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Subject: I present to you your "gurupie" stable
Posted by: Fletch
- [3662239] Thu, Jul 05, 12:03
Here is what Mike choose for us:
42469 Ice Bottle, 5 yr old Male- Katowice(62)X Grey Adorn(161)X Highline(GB)(212)
With 435 b.p.'s wrapped up into this horse, we could have something that can break into the 90 sf's. At 5 years old, chances are we will earn some B.P.'s off this nag. He comes into our stable with a 25k CPU value. I recommend we start him off in a MSW low purse, dirt sprint, and run him at .95% effort to shake the RTG tag.
14964 Little for Wayward, 7 Yr old Female- Little Current(94)X Rurtania(84)X Sadair(46)
Looks like Mike used our no preference to dump some cheap Glue. With only 224 B.P's wrapped up into this old girl, we should either make the decision to run her sparingly and breed her asap, or dump her off into a high claimer. Either way, this girl looks like she is going to drag our ITM % down. I suggest we run her in an extremely long low purse, Turf MSW, and hope for a cheap win.She came in at a 5K CPU Value.
40015 Roar Mark, 7 yr old Male- Roar(161)X On Yur Mark(32)X Bold Bidder(174)
Again, we were the recipients of Glue that no one else wants to draft. The breeding is decent, but at 7 yr's old, and being a Male, this horse needs to go bottom end Claimers ASAP. I say we should run very sparingly and unload him if he cant run at least a 70 sp in 2-3 races. Came in at 25k.
25014 Color Robe, 4 yr old Female- Mr. Ishi(81)X Robellino(54)X Majestic Prince(208)
Not much can be told about this girl until we run her. I recommend we run her in an MSW Dirt Sprint, and she how she fares. Not looking good though. Came in at 25k.
45713 b-hotrod Shot, 4 yr old Female- Heorge Augustus(40)X Brave Shot(GB)(86)X Hotfoot(ENG)(60)
Mike was doing us a favor by restricting us until after 20 races. This girl will have a hard time walking up to the starting gate, let alone contending in a race.
Overall, we have our work cut out for us. As with the rest of our stables, I think our main priority should be to target a consistant, and enviable ITM%. With that said, our only shot at turning this stable into something special is to not waste any time with the Glue trhat was given to us. The only oine worth keeping, IMO, is Little For Wayward. And that is only for breeding reasons. I suggest we give each horse to races, and if they don't show anything in the way of Speed, we hold them until we have enough races to run them in bottom end Maiden Claimers. Lets here your thoughts.
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| 1 | Madman
ID: 29246911
Thu, Jul 05, 14:15
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I'm not holding out nearly that much hope for Ice Bottle. That lineage is stocked with endurance. I bet he'll be a plodder. I would suggest 8fD at 100% in as weak of a field as you can find. Unless the 6fD at 95% is just to waste a run.
Little Wayward -- agreed.
Roar Mark -- Actually, I think this horse deserves a chance. 7 year olds can be great draft horses. It just depends. I'd start out at a low purse dirt sprint, and see if he can run. After 2 tries there, I'd move to MC's. But give him a couple of races. That breeding is nice.
Color Robe -- This horse has no value. I'd run once just to make sure the sim isn't stupid about Mr. Ishi or that there is a freak of nature going on. 25K CPU value? C'mon. Must be because of DDS. Mr. Ishi at 81???
Hotrod Shot -- I dunno. I like El Gran Senor x Alleged x Damascus in the sire. And she has a nice mix of speed / endurance in the whole lineage. Worth a chance.
Overall stable objectives: Actually, I personally haven't been targetting ITM that much. I think the best mark of a trainer is the ability to get the most out of a horse. ITM is just a convenient metric. But it's not the thing we should maximize. Because, as you noted, if you really wanted to max ITM, you should never waste your time experimenting with any of these runners. You should rely strictly on claim / auction pickups.
So, if we want to maximize ITM, I'd recommend doing nothing with the stable while snagging 5 horses. Let those new horses do the running until the 20th race. Then dump these guys into the auction and get 5 new nags with a proven record that will make it easier to place.
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| 2 | cab
Donor
ID: 10541722
Thu, Jul 05, 22:31
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I'm the sorta person who would at least give them some sorta chance before they go to the glue factory!,(but that is why i have zero wins in 2 of my stables!!)just to see how they go...
Maybe this weekend have a scout for a claimer or two?...and place a bet or two to try and boost the cash so that a purchase of a decent horse is possible?..Putting a chunk on Skin jumping seems like a good idea..
Going for ITM seems like the plan to me, but more to get bp's...The general consensus around the sim is you need to breed, to get a decent horse...
I guess for me, in the long term that would be the goal..Try and breed a superstar...
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| 3 | StLCards
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ID: 3505622
Fri, Jul 06, 02:20
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Ice Bottle and Roar Mark could have what it takes to get a MSW win with careful placement. Not too optimistic about Little For Wayward and we'll just have to see what Color Robe has. Overall I would say we need to start going for claimers and build up some cash with some easy wins or good betting. My strategy is to get the most out of each horse trying to improve it each time out to get a win. I think it will take at least 4 races before we can make a good assesment on the other horses we have now.
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| 4 | cab
Donor
ID: 10541722
Fri, Jul 06, 05:06
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A possible claim?...race 6001..52938...Junior Alex
Sadlers well x Devil's bag x African sky(gb)
A 3yo now...His first 5 runs as a 2yo were on turf and had no success...His latest one was on dirt(as a 2yo) and he went 77 sp ..This is his first start as a 3yo..Worth a look maybe?..
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| 5 | Madman
ID: 29246911
Fri, Jul 06, 07:26
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The top claim for this week is Canadian Rick (887). He's a $7,500 4 yo with a max speed of 102 in a dirt route race.
Close behind is Paul's Beats, a surface versatile sprinter available for 10K. He's gone 93 speed in a turf sprint and is also available from built4wins, who seems to be dismantling his stable.
Plum Rule, a 97 speed dirt route runner, is also very intriguing at 10K.
Going en la gulch is probably the most attractive 3yo in the field. A totally misplaced horse owned by horsesrus. He has gone 90+ twice in dirt sprints, including a 90+ speed as a 2 yo. I'm personally putting him on my claimer list. He's never been run in a route race! Or turf.
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| 6 | Madman
ID: 29246911
Fri, Jul 06, 07:28
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Going en la Gulch is available for $3,500, BTW.
And Maple Cap is available for 10K. :)
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| 7 | Madman
ID: 29246911
Fri, Jul 06, 07:37
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Going en la Gulch is available for $3,500, BTW.
And Maple Cap is available for 10K. :)
Hmmm. Actually, guys, I'm not sure I like this. I pulled down all the 10K or under claimers with an Excel program, and I bet we have 5-6 of the 30 most attractive low-tag claimers. Hmmm. Northern Cap for 5K. Adam From Car, Colonel Knob, etc., etc.
I mean, yeah, you'll get wins this week. And I realize these aren't the best of horses. But horses like this don't grow on trees. What's the strategy here? What am I missing?
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| 8 | Madman
ID: 29246911
Fri, Jul 06, 07:42
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Hmmm. The best over-worked horses include gaz1's alybear (3500), pimpinthebox (10k), gravely for steve (3500), judge best (5000), sickly fan(gb) (7500), sleipnir (7500), arc bag (5000).
Hmmm. Judge Best may be the best bet here. Aberg stables has really screwed him over. Only a 73 speed rating, he's also only run 5 races, and only once did he get 2 weeks' rest.
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| 9 | Fletch
ID: 41648515
Fri, Jul 06, 09:07
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Mt strategy is fairly simple for those horses madman. I got them in claimers, and i'm going to run them in claimers. I no longer kid myself with the dream of claiming a horse and magically haveing it turn around for me. I have no sentimental attachment to these horses, and eventually, after the whole alw2n, and str10k scene, they are going to run back in claimers anyway. I might as well get me them b.p.'s by running them in a couple of clicks lower, at the same track. Yeah someone else will claim them, but I bet they will be in claimers before to long. Of course, after a breif stint in the alw2n and str10k :). Claimers belong in claimers dude. Remember the Lion King, and the whole circle of life angle? Same way with claimers. 75% of the races I run are in claiming form, either straight up, or maiden. Granted, a year from now, if after searching on the SSS, I find that a bunch of glue that went through my stables at one time or another, are now stakes caliber, then i'll change my philosphy, but I am not holding my breath.
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| 10 | cab
Donor
ID: 10541722
Mon, Jul 09, 23:24
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Any thoughts on race selections yet?
I figured by the way the talk went the lowest end of MSW was what we are looking at...Below is the races at less than 15k..A number of options to choose from and we can pick any one we want first off i guess...I haven't looked at the entries for these races yet...(these are 4yo+ open)..I will get the female equivalents in a minute)
1306 WV Maiden 3yo+ 7.5 FRL Dirt Open $9,400
1312 WV Maiden 3yo+ 9 FRL Dirt Open $9,400
1408 NM Maiden 3yo+ 9 FRL Dirt Open $8,500
1704 VA Maiden 3yo+ 8 FRL Turf Open $15,200
1707 VA Maiden 3yo+ 8 FRL Turf Open $15,200
1712 VA Maiden 3yo+ 8 FRL Turf Open $15,200
1801 KS Maiden 3yo+ 6.5 FRL Dirt Open $13,700
1809 KS Maiden 4yo+ 8 FRL Dirt Open $13,700
1903 IA Maiden 3yo+ 9 FRL Dirt Open $10,900
1909 IA Maiden 3yo+ 5.5 FRL Dirt Open $10,900
1912 IA Maiden 3yo+ 6.5 FRL Dirt Open $10,900
2302 NB Maiden 3yo+ 8 FRL Dirt Open $12,800
2415 MO Maiden 3yo+ 8.5 FRL Dirt Open $11,700
2712 UT Maiden 3yo+ 6.5 FRL Dirt Open $10,400
3008 ID Maiden 3yo+ 6.5 FRL Dirt Open $10,700
3602 E4 Maiden 3yo+ 8 FRL Turf Open $10,400
3911 GA Maiden 3yo+ 8.5 FRL Dirt Open $10,400
4105 MX Maiden 3yo+ 7.5 FRL Dirt Open $8,100
4209 WI Maiden 3yo+ 8 FRL Dirt Open $10,400
4305 SD Maiden 3yo+ 8 FRL Dirt Open $13,100
4502 ME Maiden 3yo+ 7 FRL Dirt Open $13,100
4708 MN Maiden 3yo+ 8.5 FRL Dirt Open $13,100
4711 MN Maiden 3yo+ 5.5 FRL Dirt Open $13,100
6415 PT Maiden 3yo+ 9 FRL Dirt Open $10,400
6801 TW Maiden 3yo+ 8 FRL Dirt Open $10,400
7205 MT Maiden 3yo+ 9 FRL Turf Open $10,400
7209 MT Maiden 3yo+ 8 FRL Dirt Open $10,400
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| 11 | cab
Donor
ID: 10541722
Mon, Jul 09, 23:29
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Female 4yo+ races...
1309 WV Maiden 3yo+ 8.5 FRL Dirt F $9,400
2309 NB Maiden 3yo+ 7.5 FRL Dirt F $12,800
2405 MO Maiden 3yo+ 10 FRL Dirt F $11,700
2701 UT Maiden 3yo+ 5 FRL Dirt F $10,400
3908 GA Maiden 3yo+ 9.5 FRL Turf F $10,400
4308 SD Maiden 4yo+ 9 FRL Dirt F $13,100
6410 PT Maiden 3yo+ 8.5 FRL Turf F $10,400
6812 TW Maiden 3yo+ 6.5 FRL Dirt F $10,400
7007 SC Maiden 3yo+ 8 FRL Dirt F $13,100
Not so many here to choose from..
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| 12 | cab
Donor
ID: 10541722
Mon, Jul 09, 23:56
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Base on observations from Fletch and Madman..
My suggestions..
Little wayward :
6410 PT Maiden 3yo+ 8.5 FRL Turf F $10,400
There are only 6 entries so far and if she is a turfer is best off in europe anyway..
Colour robe :Only 3 sprint races available for females- 2701`, 2309 , 6812..All fairly heavily subscribed..I guess 2701(5f) and 6812(6.5f)(Taiwan,btw)
For the 2 males there a number of options..(i shouldv'e just got the sprint races)...Basically take your pick..They all have a reasonable amount of entries..Getting them into a race is the main priority at this point,i am supposing..
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| 13 | StLCards
Sustainer
ID: 2504849
Tue, Jul 10, 09:29
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Little for Wayard on turf sounds fine to me.
Maybe give Roar Mark a dirt sprint to start with?
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| 14 | cab
Donor
ID: 10541722
Wed, Jul 11, 07:21
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Are we gonna enter these horses in races or what???
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| 15 | Fletch
ID: 4467614
Wed, Jul 11, 16:43
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The good news is I have entered all four of our horses. The bad news is I dont have a single click point backing them up. Oh well. Lets hope for the best eh?
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| 16 | Fletch
ID: 4467614
Wed, Jul 11, 16:44
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Newver mind. Just looked at the clicks, and we have 36 :). Guess someone else was more on top then me :)
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| 17 | Madman
ID: 29246911
Sat, Jul 14, 13:11
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Oh man, they were awful.
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| 18 | Fletch
ID: 33656149
Mon, Jul 16, 12:39
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I recommend we load up on claimers to bring our races up passed 20. Then race this crap in MC's. Our only option for this stable is to make it a claiming stable, and try and breed a winner, cause we were given squat here.
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| 19 | Madman
ID: 29246911
Mon, Jul 16, 14:59
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Yeah. I dunno. I'm all for efficient time management, and I just don't see much here.
If we're going to do that strategy, I might suggest going with devil01 stables.
Looking at the draft pool right now there is NOTHING. A miswaki DS 3 yo. . . and that's about it. Not even good broodmare stock. OUCH.
I dunno. I think we can get at least one of these nags to break his maiden.
I've been taking it as a point of pride to get all my draft nags a Maiden win. Before I started to do this, I bred away 2 losers that the computer stuck me with. And I lost one to claiming (louis' gals). But I've broken 9 of my other 17 so far, with 1 yet to race. 5 others are headed to the MC ranks, where I think most of them should be able to win. The last 2 should either break their maidens eventually (Well Bert), or I'm not sure what the hell is going on (Arctic Government -- maybe needs a stretch in distance)?
The problem, of course, is that this strategy really kills your ITM %. You have to experiment around with low-quality nags. Experimentation by itself is a low% proposition; let alone with low-quality guys.
There's nothing more satisfying than seeing a CPU nag come up and win his maiden. It's very cool, and the mark of a good trainer, I think. But it does ruin your stats, I'll grant you that. (This is my excuse for my bad ITM).
I dunno. I'm sure one of these guys is MC capable, and the two turfers were too long on the wrong surface. Maybe. Many horses can't sprint 5f on dirt worth a hoot. Just trying to look at the bright side.
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| 20 | Madman
ID: 29246911
Mon, Jul 23, 16:06
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Hmmm. What do we want to do with this idea, guys? It doesn't seem to be too functional at the moment.
I think Fletch is right -- we have to have delineated responsibilities.
Furthermore, I think this stable sucks. The horse pool has just been regenerated, so if we want to draft a new stable, we should do it today.
I'm willing to put some time into the draft, but I won't do this unless some others think this is a good idea. Frankly, I'm ambivalent about the whole deal. And, frankly, if this is a time issue for goatlocker and others with only 1-2 stables right now, I think their time might be spent more rewardingly by getting another stable for themselves. But that's up to them.
P.S. I have some REALLY good sire information at my disposal at the moment, so as I said, if we do this, we have to do this ASAP.
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| 21 | cab
Donor
ID: 10541722
Mon, Jul 23, 22:13
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Well i am willing to contribute..(FWIW!..lol)
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| 22 | GoatLocker
ID: 44461114
Mon, Jul 23, 22:43
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Not sure how much time I would have available to help out.
I'm getting ready to go on vacation right now, and should have more time when I get back.
Once baseball ends and football begins, I'll also be in better shape time-wise.
If there is enough interest, I'll do what I can to help.
Cliff
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| 23 | Madman
ID: 29246911
Tue, Jul 24, 02:44
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Hmmm. Sorry guys. I've wasted all evening, and now I'm exhausted. I'll check tomorrow. Honestly, the more I think about it, I'm not sure exactly how much time I can spend on it, either. I've got 4 stables right now, and that is just killing me. I don't want to sign up for more than I can handle in the long run. . .
I'll check the horse pool tomorrow. But I just realized we need an email address . . . etc. The pain . . . Plus, I'm not sure the pool is as good as I thought it was. Maybe we should pool together for devil01? At least it already has 1 runner?
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| 24 | Madman
ID: 29246911
Wed, Jul 25, 16:57
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I can't handle doing much for this right now -- I probably shouldn't have brought it up.
The boards have been quiet here lately, what's up? No Toral, or Fletch (who is apparently absent because of personal reasons but should return at some point) . . .
Hmmm. I haven't even had a chance to update the horse rankings! Yikers. . .
Actually, do that on a bi-weekly or other periodic thing is probably a good idea. . .
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| 25 | JKaye
Sustainer
ID: 4711592917
Wed, Jul 25, 17:40
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I'd be happy to open up devil01 as our gurupie stable, if that is what people want. The other horses aren't that good, but certainly Sixth Deputy is as good a start as we will get starting any other stable. If people don't have time, that's fine too.
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| 26 | StLCards
Sustainer
ID: 2504849
Tue, Aug 07, 10:15
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In Fletch's absence, last week I entered a sharp High Heels in a 7.5f turf race for 3yo fillies, in MD, where she ran her best time yet, a 60SP, for an 8th place finish. A little better on turf, but not much.
This week, Ice Bottle and Little for Wayward, are both sharp. I tentatively entered Little for Wayward in a 8.5f dirt race in PT (.6407), but did not realize she is entered against males as well, so we might want to scratch that one and find something else. Not much dirt over there and her turf try was miserable.
Ice Bottle is signed up for .2108 in MI for a mile turf try and in .1707 8.5f turf in VA as a backup.
If anyone is interested in making suggestions feel free to do so and we can change the races or put in for some new claimers. Not much to work with here.
Or do we just abandon this stable, in which case we can enter all claimer races for the next few weeks until all the horses are gone. I would hate to leave horses in a dead stable.
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| 27 | Madman
ID: 29246911
Tue, Aug 07, 18:31
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I vote that we get to 20 races, and put these guys in the auction, and shut-down the stable.
Honestly, I don't have enough time to really help a lot. But I am willing to post good claimers or something. Maybe after a couple of months or something . . .
Otherwise, I vote to turn Devil01 into a stud stable . . .
As you guys know, it takes a LOT of patience and hard-work to turn a stable around. And having one decent runner (albeit a moderately aged runner) helps a lot.
In fact, after 3 months+, I think that most of my stables are still in rather shoddy shape. I've got 1.5 million in each of 3 barns, but rotciv is devoid of any quality runners. I only have 1 100+ horse out of 36 runners.
Madman4 is by far the best situated, with Skin Jumping, Private Count (maybe), Sal at the Bell, and Brown Bro all having very solid niches in the sim for at least a few more months, and a number of other starter-allowance types. . . In fact, I think it *might* have 7 useful horses in it (until the tags wear out). But as you guys know, I don't have very many top-notch horses, and there aren't many on the way. I am piling up breeding points, so maybe in a month or two, especially with rotciv or madman4, I'll be able to breed a serious stud . . .
My point here is that this game is hard enough as-is. The only way to build up a stable like this one is through the claim ranks, and it takes a LONG time to do that. Especially when you don't have anything to start with. Letting the computer randomly pick horses was a bad idea, I think.
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| 28 | StLCards
Sustainer
ID: 3505622
Tue, Aug 07, 22:56
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I agree Madman. Even my later 2 stables where I had some idea of what I was wanting to accomplish with draft horses didn't work out. I have some competitive horses, but nothing close to an unrestricted allowance contender and especially not a stakes quality horse which is what we would all like to have. My assessment of claiming horses is that it is a crap shoot and takes alot of time and energy for little return. Best thing seems to be to put them straight back into claimers and try for BP's. If we plan to auction the horses after 20 races it doesn't make much sense to get claimers except to get to 20 races sooner. 2 yo claimers that haven't run yet might make some sense.
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| 29 | cab
Donor
ID: 10541722
Tue, Aug 07, 23:46
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I think i would tend to agree too...Let them go after they get to 20 races...Run them in claimers in the meantime..someone may pick them up...
If any decent looking claiming horses come along,try to get them into the Devil01 stable and work on that one...It is important to try and make good choices before that 20th race comes along though...All my stables have passed that mark (Cab and Cab31 are full tho)and to get horses for my other one is not easy..I am resigned to the fact that i will have to go for very lightly raced horses that others have given up on early(after 2 or 3 starts for eg.)...And if they are no good ,try to at least get a maiden claim win(or even finish in the first 5 gets you decent points) out of them or claimed away and try again...This is going to be my strategy with Pepe31 and Cab31..
Like you Madman,I would have only a handful of even half-decent horses...
The Clam(which i think is questionable whether he has another win in him at allowance level...There are some darn good 3yo's around...Last week he was ranked 18th in sp(at 8f)and of the 3 races i had sorted out for him,8 of the 9 ITM went over 100sp...He is youngish tho and has stepped a level,whether he can maintain it or step another level is the question)
Yankee and Sloppy are going to struggle from now on i think...
Bee stacking shows promise but has yet to prove it...
Fourth Bingo MAY be okay...Am just hoping he can go longer and longer..
And thats about it..out of 27 horses...The rest are either unproven yet,are claiming runners only or will struggle to get out of the maiden class...
It is a tough battle but a real challenge, which i like!
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| 30 | Madman
ID: 29246911
Wed, Aug 08, 00:51
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cab -- I think you are selling the Clam just a bit short. Any 3 yo being able to break triple digits in a route race is a very sweet commodity. The only thing I don't like about him is that he can't seem to go 9f. But, you know, at some point, if you don't have a good alternative, I'd be tempted to try that again. He came back Sharp after that race, no? I wonder if he just got a crappy "roll of the dice", and the jockey just jogged him home. It's not like a 73 is horrible . . . usually when even quality horses "hit the distance wall" they will drop down to 50's. Plus, they usually go close to a 100% start, which he didn't do. (although he DID do that in a 8.5f race, yikes -- did you set that?).
Don't forget that the Clam has a $3.5K tag, too. If you can find a 3yo restricted starter-allowance race (i.e., if you bid for one!), you can get some serious wins from Clam in the next year.
I think Yankee Alphabet still has a lot of un-touched territory. A turfer running 87.7 in routes isn't horrible. If he can stretch that up, you might be able to survive without a tag.
I'd agree with the rest of your assessments.
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My strategy:
I download all the claimers into Excel (if I'm around!!), and record their previous starter tags. Since I've got 1.5 million in cash, I don't care about the claim price. What I'm interested in is acquiring 90+ speed runners who have extremely low starter-allowance tags that will hopefully last for awhile.
Secondly, most trainers don't stretch their horses upward appropriately. This is how I snagged Brown Bro -- I saw the gap in her dirt route races, and gobbled her up. I got lucky with her (stable still under 20 races). Mark my words, she's going to be a decent force in route races -- especially with that 2K starter tag.
My higher-tag claim strategy led me to acquire Tow's Terms, who I hope can run turf sprints. I mainly picked him up for an ASR competition . . . Similarly, I picked up Jericho Velvet who has a low tag. I hope he can run turf sprints, or run dirt routes. I think he should be able to do one or the other (he has a very strange racing history). Again, he has a 5K tag, even though I spent 25K to get him.
Hmmm. Who else have I gotten after the 20 races? I'm pretty optimistic that Paul's Beats will be valuable as a turfer. Plus, he's never been tried over 9f, which he did successfully. Therefore, even though he doesn't have a low tag (I spent 10K on him), I'm hoping I can work with his allowance conditions, or stay in the higher-tag claiming ranks. He has a 97.7 in dirt sprints, and a 93.2 at 7f on turf.
Another type of horse I'm playing with is Pay Sal -- 50K. Probably over-priced. On the surface, it looks like he's been experimented with and that he doesn't have any good stuff. However, if you look more closely, he's been horribly mismanaged. Is this sort of horse worth wasting your time on???? I dunno. We shall see.
Advice: to sum up, my strategy now:
a) Acquire 10K+ claimers with 5K or under tags in recent weeks. This is as good as a 5K or under claim.
b) Start shooting for turfers and extreme route runners. You don't need the glamorous speed ratings to compete in these events. Therefore, the competition to acquire these horses isn't as great. Of course, finding them is also very hard, since there's nothing that you can "sort" and have these guys pop-up (i.e., sorting by max speed in last 5 races won't catch these guys, who may only run 75-80 in extreme marathons on turf, but who might be very useful at that).
c) Do cab's Maiden Claim thing. Basically, pickup lightly raced horses, and hope that experimenting will make them explode. I acquired Burglar Wanting for 7.5K in the auction for this reason. And bought Admirable Launch from windell for 7.5K . . . notice that Admirable Launch had already broken his maiden when I submitted my claim for him. However, he'd never run on turf. Also, remember that a 89 speed rating in a win is much better than an 89 speed rating in a loss. Any horse that wins *might* be easing up. . . This is a useful trick when examining whether a horse can handle routes. I found a couple of horses who ran 60ish speed in route races when young, but they won their races. They then explode into the 90s, and their owners appear shocked. . .
d) Spread out your stables. I've got 4 stables. I'd like 5 starter allowance horses in each -- 2 dirt-sprinters, 1 each for dirt and turf routes, and 1 turf-sprinter. I'd like a 2yo. And probably 2 3yo's who might develop. Keep a mix of fillies and colts. Throw in a couple of horses you feel comfortable running in claim races (for breeding points) and/or open slots to acquire new talent, and I'd consider that stable to be primo. Older filly races (esp. routes) seem to be weak right now. Not sure if that will last after Jan. 1, but possibly. So maybe you should have more of those. The problem is that they are hard to find (whereas dirt sprinters are relatively easy to discover, IMO).
e) Nothing wrong with acquiring a 10K claim horse and running him right back at something less than 10K. Sometimes you have blank stable stalls. Note: don't do this with 10K+ horses, since there are serious breed point penalties for this (although you can manipulate this, but that's another story altogether). The idea is that the 5 BP penalty for a 10K claimer can be recouped quickly. Specifically, you get 17 points for winning a claim race at the same track. Thus, if you can snag a 10K horse and then win a lower-tier claim race, you can still gain a net of 12 points for that one race. Obviously, you have to make sure that the 10K horse was quality to begin with.
f) Forget about the 5K or under horses after your 20th race. Unless you have a horse at the same track. Even then, however, don't count on it.
g) If in doubt, place claims in higher numbered tracks. Without getting into the technical details, the odds of you acquiring a horse increase as the track number increases. This isn't too important if you are a new stable, but it can be critical to older ones. Horses that cost 10K+ in higher number tracks are going to relatively easy to acquire, even if you don't have a runner at the same track.
Right now, I'm starting to get Madman4 into that sort of design. No 2-yo's, but I have some great starter-allowance horses there, and at least one solid 3 yo. It's going to take several months to get the other stables well-balanced, I'm afraid.
The idea with this strategy is that there are only so many starter-allowance / restricted races each week. If you only have dirt-sprinters, you're going to be competing against your own horses too often.
At any rate, sorry for the ramble. I'll shut up now.
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| 31 | cab
Donor
ID: 10541722
Thu, Aug 09, 02:33
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That is a very,very interesting ramble Madman :)...I'm not sure if i said, but the Clam has a cpu value of 5 mil now...amazing how it jumps...I definately haven't given up on him Madman,he is the best, by far, that i have..It is just not going to be easy for him i think...The 100% start in that 8.5 f race was of my doing...I had a look at the runners and sorta hoped he could go wire to wire...In future races i was thinking of starting him at 70 or 80 % but i don't know if i like playing with jockey select!..I have looked at starter allowances but at this stage i would like to try and boost his earnings!...I will look more closer at these races later on though and i will definately try him at 8.5 or 9 furlongs again..
To be honest i am not that keen on the idea of creating races specifically for your own runner..To me, it would be somewhat of a hollow victory..The huge purses(not all of them,but some i have seen) on some owner restricted races also makes some ordinary horses look good(as far as earnings go)and is an "easy" way to earn money IMO...Not that i disagree with the idea of people bidding for races,i think it is a great idea, but tailoring races is what i am not too keen on..
Route turfers are definately a good option to garner breeding points in claim races..In fact if you can get 70-80sp from a route turfer you should win a good percentage of your races..And really you don't want them to get into high 80's or 90's if you want to keep running them in claim races...It makes them look good and someone will grab them!..I am hoping Prince beau can grab more than his share of wins in these races(I only realised his potential in these races a few weeks ago when i got all the data loaded into Madmans magic machine)but we shall see...
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| 32 | Madman
ID: 29246911
Thu, Aug 09, 18:32
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cab -- I don't think you can increase the purse of races you bid on. If so, then that would indeed be a total joke.
In general, large purse races attract more attention, and are tougher. The Fake Florida Flying that Light Jupiter won for 60K was a bit of an exception, but even then it had some of the better ASR horses in it. If you create a race an then only have 5 entrants, then I could see that argument. But that is what a decent number of 30K - 50K Stakes have right now. . . So I'm not sure the competition is any keener in the open stuff.
I'm sympathetic to the idea of running Clam and upping his earnings. But if you want to experiment, use that tag.
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| 33 | Madman
ID: 29246911
Fri, Aug 10, 16:11
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Some interesting 5K or under claimers:
#1) Ton Being, 1117.7403.
#2) Brisson, 1117.1206 (breeding prospect!)
#3) New Ant, 1117.1715
#4) Junior Hypodermic, 1117.3005
#5) 8607 Kingdom Blushing (probably #1 claimer this week in terms of value), 1117.6005.
I've got a long-shot claim attempt in for Kingdom blushing (who costs 7500). The other 4 are all fair game for anyone.
People with passwords to Devil01, I recommend submitting the above 5 horses. They have the Madman stamp of approval.
I should say that a couple of them are breeding guys. I wasn't looking for Skin Jumping misplaced claimers. I was looking for horses for my barns, and these were 5K or under (I don't put bids in for cheap claimers anymore).
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| 34 | StLCards
Sustainer
ID: 2504849
Fri, Aug 10, 16:42
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2 of those 5 are on my daughters and my claim lists as well. Probably on a bunch of other stables I would imagine as well.
I wasn't planning on doing any claimers for the gurupie stable. Don't know who has the devil01 password. Don't see any entries for this week from there either.
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| 35 | Madman
ID: 29246911
Fri, Aug 10, 21:07
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The only runner in Devil01 is Sixth Deputy. No reason to run anyone else, I suspect.
Feel free to go for any of those 5.
Remember, new stables have an advantage here. But you're right, these are popular picks. That's why I'm not going to bother with them.
I had 19593 on my list, too, but I may scratch him for that same reason.
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| 36 | Madman
ID: 29246911
Fri, Aug 10, 21:08
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Oh yeah. No reason to submit claimers for gurupie, I don't think.
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| 37 | StLCards
Sustainer
ID: 3505622
Sat, Aug 11, 22:05
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Ice Bottle came in 4th running a 67SP on turf.
Little for Wayward ran a 60SP and finished at the back of the pack somewhere.
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