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Subject: SimRacing..The breeding files
Posted by: cab
- Donor [10541722] Sun, Jun 24, 00:29
I thought it would be a good idea to start a thread for the breeding side of things...A place to post hints and tips,cheap sires,good value sires,newly borns and their progress etc etc..I will also put some links in to any relevant sites that have been posted elsewhere(but all over the place and i can never find them!!)and some that are linked at the Sim..
As for my first attempt..This is sort of how i have gone about things...
First of all i decided on a sire/damsire...I am thinking of using Carnivalay(57 bp's, the last i looked)...For obvious reasons really!!..but when checking out horse entries etc i have come across a few horses with Carnivalay in the mix and most appear to be pretty solid horses(sp #s of 70-in the 90's),while not spectacular,solid enough..The next thing i did was look at the Breedersalert site at the sim and found out what would be good crosses with him(If you click on the sire it gives you a rundown of the sire and what would be good crosses)...Amongst them for Carnivalay were Miswaki,Fappiano,Cryptoclearance,Mr prospector,Diamond..Obviously to keep the cost under 100 bps (and get the bonus) i couldn't afford any of these sires, so i looked for progeny of the above sires...
One i came across was ROMO(cost 27bps)...Is ranked in the 63 in the wins/race standings in the sim and 49 in the earned/race rankings..There is one progeny (owned by zgreat i think) who has gone over 100sp..His sire is Miswaki btw(I know you are a fan of Miswaki Madman!!)
What are the thoughts on Romo as a sire..Has anyone come across him or looked at him?
That's how i have approached things so far..Am not real sure if that's the way to go about it though!..Obviously the more time you have to study things the more likely you will come up with a decent horse..
So anyway i have Romo x Carnivalay x (a dam damsire with the cost of less than 30 bps approx)..Any suggestions??
Some links..
Chef de race Stats etc..
Delmar Find the breeding,progeny etc of sires..
A couple from the sim links page...
Breed alerts
Aussie's breeding guide
"how to breed" ...A page from Wtracing's guide on how to breed a horse..
Those are a few i have looked at..There are probably a lot of others ..If you find them post the links!!...There is also bits and pieces of info from Madman and Toral spread throughout the other threads...I may try and find them and repost them here(If you guys don't mind!)if i can find time... |
| 1 | Madman
ID: 29246911
Sun, Jun 24, 13:40
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1) Endurance sires don't seem to work particularly well. You get a lot of plodders with them.
2) Speed sires, with endurance from the dam-side look like the way to go.
3) I like Romo. The only All-Star was cross bred with Caerleon, however, so chalk that one up to an awesome DDS. Romo has got some speed, so I'd lean endurance on the dam's side, although not exclusively. I'd have to research Carnivalay to see whether he fits well with Romo.
4) You probably should do a "Run through" breeding with the Sire and Dam-sires -- just to make sure that they are compatible. That is the biggest pain. When you go to Del Mar, check out the "progeny" and that will give you an idea when the sire was / is active, and thus give you an idea if the matches will work. However, I think the best bet is trial and error.
Like most parts of the sim, breeding is very unfriendly. And it takes time to get a good match.
5) Never breed a horse without some endurance and some serious speed. The Sim seems to reject those breedings that are all or nothing types.
Those are just some basic tips off the top of my head.
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| 2 | cab
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ID: 10541722
Sun, Jun 24, 14:23
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Hmmmmm...Thanks Madman...I may have to change my thinking...I have been trying to find a suitable Dam damsire for hours now!...I have been experimenting with the breeder...About 90% of the options i tried did not work but i found a few that did...What i was considering was if the homebred is going to be more of an endurance type(which i think a Romo x Carnivalay would be,i think!) maybe it would be better to breed a 3yo rather than 2yo?..The advantages being that you are going to be able to race them more often and it should be a lot easier to find longer races...I know that longer races are supposedly on the way but it is still going into the unknown a wee bit...Mainly to try and gather bps and stakes money(hopefully!) and then try and breed a decent 2yo later on in the year..
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| 3 | Madman
ID: 29246911
Sun, Jun 24, 15:23
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I definitely do NOT recommend breeding a 3 yo at this point, although it does depend on your stable needs. On July 1, the 3 yo only races will start to disappear, and presumably 2 yo's will start to be able to run on 3-4 weeks rest.
Basically, if you breed a 2 yo, you're going to have MUCH easier MSW races (or MC). Further, 2 yo restricted allowance races should start popping up with greater frequency.
Plus, if it's a bum horse, you can get more for a 2 yo in resale. If it's a stud, you'll get 1 more year's work out of it. If it's anything in between, you'll gain on both those issues to some extent.
If you are strictly trying to get breeding points, then I wouldn't breed at all. The best way to do that is to acquire 4-5 yo's and run them to heck. Check out the "rotciv" stables for what I consider an optimal way to get points. Notice the 4 claimers -- Jinx Understand, Rate Learn both low level claimers that slip under the radar, but score mega points. Babified Opossum and Diver J.B. are Starter Allowance types. The only race they haven't scored me breeding points has been when I experimented with them.
The 4 remaining original horses admittedly need some work. I'm doing a stable review of my own here in the near future -- trying to evaluate strategic goals and what-not. At any rate, I've had trouble getting the originals to score well lately, and I've either got to move them to claiming races, wait for the CPU value restricted allowances, or breed them away.
The 9th horse -- Snow Storm -- is a very promising Bargain Breed horse -- a 2 yo -- kind of like what you are doing here (I had trouble filling out what was then my 10th slot, so I snagged a $6 auction horse and bred him).
My point here is that the relative scoring difference between a 3yo and 2yo at this point is fairly small, especially given the relative competition levels. Remember that all new players get 3 yo's, but few get 2 yo's. So I don't see that changing anytime soon. You'll get 6 months of "sheltered "competition for your 2 yo -- 6 months in which to ride the winning streaks (in which case he'll be competitive as a 3 yo), or to try to recover your breed point losses before dumping him in January.
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| 4 | Madman
ID: 29246911
Sun, Jun 24, 15:33
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Hmmm. I just checked out the dosages in Romo and Carnivalay. I underestimated the endurance in Romo from Green Dancer's line. Carnivalay is almost a pure sprinter as far as the sim goes.
Romo reflects about what I consider the perfect balance in the whole lineage. Also notice that you're going to have 2x4 (I think) inbreeding with the Northern Dancer line with that hypo mating (Try RomoxHeidis Hero for one example at Del Mar -- that would be with Spectacular Bid as D-D-S). I don't think that sort of in-breeding is a problem in the sim. But I'd try to get away from Norther Dancer some for DDS, just to hold true a bit to the sim. . . Or you could go directly for it, and test the inbreeding issues :) It's your hombred :).
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| 5 | Chris
ID: 235563022
Sun, Jun 24, 15:51
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hey Madman, if you are still around, can you come into the chatroom?
Thanks a bunch.
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| 6 | Madman
ID: 29246911
Mon, Jun 25, 00:25
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Chris -- I've been trying to login for about 30 minutes, and no luck. Sorry.
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| 7 | cab
Donor
ID: 10541722
Sun, Jul 01, 05:32
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Well i went ahead and put in for my first homebred.. Romo x Carnivalay x Variety road
Cost 46 bps..(i saw that it may take 3 weeks...is the cost at the time of submission or when the horse is bred?..)
His/her name will be Mooralay variety...Not very exciting but it was the best i could come up with...
Here's hoping he/she can at least run half decently!!
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| 8 | JKaye, Guru Jr.
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ID: 4711592917
Sun, Jul 01, 11:24
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Quick question: How many breeding points do all of your stables have? Just wondering because the Points YR value is VERY different from my actual Pts value for jkaye. It seems odd, so I wanted to get an idea of how many everyone else had.
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| 9 | cab
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ID: 10541722
Sun, Jul 01, 12:42
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When you are given your stable you get 20 bps to start with ..I have 66 total(Cab) but have earned only 46 of them...In all your stables it should be a difference of 20(unless you spent some to breed a horse)...I assume that "points earned/yr" are reset every year?
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| 10 | JKaye, Guru Jr.
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ID: 4711592917
Sun, Jul 01, 14:47
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OK, so how do I have over 20 more than what I have earned so far?
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| 11 | Madman
ID: 29246911
Sun, Jul 01, 15:31
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JKaye -- Mike gave a huge 250 point bonus to stables earlier this year. Maybe you were early enough for that?
Given all his problems the last few months, I think we deserve a few free BP's for putting up with everything so nicely. This raceout.zip stuff is pretty absurd, IMO.
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| 12 | JKaye, Guru Jr.
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ID: 4711592917
Sun, Jul 01, 15:38
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Wow, I guess I did get the 250 bonus. That seems kind of unfair?
Well, I am breeding my first horse, and I plan to use at least half of my BP. Thinking about getting as many chef-de-races in as possible, while finding decently cheap offspring of those horses.
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| 13 | StLCards
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ID: 3505622
Sun, Jul 01, 16:06
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250 bonus BP pts? that seems like an awfully high number. How is that fair? That's like getting extra trades in SW. Of course if I had received the bonus pts I would look at it a bit differently. I wondered how you were able to breed horses already. It will probably take me the whole year to earn 250 BP.
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| 14 | Madman
ID: 29246911
Sun, Jul 01, 16:29
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StLCards -- I haven't gotten any breeding points for free, if that makes you feel any better. I've only bred 3 horses so far. Two of them cost 28 points exactly, and the third cost 49. He (Sutter's Creek) is going to run next week. Crossing fingers . . .
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| 15 | StLCards
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ID: 3505622
Sun, Jul 01, 16:47
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I didn't realize you could breed for so cheap. I guess maybe I've progressed far enough to look into breeding at this point. If I start researching it now, hopefully I can be educated enough in a few weeks to make an attempt at it. I'm very impressed with your success with the SIM so far Madman.
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| 16 | Madman
ID: 29246911
Sun, Jul 01, 16:59
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Well, I think I've stalled a bit lately, StL. This last week was horrible. And I've been hit with some injuries and weird things -- like the 7 speed last week.
I'm definitely changing tactics from here on out -- I'm going hard-core into claiming races, and bottom-feeding. I've been protecting my 3 yo's. But afte 4 races, if they haven't shown me anything, they're gone.
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| 17 | Madman
ID: 29246911
Sun, Jul 01, 17:02
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And I should note that you can't expect a 28 point horse to become a graded stakes winner.
My logic is that I wanted to experiment a bit before I go in for the big bucks. And now seemed like as good of a time as any.
I'm pretty sure my best 28 point breed -- Snow Storm -- will improve enough to be in the 80's or 90's by next year. And that's probably about as good as you can hope for from a 28 pointer. I mean, you could get very lucky . . .
But I do think you can breed decent horses (of the quality of many of our drafted horses) with minimal outlays of breeding points. But it takes a lot of work to find the cheap and quality sires -- and also to make sure that they "fit" together.
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| 18 | JKaye, Guru Jr.
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ID: 4711592917
Sun, Jul 01, 18:32
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I have done a LOT of research in determing what to breed. Looking at chef-de-races, and the DP of various combinations, I came up with:
North Prospect(26)xCalacolero(35)xHail to Reason(63).
This produces a horse with a DP of 34(11-3-17-2-1). My thinking is that I get the brilliant/classic speed of a Mr. Prospector progeny, with a stamina influence from the dam side(Madman has hinted that this is a good idea several times) by using Calacolero who I found while searching around is a Graustark horse, with influence from Ribot and Prince John which adds stamina to the mix. The dam's dam sire Hail to Reason is a chef-de-race himself, and came pretty cheaply at 63 BP and adds a balance of speed and stamina.
The name I chose was Prospector's Turn. Hopefully the horse will be a good one, and it cost only 46 points to breed.
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| 19 | JKaye, Guru Jr.
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ID: 4711592917
Sun, Jul 01, 18:51
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A more expensive match is Gold Ruler(43)xSlewpy(51)xSunday Silence(190).
Same thoughts as previous horse, with Gold Ruler being a Mr. Pros progeny. Slewpy is Seattle Slew(duh) progeny, which brings a similar influence than that of Mr. Prospector. Sunday silence is more expensive obviously, but he is my favorite horse, and the idea of the game is to have fun and I would love to have a Sunday Silence horse.
Also--I mentioned my friend's horse that ran 98 first time out. That horse was Sunday SilencexSlew the Coup, so hopefully the combo of Sunday Silence and a Seattle Slew horse works again; this time with the addition of Mr. Prospector speed.
Silence is Golden costs 189 BP, and has a DP of 28(15-3-10-0-0). Clearly bred to sprint, sprint, sprint.
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| 20 | Madman
ID: 29246911
Sun, Jul 01, 20:29
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JKaye-- I like Caracolero. He's the DDS of Stormy Prospector -- one of the winningest horses in Sim history. I used Caracolero in Stark Secret. My mistake with Secret Society (my first homebred) I think was a lack of speed. At any rate, Secret Society just can't get un-groggy, so he's only raced one time. AAARGH.
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| 21 | Madman
ID: 29246911
Sun, Jul 01, 20:30
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Oops. That should say I used Caracolero with Stark Secret (and Society Max). WAYYYY too much endurance, so I'm worried that my horse will just be a plodder.
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| 22 | JKaye, Guru Jr.
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ID: 4711592917
Mon, Jul 02, 12:13
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Busy week in the paddocks.
jkaye1 and sunday89 have enough for a cheap horse each, so they will get it.
jkaye1 gets: Vague Whisper, DP 32(12-7-12-0-1)
Secret Claim(48)xLil Fappi(35)xVagaries(10)--cost 44 BP.
I am not too creative in breeding, so once again I went with a Mr. Prospector horse(his line is just too good to pass on). 3 horses, 3 Mr. Pros, with the dam sires being Bold Ruler, Northern Dancer, and now Secretariat. Lil Fappi is by Fappiano a solid speed horse, and Vagaries by Vaguely Noble adds stamina from the dam's dam sire side.
sunday89: Broke Night, DP 22(9-3-8-1-1)
Shadow in the Dark(16)xStark Broker(20)xBold Commander(17)--cost 22 BP.
A super cheapie. Shadow in the Dark breaks my streak of Mr. Prospector horses foaling my guys, but Mr. Prospector does show up here as the Dam-sire on the sire line. Seattle Slew is a similar influence to Mr. Prospector, and is the sire to Shadow in the Dark. The dam sire line features stamina with Graustark and Ribot, and the dam's dam sire line adds a little more speed.
Well, I'm donw breeding for a while. 4 horses in 2 days. Breeding is more fun than I thought. But it does take a lot of research.
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| 23 | Madman
ID: 29246911
Mon, Jul 02, 13:21
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Shadow in the Dark was recommended to me a long time ago at the Breed Alerts page. Interesting to see how he does.
I put Stark Broker on my list of endurance dam's, but passed on him for some reason (can't remember why).
Good luck. As i said elsewhere, our Gurupie homebreds are pathetic at the moment. Although I haven't checked out Fletch's stables. . .
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| 24 | cab
Donor
ID: 10541722
Sun, Jul 08, 03:09
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A stork flew by today and dropped a baby into the Cab stable..:) He is a little groggy so won't be racing for a wee while yet...The horse i sacrificed "needed rest" when i bred him...I wonder if that made a difference?
As a matter of interest, what cpu value did your homebreds have when they were first born?...Mooralay variety has a cpu of a touch over 95k...I did read somewhere that homebreds are way overvalued until they run their first race(to give owners the option of putting them in auctions and not pay exorbitant taxes i think)..
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| 25 | JKaye
ID: 141192417
Sun, Jul 08, 08:48
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It is a happy day for my stables!
2 young fillies--Silence is Gold and Broke Night, and 1 colt Vague Whisper are now members of my various stables. All are doing well and are Ready to Go!
I can't wait to race them this weekend. And I still have 1 more--Prospector's Turn--on the way.
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| 26 | JKaye
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ID: 11117817
Sun, Jul 08, 08:58
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Oops--I didn't even notice. Prospector's Turn is there and is a RTG! 2 yo filly.
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| 27 | Madman
ID: 29246911
Sun, Jul 08, 15:21
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The CPU values of bargain breeds will actually increase substantially after racing them. Go figure.
My first time newbie, Sutter's Creek, ran a 28 and limped home. Always great to get a horse hurt on first trial.
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| 28 | Fletch
ID: 4467614
Mon, Jul 09, 11:16
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Well. I got tired of looking at all of those b.p.'s in my stables, and decided to find a good cheap homebred that put up decent first time numbers. I came across the following combination in a horse that posted a 65 on its first try:
GRAPE TREE ROAD(GB)(22)X PETERSBURG (32) X RUTHIE'S NATIVE (42)
Here are the names of my new squad. And surprisingly, two of them came into my stable Sharp :)
glkfarms: Fletch Lives(GB)
fletchfarm: Fletch's Fame(GB)
ffarm: Fletch's Fury(GB)
flfarm: Ferocious Fletch(GB)
flefarm: Fast Fletch(GB)
clairefarm: Fletch Me A Bone(GB)
nagsrus: Fletch Me A Beer(GB)
nagsrus1: Fletch My Slippers(GB)
I have half of them sprinting on dirt, and half on turf, so we shall see what comes out of it.
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| 29 | JKaye
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ID: 4711592917
Mon, Jul 09, 11:59
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You have the same horse 8 times?
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| 30 | Fletch
ID: 4467614
Mon, Jul 09, 12:02
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Well. Same breeding :).
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| 31 | Madman
ID: 29246911
Mon, Jul 09, 13:32
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If a Grape Tree Road progeny is better on dirt than turf, I'll be shocked.
I dunno. Limeteen's Grape Tree Road has struggled. But minnasoto's did reasonably well as a 2 yo (unraced as a 3 yo). Not sure who you copied, but there's a chance for success. Sire is endurance heavy, so I'd be a bit scared of a plodder, but you have Danzig in the DS line, and other speed, so maybe you can get some zip from there.
Assembly-line breeding . . . . Hmmm.
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| 32 | Fletch
ID: 4467614
Mon, Jul 09, 15:22
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Assembly Line breeding pro's: Learn pretty quick what the preferences are. Learn pretty quick what the limitations are.
Assembly Line breeding con's: What if they all suck?
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| 33 | Madman
ID: 29246911
Mon, Jul 09, 16:34
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Actually, I don't think you learn any faster what the preferences are. As I understand it, basically Mike draws a random number out of a hat for each new homebred. And, depending on what the lineage's propensities are and what that random number is, the progeny will then take on that characteristic. Thus, even if all 4 turf races are great and all 4 dirt races suck, this doesn't mean that the turfers still don't need a dirt try or that the dirt runners would improve with a turf try.
I think you will learn what the limitations of a particular sire are, however. With 8 draws, if the combo has any reasonable chance to succeed, you'll probably get at least 1 runner. I would bet. This is actually why the more I look at things, the more I like the idea of bargain breeding. I think the probability of getting a Storm Cat x Mr. Prospector x Danzig winner isn't as large as everyone thinks . . . The only deal is that if you actually do get a very good random number with that combo, you'll have an excellent chance at a GI winner.
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| 34 | StLCards
ID: 417433018
Sat, Sep 01, 02:19
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Trying to find bargain horses to breed (less than 100BP total) is next to impossible IMO. Where the heck do I find when the sires, dam-sires, dd-sires were breeding? I guess the bday of the sire has to fall within the range the dam-sire was breeding and the dam-sire must fall within the breeding time of the dam-dam-sire? It's hard enough just to find three cheap horses for under 100BP, but then to make them all fit is ridiculous. On my first attempt I think my sire was even older than the dam-sire, and dam-dam sire, LOL. There needs to be some kind of program that I can select a sire, and then have a drop down list or something of "possible" dam-sires, and then another list of valid dam-dam-sires. So far I can't even find the breeding dates. This is not fun! I just want a baby and I can't have one, boo hoo hoo!!
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| 35 | Toral
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ID: 447461620
Sat, Sep 01, 08:34
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I used the progeny query from the Del Mar site link to research dates. It doesn't give you a time period for each horse (1980-90 or whatever) but lists all their progeny with dates. It's real difficult to find the right combination of sites with bargain sires; one horse I wanted to use apparently only had one crop, which made things quite difficult.
Toral
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| 36 | StLCards
ID: 417433018
Sat, Sep 01, 11:54
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I think I might have messed this up. I bred a horse for 49BP and I only have 49BP total. I assumed I had enough pts since in the beginning it was telling me I didn't have enough pts, but after a horse went down 2BP then I did. The problem I see is that I had a horse entered this week in a race that cost 1BP to send him there. Does that 1 BP get subtracted when you are accepted into the race or after the weeks results? This could make a huge difference to me. I assume I'm allowed to get to 0BP?
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| 37 | Toral
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ID: 447461620
Sat, Sep 01, 12:06
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You're OK. You don't actually *lose* a BP; it's subtracted from any points you earn. If your horse finishes last, you lose nothing.
Nice work to get the horse at the price you needed. What's the breeding, or should I wait for the birth announcement?
Toral
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| 38 | StLCards
ID: 417433018
Sat, Sep 01, 12:10
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Breeding is King's Theatre x Secnic(IRE) x Geiger Counter (total cost = 99/2 = 49). Has Sadler's Well's influence in both the sire and dam-dam-sire line and Mr. Prospector in the dam-sire. One can only hope.
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| 39 | StLCards
ID: 417433018
Sat, Sep 01, 12:14
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oops thats scenic(ire)
stupid $#$# keyboard.
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| 40 | Toral
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ID: 447461620
Sat, Sep 01, 12:55
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Looks good. Hopefully will be as good or better as Theatre Counter #46887 -- King's Theatre x Geiger Counter x Dancing Dissident. You got a good deal too -- your combo costs 135 today.
Toral
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| 41 | StLCards
ID: 417433018
Sat, Sep 01, 13:10
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I want to try breeding another horse as well, but I want to try it with a mare of good breeding. It looks like you can get a great deal that way, however, trying to get the mare is a real problem. I went through all the mares (manually) this week that were up for claimers and found 1 cheapie ($2K) that had Pleasant Colony as a sire. A $10K claimer had Miswaki. Other than that there was squat out there. Looked all through the auction horses and nothing affordable there either. I have a couple of 5yo mares with good breeding that I might use later on if they can't cut it at the allowance level. Would prefer to snag one on claims though.
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| 42 | StLCards
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ID: 417433018
Sat, Sep 01, 20:40
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Cab,
Thanks for the sire search link in the week 1138 thread. I started out primarily by using an Austrailian based site as it had a lot of good info there. link
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| 43 | StLCards
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ID: 417433018
Sat, Sep 01, 20:42
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With all that inbreeding in the horse I'm tryin g for I think I should only race it in Arkansas or the deep south ;-)
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| 44 | StLCards
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ID: 417433018
Tue, Sep 25, 00:38
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Apparently my first breeding attempt didn't go through, so I resubmitted and got the new 2yo colt Ally's King within 2 days (same breeding as above). Came into the world a little groggy. Hopefully he recovers fast. Always anxious to race the new horses to see what they've got.
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| 45 | StLCards
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ID: 417433018
Thu, Oct 11, 01:57
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I put in another bargain breed today. Went with Definite Article x Damister x Captain Courageos for somewhere around 28BP's. I didn't find any Definite Article progeny using the SSS, but in RL he seems to be a hot sire. We'll see how well that translates.
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| 46 | StLCards
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ID: 2504849
Fri, Nov 02, 2001, 16:24
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Since Madman is breeding some horses I thought what the heck. My newest breeding request is another bargain breed. Tamayaz x Danzig Dancer x Logical. Total was about 24 BP's. Will this be the one? ya never know.
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| 47 | Madman
ID: 68361122
Fri, Nov 02, 2001, 17:46
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My horse (American Mint):
Quiet American x Key to the Mint x Cure the Blues
I was going to use Cure the Blues with Gone West with Madman4, but someone else used up his last DDS usage. :(
Guess that's the new world of breeding, eh?
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| 48 | Madman
ID: 68361122
Fri, Nov 02, 2001, 23:56
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Just did two more. Hopefully one of these three turns into a stud:
Madman4: Eliminated Buda U.
Key West: Gone West x Key to the Mint x Stop the Music (376)
Madman999: Eliminated Burglar Wanting.
Miswaki Music: Miswaki x Stop the Music x Key to the Mint (301) (I couldn't afford this with K2M as DS)
(repeat of post 47)
Rotciv: Eliminated Splash Monte.
American Mint: Quiet American x Key to the Mint x Cure the Blues (234 or so)
I've got a couple of bargain breeds I want to try, but don't have any more cash in Madman999, I don't have another horse in Rotciv I particularly want to euthenize at the moment (although babified opossum is tempting me), Madman4 is stocked, and Madman3 already has 2 2yo's and no horse that's an obvious candidate to be eliminated, although a bunch of those horses are marginal.
BTW, Rakida's Plug and Zinc Dad have been hurt for a long time now. RP will go in 1215 if everything goes as planned. ZD probably next week. RP really hasn't shown his stuff yet. Between two injured performances and 1 98% job and 1 other win, there are very few proven failures in his race record. Got to hope that he's legit and that these injuries are fluky.
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| 49 | Madman
ID: 68361122
Fri, Nov 02, 2001, 23:58
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Holy bovine excrement. I just added that up -- 900 breeding points down the tubes! Holy . . . But you know, that's only $9. . .
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| 50 | StLCards
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ID: 40951142
Sat, Nov 03, 2001, 10:39
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Madman, are you paying or do you have enough BP's for that? I've been wanting to get a Kingmambo or Danehill colt for awhile. Maybe now I can just buy one. Too bad I can't buy insurance in case the colt/filly was a dud.
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| 51 | Madman
ID: 68361122
Sat, Nov 03, 2001, 16:09
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StL -- nope, those are all funded by winnings.
Although since I can pay, it made it easier to part with 900 credits. But I wanted to get my entire 2 yo class finished up ASAP so in the off-chance a horse is a stud, I'll have a chance to collect enough points to enter some of the major races in the late spring.
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| 52 | cab
Donor
ID: 369213123
Mon, Nov 05, 2001, 07:06
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Well i lost both my cheapire homebreds first time out in claimers....#5604-Strike gold again(Chief's reward x Lightening leap x Import(gb)
cost 17 bp's(easily recouped these with his win)
#28545-Calm seas ahead(Ride the storm x Crimson slew x Import(gb)
cost 18 bp's
I had a bad feeling when i saw the breeding changes but it was too late to scratch them...
I hope they go on and do well... :)
Initially i thought the cheap sires(under 20bp) were going to be hard to find but in actuality i think there are far more cheaper ones now and some in single figures ...Time to breed some more..
I think i like the new breeding rules...The supply and demand aspect appeals to me...I have often wondered what determined the cost of sires rising or falling previously...
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| 53 | Madman
ID: 68361122
Mon, Nov 05, 2001, 17:14
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cab -- I like the new breeding rules, too. Too bad about losing your homebreds FTO. Some people claim 2yo's without looking. You should write down all your homebreds and see if any of them ever amount to anything. It will eventually become tough to remember all of them if this keeps up :)
Quick update on my 3 new homebreds:
Key West turns out to be a female 2 yo who is Ready to Go! immediately. She has a CPU value of $4,848,431 -- by far the highest CPU value I've had without a race (a couple of my horses have hit the $5m mark -- Alyrun Wing and Sal at the Bell are currently $5m, and Light Jupiter has been there). I'm entering her in the highest payout races I can find -- 0307 and 5105 this week. We'll see if she pans out at all. I'll be happy to avoid a bummer.
American Mint is the lone male this time around. He clocks in at $1,997,255. He's a Little Groggy.
Miswaki Music is a cool $3,198,301, and female. Also a Little Groggy, so she's going to get a rest right away.
Just a recap of my 2 yo class:
1. Secret Society $1.6m, male, 90 speed max, 28 points spent in breeding.
2. Snow Storm. $250K. Ran a "studly" 0.2 speed rating LTO! Must have bucked the jockey, since he claims to be healthy. Still a maiden after 6 starts (73 speed max). 28 points to breed at the time.
3. Sutter's Creek. $200K. 65 speed on dirt sprints -- need a turf try. Broke his maiden, but not much else of note about him. 49 points spent in breeding shed.
Thus, I have now bred a total of 6 horses -- 4 males, 2 females. So far, my luck has been pretty darned good. Which means that I'm jinxed. I remember very well the story of City O'Gold -- who could still turn into a runner, BTW. But just because you spend the points doesn't mean you get the runners. . .
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