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Subject: Sim. Sports Horse Racing -- Week 1033 News
Posted by: Toral
- [1418917] Wed, May 16, 13:07
Groan. This is getting annoying. Swiftly Spurn is sharp, and I want him running this week. I picked out 5 races on Monday that looked like possibilities. Plus, I thought I'd look at a couple nw1xes that were undersubscribed on Monday -- a kind of 2nd choice safety valve in case Spurn couldn't get into an MSW. As of the last hour, the number of horses entered in these 7 races: 48, 23, 26, 23, 23, 20, and 29. Likewise Jose's Terms: 35, 23, 26. Unfortunately, I'm not in a position to go blowing travel costs either.
I'll just have to roll the dice, I guess. Baby needs a new pair of shoes!
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| 23 | Madman
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Thu, May 17, 14:23
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LOL, Toral . . . I've been reviewing the odds calculations of a few races, and now I'm not so sure that the odds are too heavily biased toward recent performances. I think the key is to have a horrible outing in your last race -- that does indeed make the odds longer.
But there are a few favored horses and I couldn't understand why . . . I then used my finder program to see that they had 90+ speed 10-15 races ago at that very distance . . . It makes me wonder.
I'm really out of betting ideas at the moment. Nothing looks "right" to me. . .
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| 24 | Madman
ID: 29246911
Thu, May 17, 14:39
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These aren't my favorite bets, but I think they are OK. They just won't payoff much:
6915 #7 to Win 3/2 odds. Zgreats horse is going to roll. #1 jockey
6915 7,1 Exacta 3/2 and 5/2 odds on these guys. I don't see anyone else close.
6902 #5 to show This is a bet on December Chop. I'm nervous about the jockey. Otherwise should be a clear 3rd. Not sure how much it will pay with only 3 in race and only 4 real horses competing for top 3 slots.
The Money Tips for British Columbia are up, and they are projecting December Chop to finish for #3. But I think they are lower-quality tips than Maine's. We'll see...
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| 25 | Madman
ID: 29246911
Thu, May 17, 14:58
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2909 An exacta on 2 and 7 might not be silly. The more I look at it, East A La Run has a real shot at #2. I wouldn't bet the farm on this sort of thing. But if you spread your risk out over about 10 races, you should end up fine with this sort of bet. I don't see how #2 can lose at 9/5, so you could go that way, too.
I may go the safer route and put a bit on #2 to win and #7 to show . . .
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| 26 | Madman
ID: 29246911
Fri, May 18, 02:06
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I need some more betting tips, guys. I think I'm going to bet on about 20 races, 2K per race. Spread my risk. Probably won't earn a $100K profit, but it should earn some bread. I don't see any choice at the moment. I just don't like the bets this week.
One of those 20 will be on Buckschott in the Middle Jewel (Preakness) -- race 0815. He's moving back to his best distance and he's under a great jockey. And, for the record, I called Buda with the Slew in the Kentucky Derby two weeks ago . . . Just wish I felt this confident about the real Preakness. I could earn a bit of cash, me thinks.
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| 27 | JKaye
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ID: 4711592917
Fri, May 18, 08:44
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My 2nd stable has arrived. User jkaye2.
My blocked horse is April Fireworks--4yo, Wild RushxAlydarxCrimson Satan. The cream of my crop.
Excessive George3yo, OrpenxNashuaxRising Market. Another very solid horse who will have to carry the stable until April Fireworks is unblocked.
Secret Groove(FR)--10yo, KaldounxSecretariatxAfrican Sky(GB). What a sireline this horse has. Of the six horses in the bloodline with listed point values, all are 97 or above.
Mixed Up Ride--3yo, Todayn'tomorrowxEastern EchoxImbros. Not a very good horse, and the only one out of the 5 that I did not list in my 10.
Sheen Allen--5yo, Colonial AffairxFor the MomentxPaveh. Kind of a darkhorse. The sire and dam-sire are so-so, but both come from very good lines with horses including Pleasant Colony and Bold Ruler. And the dam-dam sire Paveh is a stud.
Hopefully this stable is a bit better than my first one, since I have a little bit more of an idea how I am doing now.
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| 28 | cab
ID: 194411021
Fri, May 18, 14:24
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I can't really help you sorry Madman...Deadly beavis looks a shoe in ,in race 3 at Delaware though..unfortunately!!
In Yankee's race (4705) it does look like the 2 fav's will be fighting it out....Will be an interesting race though...2 totally different running styles from what i can ascertain... Thor V(5/2) likes to get out amongst the leaders while PlainBrown Wrapper(7/2) likes to sit back and come from behind..They both are just not quite making it...There are quite a few first starters and horse with only one or two races who may sneak in so it may be hard to pick a winner here...
Haven't really had much time to look at anything else..unfortunately for me thuursdy,friday,saturday are the busiest times for me...dang work..it takes up far too much of my time!!...lol
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| 29 | StLCards
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ID: 2504849
Fri, May 18, 15:05
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I agree about the work thing cab! Can't I just do that from home where I don't need such a fast connection to surf?
I made one bet on race 1033.2713 position #4 (id 15064) to win, but the odds are only 1/2 I think. Not much return there.
I need one of those horses at 8/1, (like Madman picked last week) but I am not qualified enough yet to figure that out. For instance, I might recognize Mr. Prospector as a good Sire line, but not sure at what distance, track condition, etc., not to mention which dam-sire line etc should go with him. I guess I'll pick this up over time. Definitely need to get a new stable so I can rest horses without feeling race deprived.
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| 30 | Madman
ID: 29246911
Fri, May 18, 17:09
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StLCards -- yeah. I need one of those 8/1 odds, too :(. But I don't want to post a loser. I'll try to find some opportunities late tonight. I should note that Buckshott is a 4/1, IIRC. However, those sorts of races are filled with great horses, so it's not a 100% sure thing. I felt better about What Wail last week than I do about Buckshott . . .
The best way to get good odds may to be to go for the exacta plays or trifecta's. But those make me very nervous. I've never tried to call those things, so I don't know if I can.
JKaye -- very cool. Mind if I give a go at a stable review for you? Be awhile. I just want to see how my reviews would compare to, say, snowchief, who gives the best, IMO.
Make sure you get into the claimers this week with that stable. There are some nice ones out there. If you want some pointers on claimers, let me know. My excel program has downloaded all cheapies (the only ones a new stable can afford).
Cab regarding 4705, maybe my standards are getting too high. But all those first timers give me the heebie jeebies. . . This is a hard week for some reason, I think.
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| 31 | Madman
ID: 29246911
Fri, May 18, 17:21
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Jkaye2 -- I can't find this username??? No review at the moment for obvious reasons, then. Post your horse ID's, and I could use that.
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| 32 | Madman
ID: 29246911
Fri, May 18, 17:50
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Taking advantage of off-track odds:
I like #10 in the 8th at Vermont. 8/1 odds. I think I'll put some money on him to place. He might even win, although I'm worried about Senor Gordie (#4) in the race. The key here is that this is good dirt track. Senor Gordie is the favorite to win, IMO, and would also be a decent win bet at 3/1, although I'm nervous about his off-track ability.
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| 33 | Madman
ID: 29246911
Fri, May 18, 17:53
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Or #8 in the 12th at Vermont is also a great mudder. In fact, I like that one so much I'm going to put a decent amount down to win at 6/1 odds.
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| 34 | JKaye
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ID: 4711592917
Fri, May 18, 19:15
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Sorry Madman, my mistake. The id# is jkaye1. I guess I jumped the gun...jkaye 2 may be here before too long:
I would appreciate a stable review since you clearly know your stuff. Any help with claimers would be cool as well, since I don't have much time to put those in before the sim.
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| 36 | Toral
ID: 1418917
Fri, May 18, 20:21
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My betting tip: don't follow my advice. (I'm 0 for 2 on my own betting
selections so far.) I'm making a few purely recreational bets.
5% chance on New Mexico being off, and the 19-1 shot somes up.
Fancy that. The problem with "good" as a designation in RL in that it
can mean too many things. Most often, it means "it rained a few days
ago and we're not sure whether the track has dried out or not.
Probably in some parts but not others".
Having said that, I like the longshot in the small field, the 2 horse,
Roy's Screens, to repeat his 71 performance on the good from a
while back in the 4th in New Mexico, under Duffy, the best jockey on
the track.
I also like #4 in the first (3:1) and the #2 in the 5th (7-2) [superior mud
sire in Carson City; only previous off performance was *on the turf*,
which doesn't count] although the odds don't justify any more than
recreational wagering.
Vermont is off, eh? Have to take a look at that.
Toral
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| 37 | JKaye
Sustainer
ID: 4711592917
Fri, May 18, 20:24
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I went through claimers and found some I liked in the sub 5000 group. I did it the hard way, by hand--I'll take you up on the offer for claimer pointers in the future for sure Madman.
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| 38 | Toral
ID: 1418917
Fri, May 18, 20:32
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Hey hey hey! I think I've got my to-be-eliminated horse for $104 in the auction. Too late for anybody to top me. Carson City's got a heavy date next week!
Toral
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| 39 | Madman
ID: 29246911
Fri, May 18, 21:06
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Just gave you a stable review, JKaye. It'll be interesting to see how it turns out. Davarto's claim helper SHOULD be up most Friday evenings . . .
My Rotciv stables "won" their breeding horse -- $6 -- Out on Revenge. I guess this means that Rate Learn and Jinx Understand aren't going to be hitting the breeding shed right away. Now I've just got to figure out my second Bargain Basement Breed . . .
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| 40 | Madman
ID: 29246911
Fri, May 18, 22:00
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Toral -- I think the 5% chance of a Good track in New Mexico already came up, and the track is fast. Not sure, however, but I think the track condition is already set. . .
Vermont is a "good" track across the board. And there's a tip sheet available to help you weed through some of the more wide-open races. . .
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| 41 | Toral
ID: 1418917
Fri, May 18, 22:57
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Track is good in New Mexico, Madman. Track condition set as soon as races are posted. But if you check find races, NM was only 5% chance of being off this week, iirc.
Must check Vermont sheet. Vermont used to be I think the most active "resident" stable in the game, but it all came apart because of some internal dispute....sounded really minor, someone calling someone else names. I think that was before you were playing.
I'm avoiding your pick in the 8th in Vermont with a 25-foot pole. Selection in 12th looks nice.
Toral
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| 42 | Madman
ID: 29246911
Fri, May 18, 23:25
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Sorry. I was looking at Mexico, I think.
I'll double check these races. I'm putting a ton of money down this weekend. Spent too much time and work on this game this week to not. . . screw the odds! Full steam ahead!
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| 44 | Madman
ID: 29246911
Sat, May 19, 13:41
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Holy cow. What an awful week of racing! Geez.
Congrats to Buda With the Slew for a Middle Jewel Crown!
But they say you learn more from your defeats than from your victories, and that is certainly the case here. Some lessons:
1) I can't call "Good" tracks. Not only did my horses not perform, there was no way in heck I was going to pick those who did. I think the best advice here is to just stay away. Far away.
2) I need to change my jockey selection methodology (which I already did). December Chop should have run much better than he did. OUCH. That one really hurt. I think my brain up there said that he was going to have trouble staying in front on 4th. Well, that was an understatement. 73 speed. UGH.
3) I MUST watch the race cards more carefully. In weeks like this where the competition is tough, my low-calibre horses simply must be placed lower than I would otherwise want. For example, Rate Learn ran a career best 70 speed for me in a claimer, but it did me no good as he faded to 7th or whatever.
Good News 5,000 claimer Light Jupiter returned $3,600 back to Madman999 with a lightning 2nd place showing and a 97.1 speed rating -- a career best (tied). He had never been run at 7f on dirt and I had a hunch he would rock. This performance surprised the heck out of me since he was stuck on the outside. In three weeks, he's going to have another go. He deserves a bit of a rest.
Front Stamping in Madman3 is going to be glue. I can handle a 34. But then a 42? OMG.
Kentucky Project finished an ok 5th. Only RTG, I messed this horse up.
My record sucks this week. 7 races, 1 2nd, 2 5th's and 4 stinkers (Manta=62 speed, Front Stamping 42, Rate Learn 70, Elocat's Boys 59 -- he hung on too fast a pace on a surface he apparently doesn't like. It was just a test. He'll be back.)
Betting-wise, I only got 2 out of 12 correct. UGH. 3 of those were on good tracks, and a fourth was on an unraced horse (breaking one of my rules). Out of the remainging, I was an acceptable 1/4.
At any rate, by my calculations (which may indeed be in error), I put down $137,000 on these losers. Fortunately, the two winners were two of the 4 races I felt "good" about, so I put a lot of money on them (relatively), and should end up with 223,200. If so, I consider myself to be extremely lucky. A profit of 86,200 with that record . . . In fact, I'm having trouble believing my addition. I won't feel comfortable until I see my stable results updated.
Hope you guys fared better than me.
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| 45 | Madman
ID: 29246911
Sat, May 19, 14:42
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Congratulations, cab! Very impressive win by Yankee Alphabet! It appears he likes the distance. 86 speed is sweet. Enjoy it! It also may be that racing him when sharp makes a large difference . . .
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| 46 | cab
ID: 364551821
Sat, May 19, 14:58
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Wooooo hooooooo...I got my first winner!!
Yankee alphabet showed a great amount of improvment and won!...I was very hopeful that he would improve, considering his last race was at 97% and rtg but to win it is awesome...
The sad part is i had no money on him...lol...
The rest of the runners were pretty average really...Rules and Amy were very dissapointing finishing a long way back...Pepi and Bingo were only marginally better....
I am not sure that i will run horses back to back again even if they are sharp...Yankee managed to get through two weeks staying sharp ...I don't know ,maybe i just got lucky..
(I ran Sloppy back to back too and he came back al little groggy..I did mess up though,stepping him up 1.5f)
I think i may have to run Rules sparingly,she was drafted as needing rest and it wouldn't surprise me if she is the same after coming back this week,or maybe worse...
I would consider a collect of 86k a great result Madmam!!...Was a nice run by Lighening as well..
How did you work out that speed rating Madman?..Is that the same as the SP #...My stable hasn't been updated yet so i don't know how they faired in that department..
I hope everyone else had a great days racing!!
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| 47 | StLCards
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ID: 3505622
Sat, May 19, 16:01
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Erica Bark came in 4th 5 lengths behind. Held on to 4th by a 1/4 length over two others. Don't know the speed. Was only RTG so I'm happy with that.
Dealer Dixie came in 7th in a 7f race. Started in the far outside 14 position and closed the whole way. Only RTG and the closing from 14 to 7 is a good sign. Still finished 8 1/4 lengths back so not too encouraging.
Duke Ice and French Iron in the same race finished as expected - right at the back, 10th and 11th in a 12 horse race. They were totally outmatched from the beginning so I didn't expect anything.
The only bet I made on a 1/2 favorite the horse came in 4th! So much for betting on a favorite.
Last night I spent hours poring over horses and put in for a new stable. Hopefully I get some decent horses. Tried to spread it around between 3yo, 4yo, 5yo, and even a 6yo, and threw in some females. Hopefully I get those 3 yo colts I want (not that they will be any good, but at least it will be my own fault).
Congrats on your win cab. My stable hasn't been updated yet either. It will be interesting to see my speed ratings and horse conditions. I'm guessing I will have some come back groggy as well.
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| 48 | JKaye
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ID: 4711592917
Sat, May 19, 16:54
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Late Beau ran another solid race, finishing 4th for a second straight week. He once again jumped out to a quick lead before fading. I think 5-6f are best for him when sharp. I thought it was the off track the week before, but he ran the same race on the fast dirt. I'll be curious to see what his speed rating was.
Easy Wing finished in the middle of the pack. Speed was probably in the 60's once again.
I picked up 2 solid claimers on jkaye. Both won their races! 30547, Dynayrun Form showed solid 73-74 times on 6-6.5f on turf, but was only run on it twice in the last 5. He ran that distance again today and won. He should bring some consistency to my stable from that distance.
I also picked up 21021 Prosperous Buster, who won his race today. A 4yo, he too fared well in 2 of his last 5 races, due to the fact he was placed in some really long route races. When at the right distance, and on turf, his speeds were 73 and 80. I expect his speed today fell right in that range.
I bet lightly, just to get my feet wet, being the first time, and picked up around 1500 by my count. Nothing like Madman-thats amazing. I did nail a 10-7 exacta in race 1107, a well as 14 to show in 2804, and 2 to show in 7111, all paying well. But I bet very small amounts(50-100) due to lack of confidence. Next week, I hope for big bucks!
jkaye1 missed on the better claimers I wanted. I ended up with an 8 year old horse, who can't race, but can sit around and wait to be bred. A sick bloodline. AP INDY, Seattle Slew, Secretariat make up the sire line. Our Native, Exclusive native and Raise a Native are on the dam-sire line. All those horses have 200+ breeding ratings. Hopefully down the road I can get a great horse out of this.
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| 49 | Madman
ID: 29246911
Sat, May 19, 17:32
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Cab I used my Super Sim Searcher program to get the speed ratings -- visit Mr. Coker's site or the thread on this site if you want to check it out. I cracked the code for the speed ratings in the raceout.zip's on my own, but Mr. Coker asked me to keep the decode to myself. I will say, however, that the raceout.zip has the speed ratings in it -- so that's where I got it from. And you're welcome to crack it yourself. It's not super hard, although it took me about 2 hours of sorting through possibilities.
jkaye My betting results were truly awful. The only reason I ended up with a large monetary gain is that I put 137,000 on the line. Further, I should point out that those are my TOTAL winnings from all three stables. Last week I gained 120K for EACH of my top two stables. . . sigh. I guess what I'm trying to say is that your win/loss record with betting was much better than mine this week. Just a matter of getting some cajones :)
I'll check out your jkaye1 claimers. By my count, you got three. I got shut out (sigh). I was hoping that there would be less competition this week. Oh well.
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| 50 | JKaye
Sustainer
ID: 4711592917
Sat, May 19, 17:51
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There is only 1 jkaye1 claimer, and 2 jkaye claimers. 3 total, but not all for jkaye1.
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| 51 | JKaye
Sustainer
ID: 4711592917
Sat, May 19, 17:55
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Speed ratings posted. Late Beau ran a 78! Higher than I thought it would be. He has a win right around the corner for sure. Easy Wing ran a 58. My claimers--Dynarun Form won with a 69. Prosperous Buster won with an 82, beating his previous bests in the last 5 of 73 and 80 on turf. This one was on dirt, so he can do both, as long as the distane is right.
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| 52 | cab
ID: 364551821
Sat, May 19, 19:11
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A pleasant surprise with Pepi's speed rating..75..a nice improvement from 59 first up..
Yankee's was 86 another good improvement from 65 at his first start..
Bingo (54 stayed the same while Amy improved as well up from 36(ugh!) to 52...
Rules first up effort was a 52... pretty average
My baby claimer, Chief Roy(4k) had a 70...I think that is pretty good for a 2yo isn't it?
They all cam back RTG apart from Yankee(a little groggy) and Roy,who needs rest...
Looks like i will have only one runner next week,Clam who has come up sharp....The rest can can have a holiday for a few days and then back into the training!
BTW..If you claim a horse you still have to pay travel costs(if over $300)One of my claimers from last week cost over 5k to get him shipped to Aussie!!(He's turning into a money muncher,lol)
Thanks for the congrats Cards...It's exciting to have a winner! and even more satisfying that i actually picked him out of the draft...I actually got 9 of the horses that i selected...Don't know if that was a good sign or not..
Madman...That Sim finder looks great but i don't think it will work on the computer i have...There is absolutely no way i would crack that code anyway...i am a computer dunce!..
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| 53 | Madman
ID: 29246911
Sat, May 19, 20:16
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A 70 is a very good performance for a 2yo! Holy cow. Congrats! You may have found yourself a winner. Just stick to a 5 week schedule, 4 if he comes up sharp early. And keep it easy. You may have a winner there. The next step is hard -- after the maiden, the number of races dries up a bit . . .
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Welcome the first Gurupie Homebred?? Secret Society was born out of a Society Max dam (unknown) and Stark Secret. He came out of the womb a "Little Groggy" according to his proud trainer, Madman3. ID 13979. . .
So, by August, I hope to get that little boy into a race!
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| 54 | StLCards
Sustainer
ID: 3505622
Sat, May 19, 20:44
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Cab - I'd like to say congratulations on Chief Roy, but I had a claim on him too! D'oh! That rating is very good for a 2 year old. Make sure to bring him along slowly. They need longer to recoup than older horses.
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| 55 | StLCards
Sustainer
ID: 3505622
Sat, May 19, 20:56
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Congrats Madman on Secret Society. Cigars for all gurupies?? Looks like some good lines there. Secretariat/Graustark, Hoist the Flag/Mr. Prospector, Vaguely Noble/Roberto. Not sure about the direct sire/dam-sire/dam's dam sire lines. Ratings are pretty low there. If the majority of the speed/endurance is derived from them I'm not sure what you'll have. Looks like some nice lines though. Again, congrats on the successful breed, and good luck!
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| 56 | Madman
ID: 29246911
Sat, May 19, 21:12
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Well, StlCards, that's why they call 'em Bargain Breeds :) The whole package cost 28 points. I plan on entering him in a higher class maiden claim race to start with (assuming I can enter him before the prices of those sires goes up). If he places 3rd or higher (I'm looking for a 4 horse race -- they still exist for 2 yo maiden claimers, but every week that goes by makes them harder to find -- thus my annoyance at the groggy condition), he'll return 33 points immediately, and maybe as many as 47 :).
There's always a Method behind the Madness. :)
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| 57 | Madman
ID: 29246911
Sat, May 19, 21:42
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I just submitted my second homebred. This time in Rotciv stables. The plan all along was to acquire Out on the Revenge (41979) in auction (for $6) and then turn him into a 2 yo by tomorrow (SUN). Suddenly having hombreds appear on SATURDAY put me a week behind . . . oh well.
In Rotciv stables in the future, you should see Snow Storm (note: cost = 28 breed points). Snow Storm is the progeny of Christmas Storm (Storm Bird x Key to Mint) x Beaudelaire (Nijinsky II x Habitat) x Caracolero (Graustark x Prince John).
The idea is to take Storm Bird's surface versatile speed (note: Storm Bird was the father of Storm Cat), and add to it some serious endurance from Nijinsky, Habitat, Graustark and Prince John. The end result SHOULD be a two year old that will perk up around September -- or later.
You may recognize that this pattern was the foundation for sim-legend Stormy Prospector who was sired by Storm Bird directly, crossed with Proud Truth as dam-sire (Graustark line) and Caracolero.
I hear stamina young 'uns don't really start showing their abilities until early as 3 yo's . . . which means that by next winter Snow Storm may have a chance to strike . . . GOOD GRIEF. This game will take some patience!
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| 58 | cab
ID: 364551821
Sun, May 20, 09:57
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About breeding...I believe in the sim a horses birthday occurs in january(i think i read that somewhere)...Therefore breeding 2yo's in oct,nov,dec wouldn't be that wise...these new 2 yo's would turn 3 in jan with limited racing experience aginst more mature horses that have been bred earlier in the year..or doesn't the sim take this into account and everyone starts on a level playing field in jan?....I know in real life it is important to time the breeding right to coincide with hores birthdays...
BTW..thanks for the congrats Madman...i must have been writing my post when you posted yours...I only just noticed it while i was rereading all the threads again(hoping to pick up pointers that i may have missed!!)
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| 59 | Madman
ID: 29246911
Sun, May 20, 18:46
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My *guess* is that all horses of the same age in the sim are treated the same same. . . So if you breed a horse earlier in the year it shouldn't matter . . . but who knows.
I'm debating about whether or not to start another stable. The horses seem fairly picked over, but I've found 2 3 yo's that have better potential than any that I had ever found before. Just not enough of them to round out a stable. Sigh. The real reason I want to start yet another stable is that I don't think you can support more than 1-2 2 yo in a stable at this point in time, and I'd like to breed a few of these . . . But I also simply don't have time to manage this many horses. But then again, it would keep me from over-racing my horses, which I can already tell that I want to do . . .
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| 60 | Madman
ID: 29246911
Tue, May 22, 02:31
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I am a total loser. . . I couldn't resist. I went ahead and signed up for a new stable. *sigh*. This is my last one. Madman4.
The key is that I'm planning my horse races out, and I want to be one of those trainers to give their horses tons of rest. I also want to run 7-10 races per week. Thus, the conclusion that I needed a 4th stable. oh boy . . .
A quick refresher on the Madman3 draft that never was. . . Here were my 10 horses listed in order at the time:
1) Arctic Government -- blocked
2) Rakida's Plug -- 72, 79 1 win, 1 5th.
3) Agri Bomber -- 80, 77, 1 win, 1 second.
4) Land Mama -- 61 on 6fD
5) Northern View -- 74.4, 6fD
6) ???? 37828. Not raced.
7) Blood Waxing. 58 speed, 1 race.
8) Wrestling Jumper -- 58, 60 speed, both on turf.
9) Storm Earn. Unraced.
10) Mario Goof. Unraced.
11) December Jodie. 49.7 speed.
WOW. First off, it's too early to draw too many conclusions. I would have started Land Mama off on turf in Europe instead of dirt. Etc. However, I'm reasonably proud of my record here. I wish I knew if there were any horses running faster than 80 that were available at the time . . . I'm sure there were . . . At any rate, my rankings seem to have been pretty accurate so far.
And -- the reason I'm sharing this -- those were pretty good horses, IMO. I'm trying to remind us all that it's VERY HARD being A NEWBIE!
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With that said, I tried a new strategy with drafting horses. I put down 6 horses that I thought would be acceptable (after I get my stable, I will reveal these horses. Not that I don't trust you guys, but I don't know who might be lurking). I then added 2 MEDIOCRE horses, and left the last two slots open. . .
My mediocre horses?
#7 overall: 33075 a Hagley Mill x Society Max x Tom Tulle horse. Hagley Mill is a weak sire. But I wouldn't mind experimenting with a Society Max Dam-sire, since I think it might be a useful and cheap dam-sire in the game. Notice that all these lines had good to great sires . . .
#8 overall: 13044. Drunken Badger. Having gone to the University of Wisconsin, I couldn't resist this name! HA! Far out East x Proctor x someone I forget. Once again, two sires that have good to great sires . . .
I'm hoping that including these last two options will give me 4 of my first 5, as well as one of these last two . . . Or at least I'd rather have these horses than some stupid random computer pick . . .
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| 61 | Madman
ID: 29246911
Tue, May 22, 02:36
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BTW, I also am fully signed up for races. I plan to check in tomorrow evening or Wednesday to double-check. But I think I'm getting a feel for which races will be weaker, so I just went for it. If it works, I may do more of this in the future. I made the race entry process reasonably short -- took about an hour to go through and select 8 races -- and reset all my training for week options . . .
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| 62 | cab
ID: 364551821
Tue, May 22, 10:48
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Lol Madman....I was sooooooooo tempted to draft another stable on monday too,hopefully to have more horses running this week....I resisted however because i have some work to do with my golf team in the next few weeks...Ideally i would like to have 3-4 running each week without over-racing them...Maybe with a bit of management 2 will be enough...
Things do get a little bit harder once they have broken their maiden race i think..for me anyway...I've been trying to find a race for Carnival Clam(my claimer)....Have sorted 2 out that may be good options..A Str ALLW at Maine(7f dirt-$6200)and a stakes race in Montana(8f dirt-$20,000)The Maine track has a 85% chance of being off-which may suit him...Neither race has that many entered-yet,and i think Clam could be competitive in either one looking at the opposition so far...Snowchief recommended a str allw next but oh that purse in Montana looks tempting..lol..Will wait till tomorrow i guess and see what the entries look like and decide then...
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| 63 | StLCards
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ID: 2504849
Tue, May 22, 12:22
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I signed up early for my races. There have been 2 different weeks where I waited and then got busy and didn't get to make my selections before the deadline. Last week however was a miserable failure signing up early as some great horses entered after I did, and I was trampled. This week I hope to review the races and maybe change at the end.
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| 64 | Madman
ID: 29246911
Tue, May 22, 13:16
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Good call on that Montana Stakes race, Cab. You're making me really regret not putting a bid in for Clam Carnival. . . Actually, I didn't realize he was a 3 yo! Wow. That's a solid horse. The only competition (out of 6 runners) in that stakes race is Cat Storm, who will probably beat your guy, although that's not a sure thing (Cat Storm hasn't historically handled the distance, but he appears to be getting better). No one else of note is signed up for that race as their primary distance!
IMO, You HAVE to go for the Stakes race if you will finish 3rd or better (i.e., if only one more stud shows up). The reason has only a little to do with the money -- the main reason is that you get CPU Points! Placing in a stakes race would instantly put Clam Carnival up in front of 95% of 3 yo's to enter future stakes races. . . Of course that won't do a lot of good if he doesn't develop. But if he does develop, it would open the door that much wider. Check out the instructions to see how high he'd have to place to make it worth your while. Payouts are 60-25-8-5-2 . . .
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| 65 | Toral
ID: 1418917
Tue, May 22, 15:18
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Not much going on in the toral/larot stables this week. Biggest news was that cheap auction pickup Steadily With Hulk mangaed to sneak into 3rd in his cheap claimer, and then was claimed. Made about $5000 in the transaction! That's the way a claiming stable works. Let's see, I can compete with the superstables in money if I did this for...let's say, a few centuries?
Posts 58 and 59: officially every horse's birthday is Jan 1 in RL. (Only in the last decade or so did the Form start to note the horses' "real" birthdates.) But I would be very very surprised if the sim treated a horse born in Jan like one in Nov.
Congrats to Madman! I'm going to have a cigarette!
And...we're hoping in the Toral stable. Carson CityxSlew O'GoldxRelaunch went through. Just a matter of waiting. City O'Gold if a boy, Launch Carson if a girl. I do feel like a nervous father. Wherever he or she races first, I'm going down there in person to tell the jock (if it's someone like "Chop Chop" Chavez) not to use the whip on my kid....
Toral
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| 66 | Madman
ID: 29246911
Tue, May 22, 15:42
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LOL, Toral. I would've named the horse El Dorado :) . . .
I've called for the vets this weekend as well. The second and third gurupie foals will be coming into the game shortly. I do believe yours is the favorite for the honor of "First Gurupie Homebred to win a GI race", however. . .
Steadily with Hulk got snagged for 5K in a claim race? Geez. Someone was desperate (sorry). Although he might develop, there are a number of more attractive options out there, IMO. Maybe it was his age and experience (relatively unraced 3 yo) . . .
We're also racing to see who will have the first home-bred in a race. I've been told by veterans that my colt's "little grogginess" may disappear next week, so he should be able to go next week. Of course, your horse could be sharp or RTG naturally :). Let's just both hope that our foals don't come up Injured or Layoff for their initial conditions . . .
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| 67 | JKaye
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ID: 4711592917
Wed, May 23, 08:52
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OK, I just realized that looking at the sirelines for some horses, that I have yet to figure out exactly what that matrix of horses means. Could anyone help me here. I know that the Sire Line includes: the Sire, grand-sire, and two great-great grand sires(one on the dam side, the other on the sire side).
I assumed that the dam-sire line was the(from top to bottom): third great-great grandsire(father of dam-sire), great-great-great grand sire, and then I realized that I really just don't know.
Perhaps someone can use this horse:
A Sample Horse
And using this type of family tree, place the sires from the sample horse into their appropriate place in the family line. Family Tree
Hopefully its a fun little exercize for one of you to help this moron who can't figure it out;)
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| 68 | StLCards
Sustainer
ID: 2504849
Wed, May 23, 09:56
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JKaye,
Your links didn't work for me. I too have been confused about the lineage and even how best to utilize the information once I figure it out. I guess I had never looked at it that closely because I had always assumed it was straight male lines for the sire (top to bottom), but now I see it has dam-sire there at no. 3. Here I was thinking the Dam's Sire was the first one under Dam's-sire (column 2). Now I realize you are probably right. I now have to look at horses in a whole new way. No wonder I have'nt chosen wisely. I too would like to see the breakdown. (you might need to check your links as they didn't work for me) I found the problem with your links they have an extra http:/ in them. Here are the links A Sample Horse
and Family Tree
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| 69 | cab
ID: 364551821
Wed, May 23, 10:54
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It sure would enlighten me too...It is pure guesswork on my part when selecting horses...
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| 70 | Toral
ID: 394452312
Wed, May 23, 13:08
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SSHR is not opening up on my computer, using Netscape 4.6. Anyone else having this problem? But I had to find another computer to enter my horses, so I might as well try to assist with the lineage enquiry.
My advice: go to Misc/Articles/Simulated Lineage. Print out Silver Charm's lineage. The link to Silver Charm's traditional pedigree no longer works, so go to Del Mar Pedigree Page
Make a Horse Query for Silver Charm. Nothing may seem to happen, but at the left margin, scrolling down to the bottom, a little box of Silver Charm info appears. Click on 4x pedigree and print it out. Then compare with SSB pedigree.
I think the key is to read down from the columns.
You will see: column 1: Silver Charm's sire is Silver Buck. Silver Buck's sire was Buckpasser. Silver Buck's dam sire (his mother's father) dam sire was Hail to Reason. Silver Buck's sire's sire (and therefore Silver Charm's grandfather) was Tom Fool.
Column 2: Silver Charm's dam sire (his mother's father) was Poker. Poker's sire was Round Table. Poker's dam sire was Nasrullah. Poker's sire's sire was Princequillo.
Column 3: Silver Charm's dam's damsire (i.e., his mother's mother's father) was Wise Margin. Wise Margin's sire was Market Wise. Wise Margin's dam sire and sire's sire take us right off the charts, so maybe you should have clicked on 5x from the beginning.
Clear as mud I hope.
Toral
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| 71 | Madman
ID: 29246911
Wed, May 23, 14:31
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This stuff is covered in the Sim Guide .
It's indeed confusing until you get used to it. Thus, I won't even attempt to explain it.
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| 72 | StLCards
Sustainer
ID: 2504849
Wed, May 23, 14:48
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I've looked at some of my horses lineages and here is what I make of it all. The top row lists the sire, dam-sire, and dam's dam sire. The sire of the example horse (twilight snowden) is Mr. Goldust. Mr. Goldust was bred with a broodmare (unkown) by Shamgo to get Twilight Snowden. The broodmares mother (also not named) had Roberto for a sire.
Going down each column the same format for each is used. It is based on the "horse" in the top line. Using the example, Mr. Goldust had a sire of Mr. Prospector. Mr. goldust's mother came from the sire Crepello(GB). Mr. Prospector had a sire of Raise a Native. The same foramt is used for the other two columns with the iformation being with respect to the "horse" at the top row of each column.
Hope this helps, maybe I can figure out how to put it into a table.
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| 73 | Madman
ID: 29246911
Wed, May 23, 16:36
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StLCards -- the Sim Guide has an example lineage converted into the table for you. I think it's in the "Reading Pedigree" article or something. . . It's even color coded :)
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| 74 | StLCards
Sustainer
ID: 2504849
Wed, May 23, 16:57
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I just read it Madman, thanks. Other good info in there as well.
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Post a reply to this message: (But first, how about checking out this sponsor?)
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