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Subject: Lg 4 How to recruit
Posted by: MattG
- [37722615] Sun, Feb 10, 2002, 20:46
Ok, I'm not exactly sure what I should be looking for while recruiting... I've found 3 intraconference guys that I'm going after, now I'm looking for some out of conference stud. I'm not sure what's good, it seem's like there are a ton of crap guys and only a few guys with EXE in more than one category. |
| 1 | MattG
ID: 37722615
Sun, Feb 10, 2002, 22:12
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Ok Im replying to my own message... but anyhow, I went through all conferences... Put 17 on 4 guys and hope for the best. My team won't be as good as last year, and it's gonna take a little for me to get good again or even ok, i got crap recruits and i have 3 graduating starters... we'll see... Did the rest of you guys get your recruits?
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| 2 | Raz
ID: 35949280
Sun, Feb 10, 2002, 22:29
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This will be my second season, so I am hardly the voice of experience, but do you realize that the first recruiting "week" ends after the third regular season game? That means you have a chance to see 5 high school games be played (and now possibly more thanks to the new feature) before you make your choice about recruits. I would recommend waiting until you've at least seen some games before making any recruiting decisions.
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| 3 | Raz
ID: 35949280
Sun, Feb 10, 2002, 23:02
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Since my conference (#6) seems to be non-existant on the SSB boards, I'll post a recruiting summary here.
My Recruits
Jesus Shuttlesworth, 6'10", Morgantown: He got game? Only time will tell. We won a 2/2 tie to nab this +3. He will get a shot at the starting center job, as our team last year was quite short, and his height automatically makes him a candidate to start.
Aaron Peters, 6'8", Rochester: My only sure thing heading into signing day, nobody was within 12 RPE of this +0 recruit. I must admit I expected better attributes. All season I was wondering why I was the only person recruiting this guy, but now I wonder if there was something everyone else knew that I didn't? He'll most likely be in a backup role this year, probably at PF.
Ralphp Lowery, 6'8", Camden: Despite being two RPE behind, I was still able to land this hometown +3 recruit. Pleasantly surprised by his attributes, I expect him to fight it out for the starting SF spot.
Recruits I Lost
Percy Sammons, 6'9", Cincinnati: Perhaps foolishly, we maxed out this phenom all year, hoping against chance to score an impact player early in the rebuilding process. Not only were we not able to lure him out of conference, but Percy wasn't even lured out of Cincinnati.
Deon Keen, 6'4", Carnegie: I lost a 3/3 tie for this guy. He and Shuttlesworth were my two top recruits behind Sammons, so as long as I landed one of them (which I did), I figured things wouldn't be too bad (which they aren't).
Summary
Overall, I think I did a pretty fair job on my first season of recruiting. I stayed away from receiving any walk-ons, and was able to significantly increase the size of my team. Hopefully, the rebuilding process is well underway. It's only a +6 class, but if I am to believe their HS stats, they hopefully should play much better than their attributes would indicate.
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| 4 | beastiemiked
ID: 14821921
Sun, Feb 10, 2002, 23:07
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Here's a few I follow. Not absolute but I've only gotten 1 walkon in 25+ recruiting classes.
First rule:
"Don't put points on guys until after the 2nd regular season game"
This is so you can get a look at their stats to see if they are going to be as good as thier ratings and to find some sleepers.
Second rule:
"Stay in conf if possible and recruit all in conf studs"
I've won very few out of conference ties, and every stud I've gotten has been from an in conf high school.
There are more, I'll add them tomorrow night. Got to study.
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| 5 | VIDevilRays
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ID: 22046168
Mon, Feb 11, 2002, 08:57
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Fared pretty well considering I really screwed up my first recruiting. Snared two plus 4's and a minus 1 walk on. CPU has totally changed my line up so I'm trying to figure out what that means. Since it has taken a third-team all conference player out of my line up I hope its a mistake!!
As far as recruiting I agree with bmd. I also believe that you have to recruit more to fill in the gaps and needs on your team rather than go all out for studs. You just will not win enough ties to make up for the walk ons that will screw you. You still may end up with ties, but I believe less of them than by maxing all studs.
That's my limited take, considering I'm new to this. Would like to hear more opinions. Grats to Terre Haute and San Jose for what look like stellar recruiting classes.
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| 6 | The Beezer
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ID: 191202817
Mon, Feb 11, 2002, 09:47
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MattG, if you want to wait on some more games like others have suggested above (and which I would suggest as well), you can do a "Delete Actions" on each of your recruits, which will cancel the RPE spending.
bmd's rules are pretty much what I follow as well. I would also add the following:
Third rule:
"Learn how to find good sleepers."
It takes some time to find the "feel" for when a guy will be a good sleeper, but here are some tips:
- Certain attributes tend to attract more attention than others. In general, any Exc attribute in the scout will generally attract a max or 2 unless the guy is just awful. Also, 7-footers are almost a guaranteed max regardless of how bad they are.
- A good sleeper is a player that either plays one role really well (i.e. ace rebounder/defender) or is solid but unspectacular. Again, it takes practice to be able to feel when a guy can be had cheap.
Fourth rule:
"Get clear on at least 3 sleepers."
Building a safety net of sleepers is essential, because some years you won't win any ties. Ideally you should have a lead on at least 3 recruits, because the more you lead on, the more chances you have to land an unexpected stud.
To do this, don't spend all of your points every week starting out. When W3/W12s come out and it's time to really start going after sleepers, you want to be able to get leads on them ASAP, and the best way to do that is to have spare points or even spare visits lying around.
Fifth rule:
"Stay in conf if possible and recruit all in conf studs"
It's important enough to mention again. Recruiting the in-conference studs also helps you by making it more difficult for your conference foes to get great players.
Sixth rule:
"Flexibility is very underrated"
Players that can play 2-3 positions are valuable, because they can help you better withstand injuries, and can fill in the gaps for when you graduate starters. A 6'7" guy with no poors in his attributes and a good/exc ath skill can often play 3, 4, or even 5 positions on the floor. This allows you to exploit matchups for your good players by matching them up with weak defenders.
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Looks like we had some good classes nabbed; congrats to everyone who improved. I think we filled our needs and should be able to get back to the NTT, but another Elite 8 run will be difficult.
As far as this season goes, I'll be compiling my spreadsheet of all the recruits sometime next weekend. I don't have anywhere to host it - if someone does that wouldn't mind hosting it and linking to it from here or posting the link in the chatroom, let me know and I'll email it to you when it's ready.
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| 7 | Flying Polack
ID: 2412291
Mon, Feb 11, 2002, 10:05
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I've very happy with my recruiting class. I landed a +6 PG, +2 PF/C, and +1 PF/C. I was ranked 22nd by one of the recruiting magazines. I was hoping to get a PF/C who was good/exec in defense and rebounding. Both of my guys are good defense, but fair rebounding. That was my only disappointment, so I can't complain too much.
Since this was my first time recruiting I really had no idea what i was doing. I lucked into the class, I got the +6 kid with 102 RPE's. I started recruiting him in week 4.
My strategy this time will be to recruit mostly in conference. I'm thinking 14/6 or 13/7. This past class I was probably 6/14, and I wasted a lot of RPE's on guys from other conferences who were maxed.
I haven't decided if I'll max 3 or 4 guys. It probably depends on the # of studs in my conference. I doubt I'll max someone from another conference. Last time I started out maxing 3, 2 in-conference and 1 outside. I ended up dropping the outside guy after week 3. I didn't think I had a chance with him. I'm going to try not to make that mistake again.
VIDevilRays- the computer really changed my roster as well. Last year my SG was leading scorer in my league and 2nd Team all conference. The have him playing b-PG. I couldn't quite figure that out.
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| 8 | Flying Polack
ID: 2412291
Mon, Feb 11, 2002, 10:09
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Beezer- If I don't use all 83 RPE's in a week do they carry over? I thought you could only carryover visits.
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| 9 | The Beezer
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ID: 191202817
Mon, Feb 11, 2002, 10:29
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FP - RPEs carry over if you don't use them. Otherwise the carryover visits wouldn't do you any good.
As far as the computer lineups go, they can pretty safely be ignored. Although I am encouraged when I see a player that doesn't rate that well slotted into a starting spot. If the computer starts someone you don't think is any good, you may want to give them some extra minutes in the preseason to see if it's BS or not.
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| 10 | VIDevilRays
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ID: 22046168
Mon, Feb 11, 2002, 13:07
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Yes FP-interesting isn't it? Anyway, because of my recruiting the CPU kinda makes sense. A guy I was trying at PG, a plus 5, leaves me no size at PF, so the computer sticking him at bPF makes sense. Wanted to get him somehow on the floor more but I think I will leave him there and maybe sub him in more. Tried him other places and he just did not cut it. Will go with my recruit at PG for now.
Beezer-wanted to know how you had Dameron (Frankfurt) and Dennis (Columbus) rated. Those were my plus 4s.
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| 11 | VIDevilRays
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ID: 22046168
Mon, Feb 11, 2002, 13:08
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And of course I will place my 2nd team all-conference guy back out there!!!
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| 12 | MattG
ID: 37722615
Mon, Feb 11, 2002, 13:09
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Ok here's my thing here.
Last year I got in a week late on 3 guys. I was able to max out a guy who looked like a sleeper but turned out to be nothing. The other two were walkons who will do nothing but backup roles.
This year I started early, last night... I went through every conference looking for attributes and such and I found 4 guys who would fit nicely on my squad. The first was a 7'3" monster from in conference that I'm going to max to the end, can't beat height so thats that. The other three were 6-8 and 6-7 guys that I can play anywere from PF - SG and possibly center considering I have a 6-9 guy there now. I got them cause the 2 in conf guys were +2 and +3 and the best this conf had to offer, the last guy I'm after is a +6 Sf/SG from out of conference. If I get 2 of these guys i'll be happy, im just gonna max until i have no points. I never really understood some of those recruiting theories, i just know i like getting those extra 15 points on each to put me over the edge...
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| 13 | The Beezer
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ID: 191202817
Mon, Feb 11, 2002, 13:30
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Dameron - 131st
Dennis - 30th
Quite impressive VID. Maybe I should be asking you for recruiting help!
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| 14 | Flying Polack
ID: 2412291
Mon, Feb 11, 2002, 14:49
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Is there any way to see the stats from Last Year's Seniors? I forget to put 'em in Excel before the year ended.
Thanks.
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| 15 | blue hen, almighty
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ID: 34937217
Mon, Feb 11, 2002, 16:46
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Beezer,
Where did you rate my three guys: Fortwengler, Bristol, and Kiplinger. Plus Jason Burch who I was alone on and didn't need.
Incidentally, the one thing no one's mentioned is: Don't sell yourself short. I got my top three guys this time and had an unranked class. So while I'm happy with the class, I feel it could have been better. Specifically, I dropped out on this Kristopher East stud, and I think I might have had a decent chance to get him, or at least as good a chance as I'd ever have on an OOC stud. As it turns out, I got my other three maxes, so I didn't even need the safety net I'd built.
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| 16 | The Beezer
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ID: 191202817
Mon, Feb 11, 2002, 17:44
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bh,
I created a separate thread for the recruit rankings, so your players' ratings can be viewed there. Burch rated #346.
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| 17 | beastiemiked
ID: 14821921
Mon, Feb 11, 2002, 21:11
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Beezer basically summed up what I was going to add. I never recruit 7 footers unless they are in conf, they are alway over recruited and are overrated as far as how much they dominate. If you want a good center that won't be heavily recruited go for a 6-9 or 6-10 that is at least a G or better rebounder and can either play good defense or is a G ath. If they have a poor sht don't worry about, normally poor sht's attract very few people even if the rest of the stats are good.
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| 18 | blue hen, almighty
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ID: 27048221
Wed, Feb 13, 2002, 03:23
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Agreed. RECRUIT ALL IN CONFERENCE STUDS. This one team in lg 5 always manages to land in conference studs, and he dominates. I've recruited well out of conference there but it'd be better if I'd taken a guy or two from him.
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| 19 | Eat Acid
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ID: 5610321618
Wed, Feb 13, 2002, 07:44
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Can I get a link to this site?
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| 20 | blue hen, almighty
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ID: 34937217
Wed, Feb 13, 2002, 09:12
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www.simulatedsports.net/bask
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