| 0 |
Subject: Sim. Sports Horse Racing -- Week 1306
Posted by: Toral
- Sustainer [2111201313] Thu, Feb 14, 2002, 18:14
cab: CAB,CAB31,PEPE31,BACUP,CAB35
Madman: Madman999, madman3, madman4, rotciv
St L Cards: stlcards, stlcards1, stlcards2, stlcards3, devil01
Toral: toral, larot, toral2, toral6
Here is Mike's latest change, if you missed it on the message board (and so we can bring it up again once that thread, "A Few Notes", disappears):
"As has been noticed, the minimum bid price on certain races were raised. This should re-open some of the "tightening" of races that has happened recently. I know the (T)'s were a major problem, but I am targeting some of the other "overly restrictive" races as well. I may pull back on some of these eventually, but I need to see how this (along with my other changes mentioned below) affects race fields.
In mid-march, I will be handing out the "begining of year" credits. You will be given 15 credits for each week you have been active in the game, up to 750 credits. As many experience players will note, this is a major increase from last year.
I am also going to tweak the points that can be earned in races upward a little more over the next week. My goal is to add an additional 7-12 points to each race run per week. The reason is that I feel it necessary to implement the following change (which will hopefully work in collaboration with the first to make claim races a more viable option again) :
One concern I have been aware of for a while is the recycling of claim horses. It has become nearly impossible to run any horse for a low tag; not because they are "too good" for their claim price, but because they are almost always immediately bred over (especially with the lowering of the cost ofr the low end horses). To combat this problem, I will be initaiting the following rule to breeding starting the week of 1327 (meaning the Sunday after races for week 1320 are run) :
The cost to breed over a horse will depend on how many races it has run and how many races it has won.
If a horse has run 10 or less races, it will cost 50 points to breed over it
If a horse has run between 11-20 races, it will cost 30 points to breed over it.
If a horse has run between 21-30 races, it will cost 10 points to breed over top of it
If a horse has run 40 or less races, it will cost an additional 5 points for every win the horse has to breed over top of it
If a horse has run between 41-80 races, it will cost 3 points per win instead of 5
If a horse has run 81 or more races, there is no charge to breed over it.
Even though this sounds steep, it should actually give people more points over an extended period of time. This will also hopefully keep some of our mid-stock horses that have proven worthwhile around a bit longer. It should also keep "claiming simply to breed over" more in check.
As always, thanks for playing!
--Mike"
|
| 1 | Toral
Sustainer
ID: 2111201313
Thu, Feb 14, 2002, 18:59
|
What do these changes mean for the game? Some quick speculation:
1. Bargain breeds become less attractive. First everybody in the sim for a year is getting enough credits to breed a decent horse right off the top. That's one more 2-year-old per stable, and the number of 2-year-olds most people want is limited. (I had been assuming that there was to be no per capita breeding bonus this year). And the homebred that you managed to get for 49 now costs maybe 79 or 84, with a bit of work going into finding an appropriate horse to breed over to keep that cost down. The heavily raced $1 specials in the auction now become, what, $10,000 specials? The 15-point bargain breeds may not be worth the bother with the breedover cost.
2. Mid-level broodmare breeding becomes much less attractive if the rule applies to mares used in breeding. Mike's comments are unclear as to that; he was asked the question on the MB, and has posted since but not answered. My Seattle Rat, if showing some ability, is worth using for 50 points. For 105, not, unless she becomes a star.
3. The 7-12 points to be added to every race makes allowances a little more attractive as against claimers, offsetting a bit the big carry-over bonuses to be shot for in claimers.
Toral
|
| 2 | Toral
Sustainer
ID: 2111201313
Thu, Feb 14, 2002, 20:06
|
Mike's revised formula, again ripped off from the MB;
"Thanks to the miracle of oversite, I goofed a formula pretty good when trying to figure out the average a new horse would cost. So I am revising it here. Sorry for the error :
To breed over a horse that has 5 races or less costs 50 points
To breed over a horse with 6-10 races costs 40 points
To breed over a horse with 11-15 races costs 30 points
To breed over a horse with 15-20 races costs 20 points
To breed over a horse with 20-30 races costs 10 points
Also, for horses with 0-20 races, it costs and additional 5 points per race won
For horses with 21-50 races run, replace the 5 with a 3 in the above formula
For horses with 51-80 races run, replace the 3 with a 1
For horses with more than 80 races, there is no cost
Sorry again for the oversite... I wish I could use the excuse that I was drinking at work but, unfortunately, I think I just applied my awful work ethic there to the horse racing game when I was calcing a formula. Sorry again.
--Mike"
|
| 3 | Madman
ID: 21020124
Thu, Feb 14, 2002, 21:42
|
Holy ****!
Implications.
1. Get your bargain breeding done before March 2!!!!!!
2. Get your breed-overs done immediately, if you can afford it. I may do this with either Agriculture Bomber or Alyrun Wing or Rakida's Plug simply because of this implementation. AARGH.
3. Most of my stables are going to get between 600 and 750 points, it looks like. Started a bit too late to get the max of 750 . . . I assume the cut-off is week 1327 for calculating how long your stable was active? If so . . .
Madman999 -- started 991 => 49 weeks => 735 credits
rotciv -- activated before 998, first race 1005 => 720 or 705 credits.
madman3 -- first race 1019 => 675
madman4 -- first race 1047 => 41 weeks, 615.
Maybe those stats will help you guys figure your bonuses.
Most horses have 11+ races, so most horses will cost 30+ BP's to breed over. The obvious problem here is that most horses get wins as they get more races. This means that the price for most horses will NOT fall until the 21st race, when the penalty for wins drops from 5 to 3. Horses with more than 50 races are going to look sweet to breed.
4 Horses with many races run now will become claim-bait for breeding! Suddenly, it makes a lot of sense to acquire a heavily raced horse from a 50K claimer to breed him over!!! Holy moley . . . Which I had Hermitz's Rollers back!
5 I'd maybe consider trying to acquire some heavily raced horses. Not only do you get great BP bonuses if they place top 3, they are cheap to breed over. Depends . . . if other people start paying attention to this closely, then they will be hard to hang on to in claimers. If they don't, then you can get the best of both worlds. My guess is that by May, most people won't pay attention to # of races too much . . .
Wow. Very glad you posted. These rules tend to disappear from his site.
|
| 4 | Toral
Sustainer
ID: 2111201313
Fri, Feb 15, 2002, 20:50
|
So who's got 2-year-olds going this week. I see StLCards with 4 in Missouri? Ancient King nice odds at 6/1. And Madman has a favorite in 7704. Enigmatic looks like a great one. It would be nice to get a win early to get into the higher races right off. Heck, it might be essential to get out of maiden ranks before the flood of 750-point homebreds comes down in March.
Full Honours drew into Indiana 2012 and goes at 10-1. Favorite is Lemon Drop Kid x Sadler's Wells x Nureyev. Ouch. It's great to have a horse with a clean slate in front of him/her.
Toral
|
| 5 | Madman
ID: 21020124
Fri, Feb 15, 2002, 21:24
|
Well, I appreciate the support about Enigmatic being a great one. But this is the 4th "few hundred point" homebred I've done, and I'm not holding my breath. I think you have to get lucky. I'm also very worried about Enigmatic's endurance. As I said before, I really wanted Giant's Causeway. However, there is definitely a ton of quality in her pedigree. At any rate, I've had favorites in homebred races before, and that usually appears to be a bad sign. Hoping for the best.
The fav in Full Honours's race has an awesome pedigree. But the race is short, and some of that Sadler's WellsxNureyev may not matter.
I agree about getting out of maidens before the studs come in. However, the studs are ALREADY in, in some sense -- there haven't been races for all those Storm Cat progeny that have been bred so far. I think there will be a steady flow of royally bred horses throughout the year.
|
| 6 | Madman
ID: 21020124
Fri, Feb 15, 2002, 22:30
|
Rotciv Stables won 2 horses for $6 each at auction to fill it up.
Madman3 continued its incredible string of bad luck, losing bids for 5 different dollar horses somehow. AARGH. Putting bets on two more and hoping for the best. Sigh.
|
| 7 | Toral
Sustainer
ID: 2111201313
Fri, Feb 15, 2002, 22:37
|
Six Dollars!. Jeez, don't throw cash around like it was water :) I paid $1 for all four of my auction-to-breed horses this year.
I felt good about that. Last year I had to go as high as $101. Watch your pennies, and....
Toral
|
| 8 | StLCards
Sustainer
ID: 10372222
Fri, Feb 15, 2002, 23:37
|
I actually have 5 2yo's running in MO this week.
Ancient King 6/1, Tellana Salt 19/1, Friendly One 36/1, Frontier Hawk(IRE)99/1, Dance List 19/1. Most are bargain breeds so at least that is out of the way.
After I got PO'd last week about the MO resident buying the T races, I bought some credits thinking I could outbid him on those races. I now realize you can only bid 3 weeks in advance. I could have bought some races outright but you have no idea which race would be replaced by yours.
Bottom line is I now have 2000 credits and am thinking about a Royal. Appears most of the Royal stock is gone for 2 yo's but some remains for 3 yo's. Beyond Storm Cat who are the most consistent sires in the sim? What is the advantage of a 2yo vs a 3yo? I'm thinking I really should breed this week or next before the influx of BP's comes and ALL the royal sires will be used.
I agree that the days of bargain breeds are limited. Actually the price of bargain breeds just increased. Will be a lot harder to come in under 100 with a 30-50 pt breeding penalty. Can't you now breed a horse without eliminating another horse for like 50 BP's? Thought I read that somewhere.
Seems to be a couple of interesting contests coming up in the sim. The race across America, and he one in TX. Wish I had a worthy horse.
|
| 9 | StLCards
Sustainer
ID: 10372222
Fri, Feb 15, 2002, 23:53
|
Just looked thgough my stable and realize I have a 6yo mare that I could breed over. Sally Plow, Majestic Light x Caerleon x Blade. 9-1-2-0. Runs mid to upper 80's at 8.5 furlongs. Hate to give up on her so soon, but could be a good one for breeding. Seems to be a lot of low 90's horses in claimers these days though anyway.
|
| 10 | Madman
ID: 21020124
Sat, Feb 16, 2002, 02:13
|
Kind of ignore some of the #'s. The first is the # of sire progeny in the sim, then DS, then DDS. The 4th is total. All old data, however.
A.P. INDY 405 103 7 515 1989 Great Dirt s Classic
ACK ACK 170 133 303 1966 Great Dirt Middle
BOLD RULER 348 348 1954 Great Dirt Middle
FORTY NINER 521 225 14 760 1985 Great Any Middle
GRAUSTARK 186 316 502 1963 Great Any Marathon
HAIL TO REASON 3 304 307 1958 Great Turf Distance
HALO 23 244 179 446 1969 Great Dirt Marathon
HERBAGER 59 184 243 1956 Great Turf Marathon
HOIST THE FLAG 63 307 370 1968 Great Any Classic
KINGMAMBO 225 41 1 267 1990 Great Any Distance
LYPHARD 10 310 248 568 1969 Great Turf Distance
MISWAKI 228 174 34 436 1978 Great Any Middle
MR. PROSPECTOR 336 657 343 1336 1970 Great Any Mud Middle
NATIVE DANCER 124 124 1950 Great Classic
NIJINSKY II 2 397 458 857 1967 Great Any Marathon
NORTHERN DANCER 290 740 1030 1961 Great Turf Distance
NUREYEV 289 254 86 629 1977 Great Turf Middle
RAISE A NATIVE 233 504 737 1961 Great Dirt Mud Sprint
RIBOT 1 196 197 1952 Great Any Marathon
ROUND TABLE 17 367 384 1954 Great Turf Marathon
SADLER'S WELLS 471 313 58 842 1981 Great Any Marathon
SEEKING THE GOLD 342 99 14 455 1985 Great Dirt Middle
STORM BIRD 143 211 60 414 1978 Great Turf Middle
STORM CAT 624 259 39 922 1983 Great Any Middle
SUMMER SQUALL 246 55 2 303 1987 Great Any Distance
UNBRIDLED 293 92 6 391 1987 Great Dirt Any
VICE REGENT 2 176 175 353 1967 Great Any Distance
WILD AGAIN 263 150 20 433 1980 Great Any Middle
WOODMAN 293 127 17 437 1983 Great Turf Middle
Some more (some duplicated):
(ID - name - year - surface - distance)
1494 Danehill 1986 Turf Classic
1600 Deputy Minister 1979 Any Classic
11774 Event Of The Year 1995
12967 Giant's Causeway (IRE) 1997
3037 Irish River(FR) 1976 Any Marathon
13738 Point Given
5067 Quiet American 1986
5102 Rainbow Quest 1981 Turf Distance
5208 Red Ransom 1987 Turf Classic
6327 Summer Squall 1987 Any Distance
6563 Theatrical(IRE) 1982 Any Marathon
13349 War Chant 1997
I'd also go for Gone West.
2 year olds -- obviously get an extra year out of them. 3 year olds might be more competitive early. At this point in the year, I think it is more a matter of personal choice, no right or wrong answer. Late in the year, I wouldn't breed a 700 point 3 year old.
Remember, if you use the breeding of a horse, you basically have to be 3 years older than the horse you create. I.e., 6 year old mare to create a 3 year old broodmare. New rules allow you to "push" the breeding envelope, but why?
|
| 11 | Madman
ID: 21020124
Sat, Feb 16, 2002, 02:15
|
Majestic Light -- Second tier dirt sprint influence x Caerleon -- almost top end distance. Surface versatile in the sim, but more turf IRL, IIRC. That's a good mix. I'd add a top quality middle to classic distance influence to that. Either surface, although I'd be more likely to go dirt, since ML progeny sometimes have a heavy bend that way and might as well re-inforce that.
|
| 12 | Madman
ID: 21020124
Sat, Feb 16, 2002, 02:23
|
Whoa. I just checked out a list of sires from zgreat and dixiedotco. They called ML a turf classic influence! Whoa. They also call Caerleon "Any" surface and classic distance. I'm pretty sure that is shorting Caerleon a bit, although he's not as marathon intensive as, say, Graustark.
I just cranked the SSS numbers regarding ML (using the breeding.txt file from October or so). 7 points faster on dirt, best distance was 8-9f. That suggests classic rather than sprint influence. The large % of maiden breakers on turf puts the lie to the dirt/turf speed differential. Normally, you see a 3-4 point gap there anyway. So, I'd call ML a surface-versatile influence.
Some of his best progeny (when he was sire) were with Sadler's Wells (turf distance) and Wild Again.
When he was DS, the speed numbers stayed similar. Sires of note: Western Playboy, Regal Classic, Warning(gb), Capote. Warning(gb) and Capote would be your better bets. I don't like Capote in the sim -- tends to have success early and then peter out later in life, I think. Warning(gb) -- I'm not too familiar with foreign sires. Regal Classic isn't that great, but he's an OK sire.
Thus, I change my mind. I'd go for a turf sprint or turf classic influence.
Maybe that will help.
|
| 13 | Toral
Sustainer
ID: 2111201313
Sat, Feb 16, 2002, 09:34
|
I'm starting to think about my royal breed too. Wasn't in any hurry but maybe should not wait till the 750-lb bags of candy are handed out. Madman -- what's your review of Machiavellian?
I second Madman's comments about 2-year-olds and 3-year-olds. Previously I had been very set against breeding a 3-year-old on the simple philosophy, why lose a year of your horse? But if your sire combo is lase-developing types, you can be just putting yourself through a year of 2-year-old agony and/or end up having to drop the horse into MCs/claimers and lose it anyway. Now I think a 3-year-old early in the year is OK with a late-developing combo. Likewise, I wouldn't do it late in the year with a horse costing any kind of price.
And many people have an image in their mind of the Kentucky Derby and the Triple Crown in their head when they breed. Even if it's a bargain plug, the image is there, just like anyone can grow up to be President of the United States. And a 3-year-old bred even this early in the year isn't going to win the Bluegrass Derby.
Toral
|
| 14 | StLCards
Sustainer
ID: 2504849
Sat, Feb 16, 2002, 13:59
|
I was thinking of using Danehill. Is still available as a 3yo sire. Turf Classic seems to fit Madman's assessment. Sound good?
Other thought was Kingmambo, but he is already used up.
|
| 15 | StLCards
Sustainer
ID: 2504849
Sat, Feb 16, 2002, 17:18
|
Turns out it's not quite so easy to to breed with credits. All the good horses have no credit option available. Seems only 1 credit purcahse per week for S, DS, or DDS allowed. Once any of those is purchased that is it for the week. Have to use BP's at that point. I'm not so sure I'm ready to breed over Sally Plow anyway. Would like to test her on turf a little more. That was where I originally thought she would be best anyway.
|
| 16 | StLCards
Sustainer
ID: 10372222
Sat, Feb 16, 2002, 19:53
|
Here's my latest breeding idea. I can use 4yo male Nine Rally, Forty-Niner x Riverman x Second Bar. Cost is 125 for using a male, 250 for pushing the breediing envelope. Penalty of 375. Just a bit more the current price of Forty-Niner and Riverman together, except you can't get them. Now all I need is to find the right Sire for a 2yo. As of now Danehill is gone. I also considered Cryptoclearance but his progeny seem to develop later on, although IRL I thought he was the leading sire of 2yo's either by $$ or by wins, can't really remember.
|
| 17 | StLCards
Sustainer
ID: 10372222
Sat, Feb 16, 2002, 20:28
|
Zeal Appeal, #73284, ran an 87SP in a 2yo 5f race in KY.
|
| 18 | StLCards
Sustainer
ID: 10372222
Sat, Feb 16, 2002, 20:34
|
Guess I should have mentioned that that is not my horse. I just thought it was an incredible run looking over a lot of the other times in the sim. I did manage to get a 2nd place finish with Dance List(ire) and a 4th place as well. Others ran in the 40's but they are bred for distance not sprints so we'll see. As soon as some 2yo MC come up they are in them.
|
| 19 | Toral
Sustainer
ID: 2111201313
Sat, Feb 16, 2002, 22:17
|
Stlcards I wasn't thinking when you mentioned Danehill and credits. It should have occurred to me immediately that Danehill's one credit breed per week would be gone. With only one credit sire per week, getting a royal-breed is tougheer than it might seem. Even if you're willing to lay out $12.50, the sires open for bidding at different times, so one would need to have a lot of alternate ideas for every given week. Maybe get up in the middle of the night in NA for 3 sires scheduled to open then?
Surely Nine Rally isn't good enough to pay 375 for to use as a dam-sire? I just think this is ill-advised, even with the nice pedigree.
Saw about that 87 of the MB. Pretty awesome. Full Honours ran a 62, running 4th.
Finally had a decent week, with 4 wins in 14 races. Enjoyed most Alwujack, a recent auction acquisition. I got into a bidding war over him and ended up paying $10,187 or so, too much. But he won an MSW, no less, for me first time out. A cheap H-restricted one, admittedly. Recent claim acquistion Rusty Quest won too. Unfortunately I erred in entering his first choice race so he got his second, a $3.5K claimer, and was obviously taken. Windy Pond, blocked horse from my last stable, descended to $2K MCs, went at 12-1 odds, ran a 90, and wasn't claimed! A good day. And Bead Pick won a CPU allowanc; he seemsd to like 10f and good turf. Despite this, I must get him a sprint try, since he likes the lead so much.
Toral
|
| 20 | StLCards
Sustainer
ID: 10372222
Sat, Feb 16, 2002, 22:51
|
Hey Toral Nice races to get 4 wins. Here I spent all this time finding a sire and now you say he's not worth breeding over? D'oh! I wasn't really thinking about his stats only forty-niner and riverman. I think I might do it anyway unless someone can tell me how better to use up those 2000 credits. If there is not overwhelming descent, my 2yo horse would become Green Dancer x Forty Niner x Riverman and would probably cost around 650 credits. Too much, huh? After seeing some of these 40SP's this week and having few horses that can actually run I am getting irritated. I think to get a horse of that caliber using credits would probably cost much more than 650.
As far as Machiavellian goes, he seems to be one of the top sires in the sim according to the "top sires" link. Mr. Prospector x Sadler's Wells progeny seem to do well.
I was shutout again in the win column even with a lot of races. Get to run Hero Grub and Sixth Deputy this week. I did get a surprise 2nd place out of Brass Ones. I ran him at only RTG as I found a T race for him. Dance List(ire) my 2yo homebred got a 2d in MO with a respectable 63 at 4.5f. Ancient King, my Wavering Monarch progeny got a 4th but only ran a 51. Carnage Gal got a 3d. Not much else that I can remember.
|
| 21 | Toral
Sustainer
ID: 2111201313
Sat, Feb 16, 2002, 23:17
|
OK, since you're looking...Hansel x Saratoga Six x Norcliffe. Prospector influence in Hansel, Northern Dancer influence in Norcliffe (a Queen's Plate winner). 193 points and all credit-eligible.
Don't say I didn't try to find an alternative!
Toral
|
| 22 | Toral
Sustainer
ID: 2111201313
Sun, Feb 17, 2002, 00:35
|
This looking at sires can be dangerous...my first bargain breed of the year, Giboulee x Mr Howard x Shananie = 28? Speak now or forever hold your peace.
Toral
|
| 23 | Toral
Sustainer
ID: 2111201313
Sun, Feb 17, 2002, 00:39
|
Namewise, this is what a giboulee is: "a cold, humid northwesterly squall that occurs behind a low pressure system over the English Channel and off the Atlantic coasts of France and northern Spain."
Toral
|
| 24 | Madman
ID: 21020124
Sun, Feb 17, 2002, 01:11
|
Holy cow! I just bred a Mr. Howard! I'll post in the breeding thread.
Machiavellian -- yeah, a top sim sire. Off the top, don't know distance/speed, but he's very, very good.
|
| 25 | Toral
Sustainer
ID: 2111201313
Sun, Feb 17, 2002, 01:14
|
I've had to abort this idea -- bad research, Giboulee should be a dam-sire. But I'm keeping the Mr. Howard as DS idea, going to look for a cheapie with Dancer blood to fill Giboulee's place.
Goodbye to the name, too -- SPIRALING GALERNE. Spiraling is Mr Howard's mother; Galerne is a synonym for Giboulee.
Toral
|
| 26 | StLCards
Sustainer
ID: 10372222
Sun, Feb 17, 2002, 23:12
|
After spending a few hours browsing the new prices etc. I am realizing just how hard it is going to be to breed a Royal. The Nureyev's, Storm Cat's, etc. are all bought even before they are started (1000 credits). I think given that I am going to breed a credit horse now and then wait until the breeding rush is over with the BP bonanza coming up.
|
| 27 | Toral
Sustainer
ID: 2111201313
Sun, Feb 17, 2002, 23:24
|
Yup. Storm Cat was gone (creditwise) within a few minutes after the updating ended. The top sires with any endurance are gone, credit-wise, though some of the sprint-types are available.
What are you looking for now, credit-wise?
Toral
|
| 28 | StLCards
Sustainer
ID: 10372222
Mon, Feb 18, 2002, 02:14
|
I did a bit of research on this and hopefully it works out. Went ahead and bred over nine rally to get the Forty Niner x Riverman lineage. Looking through the Super Sim Searcher it seemed that inbreeding with Mr. Prospector worked particularly well with Raise A Native as a DDS. I originally thought of going with Gone West, Woodman, or Miesque's Son.
I then noticed Green Dancer worked well also but without using Raise A Native. Two excellent horses by him, one using The Minstrel and another using Iron Ruler as DDS. I also noticed that Iron Ruler had the same sire as Riverman (Never Bend). Looking in to this further it seemed that Northern Dancer blood worked well. Green Dancer has Northern blood through Nijinsky II. The Minsrel also has Northern blood.
Looking in to ND lines it appeared that Nureyev lines worked very well. This is true of Miesques Son too as he has Nureyev through his mother. I found a sire Robin des pins by Nureyev that sired a couple of wonderful horses with Forty Niner. The DDS of New Policy seemed to fit the same Dosage Profile as the others that produced good horses as DDS, a 4.5 DI and a CD = 1.0. This is right in line with that of Riverman.
It also appeared that Secretariat blood worked well with forty niner as shown by Gone West. I started thinking that it might be other factors besides simple inbreeding with Mr. Prospector as other Prospector sires didn't fare that well. Mr. Prospector seemed to be a bit too heavy towards speed and it could be that Secretariat balanced it out a bit. It seemed that Secratariat and Nureyev were more classic speed with CD below 1.0 bringing more endurance. Of course Forty Niner already gets endurance from Tom Rolfe as a DS. Anyway, I looked into Theatrical out of Nureyev, but of course he was already gone, and considered Robin des pins who had already sired some good horses, but then came across Atticus. Brings both Northern Dancer blood through Nureyev, and Secretariat blood through his mother. And the SSS showed good results for similar horses.
So if all goes well, next Sunday I should have River of Gold, oops, just looked in the SSS and there already is one, D'oh! Oh well, maybe River of Gold Too? (Atticus x Forty Niner x Riverman).
|
| 29 | StLCards
Sustainer
ID: 2504849
Mon, Apr 01, 2002, 15:49
|
I'm still thinking of breeding over Sally Plow (re posts 9-12). Currently looking at Red Ransom and Woodman. Really can't see an advantage of one over the other, so I may just watch and take the one I can get for cheapest before both 2yo's disappear. May decide on a 3yo instead also. Can anyone see a major advantage for either Woodman or Red Ransom? They both seem to fit Madman's criteria.
|
| 30 | Madman
ID: 21020124
Mon, Apr 01, 2002, 18:12
|
I personally love Woodman. Red Ransom is also good. FYI -- I was hoping to breed Woodman to Indy's Beer ASAP. . . Not sure how much I'm willing to pay, however.
|
| 31 | StLCards
Sustainer
ID: 2504849
Mon, Apr 01, 2002, 18:38
|
One of Red Ransom's 2yo's dissapeared as soon as breeding opened for him a few hours ago. Imagine it will be the same for Woodman. I am in no big hurry and would like for the price to drop a bit too. Probably more than a few weeks still before the demand drops a bit.
|
| 32 | Madman
ID: 21020124
Mon, Apr 01, 2002, 20:39
|
I HAVE to breed a 2 year old if I want to use the lineage of Indy's Beer -- Lear Fan (good to very good) x Sadler's Wells (awesome). I want a turfer; Woodman is a natural choice, although the horse may end up being a bit short on endurance. Gone West is another obvious choice.
Woodman is going online here in the next hour. I think I might do the ticker thing, and wait until someone breeds a 2 year old . . . I want to breed Deputy Minister to a Madman4 horse -- Bart Accordian who is Woodman x someone, can't recall right now. He'll come online at 6:00 CST. I might have a shot in the morning, but Deputy Minister only has 1 slot each for 2 year old, 3 year old -- someone paid 1000 credit to use him. This is just insane right now.
|
| 33 | Madman
ID: 21020124
Mon, Apr 01, 2002, 21:29
|
Well, I went ahead and did it. Hope I didn't steal your Woodman. I bred WOOD KING or WOOD NYMPH for 624 breeding points. He's going to be ID #39894, Woodman x Lear Fan x Sadler's Wells. Should be a solid turfer. We'll see if he has enough endurance.
Now, if I'm "lucky", I'll be able to breed Bart Accordian away for about the same amount tomorrow morning . . . Deputy Minister x Woodman x Shirley Heights (gb)
I'm thinking something like "Little John" or "Fryar Tuck" something (Deputy / Woodman . . ok, stretching it . . .)
|
| 34 | StLCards
Sustainer
ID: 2504849
Tue, Apr 02, 2002, 11:15
|
Madman, good luck with your Woodman babies. Glad you got him. I am probably going to wait until mid May and then try to breed. Should be a lot less chaotic then, and more reasonable prices. I probably will try to breed a few 2yo or 3yo's in the devil01 stable and a few bargain babies in the Gurupie stable for fun. I think the devil01 stable has a few good horses for breeding although they might be males, but what the heck. 125 for a sex change is still less than the currently inflated prices.
|
| 35 | Madman
ID: 21020124
Tue, Apr 02, 2002, 11:34
|
Yeah, 125 for a sex-change is NOTHING!
I didn't get my Deputy Minister sire for Bart Accordian. Guess I'll wait for next week. AARGH. I'd also settle for Sadler's Wells. . . like that makes my job any easier.
Honestly, breeding right now IS AWFUL. You've got to be online at the exact moment these sires come available. Ugh. Glad I got the one Woodman.
|
|
|
|
Post a reply to this message: (But first, how about checking out this sponsor?)
|
|