cubs:2 (2-0 WS) Mets:1 NL West: Padres:3 (1-0 WS) Stros:2 Giants:2 (0-1 WS) Dodgers:2 (1st WS this year) AL East: Orioles:6 (2-0 WS) Yankees:3 (0-1 WS, playing in 2nd series this year) AL West: Royals:7 (1-4 WS) Rangers:1 White Sox:1 Season 1) Cubs beat Dodgers, Yankees beat Royals: Cubs win Series 2) Cubs beat Padres, Royals beat Orioles: Cubs win Series 3) Giants beat Cards, Royals beat Orioles: Royals win Series 4) Cards beat Padres, Orioles beat White Sox: Orioles win Series 5) Cards beat Giants, Royals beat Orioles: Cards win Series 6) Cards beat Stros, Royals beat Orioles: Cards win Series 7) Padres beat Cards, Royals beat Yankees: Padres win Series 8) Cards beat Stros, Orioles beat Royals: Orioles win Series 9) Dodgers beat Mets, Yankees beat Rangers: ?? Man, I hope the Yankees can actually win this year. TB | |||||
| 233 | Wammie ID: 20039259 Thu, Feb 22, 07:49 | Yeah Timing, it was crazy. I needed 21 credits to graduate, so i could break it up into 2 light terms or get my ass kicked for 1 term and be finished. i opted to get my ass kicked. it sucked. 15 of the credits were 300-400 level engineering courses, and the last 6 were electives. it was a major pain in the ass, that is for sure! | |||||
| 234 | J ID: 50726110 Thu, Feb 22, 08:23 |
Nice stuff TB, glad we have some historical data. Dodgers are up 3-1, not looking good for the Yanks. This is gonna be the first year a non-gurupie wins the World Series! Unless, Sanchez still counts as a gurupie. | |||||
| 235 | Wammie ID: 20039259 Thu, Feb 22, 08:32 | I would say Sanchez is quasi gurupie. he doesn't have the balls to post in here any more. Have you guys seen Sanchez on any of the other boards? He must play baseball or somethign to have found gsb at the same time as the rest of us. | |||||
| 236 | TB at work ID: 1311481612 Thu, Feb 22, 10:01 |
Sanchez boycotted RotoGuru.com when the football forums were seperated and he protested the "select" forum. I honestly don't think that Sanchez is the Dodgers. I haven't seen him post in any forum since he stated he was leaving in the select football forum. J, you are spoiled by the V2 record keeping. I do think it will be cool to maintain stats for our new league. Hopefully we can get enough people involved that want to do that. With all of Brock's sh!t talking I thought he won more division titles. He did come close to upsetting the Cubs in season two. The Royals have seriously gotten the beatdown in the WS. | |||||
| 237 | Whitey ID: 2543539 Thu, Feb 22, 10:13 | About record-keeping and stats....I am a bit of a statistics-freak myself. I would love to have franchise stats and stuff like that kept in the merger league. I think we should also have some organized voting at the end of each season to reward certain players and owners who had excellent seasons.. | |||||
| 238 | Wammie ID: 20039259 Thu, Feb 22, 12:13 | It would be nice to have more stats and records kept. i would really like to know what the stats are for retired players. so we could have hall of fame inductees and stuff like that. do is like mlb, after 5 seasons, a guys can go in. then require a certain percentage of the owners to vote for a guy form him to go in. that would be pretty cool i think. the owners would also probably have to vote on which team he would go in as if you had guys like Dave Winfield this season who could go in for a number of teams. | |||||
| 239 | Timing ID: 590262414 Thu, Feb 22, 12:50 |
Maybe when the pay site rolls around we could all work on a site together. Each one of us could be assigned to the up keep of a different section of the website. That way no one or two people get hammered with having to do it all. We could do like one person to keep AL stats, one to keep NL stats, one to keep AL records, one to keep NL records, someone to hold award voting, one to keep a rumors/smack section, and so on and so on. | |||||
| 240 | Wammie ID: 20039259 Thu, Feb 22, 13:03 | it is still going to be the "web master" who gets hit with most of the work. but if doing web pages is some one's hobby, then that would be cool. | |||||
| 241 | Brock ID: 42542238 Thu, Feb 22, 13:04 | TB - I got royally hosed(not housed) in season 2 against the Scubs. My closer blew a 1 run lead in the bottom of the 9th in game 7. The following year, I had the second best record in the NL but the Giants had an awesome season to keep me out of the playoffs. I have my title so I can talk all the smack I want. That's a lot more than most can say. | |||||
| 242 | Whitey ID: 2543539 Thu, Feb 22, 13:07 | I'd rather say I was only in 2 WS instead of 4...I don't want to remember the 2 times I lost the series (damn you, TB) | |||||
| 243 | Wammie ID: 20039259 Thu, Feb 22, 13:26 | hosed and housed are totally different terms. hosed means you got fuched. housed means you just got your ass kicked. | |||||
| 244 | Whitey ID: 2543539 Thu, Feb 22, 13:28 | exactly...like when the Cards swept the Padres last season..Brock thought he got hosed, but he really got housed! | |||||
| 245 | Wammie ID: 20039259 Thu, Feb 22, 13:29 | You are correct Whitey! | |||||
| 246 | Timing ID: 590262414 Thu, Feb 22, 14:18 | DAMN!! The friggin Injuns finally protected Shad Williams. DAMN!! I seriously had an eagle eye on signing that dude. Friggin ONE day and he would have been a free agent. DAMN!!!!!!!!!! | |||||
| 247 | Wammie ID: 20039259 Thu, Feb 22, 14:20 |
I am sure you would have some serious competition for him. If there are any legit FA's they will probably go for very high. just like last season. | |||||
| 248 | Whitey ID: 2543539 Thu, Feb 22, 14:25 | I guess I'm lazy, I don't even look at other teams' free agents until after the World Series... | |||||
| 249 | Timing ID: 590262414 Thu, Feb 22, 14:39 |
I wish the Indians would have been a little more lazy. I don't think he noticed until he checked available free agents last night. DAMN! I know there would have been high bidding for Williams but I had a plan for that which I cannot divulge now! lol I have a $36 million payroll and $180 in the bank. I liked my chances pretty good. heheheh | |||||
| 250 | Wammie ID: 20039259 Thu, Feb 22, 14:43 | I look some seasons, but i didn't look last season or this season since I am not going to be making any bids. in the seasons that i wanted a free agent, it was good to know who you might be able to bid on. that did have some weight in a few trades that I made. | |||||
| 251 | Whitey ID: 2543539 Thu, Feb 22, 14:45 | Wammie - that is a big part of the reason I don't bother looking. It's gotten to the point where I don't even bid on the free agents because anybody worth a crap is going to go for 15-20 million. I can probably afford to bid high (bankroll ~75 million), but I choose not to. I have gotten my payroll down from 5.5M a week to 3.5M a week | |||||
| 252 | Wammie ID: 20039259 Thu, Feb 22, 15:15 | Timing though is willing to spend a lot of cash on a FA. I have spent lots of money on fa's too. that is fine. it is up to each owner. | |||||
| 253 | Brock ID: 42542238 Thu, Feb 22, 15:35 |
house (hous) n., pl. hous·es (hou'zĭz, -sĭz). (Abbr. ho.) A structure serving as a dwelling for one or more persons, especially for a family. A household or family. Something, such as a burrow or shell, that serves as a shelter or habitation for a wild animal. A dwelling for a group of people, such as students or members of a religious community, who live together as a unit: a sorority house. A building that functions as the primary shelter or location of something: a carriage house; the lion house at the zoo. A facility, such as a theater or restaurant, that provides entertainment or food for the public: a movie house; the specialty of the house. The audience or patrons of such an establishment: a full house. A commercial firm: a brokerage house. A publishing company: a house that specializes in cookbooks. A gambling casino. Slang. A house of prostitution. A residential college within a university. Often House. A legislative or deliberative assembly. The hall or chamber in which such an assembly meets. A quorum of such an assembly. Often House. A family line including ancestors and descendants, especially a royal or noble family: the House of Orange. One of the 12 parts into which the heavens are divided in astrology. The sign of the zodiac indicating the seat or station of a planet in the heavens. In this sense, also called mansion n.attributive. Often used to modify another noun: the house wine; house paint. v., housed, hous·ing, hous·es (houz). v.tr. To provide living quarters for; lodge: The cottage housed ten students. To shelter, keep, or store in or as if in a house: a library housing rare books. To contain; harbor. To fit into a socket or mortise. Nautical. To secure or stow safely. v.intr. To reside; dwell. To take shelter. idioms: like a house on fire or like a house afire Informal. In an extremely speedy manner: ran away like a house on fire; tickets that sold like a house afire. on the house At the expense of the establishment; free: food and drinks on the house. Hammie - I don't see any of your definitions mentioned. Just admit that you meant to write hosed when you screwed up and put housed. You screw up spelling and grammar all the time. We're used to it. | |||||
| 254 | Wammie ID: 20039259 Thu, Feb 22, 15:44 | Nope I mean housed. It is surely not proper grammar but a slang term. Whitey had heard of it before, so it is not that obscure. | |||||
| 255 | Whitey ID: 2543539 Fri, Feb 23, 09:21 |
Brock - thanks for the definition you tool!!! "house" can be used as a slang term meaning to destroy or defeat badly...there are many slang terms that you probably use as well. What about when someone refers to their home as a "crib"?? Is there a definition in the dictionary stating that "crib" can mean house (not the house I was referring to before, but house as in home). | |||||
| 256 | Brock ID: 42542238 Fri, Feb 23, 09:55 |
As a matter of fact there is. crib (krb) n. A bed with high sides for a young child or baby. A small building, usually with slatted sides, for storing corn. A rack or trough for fodder; a manger. A stall for cattle. A small, crude cottage or room. A framework to support or strengthen a mine or shaft. A wicker basket. What other lessons can I teach you my students? | |||||
| 257 | Whitey ID: 2543539 Fri, Feb 23, 09:59 | Yeah, but there really isn't any definition listed there to describe how the brothers would use the term "crib".. | |||||
| 258 | TB at work ID: 1311481612 Fri, Feb 23, 12:38 | Unless they lived in a small, crude cottage or room. They might also consider themselves babies or corn. I remember about 5-7 years ago it was all the rage for them to walk around sucking on baby binkys. | |||||
| 259 | Wammie ID: 20039259 Fri, Feb 23, 12:43 | if they lived in a cottage or room, yes. it is a crib, but a real house is not a crib. | |||||
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