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Subject: Sim. Sports Horse Racing -- New Rule Change
Posted by: Toral
- Sustainer [2111201313] Thu, Feb 21, 2002, 10:50
Mike has posted the subject line, and.... |
| 1 | Toral
Sustainer
ID: 2111201313
Thu, Feb 21, 2002, 10:58
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"* When rolling over a "claim race bonus" from week to week, only 40% of the previous week's points earned can be added. For example, if you earned 20 points this week and accumulated 100 last week, you will only be credited with 60 (20 + 40%*100) points this week. If you score 30 the following week, you will only be credited (30+40%*60) 54 points. Again, this bonus is nullified if the horse is claimed. It is also nullified when a horse finishes out of the top 3.
* The "rollover bonus maximum" will be 150 points.
* The 10 point bonus for running a horse in a maiden claimer and finishing top 3 will be reduced to 5 extra points.
* The bonus for debuting a horse in a maiden claimer and finishing top 3 is also reduced to 5 points
--Mike"
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| 2 | Madman
ID: 21020124
Thu, Feb 21, 2002, 12:36
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Fiddling at the margins. I wonder if he even got my email. Or if he found a critical error in my math.
More likely, he didn't read it.
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| 3 | Toral
Sustainer
ID: 2111201313
Thu, Feb 21, 2002, 14:35
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I'm glad you got to him before he decided -- very sad he apparently didn't pay attention. It would be nice if you and zgreat could be delegated for some kind of comprehensive BP revision that would avoid this continual Campaign-Finance-Reform type patching. If anybody's scheming toward that end, let me know if I can be of assistance as a footsoldier. Perhaps he's getting a lot of hopping mad e-mails and these are uppermost in his mind at the moment.
I guess my suggestion for tampering with the bonuses was counterproductive if it was listened to at all, which I doubt. At least I did mention fatigue-fixing as a necessary part of the solution.
I think we can hope for future fatigue-fixing. This change is likely part out of a desire to defuse the explosive situation on the MB somehow, what with high-power longtime sim people right at each other's throats and all. Maybe he'll look at real solutions, requiring a litle more thinking later.
Or of course maybe not.
Toral
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| 4 | StLCards
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ID: 2504849
Thu, Feb 21, 2002, 14:41
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Toral I think you are right. Defusing the situation is foremost. Mike has now acknoweledged the loop hole and said that is part of life, thus fueling the CB'ers. He now has put in a "remedy" indicating he was not pleased with the actions of the exploiters. This is probably a short term "fix" until he can get past Feb. 28th, his insurance deadline thing. My guess is it was an easy "fix" to make, the ramifications could be predictable, and it is a decent short term compromise position for a time impaired person trying to run the sim.
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| 5 | Madman
ID: 21020124
Thu, Feb 21, 2002, 23:40
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Well, Mike responded to a message (with the Excel file for backup data) that I had forwarded to zgreat.
Mike disagrees with my assessment of the situation. Specifically, he argues that since week 1250, showboat has bred 36 horses. It apparently cost him 316 points. Now, it would cost him 900.
Furthermore, Mike noticed Groovy Mike VA(gb), and felt good about the cumulative BP change just mentioned here in post 1. Between those two changes, he stated "Just on those 2 changes, I have him earning notably less than the 1143 madman estimated (1359-about 750, so about 600 overall). Not to include all the extra bonuses I have lowered."
My response:
1) limiting a stable to a NET gain of 600 BP's in 7 weeks is not a "victory".
2) The same rules that increased the cost of horses also mean that he'll have fewer horses claimed early in their careers.
3) He's comparing the BP's earned since week 1264 (1359 pts) to a cost of horses bred since week 1250. That's not fair. Believe it or not, that makes a huge difference with a stable like showboat. That's a difference of 18 races and probably about 100 BP's won, at least. That's a difference of probably 5-6 additional horses he had to breed (125-150 points).
In fact, THIS IS THE WHOLE POINT. In two weeks, showboat does as much racing as the rest of us do in 6 weeks. Geez.
I mean, WTF? I really have to wonder if he's just being silly here, or if this is the sort of argument that he actually believes.
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| 6 | Toral
Sustainer
ID: 2111201313
Thu, Feb 21, 2002, 23:58
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Did he comment on the desirability in principle --even CBs aside -- of fatigue-fixin' rules?
Re your dichotomy, I don't think he's being silly. These things are tough to follow and -- well, I'll stop there. (Who knows who's reading this?)
It's good he responded. At least he's listening to your argument, even if he doesn't understand it. Now one will be able to compare the CBs' future BP gains with your framework/projections and his. It shouldn't take that long to have some data with which to say, "Here's the facts, based on what you predicted vs what I predicted."
I'm being optimistic. Trying.
Toral
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| 7 | Madman
ID: 21020124
Fri, Feb 22, 2002, 00:41
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Toral -- well, the prediction thing is complicated. If any showboat stable horse gets through claimers this week, I'll be surprised. The claim bandits are going to have some people target them, I'm sure. Thus, those specific stables are going to earn jack crap with that strategy for awhile, I would imagine. They'll have to re-start.
The real issue with respect to prediction isn't the group that's doing it now -- but the newbies two months from now that say "hey! look at this loophole!"
In reality, what these guys are doing is just an organized and more mean-spirited version of Manni's strategy from awhile back.
This stuff is going to keep coming back and again and again . . .
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| 8 | Toral
Sustainer
ID: 2111201313
Fri, Feb 22, 2002, 00:48
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Targeting CB stables in claimers did occur to me. If it occurred to me I am sure some people will actually be taking action. (Between one thing and another I wonder how many new stable requests the sim gets this week in toto).
If the CBs have to restart that gives a little additional time. Time to figure out how best to approach Mike with a fatigue-fixin' approach, to give him some easy options. I don't think it wise (myself) to bother him again right now about this. He's said he's busy till February 28, so a hold-off might be desirable.
But yes, the future is the problem....
Toral
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| 9 | Madman
ID: 21020124
Fri, Feb 22, 2002, 01:32
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Yes, do NOT approach him right now. I just got word that he is very upset.
Furthermore, a thread I just got started got censored -- largely to protect myself, I think.
It was entitled: "For Fun: The Claim Bandit Theme Song"
Sung to the Brady Bunch Theme Song.
This is the story, of a stable called “Showboat”
Who was racing his horses all the time.
All of them earned breed points, like their stable,
The youngest one in claimers.
This is the story, of a horse called Groovy,
Who was raced into sim im-mor-tal-ity!
He scored so much, the rules were changed,
No more breed points for free.
Till the one day when this group was discovered.
And the sim got up into a roar.
That this group known also as Claim Bandits,
Could so cleanly rob the store.
The claim bandits. The Claim Bandits.
That’s the way they all became the Claim Bandits.
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I thought it was kind of a funny and light-hearted way to keep the thing alive. But people I respect took it down (I think) quickly and gave me a quick word of warning that this isn't a situation to play around with at the moment.
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| 10 | Toral
Sustainer
ID: 2111201313
Fri, Feb 22, 2002, 08:21
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LOLOLOLOLOL, Madman! That was great. I'm glad that you have protectors out there and didn't get your stable cancelled. (BTW, do you have any idea how many "superusers", people who can cancel posts and stables, there are? I never thought I'd say this, but maybe they could use an intensive seminar conducted by our board's Moderators.)
You see, bad mushrooms into worse. Not only have the Bad Guys won a (partial) victory so far, but now, because of decent impulses (for civility) mischannelled, the Good Guys are being forced to shut up about it.
But it's only one battle...
Toral
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| 11 | Madman
ID: 21020124
Fri, Feb 22, 2002, 12:41
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Actually, I didn't even know there were mods until my post disappeared and I got an email!
My guess is that they've suddenly started to work it pretty heavy because of all the recent problems.
I agree -- not only did they win a partial victory, they won the rhetorical war, too. Somehow . . .
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