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Subject: O2 Season 10 Posted by: blue hen - [27048221] Tue, Mar 06, 23:11 We are lazy. I am great. | ||||||
| 21 | TBRaiders ID: 26738619 Fri, Mar 09, 17:14 |
Well, I only have 5 hitters at 470 or higher but Kenna rarely plays (499 HR) and Brogna at 435 never has a great average but knocks in the runs(500 HR). My other guys are at 467, 467, 461, and 451. My two best hitters are two of my lowest ratings in Baines-467 and Reagan-451. Not much I can do except go change the line-up and vent my frustrations on some AAA guys that aren't developing anymore. | |||||
| 22 | Eric Freda ID: 397342118 Fri, Mar 09, 20:24 |
Too much emphasis on avg here. If I had a player with 499 HR I'd play him every game. In almost every other league I'm in guys like Gary Ingram (499 HR) hits 15-20 hr's a year and drives in 45-55 runs with his petty 350 or so avg. Just look at Tony Womack. He's near the top of the league in Hr's and Rbi's. Also take a look at Aaron Ledesma's career numbers 81 Hr's and 192 Rbi's (even though I cut him) with his paltry 303 avg rating. | |||||
| 23 | TBRaiders ID: 26738619 Fri, Mar 09, 22:32 |
Kenna started off strong last year but petered out. Laker and Hayes were playing well and there was no room for Kenna. O2 is my only league to sim today and it simmed about 4:30. Very frustrating. P2, I am in a pennant race and playing against another top team. Y2 is the first day of Free Agency and my low bids are all tops...lol. Z2, I am tied 2-2 in the WS and will be very upset if I get beaten by a much inferior team. Z2 is much like O2. Every year my team (Royals...but we'll say this would be the Rangers) battles it out with the Orioles(or we could call them the Indians). The winner between us usually wins the series. We had a good Dodgers owner (TGO) in there for a while. He actually won the NL's only two WS titles but he split after it was announced it was going to a pay site. An upstart Braves owner (Cards) has made some noise there the last couple years but hopefully I will put his 38-26 team back into its place with my 50-14 team. | |||||
| 24 | The Great One ID: 285352818 Sat, Mar 10, 12:18 |
Eric- You have a guy in the minors with 495 homers and you don't play him any games. Ledesma has great power numbers but he didn't exactly command a king's ranson this offseason. Womack's having a great season, as evidence by his .300+ average, so it isn't fair to hold him up yet. I will personally take a 490-350 guy over a 350-490 guy any day of the week. TB.....are you referring to someone else (TGO)? I was never in Z2, and if I was, I wouldn't have left yet. The Great One | |||||
| 25 | TBRaiders ID: 26738619 Sat, Mar 10, 13:27 | No, I was comparing the teams there to teams here. The Dodgers represented the NL in the Series every year except our first year and two of the last three (He's been in 6 of 9). The Orioles have won the most Series(4) so I was comparing them to Bean Dip. My team is the Royals and.....Well damn, I am Blue Hen. The biggest difference is that I just won my third World Series in Z2 and chicks dig me. | |||||
| 26 | The Great One ID: 285352818 Sat, Mar 10, 13:30 | LOL......cool, just making sure I didn't have a bunch of enemies in a league I'd never been in. I have enough enemies of the people that know me :) | |||||
| 27 | TBRaiders ID: 26738619 Sat, Mar 10, 16:31 |
I didn't know you had any enemies. It is obvious that you are one of the few managers in O2 that knows what he is doing. From your posts and emails I can see that you are intelligent. I forget if you told me you are The Elite One too, but I can see where some of your funny posts at GSB (if you are TEO) could rub a few the wrong way. Brian Koontz usually cracks me up too. I actually like reading his posts but every now and then he beats his point to death. I would love to get him and Blue Hen together with a case of beer and some baseball bats and see what happens. The only difference between the two is that Koontz thinks he is great and tries to convince others to agree with him. BH knows he is great and doesn't care who else wants to admit it. Just having a little fun Lipman. I know your great so I can tease some. TB | |||||
| 28 | The Great One ID: 285352818 Sat, Mar 10, 17:41 |
Yeah, I am TEO as well. Thanks for the compliment. I do have a few enemies, although most of them have never been in a league with me. I try to treat other owners with respect. Most of the people who dislike me are those who take themselves or the game too seriosly and/or have no sense of humor. The person I have gotten along with the least is Jenn from League F.....actually most of league F I find contemptable. As a whole, they take this game and themselves far too seriously. Jenn in particular had posted in the O3 board demanding that I stop harassing her, and has e-mailed people telling them that she can't stand me.....lol. I cried for weeks :) I couldn't stand Koontz at first, but if you don't take him seriously and don't share a league with him, he can be a riot. I like getting into it with him, as he can take a jab and is really good at debating issues, no matter how f***ed up his opinions may be...lol. TGO | |||||
| 29 | blue hen ID: 27048221 Sat, Mar 10, 20:13 |
I love this point-by-point crap. 1. Chicks do dig me. Unfortunately, I think more of that is due to my charm and good looks than my GSB ability... People can be so shallow. 2. TB, I am very flattered that in post 25, you likened yourself to me. Just don't let it get to your head. You still have a ways to go. 3. I really do hate Koontz. I was doing so well with the GRT and then he had to go and ruin it. As it is, I only had one true "GRT Gem" and that is Cody Ransom ("only" 475). But Koontzie also made the Commish stop pre-draft improvement, something that helped even more than the GRT (and also something I think should be reinstated). 4. I disagree with Eric on the high HR vs. high AVG thing. In fact, Eric probably disagrees with it too, and is trying to convince some sucker in our league to take Aaron Ledesma. Don't fall for it. Or if you want to fall for it, let me know, and I'll give you Juan Gonzalez. If after all that, you still need a high HR guy, talk to Eustacio (Red Sox). I bet you get Dan Ramirez (a very respectable 407-482-419 speed) a lot cheaper than Ledesma. | |||||
| 30 | Eustacio ID: 51729258 Sun, Mar 11, 09:36 | I'm around, just being quiet for once. I'm actually close to the Indians, so I'm keeping my mouth shut for now... | |||||
| 31 | Eric Freda ID: 397342118 Sun, Mar 11, 10:09 | I never said I prefer HR over Avg. Avg is the most important stat obviously. However, if you find your team lacking runs putting a guy with 460-499 Hr rating in you 4-5 slot in the lineup can provide your team with a LOT of runs as long as the guys in front of him can get on base. (As Womack is doing for me in O2 and Ingram's 499 HR does for me in several leagues I have him in) | |||||
| 32 | blue hen ID: 27048221 Sun, Mar 11, 16:19 | That said, Juan Gonzalez and Dan Meier are on the block. Inquire within... | |||||
| 33 | Eric Freda ID: 202068 Tue, Mar 13, 08:03 | Well you're sure as hell not getting Tal Light for them.... | |||||
| 34 | blue hen ID: 34937217 Tue, Mar 13, 14:20 |
Tal Light has 392 power. He's useless, obviously. The guys I offered had 478 and 463 power. How can you possibly turn down an offer like that? They would fit right into your lineup between Travis Lee and Aaron Ledesma. If your not happy with that deal, I'll just throw in Kurt Bierek after I pick him up off waivers. But you gotta throw in Nomar Garciaparra then. No way you're getting off that easily... | |||||
| 35 | Eric Freda ID: 202068 Tue, Mar 13, 14:56 | You're a putz. I said if a team is lacking in power they can use a high HR guy in the middle. I'm not lacking in anything and I'm in first place with a better record than yours...so shut up already. | |||||
| 36 | Eric Freda ID: 202068 Tue, Mar 13, 14:57 | Lee hit two homers in his first two games btw.. | |||||
| 37 | blue hen ID: 34937217 Tue, Mar 13, 17:30 |
I am not a putz. And you could not beat me up. I don't know any team that benefits from having a .181 average anywhere in the lineup. In my eyes, that defies baseball logic. But, obviously, GSB logic is quite different. That explains how teams with pitching staffs worse than my AAA team have the best ERA in baseball, I guess. I probably just have a lot to learn... | |||||
| 38 | Stick ID: 6001822 Tue, Mar 13, 22:11 | blue hen, don't you know that chicks dig the long ball!! Seriously, how did everyone do with the draft this season. Pretty easy pickings, it seems. | |||||
| 39 | Eric Freda ID: 397342118 Tue, Mar 13, 22:53 |
Wasn't a bad draft for me...wasn't great but not bad. Btw, Blue Hen, my 1-2-3 starters are about as good as they get in GSB so I don't know what you're whining about.... As for the low average guys..here's some classic examples of what I was talking about....I call it Garey Ingram syndrome... This guy I used on my F2 that just won the series...Note that he only played in 34 GAMES!! Garey Ingram 375-499-253 34 games, 15 HR, 44 RBI .227 AVG Also, on my U2 team, Ingram has 11 Hr's and 32 Rbi's as well with only a .190 AVG. He's also on the Padres in J2 with 13 Hr's and 37 Rbi's in 40 games while batting only .157. Also this guy is from my J2 team that is in the World series there that starts tomorrow... Kevin Polcovich 383-488-389 .186 avg, 12 HR, 40 RBI And last but not least..if Travis Lee (306-476-466) continued at his current pace over a 64 game stretch (of which seems ludicrous to even me of course), his projected numbers would be 42 Homeruns with 84 Rbi's while hitting only .167. Consider yourself enlightened...HR's can REALLY help a team score runs :) | |||||
| 40 | The Great One ID: 285352818 Wed, Mar 14, 05:12 |
I agree with Blue Hen about your pitching Eric. Based on what I know about ratings, I would take my dtaff over yours in a heartbeat, but you can't argue with results, and your staff has put up better numbers over the last three seasons, so I must be missing something. One thing you aren't factoring in when you are talking about low average, high power guys is that they end alot of innings and generally don't score alot of runs. They probably decrease the RBI's of the guy hitting behind them by 40% or so because they don't get on base much, and they can be rally killers, so their RBI numbers may be slightly inflated. | |||||
| 41 | Eric Freda ID: 397342118 Wed, Mar 14, 09:23 |
Take my lineup for example..I have 4 really strong average guys at the top followed by a mid level avg with strong power (this usually accounts for 1-3 runs per game by itself) and then I space out two 469 guys between Lee and Ledesma. If one of them strikes out there is still a decent AVG hitter coming up next (if there isn't 3 outs already). If they hit the longball it usually means 2-3 runs. My staff can usually keep scores down so 2 extra runs usually means the game for me. It's been working for me in J2 so I figured I'd give it a whirl here in O2. Nothing is perfect but it certainly is logical to assume that if 2 homerun hitters give you 3-5 runs a series between them you should win at least 1 more game than you normally would if your pitching staff is decent enough. | |||||
| 42 | The Great One ID: 145412810 Wed, Mar 14, 09:29 | Well I've used the high average throughout the lineup philosophy, and it's always treated me well. I'm consistantly at the top or near the top of every league I am in in runs scored. | |||||
| 43 | Stick ID: 01139139 Wed, Mar 14, 09:50 | I've got to agree with blue hen and The Great One on this avg vs. hr argument. Overall team production is I think more influenced by OBP than SLG in GSB, because of the lower % of HR/AB in this game than in actual MLB. I've been going after guys with higher AVG and speed (which probably doesn't help at all, but it is pretty to look at) rather than HR types. | |||||
| 44 | The Great One ID: 145412810 Wed, Mar 14, 10:13 | My experience with it is that it is easier to get shut down against a good pitching staff with low average/ high homer guys. You see alot of win 15-2 against a bad team, lose 2-0 against a good one type of stuff | |||||
| 45 | Eric Freda ID: 397342118 Wed, Mar 14, 13:49 |
Once again, I never said HR was close to as good as avg. I simply would use a guy with stats like Travis Lee's before I'd use Kurt Bierk (454 avg, nothing else) Ledesma's career stats simply are too good to ignore though even if he's not doing much for me yet this year. Also, speed is quite useful if you ask me. Look at the league leaders in runs scored in almost any league. The top guys almost always have 400+ speed. The name of the game is still scoring runs as far as I'm concerned. At least this discussion is bringing O2 back to life :) | |||||
| 46 | blue hen ID: 34937217 Wed, Mar 14, 16:08 |
Wow, it looks like we are having an actual, statistic discussion instead of just trash-talking. We all know I'm the best, so I guess there isn't much need for trash talking. But I will also do my best to contribute to the statistical portion of the discussion. I think we've pretty much saturated the HR/AVG bit. A main factor we didn't get to yet is outs. When a slugger gets out, that counts against his team, obviously. While it would be nice to have Travis Lee hit a home run when he comes up with two men on, he will make an out four out of every five times. That is a .200 batting average, somewhat higher than expected from Lee and Ledesma. If there is someone on base, I'd prefer to have a high average player coming to bat (that's why I put Myers and Hoiles right next to each other). Chances are the second guy will get on base too. In your rally, chances are that two sluggers will both bat, and chances are even greater that at least one will make an out. This completely kills chances for big innings. Eric has had success with it this year (good for him!) but overall, his big innings (and thus his wins) will diminish as the stats return to their norms. As for Ledesma's career stats: 1. A .181 average or so is NOT anything to brag about, even if he hits 50 homers. 2. GSB, unlike MLB, is not about career stats. If a guy goes 5 for 5 one game, his odds are actually worse in the next game, since he will approach the norm established by his AVG rating. There are no streaky hitters in GSB and career stats mean a lot less than they do in real life. "My 1-2-3 starters are about as good as they get in GSB" - I have to comment on this. Pavlas (464-386-389-493-1732, 3.76) is good, although his 333 stamina hurts. He is averaging less than 6 innings a game. Is he really 2.06 better than Norton (480-379-396-466-1721, 5.82) Shipp (458-476-356-376-1666) - 2.11 Patrick (481-497-397-359-1734) - 4.35 Clearly, Shipp is getting lucky here. Or Patrick is getting unlucky. And don't tell me that the control is causing that 2.24 difference because Patrick only has 2 more walks. Pena (438-330-455-429-1652, 2.25) vs. Harris (467-416-339-464-1686, 3.27). In my eyes, that's a mismatch. Once again, Pena has gotten lucky to the tune of a 1.02 difference. Without even matching up Glauber and Bautista, I think it's safe to say that top 3 are a bit better than your top 3. And I know for a fact that there are 3 other rotations out there better than mine. So I would like to disagree with your assessment of your top 3. That's all for now... | |||||
| 47 | The Great One ID: 285352818 Wed, Mar 14, 17:56 |
BH.....I disagree where you said that if a player goes 5 for 5 one game that odds are that he will do worse the next game. The sim obviously takes each at-bat seperately and does not take past occurances into effect. While the law of averages says that over a long period of time, a player is more likely to be hitting at a pace closer to his rating, it is not something programmed into the sim. For instance....say a 450 in average equates to approximately a .250 average........if this player gets hits (somehow) in 20 straight at-bats, his odds of getting a hit in his 21st at bat are 25%, not less because he was hot before that and the sim wants to bring him down. Also, I really don't want to get into a 1-2-3 starter discussion here as Rangel, Pulsipher and Downs are all in the top 10 in career ERA in the NL. | |||||
| 48 | Eric Freda ID: 397342118 Wed, Mar 14, 18:05 |
Ok, here goes.....first off I took 3 of 4 from Blue Hen...AND his big mouth.. Lee hit two more homeruns against BH's 'stellar' pitching.... My SP's have been in the top 3 ERA-wise in the last three years so I must be doing "Something" right. As for what I'm doing right..that's none of your business..I don't give my thoughts away like Koontz.... Great One still made up ground on me so it's looking like a tasty pennant race which is EXACTLY the way I like it.... BTW, good luck the rest of the way..we'll all need it against Bean Dip.. | |||||
| 49 | The Great One ID: 285352818 Wed, Mar 14, 18:28 |
Rangel 3.72 lifetime ERA Downs 3.62 Pulsipher 3.08 Pena 3.55 Shipp 4.07 Pavlas 4.63 Your staff is having a better season somehow, but there is no way your 1-2-3 is as good as mine. Well BH couldn't help me out, so it looks like I have to take care of things myself. Beware Eric, you are facing the hottest team in the league. The Braves have won 21 of their last 24. You are travelling to Fulton-County, where the home team is an amazing 21-3. The fans will be pounding your players' hotel room doors all night. They will be scared out of their trees. They've never experienced a warzone like this. The fans are bringing two things to the games.....a tomahawk and a broom. Watch out! It's midnight Cinderella, so you better ride that pumpkin back to St Louis. Get ready!!!!!!! | |||||
| 50 | Eric Freda ID: 397342118 Wed, Mar 14, 19:39 |
One thing I've noticed in almost all the leagues I've been in is this... Players don't always perform up to their potential until they are several years into their careers. As you'll recall G.O, when I traded you Downs (With Aaron Myette for Pena and Shipp) he had terrible career numbers. I've noticed in most leagues that just because a pitcher has good stats doesn't mean he'll perform well right out of AAA. I've also noticed that a lot of pitchers play bad for one team and then when traded perform quite well for another (as Downs did for you for example) This could all be an oddity but methinks it could have something to do with the way things go in GSB. If so, this seems like a good bit of reality put into a sim....but then again I'm not complaining... Oh, by all means...BRING IT ON!!! | |||||
| 51 | The Great One ID: 285352818 Wed, Mar 14, 19:52 |
I think it's just random when players will have good years or bad years. Downs got killed for me last season, and Rangel's got an ERA over 5 this year. Once the ratings are fully developed, I don't think (although I'm obviously not sure) it matters where in their career they are in term of years. Consider it brought! Be careful what you ask for..... | |||||
| 52 | The Great One ID: 285352818 Sat, Mar 17, 09:29 | Damn, it's been quiet in here | |||||
| 53 | blue hen ID: 27048221 Sat, Mar 17, 19:25 | The $50 I paid for GSB kept me from upgrading my ISP connection. So I can't get in here as easily. | |||||
| 54 | blue hen ID: 27048221 Sun, Mar 18, 12:19 | I'm going to draft my note to the Commish. It looks like there's 4 for sure (Stick, Eustacio, Eric, me) so we can all get into a 4 team division (or 5 if we get the O's, Mets, or a random team). Is that what everyone wants? Let me know. | |||||
| 55 | Eric Freda ID: 397342118 Sun, Mar 18, 17:20 | Fine by me. Or at least in the same league. | |||||
| 56 | Stick ID: 6001822 Sun, Mar 18, 22:23 | Sounds like a plan. Count me in. | |||||
| 57 | Eustacio ID: 46031718 Tue, Mar 20, 09:23 | BH, I don't have the cash to keep this team right now. I sent in a 6-month plan for a different team in which most of the division is staying. | |||||
| 58 | Eric Freda ID: 397342118 Sun, Mar 25, 10:29 | Too low are we.... | |||||
| 59 | Eric Freda ID: 202068 Wed, Mar 28, 10:28 |
Great One needs one more game to dethrone the almighty Bean Dip. Can he do it? | |||||
| 60 | Eric Freda ID: 202068 Thu, Mar 29, 09:05 | Yep and he did...good show.. | |||||
| 61 | Eric Freda ID: 202068 Tue, Apr 10, 13:23 | Anyone still around? | |||||
| 62 | blue hen ID: 34937217 Wed, Apr 11, 13:20 | Yeah. I got sent Eustacio's team info. He's Toronto in League A. Silly commish. | |||||
| 63 | Eric Freda ID: 202068 Wed, Apr 11, 14:20 |
I'm St. Louis in league H now... | |||||
| 64 | Stick ID: 73151117 Wed, Apr 11, 17:15 | I got Pitts in League H for my O2 team and Anaheim in League A for my other team. I haven't heard anything about my new draft team login. Anybody else doing a draft? | |||||
| 65 | Stick ID: 73151117 Wed, Apr 11, 17:32 | Scratch that note about the draft league. Just got the note that the draft login will be forthcoming. Looks like we're getting ready to play. Good luck. | |||||
| 66 | Eustacio ID: 312262117 Wed, Apr 11, 17:46 | You got my team info? Odd, seeing as I only signed up one team (and it wasn't O2). | |||||
| 67 | blue hen ID: 34937217 Wed, Apr 11, 19:04 | He sent me the wrong info, but the right team. I'm the Blue Jays in A. Stick appears to be the Pirates and there's an Eric that's the Rangers. The team's basically the same, except some names Buzz Young has a little more zing than Brian Tollberg. Glauber, Harris, Norton, and Patrick all kept their names. | |||||
| 68 | Eric Freda ID: 397342118 Wed, Apr 11, 21:02 |
I'm in one draft league as well. I also have other teams in: C (Seattle) My Old C3 Royals I (Arizona) My Old F2 Indians G (Los Angeles) My Old D2 Dodgers All three of these teams are stacked with MLB and minor league talent much more so than my Cards but all should be good. We should keep an old O2 board going for old time discussions... Good luck in your new leagues.. | |||||
| 69 | Eric Freda ID: 397342118 Wed, Apr 11, 21:43 | I now have a pitcher named Pussy Franklin..ouch | |||||
| 70 | blue hen ID: 34937217 Thu, Apr 12, 17:50 | I guess he couldn't keep us together. He did take some of my cooler names. No more Nick Johnson or Miguel Tejada. Say hello to Ed Webb. Also, all these teams seem pretty stacked. Every team have at least one outfielder over 490 avg, and some have two or three. And there are some fantastic pitchers out there. Even better than Darryl Scott, if you can imagine such a thing. | |||||
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