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0 Subject: Rotoguru I "Bush League"

Posted by: Shelby-villian
- [111412312] Sat, May 11, 2002, 09:12

Other thread has reached its purpose... The AI
manager indeed plays like a bush leaguer
with his substitutions.
Super-lefty-killer-pinch-hitter-big-hurt frank
thomas has made exactly *zero* pinch hit
appearances preferring to use my designated
pinch runner Corey Patterson instead. Grrr...
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30Shelby-villian
      ID: 111412312
      Thu, May 16, 2002, 11:48
Erik, I'm very proud of my team these last
couple weeks. My team has had so many
multiple series injuries to starters but they do
the little things that have kept me winning. I
don't feel as if losing one or two key players
will prevent me from winning.

Virtually none of my players are on the
individual stats leader but with good defense
and good speed, I generate and prevent
enough runs to get the job done.
31Erik B.
      ID: 239592612
      Thu, May 16, 2002, 12:22
TD:

Your talk bores me.

SV:

Again, nice work.

Toral:

Key usage of the word "augurs."

-ESB
32Mariomaniac
      ID: 1143418
      Thu, May 16, 2002, 13:24
SV - my biggest worry was to keep McGuire and Thomas on your bench. Green is a stud, Cruz is OK, but other than that your power guys will be watching instead of playing. As long as the ball stays in the park (and in Comerica they usually do) my top flight defense should be able to keep the games close.

Offensively I only have 4 lefties to counter your all RH rotation, but Dye, Pudge and Cabrera all hit righties better anyway. Hopefully, I can get the running game going against your third string catcher.

Should be a great series. I need two out of three to even our records. I think it can be done.
33Mariomaniac
      ID: 1143418
      Fri, May 17, 2002, 08:44
Maniacs take a big two out of three against the Shelby-villians! Could've been a sweep if my set-up men had been effective, I had the lead heading into the eighth inning of each game. But I'll take the pair.
34Shelby-villian
      ID: 111412312
      Fri, May 17, 2002, 12:50
Good series Maniac, I got the Miller part right
with him shutting us out. =) I wish the
manager strategy was a bit more detailed as I
would have liked to play McGwire that game.

Lost another player to injuries, this is getting
tiresome. I'm constantly juggling lineups trying
to patch things together, I don't think I've had
my starting lineup for the last month.

Foulke is really starting to annoy me. He lost
me the second game and for his price is just
not worth it.
35Erik B.
      ID: 239592612
      Fri, May 17, 2002, 13:06
SV:

Welcome to the Big Leagues. If it were EASY to manage your team, where would the fun be? The Dodgers, meanwhile, just returned to full health, and continue to be the dominant team in its division.

-ESB
36Shelby-villian
      ID: 111412312
      Fri, May 17, 2002, 13:58
Next injury I hope Foulke take a dive for 15
days so I can justify dropping him. =\
37Toral
      Sustainer
      ID: 2111201313
      Mon, May 20, 2002, 07:13
[Borrowing the theme song of Buffalo in the laste '70s and the Bills under Chuck Knox.]

Buffalo's got the spirit!
Talkin' proud, talkin' proud,
Listen up and hear it,
Talkin' proud, talkin' proud,

With the best char-ac-ter players
Ever playin' today
You can just reach out and feel it,
Talkin' proud,
Talkin' proud,
Talkin' Proud!

{Reprise as many times as necessary)

Toral
38Mariomaniac
      ID: 1143418
      Tue, May 21, 2002, 08:47
Well Erik, your Dodgers look like the class of the league after they took 2 out of 3 from my revamped Maniac team. Although the Maniacs once again blew a late inning lead in Game 1. Seems the manager left Tim Hudson in a couple of hitters too long, which is a shame because my setup men were ready to come in and shut the door.

About the game overall, I take back my earlier comment that perhaps the 80% release rule is too harsh. It IS possible to improve your team despite the penalty, while at the same time it rewards those who chose a more complete team at the start. Keep it the way it is.

It seems the biggest complaint I've seen on the b-boards, and one that I agree with, is the computer manager's use of the bullpen. Not so much with the closer (Nelson has only come in during save situations for me, which is what I expected when I set him on Maximize.) but with the set-up men. A lot of people (myself included) apparently chose to try a righty-lefty combo using two setup men. Unfortunately, the game does not accomodate for this often enough.

Also, the reasoning behind when the computer will pull the starting pitcher has never been very clear. How much difference is there in the different levels of aggressiveness? In Game 1, Hudson (on a Normal setting) definitely was in one hitter too long, and if I had been managing he may have been pulled for my setup men right at the start of the eighth. On the other hand, if I had set the starters to Conservative, would he have even made it out of that 4 run 1st inning? If there were a way to give more specific directions involving your bullpen, especially when working with a lead, I think it would be worthwhile to pursue it.

The rest of the game is great. Keep up the good work, and WATCH OUT! The Maniacs will be back!
39Erik B.
      ID: 239592612
      Tue, May 21, 2002, 10:48
All fair comments.

Unfortunately, the sim is the part that we have the least control over. Though already discussions have started about making substitution patterns more complicated.

We're building a Strat-O-Football game, and the biggest (and best) debates that we've had so far have been about giving users as much managerial control as possible.

The Dodgers are proud of their record, but also lucky. My division has made stars of Higginson and T. Clark because it lacks great lefty pitching. In other leagues, this line-up would have produced a .500 club -- but them's the breaks!

-ESB
40Mariomaniac
      ID: 1143418
      Tue, May 21, 2002, 12:02
Wow, I would think Strat-O football would be a difficult undertaking. Football is much more a coaching-oriented game than baseball is manager-oriented. In baseball the choices are fairly simple and repetitive while the results are complex and varied, while in football the choices are much more complex and the results are more simple. Football also has a time element that adds to the complexity.

Personally, I've never enjoyed those games where you plug in tendency percentages for the playcalling and watch the computer play out a game. I'd much rather be the off/def coordinator and call the plays myself. So if the game is similar to baseball I don't see myself playing it, but I hope it works out for you.
41Erik B.
      ID: 239592612
      Tue, May 21, 2002, 12:37
Well, here's the gist of the game:

1) You draft WRs, TEs, RBs, QBs, an OL, a special team, a Defensive Line, Linebackers (in a group) and DBs.

2) You choose a "basic playbook." One will be the Run-N-Gun, one will be Smashmouth (Two TEs), one will be a West Coast Offense, etc.

3) You will have the opportunity to weight long passes, short passes, medium passes, off-tackle runs, inside runs and wide-runs.

4) You will have the opportunity to select certain players for certain types of plays. (You can weigh more inside runs for Alstott, short passes and wide-runs for Dunn).

5) You can set your depth chart.

6) On defense you can double-team players, set blitzing preferences, decide the degree to which you have a LB tracking a QB, decide the degree to which your defense will "react" to the offense's formation, etc.

7) There will be a fatigue factor -- a RB who runs the ball 20+ times will start to be less effective.

8) On both offense and defense, you will be able to change your strategy if you're up by X points, or down by Y points.

Now, here's the key -- we will run one quarter per night. So we see this game as very chess-like. A key to winning will be the ability to predict what your opposition is doing, and to surprise them, and to balance your resources (deciding when to use your stud runningback will be a huge issue).

Thoughts on this? Feedback? We think this game will be outstanding, and will actually force you to make many, many more decisions than Strat-O-Baseball.

-ESB
42tduncan
      ID: 423452813
      Tue, May 21, 2002, 13:25
Another sweep... too bad The Dodgers are just not losing enouth to give me a chance.

About football:

I like the idea of the querter per day thing. Football is all about ajustments during the game.

My only suggestion is to try and get as many strategy and playbook decisions as possible, becuase you can't really get enouth. The more control you have on your team, the better the game will be.

And I think it will be better to get all players as individuals, even the O-Linesman and defesive players. That way there will be more flexibillity for someone who wants, for example, to create as perfect O-Line, or to combine Brooks, Lewis and Urlacher for a monster LB crew.
43Erik B.
      ID: 239592612
      Tue, May 21, 2002, 14:20
TD:

I guarantee you that the Dodgers will go cold (someday). Stick with me mid-season, hope for an injury, and you just might have a chance.

As far as football's concerned -- the game, itself, does not allow OLs, DBs, DLs, and LBs to be split up, though I agree with your sentiment. The thought, here, is that people tend to think about these things as units anyway. And yes, I agree with you -- the more control the better, though we're not going to get to a play-by-play level anytime soon.

-

-ESB
44Purple Pimp
      ID: 3638300
      Wed, May 22, 2002, 03:05
Wow, i Finally Swept someone.. Im really thinking about trading stewart or releasing him. I know he will go cold hes batting .388 and most likely will finish year around 320 330
45Mariomaniac
      ID: 1143418
      Wed, May 22, 2002, 09:13
Ugh, 13 hits TOTAL in 3 games against the (formerly) worst pitching team in the league. Wonder what the odds are on that performance!

Gloom, despair and agony for me.....If it weren't for bad luck I'd have no luck at all....
46Shelby-villian
      ID: 111412312
      Wed, May 22, 2002, 12:10
I'm kind of on cruise control right now, all my
players healthy again. Foulke has been doing
alright, hitting been decent...

I just got to keep doing what I'm doing.
47Toral
      Sustainer
      ID: 2111201313
      Thu, May 23, 2002, 09:22
The press is waiting for a statement from L. A. Dodger brass but all we hear from inside their closed locker room is the sound of silent sobbing.

Toral
48Toral
      Sustainer
      ID: 2111201313
      Thu, May 23, 2002, 09:23
Whoops...Brooklyn Dodger brass :)
49Erik B.
      ID: 239592612
      Thu, May 23, 2002, 10:37
The Dodgers are pleased to see that some team -- any team -- could put three games together against them. It's the first time it's happened all year, and it happened without my all-star catcher (Posada), who's out for another five games. I'm expecting a losing record until he gets back, but thems the breaks.

-ESB
50tduncan
      ID: 423452813
      Fri, May 24, 2002, 05:17
Another sweep by Maccabi Kiriat Gat puts them only 2 games behind the Brooklyn Dodgers. The teams meet tonight for a big momentum series in the strong east division.

It's almost midseason, anyone feels like coming up with suggestions for awards/AS game lineups? I will post mine later today.
51Erik B.
      ID: 239592612
      Fri, May 24, 2002, 10:52
GM of the Year: ESB

The Dodgers are just hoping to go 1-2, riding out the last of the Posada injury. Should be possible with Pedro and Oswalt going up against scrubs.

-ESB

52Toral
      Sustainer
      ID: 2111201313
      Mon, May 27, 2002, 08:08
Holy Mackeral. Kudos to the Smithton Maniacs, built to be a defence/one-run-game winner team. What a series they had! Bisons held to 5 hits in 3 games -- only 1 hit in the last two games combined -- which means, if you stop to calculate, that there must have been a --

Congrats to Wade Miller for tossing a no-hitter against us.

This should be an interesting pennant race in the West.

Toral
53Mariomaniac
      ID: 1143418
      Tue, May 28, 2002, 14:10
Yeah, that was quite the series, Toral, and it couldn't have come at a better time. The Bisons were on the verge of blowing the West division race wide open.

These one-run games are starting to drain on me. Still leaving too many men on base. Trying to find a pure slugger to knock some guys in.
54Shelby-villian
      ID: 111412312
      Tue, May 28, 2002, 16:08
The Shelby-villian's major midseason free
agent acquistion is paying off. Giambi has
sparked a 7 game winning streak with no end
in sight. Newcomer Jamey Wright is showing
some toughness, 2-0 .98 WHIP.

Maniacs, sent you a message, hope we can
get something worked out soon.
55tduncan
      ID: 423452813
      Wed, May 29, 2002, 08:03
Maccabi Kiriat Gat had no less then 48 (!) hits in the 3 game series against the Dodgers. Thats gotta be some kind of a record.
56tduncan
      ID: 423452813
      Wed, May 29, 2002, 08:10
Eric Chavez' with a monster seires:

7-15, 6 HR, 14 RBI.

That includes a 3 HR/10 RBI game.
57Mariomaniac
      ID: 1143418
      Wed, May 29, 2002, 08:50
I believe Chavez tied the MLB record of 5 HR in two games.

Somebody break up the Shelby-villians. My Maniacs have won 8 of their last 10 and still lost two games in the overall standings!

Despite being outscored by 43 runs on the year, the Maniacs continue to show grit by taking 2 of 3 from the Reys to move 2 games above .500. How long can they hold on?
58Mariomaniac
      ID: 1143418
      Wed, May 29, 2002, 09:51
tduncan, where's your mid-season all-star team? Here's mine:

Starting Pitchers
L-Mulder, M. S7* 13-4 3.01 ERA 1.27 WHIP
R-Martinez, P. S7 11-4 3.22 ERA 1.12 WHIP
R-Oswalt, R. S6/R3 10-3 3.77 ERA 1.10 WHIP
L-Johnson, R. S7* 11-7 3.87 ERA 1.34 WHIP
R-Burkett, J. S6* 13-8 4.14 ERA 1.22 WHIP

Setup
R-Anderson, M. R1/C5 4-1 1 SV 3.09 ERA 0.77 WHIP
R-Dejean, M. R2/C1 7-3 1 SV 2.59 ERA 1.10 WHIP
L-Guthrie, M. R1/C0 6-1 1 SV 4.10 ERA 1.23 WHIP
L-Darensbourg, V. R1/C0 3-3 5 SV 3.75 ERA 1.25 WHIP

Closers
L-Fassero, J. R1/C3 2-1 16 SV 1.80 ERA 1.23 WHIP
L-Wagner, B. R1/C6 1-5 28 SV 3.59 ERA 1.07 WHIP
R-Kim, B. R2/C4 0-1 19 SV 3.27 ERA 0.96 WHIP
R-Nelson, J. R1/C3 1-3 24 SV 4.41 ERA 1.32 WHIP


Position Players
C-Piazza, M. 33 HR 68 RBI .332 .698 .393 1.092
1B-Helton, T. 29 HR 73 RBI .301 .626 .388 1.014
2B-Kent, J. 14 HR 54 RBI .319 .569 .399 .968
3B-Jones, C. 16 HR 55 RBI .330 .548 .415 .963
SS-Rodriguez, A. 31 HR 88 RBI .299 .601 .373 .975
LF-Higginson, B. 23 HR 80 RBI .330 .605 .407 1.012
CF-Cameron, M. 25 HR 62 RBI .287 .576 .391 .967
RF-Green, S. 20 HR 66 RBI .315 .545 .354 .899
DH-Sosa, S. 37 HR 88 RBI .335 .753 .402 1.154
59Shelby-villian
      ID: 111412312
      Wed, May 29, 2002, 11:58
Make that a 10 game streak. I guess the
Shelby-villians are a second half kind of team.
Tonight we go into Coors and I'm guessing 3
HRs by Big Mac. I'm facing 2 lefties so even
Frank Thomas gets in on the action.

Rickey is making all kinds of noise now, he
knows he won't be playing at Coors with Big
Mac in. Ever since the Giambi acquistion he
has been the odd man out. He is demanding
to start or be traded to a team that can use
him everyday. I hope this doesn't hurt the
clubhouse chemistry...
60Shelby-villian
      ID: 111412312
      Wed, May 29, 2002, 12:06
Ouch, vs. my series against the AssHunters,
Franco blew two saves, 7H, 4ER, 0IP. ERA
went from 2.63 to 5.67. He's been doing well
before that, just don't pitch him against the
Shelby's. =)
61Shelby-villian
      ID: 111412312
      Thu, May 30, 2002, 09:20
The hit parade continues, my hitters flexed
some muscle at Coors. Knocked out both
Penny and Unit in the first inning- they got a
combined 3 outs before getting yanked.
Giambi with a monster 3 HR, 2 HR in one
inning game. He is now *slugging* .927.

Rightfully claims first place in the league.
62Mariomaniac
      ID: 1143418
      Thu, May 30, 2002, 09:48
Very impressive, SV, that's quite a run! My boys are 10-3 the last 13 and we're still losing ground. But we're moving up in the West, now 1 game behind the Bisons with a big 3 game series looming tonight.

And the Maniacs have completed their retooling! After releasing Corey Koskie, who was only playing against RHP, and acquiring veteran pitcher David Cone and part-time slugger Chris Truby, the Maniacs completed only the second trade in Rotoguru I history. Power pitcher Tim Hudson and SS Carlos Guillen were shipped to the Indy Reds in exchange for SS Miguel Tejada and SP Todd Ritchie.

When asked about the deal, GM-Manager Mario Maniac said "We hate to trade away a young talent like Hudson, who's been exceptional for us this year, but we couldn't pass up the added pop that Tejada brings to our shortstop position, without a drop in fielding. We had an excess of quality pitching and we needed to part with some to improve our run production."

Immediately following the deal, the Maniacs released Ritchie and signed slugger Phil Nevin to man the vacant 3B position. "We've finally got the kind of beef we were looking for in the middle of the lineup," said Maniac. "I can't believe Nevin was still available this late in the year." When asked about Nevin's lack of fielding prowess, Maniac responded "I don't expect him to take his glove into the batter's box. Third base has a lower demand for fielding anyway."
63tduncan
      ID: 423452813
      Thu, May 30, 2002, 12:08
SV is on a run, but Maccabi Kiriat Gat has a few surprises waiting for them in Dodgers Stadium tonight.

My Allstar Team:

SP - Mark Mulder
SP - Pedro Martinez
SP - Mike Mussina
SP - Roy Oswalt
SP - John Burkett
RP - Billy Wagner
RP - B.H. Kim

C - Mike Piazza
1B - Todd Helton
2B - Jeff Kent
SS - Derek Jeter
3B - Chipper Jones
OF - Shanon Stewart
OF - Bobbby Higginson
OF - Brian Giles
DH - Sammy Sosa
64Erik B.
      ID: 239592612
      Thu, May 30, 2002, 12:22
Let's do a second-string all-star team:

Thome, Guerrero, etc. should have spots.

-ESB

65Toral
      Sustainer
      ID: 2111201313
      Thu, May 30, 2002, 13:00
Cameron needs to be on the 1st team -- and he's my only player I would say that about. He made our surge from last to (for the moment) first. Check his RBI total, batting leaqdoff.

Toral
66Shelby-villian
      ID: 111412312
      Thu, May 30, 2002, 21:42
tduncan- I have a special surprise for you too.
Let's see how our new acquisitions turn out. I
think I got basically the same player for 1.5 mil
less...

Maniacs- good luck with Nevin. He never really
fit in well with the Shelby's nor the Central
Division.
67Donkey Hunter
      Sustainer
      ID: 55220159
      Fri, May 31, 2002, 05:42
I would like to nominate Bret Boone for All Star second baseman. He has

15 Hr 41 RBI .325 .580 .361 .941 despite missing 41 games.

Although come to think of it I dont know if I wanna be the guy who has 3 all stars hitters and cant even break 500.

I also think A-Rod should be All-Star shortstop. He hit 6 home runs and had 11 RBI this most recent series to give his numbers a good boost. I keep hoping Sosa passes him in RBIs so he will have a shot at the triple crown.

While I am nominating things, I nominate all games should be played at Coors Field. I just outscored Kitchen 42-15 while sweeping them. Sosa hit 3 home runs in each of the first two games and Shinjo hit for the cycle in the first game.

68Mariomaniac
      ID: 1143418
      Fri, May 31, 2002, 10:26
The Maniacs take two out of three from the Bisons to move into a tie for 1st place in the West Division.

So far so good with the Nevin acquisition. Big Phil went 8-16 in the series, with 2 dingers, 5 runs scored and 6 RBI, leading the Maniacs to a respectable 30 runs in the series.

Miguel Tejada and David Cone where not as fortunate. Tejada went 0-12 while Cone was roughed up for 10 earned runs in just over 2 innings.

Bret Boone is a solid choice as All-Star 2B. If he performs in the 2nd half like he did in the first, he'll be on the end of the season team for sure.
69tduncan
      ID: 423452813
      Fri, May 31, 2002, 11:25
Maccabi Kiriat Gat cooled off the hot Villians, taking 2 out of 3 in Dodger Stadium.

Mike Mussina pitched a CG 5-hit shutout in the 2nd game of the series, setting the tone for another low scoring affeir in game 3.
70Shelby-villian
      ID: 111412312
      Fri, May 31, 2002, 12:01
Congrats Gats- I won the game I should have
won, you did the same. Unfortunately, I lost the
competively matched rubbergame. Ramon
Ortiz got a hard luck loss due to Giambi's 2
errors. Hate to lose the game on an error but
that's the price of having shaky D on the
corners.

BIG series tonight between the Shelby's and
the hated Dodgers. I really think I'm going to
sweep tonight- I feel it. Both teams have lost
their starting catcher, but I have a surprise
catcher acquistion planned for the lowly
Dodgers.
71Shelby-villian
      ID: 111412312
      Fri, May 31, 2002, 14:16
Hey Bisons- see you scavanged Richards
after I dropped him. If I knew you wanted him, I
would have probably taken Stevens and some
cash- would have saved both of some cap
room.

Oh well.
72Erik B.
      ID: 239592612
      Fri, May 31, 2002, 16:26
SV:

We're on tonight for the battle of the superstars. Get your game face on, buddy.

-ESB
73Mariomaniac
      ID: 1143418
      Fri, May 31, 2002, 17:07
Don't be afraid to pitch inside tonight guys, maybe even plunk a few guys. ;) Protect the plate!
74Shelby-villian
      ID: 111412312
      Sat, Jun 01, 2002, 07:47
Damn ESB- you were one out away from a
broom job... if Burkett could have only closed
the door. I will take my 2 victories from the
Dodgers although I deserved the sweep.

How'd you like new catcher acquistion? 3
HRs, 5 RBIs, and slugged 1.231. Lick your
wounds Dodgers, next time I see you is in the
playoffs... if you make it that far.
75Toral
      Sustainer
      ID: 2111201313
      Sun, Jun 02, 2002, 05:38
Wow! Them there Mariomaniacs kicked our asses up and down this great continent, and seem now to be some kind of scoring machine!

Hmmm....what to do now. Well, like Charlie Dressen said when managing the pathetic Senators in the 50s, when they were down say 7-2 late with the opponents coming up to bat, "Just hold 'em one inning boys -- I'll think of something."

Toral
76Mariomaniac
      ID: 484453122
      Sun, Jun 02, 2002, 08:46
No complaints here.
77Mariomaniac
      ID: 1143418
      Mon, Jun 03, 2002, 15:12
A question regarding ballpark homers: A lot of times the card will have a split result, for instance on a 1-10 roll the result may read

#HR 1-4
fly(lf)B 5-20

Does that mean the ballpark check only occurs on Home Run rolls? Or do you ignore ANY 1-10 result and check for a ballpark result?
78Purple Pimp At Work
      ID: 245912
      Tue, Jun 04, 2002, 12:54
Erik.... I was wondering if there is going to be some kind of discount for returning customers? also how does everyone feel about this league? Everyone willing to play another season after this?
79Erik B.
      ID: 239592612
      Tue, Jun 04, 2002, 13:06
Discounts and such will be coming once we understand the game a bit better, and consumer preferences. And though, I'm biased (at the top of my division, involved with the company), I'm having a blast.

-ESB
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