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Subject: L2 Season 11 - The Final Frontier Posted by: skinneej - [22235410] Fri, Mar 23, 21:07 This will definitely be the last season for L2, as we should be placed into the merger league within the next week or two. Season 10 was a good season, mainly because my Royals were able to beat the perennial champion Chicago Cubs for my second title in six tries. I really had low expectations for the team because I felt it was my worst team in years. Go figure. We might make it to the draft, but several teams have joined the last few days, and we'll have to see if any of them rank their drafts. I'm guessing few will, however. The offseason was interesting. After last years Tino Martinez "scandal" (sic) I found it odd that several players were signed to high one year deals. It appears on the surface that some teams might be confused as none of those players fell into the same category as Martinez. Upon further review, the Yanks signed several of these players probably because they are not taking this team into the merger. I guess they were hoping to keep those players from other teams, since it is doubtful we will finish this season. I'll reserve judgement on this action for now. Well, as we are awaiting the merger there are some valid questions regarding player's ages and years played that have been asked (but I don't think the Commish has answered them yet). Since we are beginning a new season, if a player turns a year older and then a "new" season is begun when the merger takes place, does that player lose part of a year or will it be reset? The same goes for years played. It is wise to hold good AAA players back since there is no real reason to bring them up unless they will turn 30 early in the season. I guess it's just a waiting game for now. | ||||||
| 1 | skinneej ID: 22235410 Fri, Mar 23, 22:21 |
Here is the updated L2 WS history. Wish I had a better winning pct.! Season 1 : Mariners Defeat Braves Season 2 : Cardinals Defeat Mariners Season 3 : Royals Defeat Cubs Season 4 : Cubs Defeat Royals Season 5 : Cubs Defeat Yankees Season 6 : Yankees Defeat Cubs Season 7 : Dodgers Defeat Royals Season 8 : Cubs Defeat Royals Season 9 : Cubs Defeat Royals Season 10: Royals Defeat Cubs | |||||
| 2 | Sanfran ID: 4222279 Sat, Mar 24, 16:46 | Skinneej - What team are you bringing into the merger? have you paid? and do you mind getting the reds? | |||||
| 3 | skinneej ID: 22235410 Sat, Mar 24, 17:57 | SanFran, in regard to the P2/R2/M2 merger league, I will bring my W2 Astros if I am selected to join you. I have already paid and the Reds are fine with me. | |||||
| 4 | Sanfran ID: 4222279 Sat, Mar 24, 17:58 | OK your in, welcome | |||||
| 5 | Coglin ID: 28592321 Sun, Mar 25, 18:43 | Boy wasn't that an expensive sim for the Cubs | |||||
| 6 | skinneej ID: 22235410 Sun, Mar 25, 19:12 | You guys really laid out the cash. I was a little more conservative this time, but was pretty happy with what I got. The price of the top guys has gotten so expensive, and since only 1 in 3 really turns out to be a star, I figured I'd save some money. I think my top bid was 7 million, which was "slightly" topped. I'm ready for this merger to happen so we can really get down to business. | |||||
| 7 | Put me in, Coach.... ID: 39416321 Sun, Mar 25, 19:39 | I have to be conservative because of all my FA signings. I only bid on 4 players with 5mil being the high. | |||||
| 8 | Synocco ID: 47250713 Sun, Mar 25, 20:49 | We really liked Brink because we see a future for him as a starter. I guess $16 million was a bit excessive given what you guys actually bid, but we were burned by being too conservative last year. If even 2 of those guys we picked up today turn out to be studs then I will be satisfied. | |||||
| 9 | MR MET ID: 42502520 Sun, Mar 25, 20:50 | Unbelievable...that is a lot of talent from the Northern League. I see quite a few potential stars...In C3 there were about 5 worthwile players. I think I over spent considering that cash is relatively tight with that team. Too bad I can't carry over the 185,000,000 million I have with my L2 Mets... | |||||
| 10 | Jay-P ID: 47132140 Sun, Mar 25, 21:00 |
Hey, sorry to intrude on you guys. I was just wondering for about how much talent would Mike Bell be worth from you guys to acquire him? (To those going forth in the merger league) He's a 29 year old SP, with numbers of 497-409-410-438, with a 25 million contract over 4 years. I am going to move him by the time the merger comes along, but was wondering about what the feelers from some of the new teams coming into the H2/L2 merger would be at. Just curious... | |||||
| 11 | MR MET ID: 112122521 Sun, Mar 25, 21:12 |
That is a front of the rotation pitcher ideally a number 2 starter but could work as a number one if need be. It really depends on what you were looking for. I always try to cater to what my trading partner needs and move from there. For argument sake, lets say you want prospects of any kind. I would probably let a top hitting prospect (4 star hr, 4 star avg) good pitching prospect (400+ fb 10 star total) and another 4 star avg (low other categories) That is about what I would be willing to spend for him. Forgive any spelling or punctuation mistakes here-I am really tired. I just hope it makes sense. | |||||
| 12 | Dave ID: 51141222 Sun, Mar 25, 21:32 | can't believe i totally forgot about the Northern League bidding, what with trying to sort out my payment and other stuff i forgot all about running the team (whoops). Oh well hopefully we will get the draft in and i'll get something their. | |||||
| 13 | Coglin ID: 28592321 Sun, Mar 25, 21:50 |
Hmm, I think Synocco and I are more than willing to try get Mike Bell II into our rotation. We are a couple of very aggressive traders and at times we are known to over pay for things we really want. My bet is that there will be a huge bidding war if a guy of Bells calibre is being offered. | |||||
| 14 | Jay-P ID: 47132140 Sun, Mar 25, 22:01 |
Hmmm... so a 485 AVG 1B, and 3 400-400-400-400 potential RP's would be nothing compared to what you would be willing to give up? I'm looking for a strong 1B, and maybe a decent young SP plus some pitching prospects to make the move. In H2, Bell is one of the best SP's in the league, competing with the Mark Gardners, Scott Downs' and Brian Carmody's at times for best in the league. | |||||
| 15 | MR MET ID: 482152614 Mon, Mar 26, 14:15 | A long time has passed since a trade has gone down in L2...I think we need the switch right now. | |||||
| 16 | Coglin ID: 28592321 Mon, Mar 26, 15:41 | Syn and I are always open or trades, the question is, who would make a trade now? | |||||
| 17 | MR MET ID: 62162616 Mon, Mar 26, 16:16 | Good point. Which is exactly my point...I loved the GSB where there was a point to trading. The new GSB can't come soon enough!! | |||||
| 18 | Put me in, Coach.... ID: 39416321 Mon, Mar 26, 16:52 | I have tried many attemps to trade but no buyers. | |||||
| 19 | skinneej ID: 22235410 Mon, Mar 26, 17:06 | I actually had one of the owners who just came into our division send me a trade offer. I declined it, not because it wasn't a good offer, but I didn't think it was in the best interest of our league since this team will not be going into the merger. Anybody else feel the same way, or would one of you be willing to trade with teams like this? | |||||
| 20 | Synocco ID: 47250713 Mon, Mar 26, 17:28 |
At this juncture, I think it would be in everyone's best interests if there was no trading with teams that aren't going into the merger since those teams won't even exist in a week (if all goes well). I wonder what the L2 White Sox are doing. He seems pretty oblivious to league happenings, though he acts as it he's sticking around. | |||||
| 21 | Put me in, Coach.... ID: 39416321 Tue, Mar 27, 04:25 | I say NO trades with any new team other than our "Great 8". | |||||
| 22 | Worm ID: 72592010 Tue, Mar 27, 11:02 | i dont know the whole story but that sounds really bogus of you do say that. | |||||
| 23 | Worm ID: 72592010 Tue, Mar 27, 11:05 | sorry guys i posted on the wrong board. that wasnt meant for this one. | |||||
| 24 | MR MET ID: 71392516 Tue, Mar 27, 17:40 | No prob. | |||||
| 25 | skinneej ID: 61472219 Fri, Mar 30, 04:01 | According to the Commish's new message, we will continue through next Friday which will be week 13. That means we will get to complete one last draft and get past the trade deadline. To add to the trade restrictions we imposed on ourselves, I would like to note that only 5 teams (Dodgers, Astros, Cubs, Orioles and Royals) are taking their current teams into the merger. Something that has come up in another league is where a manager who is not taking a team into a merger (but is taking another team from a different division) will trade a player to a team that is going into the merger with the agreement to make a return trade once the new league forms. Not that anyone is planning to do this, but maybe we should have some discussion on it so there is no problem. | |||||
| 26 | Damn Yankees ID: 22512417 Fri, Mar 30, 05:44 |
Hey Skinneegi, How do I get in on that? I have some really good young players on this Yankee team that I would love to transfer to my future Pirates team. | |||||
| 27 | skinneej ID: 22235410 Fri, Mar 30, 19:24 | My initial position is that we should not allow this, but I am open to discussion. I think the biggest problem is determining what constitutes a fair transfer. The team that is facilitating the transaction could get a better deal and not have to give up any players of value. I just think it opens up for potential misdeeds. | |||||
| 28 | Synocco ID: 47250713 Fri, Mar 30, 19:53 | I think this opens up a whole can of worms that we should avoid. Essentially, this is like trading with yourself, which has the potential for great abuse. | |||||
| 29 | Put me in, Coach.... ID: 39416321 Fri, Mar 30, 20:44 | I don't like it at all. | |||||
| 30 | Dave ID: 51141222 Fri, Mar 30, 21:48 | I agree this shouldn't be allowed. | |||||
| 31 | skinneej ID: 159241222 Fri, Mar 30, 22:57 | Good, then it is agreed and we should have no problems. Here is what I understand from the message last night regarding player's age and contracts. Player X was 29 years old in week 1 and had 0 years ML experience. He was brought up to the ML club because he would turn 30 in week 6 and you don't want him to decline in ratings. When we end this season in week 13 and are transfered to the merger league, the player's age will go back to what it was in week 1. I would think the Years Pro and ML service of all players would also revert to week 1, but that is not spelled out as clearly (and may not be the case in fact). A 29 year old rookie may return to his age at the start of the season, but then be a 2nd year player (thus making 300k) when the new league begins. For a player that is not under the rookie contract, the contract will count for this season. If a player has a 2 year 10 Million contract, then he would only have a 1 year 5 mil contract when the new league starts. If a player is currently a FA after this season and you do not re-sign him, then he probably disappears into the great beyond as I doubt they would transfer. Any other insights or comments? | |||||
| 32 | Damn Yankees ID: 23216316 Sat, Mar 31, 06:22 | Hey guys it was a joke. Trading players to be traded back is very much like the old trading free agents and trading them back thing we have been through. I think this waiting game is taking people's sense of humor away. Everybody just wants to get on with it. | |||||
| 33 | Coglin ID: 28592321 Sat, Mar 31, 09:36 |
Skineej: I thought contract for players were updated at the end of each year, so a player with 6 year deal should still have a 6 year deal in the merged league right? I could be wrong though:) | |||||
| 34 | Put me in, Coach.... ID: 39416321 Sat, Mar 31, 19:59 | Thats exactly what I was thinking too. | |||||
| 35 | MR MET ID: 2334116 Sun, Apr 01, 16:04 | Phew...just filled out my draft card so I could keep some top prospects out of your grubby hands...hope the Yanks did the same. | |||||
| 36 | MR MET ID: 27324117 Sun, Apr 01, 17:24 | Following Timing's lead, I think we should post some tradeable players/prospects once the pay site gets underway. Since not everyone in our merged league checks rotoguru, I am going to post it on the H2 board. This may be jumping the gun a bit, but I love to trade, and I am really anticipating April 11th... | |||||
| 37 | Put me in, Coach.... ID: 39416321 Tue, Apr 03, 05:02 | The METS had a solid draft while the YANKS had a weak one in my opinion. Somehow I got almost all ST and RP. I ranked alot of hitters high on my draft board But obviously my draft expert decided to pick pitchers only. Maybe he choked or was he a genius? | |||||
| 38 | MR MET ID: 1935635 Tue, Apr 03, 05:56 | Which teams are staying with us? I got a very interesting offer from the Cardinals... | |||||
| 39 | Damn Yankees ID: 23216316 Tue, Apr 03, 07:05 | Having very little reason to draft, I couldn't see spending the time ranking. I did go through each position and place the better players in draft slot 1, but I never ranked them. | |||||
| 40 | Synocco ID: 1634037 Tue, Apr 03, 07:43 |
Coglin and I stuck to our franchise philosophy of drafting hitters. Pitching prospects are so unpredictable. We thought we did really well this draft. The Cardinals are definitely not joining our merger. He's playing as if he is sticking around though. | |||||
| 41 | Coglin ID: 4235939 Tue, Apr 03, 10:02 | We have gotten a very interesting offer from the Cardinals as well. $55M for Mike Bell. As much as we wanted to do the deal, we decided that it would be against our morals to pull something like that;) | |||||
| 42 | MR MET ID: 13315316 Tue, Apr 03, 16:15 | Ditto. I got 60 million for Ryan Miller. | |||||
| 43 | Coglin ID: 28592321 Tue, Apr 03, 17:23 | Hmm.. now i'm insulted. Surely a Mike Bell is worth more than a Ryan Miller right? I guess Ryans contract is more ummm.. attractive;) | |||||
| 44 | skinneej ID: 22235410 Tue, Apr 03, 19:04 | If Miller is worth 60 mil, then I would take no less than 90 mil for Bell! | |||||
| 45 | Synocco ID: 47250713 Tue, Apr 03, 19:33 | Hmm... 90 million for Bell? I think it'll take us about 5 seasons to decide on that one. | |||||
| 46 | Put me in, Coach.... ID: 39416321 Tue, Apr 03, 22:04 | Hey.... I had no offers. I wanted to reject a 50mil dollar deal!!! | |||||
| 47 | Synocco ID: 47250713 Wed, Apr 04, 18:38 | Wow, a real L2 trade. I didn't think it was possible. :) | |||||
| 48 | skinneej ID: 22235410 Wed, Apr 04, 22:04 |
Yeah, Dave and I began working on it over a week a go, but getting ready for the baseball season took all my time so it got put off. I had to fill a few holes and he was looking for a young pitching prospect, so we were able to work something out. Two more nights until L2 is no more. One note to report, current KC manager Tony Muser will not be relocating with the team to Atlanta. Instead the team is expected to announce the hiring of current Brave manager Bobby Cox to stay and manage the new ball club. The current Braves franchise declared bankruptcy and had to cease operations a few seasons ago. A team full of replacement players left over from the last strike has been playing under the Braves name since, but the city is excited about getting a new ML franchise. | |||||
| 49 | MR MET ID: 5338615 Fri, Apr 06, 15:08 | GOOD LUCK TO ALL OF L2 IN THE MERGED LEAGUE!!! | |||||
| 50 | MR MET ID: 44337810 Sun, Apr 08, 10:37 | I don't know if you guys are still reading this board, but if you are take a look at L2 Season 4. I was looking over the boards because I can no longer access my team. Can't wait till Wednesday. | |||||
| 51 | Coglin ID: 28592321 Sun, Apr 08, 10:40 | ahh... season 4, thats when Cubs won our first WS:) | |||||
| 52 | MR MET ID: 36352810 Sun, Apr 08, 10:52 | Season 1 that was when I....lost. Season 2...lost. Season 3...lost. Season 4...lost. Season 5...lost. Season 6....lost. Season 7...lost. Season 8...lost. Season 9...lost. Season 10...lost. Season 11...losin. See a reoccuring trend here? | |||||
| 53 | Put me in, Coach.... ID: 39416321 Mon, Apr 09, 05:50 | And I have about 7 NLCS loses myself. I see 1 team responsible for that. | |||||
| 54 | Coglin ID: 12321910 Mon, Apr 09, 10:33 |
It seems that only 2 L2 teams are moving to the AL in the upcoming merger(I wonder why that is...). But Mr.Met's C3 team looks real tough and it might be another rivalry in the making. The prospect of scouting 30 organizations, 120 teams plus northern leagues is indeed a very exciting, if not time consuming. There are still some full time scouting positions left in our company, those who are interested please send your resume as well as a $50 processing fee to synocco. | |||||
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