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Subject: League E(lite): BATTLE of the Leagues!! Posted by: Timing - [34328713] Sun, Apr 22, 11:56 Will you two freaks quit talkin about flesh flutes and farm animals. Today is the all important battle of the leagues! The AL will rule as usual. | ||||||
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| 262 | Brock ID: 26328214 Tue, Apr 24, 14:59 |
FYI Go to the first thread for the E-lite league and check out post 44. There's where it was first discussed. | |||||
| 263 | Kyle ID: 223581021 Tue, Apr 24, 15:05 | Ok just gonna make a couple of points here. First of all, none of u can tell me u'd be willing to give up the #1 pick if u had it (and if u can, it's a lie). Also, the only reason I got into this league was so I could kick some Gurupie a$$. I have always hated Gurupies and will always continue to. | |||||
| 264 | J Sustainer ID: 50726110 Tue, Apr 24, 15:05 |
First Thread (for you lazier types) Brock even said we should use week 8 standings back then (April 11 - the first day the pay site became available!) | |||||
| 265 | Wammie ID: 20039259 Tue, Apr 24, 15:07 |
I agree Brock, San Fran has been pretty good with the whole thing. While he will take the 4th pick, he doesn't mind moving back to where he should pick, Sanfran, I hope I am not putting words in your mouth but that is what it seems like you have been saying) Timer and Kyle, no one except the commish is listening to them. | |||||
| 266 | Wammie ID: 20039259 Tue, Apr 24, 15:09 | Kyle, I had the number one pick before the randomness happened. When the NLers were before the ALers, and I said that as much as i would like to keep the 1st pick, I would go along with the majority and change the draft order. so I am the only one who can comment on post 263 and know for sure what some one would think. Sanfran even emailed me and told me i got screwed when the random draft happened. I told him that it wasn't that big of a deal, because i didn't deserve the top pick, and we were goign to go by record anyway. | |||||
| 267 | Buchster ID: 57324121 Tue, Apr 24, 15:12 | Kyle probably sucked off the Commish so that he would keep the draft the same. | |||||
| 268 | Sanfran ID: 4222279 Tue, Apr 24, 15:14 | I would love the 4th pick, but we voted and the majority wanted to go by record. The fact is the league wants to draft changed, and its not happing. | |||||
| 269 | Brock ID: 26328214 Tue, Apr 24, 15:15 | Kyle - did you swallow? | |||||
| 270 | Sanfran ID: 4222279 Tue, Apr 24, 15:19 | Maybe we should have changed to draft sooner, I can understand that part of the Commish's argument. We did discussd it but just tossed around ideas, i dont think any of us realized we coudn't change it on the fly. Also i don't think having no draft is a great idea too, i mean sure the better teams, myself included, woudnt get that high pick, but i have the depth to sustain no draft, not everyone does. | |||||
| 271 | Wammie ID: 20039259 Tue, Apr 24, 15:21 | Sanfran, did you mean to use the double negative to mean that you think no draft is a bad idea? i think that is what i got out of it, but i just want to be sure. | |||||
| 272 | Sanfran ID: 4222279 Tue, Apr 24, 15:25 | I meant that not having a draft is not a good idea. | |||||
| 273 | Buchster ID: 57324121 Tue, Apr 24, 15:28 | I'd have to say keep the draft and don't get rid off it for two reasons. #1- Average/bad players are better than no players at all. #2- I didn't waste my time ranking those piece of crap players for nothing. | |||||
| 274 | Timing ID: 34328713 Tue, Apr 24, 15:29 |
Brock you're a maroon. The first vote taken on this issue happened in the last few days. Just because you post something doesn't mean everyone agrees with it. I posted my own opinion way back BEFORE the season and yet a vote was not taken. It was NOT decided just because you posted it. Get a clue bonehead. | |||||
| 275 | Wammie ID: 20039259 Tue, Apr 24, 15:33 | -Maybe once TB makes a preview we can email the Commish the draft order that we want. No reason SanFran with his 4 twelve star prospects should be drafting ahead of some of these other teams. Maybe instead we should try to figure out how a team that claims to have been in 9 consecutive world series could possibly have 4 twelve star prospects. - a bigger moron. | |||||
| 276 | Timing ID: 34328713 Tue, Apr 24, 15:34 | The little bitch posse is in full effect today. The whining, the crying, and the bitching. I'm sure a cat fight will be breaking out any moment if these little ho's don't get their way. | |||||
| 277 | Timing ID: 34328713 Tue, Apr 24, 15:37 | Wammerho, if you had any brains or foresight you and your little band of bitches would have agreed to something then instead of crying about it 2 hours before the draft. | |||||
| 278 | Brock ID: 26328214 Tue, Apr 24, 15:39 | No vote was needed before the season. We decide things as we go, for the best of the league. The first season is somewhat of a test. You coming in with your bias opinion on this doesn't help. You and Kylie are the only ones complaing because you have a lot to lose, actually not lose because you should never have it in the first place. So far you haven't come up with a valid point for why it should stay the way that it is. Neither has your little sister. The bottom line is that we discussed changing it before the season, J said that his other league's was changed so there appeared to be no problem with changing it, we finally decided upon how we would do it and the commish is just to lazy to do it now. | |||||
| 279 | Brock ID: 26328214 Tue, Apr 24, 15:47 | Those last 2 posts are typical Timing. We have been making points for the last 3 days about the draft. Our views differ from his so he has to call us whiners and bitches. Every time Timing is proven wrong he breaks out with the same lines. It's so comical!!! It sure does make the day go by faster when we can all have a good laugh at Timing's expense. | |||||
| 280 | Timing ID: 34328713 Tue, Apr 24, 15:54 |
You have your own biased opinion. Everyone here has a biased opinion. Maybe you should look up the word bias. BPG is voting to change it because SanFran is in his division, Kyle wants to keep it because he's got the first pick. Neither of their votes are any less biased and neither of their votes mean any more than the other. Last I checked there were at least 5 managers opposed to changing the draft. The bottom line is that you don't run the league. You don't decide things for the league. Just because 2 or 3 of you agree on something before the season doesn't mean you have the right to ignore people's opinions in order to alter things that affect the entire league. | |||||
| 281 | Brock ID: 26328214 Tue, Apr 24, 15:57 |
That would be 15 people agreeing on something. I guess that's your version of "fuzzy math". bias - adj - To influence in a particular, typically unfair direction; prejudice. That fits Kylie and you perfectly. | |||||
| 282 | Big Poo Generator ID: 14857812 Tue, Apr 24, 16:12 |
I sent a long email to the commish. We'll see if it does any good. I have to take issue with the idea that everyone's opinion is equally justified on this issue. You may think that the only reason I want things changed is to keep sanfran down, but that's not the case. I would be for the switch even if my position and sanfran's were reversed. But even if you don't believe me about my personal reasons, there would still remain the objective reasons for the switch: it is fairer and in the best interests of the league, for reasons pointed out several times. The people who have rejected the switch have offered nothing in support of their view. Review the anti-switch posts above. All they say is "I'm against it," "quit trying to change things" "stop crying" etc. Those aren't reasons. | |||||
| 283 | WiddleAvi ID: 392232118 Tue, Apr 24, 16:13 | I also E-mailed the commish asking him to reconsider. If enough of us email him I think he may be pressured into doing it. Maybe he is just too lazy to do it !@!! | |||||
| 284 | Matt G ID: 35641319 Tue, Apr 24, 16:28 |
After todays debacle My brother kyle Is getting hit by a board with a nail in it. Then I will continue to eat my cupcake, and drink my milk. Am I biased because I think it is only fair that we change the draft, I don't have the #1 pick, but I pick 14th which is better than what I'd pick at 25th I believe, I still wish to change the draft. Not cause teams that have better records than I pick before me, but because it's the right thing to do. Who cares if it is a few hours before the draft, it's what's best for the league. Timing, Kyle please quit your bitching, it gets annoying, and I am getting a headache. Wipe your mangina's clean and get over the fact that the only reason you want your pick so high is because you don't know any other way to gain an advantage over the superior managers in this league. I look forward to whipping your ass on the field, 14th pick or not, I'll still win. | |||||
| 285 | Timing ID: 34328713 Tue, Apr 24, 16:39 |
I don't want it changed because it's a precedent that a few managers can get together to change things in midstream. You're changing things right in the middle of the season. If you're going to make a decision that affects the entire league then do it fairly and before the season starts. You are also rewarding teams twice for the same season. Someone up there said no, you're rewarding for the first half and the second half. What the hell the first half and second half are still in the first season aren't they? I wanted it changed to the preview before we knew which teams would come out hot and which teams would struggle but nobody wanted that and that's why we are where we are. I could care less what happens and I even said so yesterday. You people are all the ones scrambling to write emails and tripping over yourselves to cry about the draft. MattG, you of all people should check yourself. I've whipped your ass for YEARS so next time go get a pass from the principal if you need to talk to me. | |||||
| 286 | Matt G ID: 35641319 Tue, Apr 24, 16:54 |
Timing, Colleges/Universities don't have principles, they have deans jackass. As for whipping my ass, we'll see who represents the AL this year, won't be your team, I guaruntee that... "There's no crying in Baseball." I think Tom Hanks was talking to you and Kyle, Timing. | |||||
| 287 | Brock ID: 371582223 Tue, Apr 24, 16:55 | There he goes again. He's pouting once more. | |||||
| 288 | Matt G ID: 35641319 Tue, Apr 24, 16:59 |
Brock, leave him alone his mangina is wet. Mangina, its my new word, don't be surprised if it pops up on here every couple of posts by me. | |||||
| 289 | Timing ID: 34328713 Tue, Apr 24, 17:04 |
There are no deans in 3rd grade MattG. Like I SAID, go to the principals office after you get permission from your spelling teacher (guaruntee?)and then maybe I'll talk to you. BTW, you should be careful when making predictions, the last time you opened your big mouth you got embarrassed. | |||||
| 290 | WiddleAvi ID: 392232118 Tue, Apr 24, 17:35 |
I got this E-mail response from the commish: "The draft order will remain the way that is posted. I've read all the emails and even read the same arguments, with more colorful opinions of the draft and me, on the Guru board. The fact remains that a number of teams don't want the order switched and I don't think it would be fair to switch the order on them the day of the draft. I'll address the three most common arguments below, those are "League B changed their order", "Majority rules", and "Commish is too lazy". League B asked if they could determine their own order while the free site was running (mid-March). I gave them the okay then and they presented me with the order before the pay site was even running. So the owners knew going into the season how the draft order was going to be determined. No one from League E contacted me before this weekend -- days after a draft order had been posted on the board. League B created their draft order before the random one was made, League E did not. This is enough of a reason for me to treat the two leagues differently. "Majority rules" argument is not really applicable here because I did not ask for a vote or offer to make this change for the league. When I ask for input from a league (like I did with the new draft leagues on whether to delay their drafts) then I think that being in the majority has some significance. But the simple fact that a majority of owners have agreed amongst themselves to make a change in the game will only cause me to consider this change; I won't feel compelled to implement it. I do my best to implement the ideas and suggestions of the owners in this game but there will always remain some decisions that will be up to me, unless or until I ask for input on them. The regular season will remain at 18 weeks with 10 days per week regardless of the fact that some leagues might have a majority of owners who would prefer more weeks and fewer games per week. Needless to say, the site would still be free if I let a majority vote decide whether I should start requiring payment. I hope no one will misinterpret this as my saying that I don't care for your input, but the point is that there will always be some decisions which will ultimately be up to me. Majority votes on this issues will influence my decision but I not feel forced to follow the majority if I don't think it's right. As for laziness, I could have changed the draft order in less than half the time it has taken to write this email. I appreciate all the input from owners, I really enjoy seeing active leagues. I hope everyone can accept this decision and be ready to move on with the season." | |||||
| 291 | chizz1 Donor ID: 56620137 Tue, Apr 24, 17:38 | Did you guys see the email from the commish? I wish he would have addressed the only issue I care about, the issue of fairness. He wrote a lengthy email but did not mention the reason that the draft order should be changed. It was a nice gesture to write the email, but it did not hit the real issues if you ask me. I guess he is definitely not changing it though. | |||||
| 292 | Big Poo Generator ID: 57844423 Tue, Apr 24, 18:12 |
The email from the commish was disappointing. As chizz says, he didn't address the main reason to make the change. Basically he's saying that he'll do what he wants, and listen to us if he feels like it. That's not a very customer-friendly approach. It might make sense when talking about whether to make the site free or not, because clearly that's something that is his prerogative. It also makes sense that he wouldn't let leagues decide things like how long to make the season, because that would mean a lot more work for him. But this case is obviously different. The commish himself has no reason to prefer one draft order over another, it's only the members of the league that do. He said himself that he could make the change in a matter of minutes. Whether he "offered" to make the change is irrelevant. We're paying for this game and we asked him to make the change. He should comply with simple, well-reasoned requests, unless there is some reason to think they are unfair to someone. I am regretting paying for a lifetime subscription. This idea that changing the order would be unfair because it would happen "midstream" is crazy. Would it have an effect on anyone's strategy? Does anyone rate their draft differently depending on where they pick? Why would anyone do that? How could it possibly make a difference *when* the change is made? | |||||
| 293 | WiddleAvi ID: 392232118 Tue, Apr 24, 18:20 | I only signed up for 6 months and after this I am seriously considering not renewing when thats over. Like you said BPG, Basiclly the commish said I will do what I want when I want and it's my site....if you don't like it too bad. To compare it to whether the game is free or season legnth is apples and oranges. If he can change it as easy as he says and most of us want it then he should do it. It in no means effects the way the game is played and only served to improve the competition in our league. I am not happy with the response or the way it was told. | |||||
| 294 | Big Poo Generator ID: 57844423 Tue, Apr 24, 18:36 | I just sent a response to the commish. Clearly it's a losing battle at this point, and it's not the end of the world anyway, but his response has got me pissed off. | |||||
| 295 | worm ID: 263582418 Tue, Apr 24, 19:13 | 2 of 3 wammie, you aint shat!!! | |||||
| 296 | Matt G ID: 35641319 Tue, Apr 24, 22:53 |
1. Timing, simple miss-spellings, wow I am a friggen moron just because of one mistake. Whatever, it's because I would rather not waste my time bashing your petty ass. 2. Open mouth, insert foot. Good series Timing, I lost 2 because of my closers, your pitchers were great, hopefully I see you in the Playoffs. I can dish out the smack talk, but I will concede when I lose, like I hope most of you do. that email from the Commish was BS, I felt like he doesnt like us... | |||||
| 297 | Charles ID: 393332219 Wed, Apr 25, 00:06 |
I didn't necessarily agree with the decision made by the Commissioner and I think that it is a good point that the league mentality should change since this is no longer a free-site. I was in favor of changing the draft order, as I don't think a random order was the best approach to take. Additionally, I really didn't have much to gain from this change going from 15th to 10th, however, the balance of power will probably carry on now for 3-4 seasons and it came down to principal. Being a team in a rebuilding phase, I realize that I am going to get smacked around for a couple of seasons. Now, I just have to add another. I only paid for 6 seasons so that I could evaluate the new sim and if I wanted to continue. This is just another point to consider when the time comes. I am also not pleased with the amount of injuries that are occurring, as I am not abusing any of my positions. Without the depth of most teams, I can't sit my cleanup hitter for two games so that he doesn't get injured unless I start a career .170 hitter. And I have plenty of those..... With the majority of the prospects available through the past couple of drafts, the health of these players is really low. If this stat is used in the formula to determine injuries, I am going to ask the Commish to change my team name to 'Injuries R US' Whitey - No problem on the trash talk. I don't take offense that easily. :) | |||||
| 298 | Charles ID: 393332219 Wed, Apr 25, 00:13 | Also, I think the e-mail from the Commissioner was brash and unnecessary. He could have handled that in a more professional manner. The whole argument of how easy it was to implement the change to disprove his laziness.... This one leaves me puzzled. Was he proving that he wasn't lazy because he chose to write the e-mail instead??? | |||||
| 299 | Big Poo Generator ID: 57844423 Wed, Apr 25, 00:26 | I'm getting killed by injuries too. My setup and closer got injured the same week. It seems to me that pitchers get injured too easily and hitters not easily enough. But I do think it's better than the old way, where nobody ever got injured and if they did it was totally independent of playing time. | |||||
| 300 | TB ID: 44334240 Wed, Apr 25, 01:43 |
Just wanted to bump this sucker up to 300 before I crashed. Good day to be an A's fan. In real life and GSB. | |||||
| 301 | Vic Vega ID: 2248176 Wed, Apr 25, 12:00 |
Hey Charles, You think the e-mail from the Commish was "brash and unnecessary"? How do you feel about post 246 from Brock? Brash? Unnecessary? Both? | |||||
| 302 | Wammie ID: 20039259 Wed, Apr 25, 13:17 | Brock pays the commish, the commish doesn't pay Brock | |||||
| 303 | Charles ID: 243382412 Wed, Apr 25, 13:20 | Yes, that was also "brash and unnecessary." It is diffcult to get someone to do something for you when you resort to name calling. Perhaps a seperate e-mail should have been sent to address Brock instead and not individuals who didn't resort to such. I never said the Commish was lazy. Brock is obviously not the voice of representation. I just didn't understand the Commish's argument. If someone flat out pissed him off and that is why he didn't want to change it then say so. | |||||
| 304 | Charles ID: 243382412 Wed, Apr 25, 13:23 | Plus, I am paying. If the majority of paying customers want a change. Do you want the bigger market or the smaller one when it comes to having people renew thier subscription? | |||||
| 305 | worm ID: 423472511 Wed, Apr 25, 13:56 |
i thought the commish's email was rather comical. he made some valid points in it. brock knew the commish was going to read the boards that is why he posted it there. we were all going to see the email reguardless because it was posted on the boards by j i believe. i like the fact that the commish was pissed and he messed with the sim so i could beat wammie. maybe it'll happen again tonight. | |||||
| 306 | Whitey ID: 2543539 Wed, Apr 25, 14:14 | worm - why are you still posting in this thread, ya meathead? There is a new thread for league E that doesn't have 300+ posts in it... | |||||
| 307 | worm ID: 423472511 Wed, Apr 25, 14:18 | read above whitey. chuck, wammie, vic all did so i decided to follow suit. | |||||
| 308 | Whitey ID: 2543539 Wed, Apr 25, 14:20 | Just continue this in the other thread if you think it's even worth continuing | |||||
| 309 | worm ID: 423472511 Wed, Apr 25, 14:23 | why didnt you post that in the other one or email me? damn you are from NY arent you. every time you post here i am going to also. it is no big deal brownie. | |||||
| 310 | worm ID: 423472511 Wed, Apr 25, 14:37 |
hey whitey, made you look! ha ha ha ha | |||||
| 311 | TB ID: 1311481612 Wed, Apr 25, 17:15 |
LOL Worm. I made him and you look this time! | |||||
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