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Subject: Now here is some funny stuff...
Posted by: leggestand
- [501029817] Wed, Jun 19, 2002, 11:04
ROME -- Italian soccer club Perugia has cut ties with South Korea's Ahn Jung-hwan after he scored the overtime goal that knocked Italy out of the World Cup, Perugia's chairman said in media reports Wednesday.
"That gentleman will never set foot in Perugia again," Luciano Gaucci told sports' daily La Gazzetta dello Sport.
Italy has been furious about Tuesday's 2-1 loss to South Korea, accusing the referee and soccer's ruling body FIFA of fixing the match.
Back home, the Italian media were livid.
"Thieves -- the killer referee hounds the Azzurri out of the World Cup," the Rome-daily Corriere dello Sport said on its front-page.
"Shame! The scandalous Ecuadorean referee -- Italy is out of the World Cup," said the country's top-selling sports daily, Milan's La Gazzetta dello Sport.
Ahn, who missed a penalty earlier in the match, was hailed as a national hero when he headed home the golden goal winner in the 116th minute.
But his goal was viewed in a different light at Perugia in central Italy, where he has been viewed as an underachiever during his stay with the club.
"He was a phenomenon only when he played against Italy. I am a nationalist and I regard such behavior not only as an affront to Italian pride but also an offense to a country which two years ago opened its doors to him," Gaucci was quoted as saying.
"I have no intention of paying a salary to someone who has ruined Italian soccer."
Ahn joined Perugia on loan from the South Korean team Pusan I.cons in the summer of 2000. He scored five goals in 29 appearances.
A Perugia spokesman said Wednesday the club had virtually decided to release Ahn even before the World Cup tie. |
| 1 | Perm Dude
Leader
ID: 22347210
Wed, Jun 19, 2002, 11:10
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Ah, another example of the Italians demonstrating how the World Cup can bring us all closer together...
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| 2 | IRRIDUCIBILI LAZIO
ID: 221441621
Wed, Jun 19, 2002, 13:07
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the situation is a bit different:
ahn passed all last week saying how bad he was in perugia, how according to him italian soccer is bad, how we depend too much from soccer and so on.
Perugia owns the half part of ahn, while the other half is propriety of a korean team, so, after all his complaining, gaucci told that he would never buy the other half of ahn, even if it would be extremely convenient to him (the other team wants about 1,5 million dollars....), because of his externations and his lack of gratitude for a nation that have adopted him, while he was gaining about 5000 dollars in korea for an entire year of playing. JFYI he now gains about 400.000 big bucks here, and isn't even in the starting lineup.....
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| 3 | Micheal
ID: 567421419
Wed, Jun 19, 2002, 13:32
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If Stojakovic scored a winning basket for Yugoslavia knocking the U.S out of the Olympics, would it be right for the Kings to refuse to pay his salary?
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| 4 | leggestand
ID: 501029817
Wed, Jun 19, 2002, 13:46
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Lazio,
It is still pretty funny/sketchy that he was cut the day after he knocks Italy out of the Cup.
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| 5 | Coolio
ID: 9202412
Wed, Jun 19, 2002, 14:50
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This is amazing. What a bunch of sore losers.
At first I kind of felt bad for Italians, but after hearing all this whining non sense, I'm starting to enjoy the Squaddra not being around anymore.
The end of the game against Mexico was a shame, the diving was a shame, and now the whining is a shame.
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| 6 | Coolio
ID: 9202412
Wed, Jun 19, 2002, 15:18
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You want more bull crap?
Panini, the world leader in album stickers (similar to Topps in the States)has decided to retire all their products concerning the WC2002 in protest against the referees.
What a joke.
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| 7 | kev
ID: 11438306
Wed, Jun 19, 2002, 15:34
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Italians arent really being seen in a great light in this whole "fair play" thing that FIFA and the WC have been preaching.
Diving, collusion, whining about every call, blaming the officials for their underachieving, and now this.
Viva Italia!
Not.
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| 8 | Perm Dude
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ID: 22347210
Wed, Jun 19, 2002, 15:38
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Going to take their cards and go home, eh? This certainly is turning into a whine-fest. I had a lot of respect for the Italians before this. Now that they have been dealt an unfair turn of events, it appears that the Italians are turning into a bunch of sore losers. Too bad, really. It is an opportunity to show that they are a real stand-up group.
pd
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| 9 | smallwhirled
Donor
ID: 17152614
Wed, Jun 19, 2002, 15:41
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The Italins are a shame to soccer. A bunch of dive artists. Take a look at Del Piero play. When's the last time Inzaghi wasn't cherry picking??
Cherry pick on every ball played foward, then whine to the linesman every time the flag goes up.
Face it, the Italians play for the offside call. Then, the one time they aren't flagged for the call, they put the ball in the back of the net because they're great finishers.
Yeah, they've got skill...but just put the opponenet away. Smell the blood and run it up a bit!
Alright, I'm done venting...but this is the most ridiculous stuff I've ever seen. Blame the officials, so you don't get those rotten tomatoes pegged at you. What a game!
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| 10 | Samuli
ID: 3104968
Wed, Jun 19, 2002, 16:06
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WTF? Is this somekind of a "Come bash Italy" -meeting? I'm sure it might be difficult for you Americans to understand, but football really is a HUGE thing in Italy... As they say, football isn't a part of life, but life is a part of football. Now, in this light, I think it's perfectly understandable that we see this kind of reactions; It wasn't supposed to end this way, and as there's a definite smell of aging fish in the air regarding the referee-work (For example the Danish line-man from Croatia-match has openly apologised for the mistakes he made, so I think we can end the discussion about wether the goals were legit or not...) it's only rational for Italian media to react this way. Is it going to change the fact that Italy is out? Naah, but think about it this way; If some punk steals your lady's purse in South Central, are you going to not report it to the police just because the possibility of them catching him and the miss gettin her belongings back is close to zero? Of course not, you'll make some noise just to address your frustration and anger. See what I'm trying to say? While Italy wasn't the only team hampered by ridiculous calls, they certainly are the most gaudy sign that FIFA has to take action to prevent this kind of a farss from happening again. 5 goals falsely taken away are 5 goals falsely taken away, no matter how well or how bad the team played otherwise... And this is what makes the football-loving nation of Italy sad. If you don't understand this then don't.
And to make generalisations like saying that Italian people are second grade people just because they are not willing to accept what happened in the World Cup is like saying that the people of USA is a bunch of ignorant rednecks that don't give a toss about international agreements and gratifications if they don't serve their best interests, just because your president who got less votes and still got elected is one such individual.
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| 11 | kev
ID: 11438306
Wed, Jun 19, 2002, 16:12
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Once again, all those goals werent all good. From an Italian standpoint, your vision is clouded.
Ever believe in fate, or even karma? Im not a firm believer in it, but with all the games, and collusion, and all that stuff in the Mexico/Italy game, I find it funny they both got some bad calls there way in the next game. Am I happy about it? For sure.
Your bugging us about rash generalizations? "You Americans" is a great generalization by you. In the other thread, there is a post on Hockey and Canada. Hockey in Canada is much like soccer in Italy. Its life. When Canada didnt medal in 1998, it was a huge shot to our ego. Sure, some calls were bad, etc, etc, etc, but the fact was, things needed to change in our program. We got beat. Did we bellyache? Yes.
But certainly not as much as the Italians have.
Take your loss, and go wait 4 years to seek revenge. The Canadians did in this years Olympics, and the victory was that much sweeter.
Dont taint it by complaining so much.
Your team didnt perform. As much as you say 5 goals disallowed are 5 goals disallowed, a loss is a loss. The Italians lost, and they deserved to.
Maybe next time, they will go for the win in a seemingly meaningless game, rather than play for the tie. Im sure playing the US would have been better than a home field advantage Korea team.
Collusion never pays!
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| 12 | Samuli
ID: 3104968
Wed, Jun 19, 2002, 16:16
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I'm not Italian, so there go your "wise words". And exactly why am I not supposed to say "You Americans" when I'm talking to "you Americans"? Yea 1998 Olympics, sweet memories, us Finns getting the bronze-medals...
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| 13 | Coolio
ID: 9202412
Wed, Jun 19, 2002, 16:25
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Not american either here. :p)
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| 14 | kev
ID: 11438306
Wed, Jun 19, 2002, 16:45
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First 2 paragraphs here sum up my feelings on the Italians
"Crap. I really should have waited until tonight to file yesterday's diary. South Korea has just beaten Italy in a game of staggering passion. I love Italian football, but I have to say this team's behavior toward the referee in the Mexico game and tonight was so atrocious, they have just had handed to them everything they deserve. Every decision, however clear, is protested. Christian Panucci (or young Adolf Hitler, as I like to call him) was lucky not to be put in a Korean jail for the drag-down mugging that he committed in the first half leading to the penalty. And Francesco Totti -- and he was not the only one -- tried to sucker the ref into carding his opponent with a classic, oh-no-my-beautiful-face-I-must-grab-it-immediately-where-he-hit-me move, when the slow motion replay clearly revealed there was absolutely no contact whatsoever. You live by the sword, you die by the sword, Francesco. So maybe you didn't dive in the penalty area for your second yellow. I don't care; you were overdue.
Italy was outplayed, outhustled and outcoached by Guus Hiddink, who got his team up splendidly for this game (and for all their games, come to think of it). Giovanni Trappatoni has built a team of prima donnas in his own image. Just watch, he will blame the ref and accept absolutely no responsibility for himself or his team."
Cant say it better than that.
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| 15 | leggestand
ID: 501029817
Wed, Jun 19, 2002, 16:54
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First off, I just posted this article because I thought it was hilarious - cutting a player because he scored eliinated the country in the World Cup. Whoever says he wasn't cut b/c of that is wrong. In a matter of hours the player was cut, it has nothing to do with past performances for the team. They were psst and cut him.
As for the bash Italy part, they have been whining more than any other team. They may have the highest claim to gripe by having more calls go against them than any other team, but isn't there a limit to griping? Having someone steal your girls purse and reporting it to police is very different Samuli - mostly b/c it is a crime. This referee has done nothing wrong, he called what he thought was right, but will he go to jail for it - no. So, don't try to make this similar to a crime.
All I am waiting for is one - just one Italian to say, we lost because we didn't put them away. Is the game in question if Italy doesn't sit back on their laurels after scoring a goal - of course not. They Italians who are complaining have the right to be angry with the ref, but the also need to be angry with themselves. The team could of played better. Thats my whole thing about the Italians whining, they have assumed NO blame on themselves and feel that this game was ENTIRELY the ref's fault. Suck it up, its over, there is nothing positive that can come to the Italians from this now.
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| 16 | leggestand
ID: 501029817
Wed, Jun 19, 2002, 16:55
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I read that earlier Kev, and you beat me to posting it. :)
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| 17 | Samuli
ID: 3104968
Wed, Jun 19, 2002, 17:02
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Ahh, and one more thing about the 1998 Olympics hockey... In general, there's no such thing as "bad calls" in hockey, I mean no team will get a goal robbed away falsely as they use the video-check... So what was there for you to whine about after the lost bronze-metal -match anyway, you lost "fair and square". I don't remember the Italian media reacting like this 2 years ago when they lost "fair and square" in the Euro-finals against France, or four years ago when they lost "fair and square" in the World Cup quarter-finals, again against the Frenchmen. There was nothing to whine about so they didn't whine. Their purse wasn't stolen, if you may. So, looking back in history, was there something particular this time to cause this kind of reaction? Well I suppose there was, there's no other explanation.
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| 18 | Samuli
ID: 3104968
Wed, Jun 19, 2002, 17:05
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No, I don't think people report thefts because it's considered as a crime, but because they want back what's rightfully theirs. Even if stealing wasn't prohibited by law, I know I'd be very pissed off if somebody took my wallet, hell, I believe I'd even make some noise.
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| 19 | kev
ID: 11438306
Wed, Jun 19, 2002, 17:08
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Other than the fact they are poor losers... that pretty much explains the reaction to me. There is a difference losing in a final, where they were going as far as they were supposed to, and losing in the round of 16.
And their are a ton of instances in hockey in which a call can be messed up- just like in soccer, offsides in hockey can be called wrong too. They just dont put the puck in the net after the call is made, thats all.
Whiners. Plain and simple...
You get what you deserve. With all the crap the Italians were giving the ref's throughout the tourney, should the refs have made any attempt not to call anything that was near tight the opposite way?
They deserved what they got. As the article said, it was coming.
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| 20 | Samuli
ID: 3104968
Wed, Jun 19, 2002, 17:16
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Believe me, from the players' and fans' point of view there's absolutely no difference between losing on the round of 16 or losing on the round of 8... And pardon me but isn't that article just some individual's personal opinion, not the absolute fact by any means?
Yea, so basically you agree with what I said about hockey; Bad calls don't decide the game either way (although some penalties are called for ridiculous reasons, but this is largely an european problem and doesn't concern NHL much at all). In football, when the games are usually decided by the difference of one goal, and where off-sides play such a grucial part in scoring, bad-calls really can make all the difference in the world. Italy is not the first nor the last team to suffer from this, but they have the right to be sad and angry. Who wouldn't?
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| 21 | Samuli
ID: 3104968
Wed, Jun 19, 2002, 17:24
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Also, you seem to think that Italy was the worst-behaving side when it comes to things like diving... I think there's no team in this tournament that doesn't do it, and there are many many worse examples of this not-so-fair-play than anything that Italian players might have done. And what exactly do you mean with them "giving the refs crap"? Isn't this the usual procedure after a bad call? Still, none of them physically violated the ref as was the case with this certain Portugese.
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| 22 | kev
ID: 11438306
Wed, Jun 19, 2002, 17:25
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In what other game other than Mexico and Italy did the 2 teams clearly quit playing, knowing a draw advanced both teams.
Is that fair play?
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| 23 | Samuli
ID: 3104968
Wed, Jun 19, 2002, 17:33
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How is that considered to be "giving the refs crap"? And furthermore, aren't the refs supposed to interfere if there's something stinky going on on the field? To my understanding they "stopped playing" even before the Croatia - Ecuador game had ended, so technically they didn't know that the tie was to put them both on the second round. It wasn't good sportmanship, no, but nor was it a huge violation against the morals of football. Don't you think it was Croatians own mistake, not to beat the feeble Ecuador? Had they won the game they would have succeeded on to second round, leaving the criminal old Italians licking their wounds.
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| 24 | leggestand
ID: 501029817
Wed, Jun 19, 2002, 17:39
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I think it was the Italians mistake to not to beat the "feeble" South Koreans. They could of won that game regardless of the bad calls and didn't and now are blaming someone besides themselves for the loss. Someone needs to be a man and suck it up and say they were outworked by the Koreans. At least the coach has to give the Koreans credit, but he doesn't.
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| 25 | Samuli
ID: 3104968
Wed, Jun 19, 2002, 17:48
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Last them I checked the idea of the OT was to score the first goal, clean and simple. Tommasi did exactly that. What more should they have done? "Ah, no can't do, boys, keep the ball rolling, wasn't good enough for me." They should had got themselves together and scored another, sure, but come on, the rules are not meant to bend and twist regarding the case, they are supposed to be the same for everyone, even the Italians. The difference between a "great" and a "good" team isn't big enough for the better team to be able to win after getting screwed, you can't just say "Hey but the bad calls don't matter, just keep on going and scoring and you'll win if you really are that good". It worked like that back in the day, but not now that the amount of quality teams is massive.
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| 26 | kev
ID: 11438306
Wed, Jun 19, 2002, 17:55
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Sure, the OT goal was called back. It was a close call though. How about Vieri's wide open miss in regulation time? Or the fact till Korea scored the equalizer, Italy was playing at cruise control level.
They lost, fair and square. They are blaming the ref's because they dont want to face the one glaring fact- they got outplayed all tournament long, minus the first game. They didnt turn it on against Croatia until the Croatians took the lead. They were lucky to get the point against the Mexicans, and then they were soundly outplayed by the Koreans. You cant sit back in cruise control, and turn it on, and not get burned eventually.
The Italians are lucky they got as far as they did. Instead of whining, they should rejoice Croatia choked, and they didnt join France and Argentina at home.
The Mexicans dominated the US, and in a 1-0 game, there was a clear handball by the US side in the penalty area. The call wasnt made, and the Mexicans are eliminated. They were robbed by bad reffing as well. But do you see them carrying on this much?
Its time to realize the Italians were beat, fair and square. The scoreboard read 2-1 Korea. That's all that matters in the end. The crying and bellyaching isnt going to change that.
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| 27 | Samuli
ID: 3104968
Wed, Jun 19, 2002, 18:16
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Is there a broken record-player somewhere? Somehow I keep hearing the same arguments over and over again. How is that they got "soundly overplayed by the Koreans" when the ball-possession was 46%/54%, shots attempted were 11/12 and corner-kicks were 8/10? Sounds like a pretty damn close match to me.
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| 28 | Samuli
ID: 3104968
Wed, Jun 19, 2002, 18:19
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Oh, and Mexico lost 2-0, so it wasn't like that one bad call decided the game... Also, Mexico controlled the game totally, almost 70% ball-possession, yet I have heard no one mentioning that they deserved to win the game.
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| 29 | smallwhirled
Donor
ID: 17152614
Wed, Jun 19, 2002, 19:03
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Time to chime in...
Mexico controlled the game totally, almost 70% ball-possession, yet I have heard no one mentioning that they deserved to win the game.
Ball possession is a great statistic, but the US were playing a 3-5-2, and it's what Bruce Arena wanted, IMHO. I'm a biased fan, though, who's pretty pissed off at the antics of a player named Blanco, boy I wanted to put my fist through the television screen.
I don't remember the Italian media reacting like this 2 years ago when they lost "fair and square" in the Euro-finals against France, or four years ago when they lost "fair and square" in the World Cup quarter-finals, again against the Frenchmen. There was nothing to whine about so they didn't whine.
You need to factor in the level of the opponent. An Italian loss by more of a world power would be different, but a loss to South Korea results in a huge outcry. International soccer fans just do not let the outcome go away. The passion for their national team is just ridiculous. Then you factor in the every four year info, and the bad taste remains in the mouth so much longer.
Italy's outcry is an attempt to place the blame somewhere else than themselves. I'd be scared as hell coming home on a plane to millions of rowdy, pissed off fans, too. Soccer is a gentleman's sport, and sportamanship is something that puts it apart from other sports, but the blame on FIFA is just a way to save their necks, IMHO.
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| 30 | IRRIDUCIBILI LAZIO
ID: 221441621
Wed, Jun 19, 2002, 19:26
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leave them to their italy-insulting thread samuli, with this kind of minds you can't really make a controversial. It's not your fault guys, and i really don't want to insult someone, but i follow soccer 365 days a year, 16 hours a day, and i even dream about it, and all this since about 15 years ago. maybe we should have scored more goals, you're right, but holy s@!t, we scored 5 regular goals, 5, and they were all called back......can i please be upset of this??
have i the holy right to think that maybe if they allowed at least 1 of them (for example the 2-0's goal against croatia....) our world cup should have gone in another way, because we would have been already qualified against mexico and we should have rested nesta, cannavaro and vieri, meeting the u.s.a. instead of korea in the next round?? the thing you seem to don't understand is that in a competition as the world cup a game has to be seen in the complete competition's optic.
Damn, you continue to say that not all of the 5 goals were regular, but when i ask you to argument it with facts you don't reply, and you are just able to insult our players. it's not the way to have an opinion's exchange, this is an execution of italian players. I would have seen you if your team would have been robbed in that way......i can accept 1, 2 maybe 3 decisive bad calls, but hey, 5 goals robbed are too much. With one good call, i don't ask for a close one, i just ask for the 1 meter and half good position of vieri against croatia, we should be talking of how good italy is......damn, 1 meter and half is not a bad call, you can do a bad call on a close position, but that action was clear as the sun in summer, and a linesman called in the world cup can't do a similiar mistake.
And finally, about the false thing about the ahn situation, let's see if i'm able to clear it:
perugia paid ahn his salary, but now he's a free agent. If perugia wants they have a priority that allows them to sign him again paying a determined amount to his previous team which still detect half of his rights. So perugia simply doesn't want to sign him again, even because i assure you he's a mediocre player in european soccer. He just played 4 games last year, all in a mediocre way, so i think they are right when they don't want him anymore, expecially considering that he didn't show respect for them and our culture that has adopted him when he was no more than a korean hungry child.......can you blame them?? have them to buy him again at this conditions, considering that he really isn't a usefull player to them??
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| 31 | leggestand
ID: 501029817
Thu, Jun 20, 2002, 09:10
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They shouldn't have cut him only hours after he knocks Italy out. If you can't see that it was primarily based on what had occured in the World CUp you are blind. They could of easily cut him after the season, or right before the next season. But instead they cut him after he sends Italy home. If he doesn't score, they wouldn't have cut him at this moment.
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| 32 | Spyce
ID: 81144414
Thu, Jun 20, 2002, 10:27
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i think Italy is getting a bad rap in these forums - i think the team is composed mostly of prima donnas (no coincidence its an Italian term) and the diving is incredible - but there are lots of teams like that in the tournament and there are Italian players who are not like that - Maldini is just flat out a classy guy (he got kicked in the head and played on, no complaints) and i really like Del Piero, very skilled and doesn't play to the cameras like Veiri (sp?) - regardless of bad calls i believe they lost because they didn't play well as a team (not easy to do when your players only get together for a few weeks before the tournament because they all have comittments to other teams and tournaments) and they played a conservative style which is highly suceptible to just a few breakdowns (whether from bad calls or not)
culturally, Italians are passionate people (like many other mediteranean cultures), i think their passion for food, family, soccer, wine etc. is great - i've been to Italy several times over the last few years, i love it, the atmosphere is warm and vibrant and total strangers will offer to cook you dinner just because they are really into hospitality and proud of their traditions - one of the downsides is a potential lack of objectivity, and sometine speople think you're being indignant (sometimes they are)
North American/Great British culture in contrast is colder, more staid, clinical and objective - there are great advantages like efficient markets that produce a generally higher standard of living etc. but its less fun to visit
After the 'heat of the moment' initial posts i think Lazio has tried to be objective - his arguments are pretty clear - others have differing opinions that's fine to as long as they are based on the facts - but let the Italians be upset - they want to not resign a guy because he put them out of the WC let them, sounds like good business sense to me, if i'm trying to sell seasons tickets i don't need enemy #1 on my team - the Braves did a similar thing with John Rocker, his comments had no relationship to winning baseball games, but having him around was bad for the team's image - Perugia seems to have made the right business decision with a little Italian flair - i think its fun - let them wallow in their misery, when they win it will be all the more sweet for them
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| 33 | Myboyjack
Leader
ID: 4443038
Thu, Jun 20, 2002, 10:42
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Little point of reference: This year marks the 30th anniversery of the Russian/USA Olympic Gold Medal basketball game in which the Russians, with some major help from the officials, shocked the US at their own sport. (If you don't remember, the Russians basically got to keep trying to hit a game winning, last second shot until they got it right) At that time the US team refused to accept the silver, and whined, cried and complained along with most of the country, similar, perhaps not unlike some respected Italians on these boards. But we got over it, eventually - and came back with a vengence in '76 in Montreal - and I suspect, the Italians will do the same.
I love Italy!
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| 34 | IRRIDUCIBILI LAZIO
ID: 221441621
Thu, Jun 20, 2002, 11:46
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leggestand, if you don't know the things you're talking about, it should be convenient to you to don't judge a situation. Ahn contract has expired on may 30th, and perugia, after all his nice performances in the world cup should easily buy him from his old team for a predefinied price, which is incredibly low. They should easily gain a lot of money buying him and selling him to another team the day after, but they won't do that because Gaucci, perugia's owner is known here to be one of the greatest men in soccer for his correct administrating and his charatterial behaviour. Ahn unrespected perugia and all the italian soccer with all his thrash talking before the game, so he simply doesn't deserve to be made rich by us. it would be the same thing that would happen if an nba mediocre player would thrash talk about the u.s.a. and the n.b.a. . (for example if tsakalidis would say that u.s.a. are a bad place to live in, far worst than his country, and that the n.b.a. is badly organized, too histeric and overrated.......and tsakalidis is far better than ahn in his sport....)
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| 35 | leggestand
ID: 501029817
Thu, Jun 20, 2002, 12:12
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It makes it more understandable if that is the case, but:
Gaucci was quoted as saying.
"I have no intention of paying a salary to someone who has ruined Italian soccer."
That has nothing to do with what you said. Ahn has ruined Italian soccer??? That has nothing to do with disrespect to a country, it has to do with him scoring the goal. I may not know everything about this situation, but this quote by Gaucci pretty much says what I am saying.
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| 36 | IRRIDUCIBILI LAZIO
ID: 221441621
Thu, Jun 20, 2002, 12:21
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i told in my first post that that quote is absolutely wrong. I heared his words in the moment he said that in a tv programme, and i assure you that the quote is really wrong......
think about it, it's not a fact of hundred dollars, is a fact of about 5 million dollars.... could a man make a stupid action like that with just that pity motivation??
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| 37 | leggestand
ID: 501029817
Thu, Jun 20, 2002, 13:31
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LAZIO,
If that quote is false, then I understand what you mean. I think Spyce put it the best -
"they want to not re-sign a guy because he put them out of the WC let them, sounds like good business sense to me, if i'm trying to sell seasons tickets i don't need enemy #1 on my team."
It would cause a probem for him to be on the team. The crowd would always boo him, and it would be reverse home field advantage. I am sorry if I offended you with what I thought, but with what the article stated and quoted, I think my thoughts were justified.
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| 38 | IRRIDUCIBILI LAZIO
ID: 221441621
Thu, Jun 20, 2002, 16:45
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i'm not offended, go figure.....but we had caniggia after the upset of the 1990, when we lost world cup at home, we have trezeguet who denied us of an european championship, we had taffarel who denied us of a world cup lost at the penalties in the usa.......we aren't so stupid to let players go just because they scored against our national team, it would be a very very sad thing, and you know, italians are not sad people!!!
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| 39 | Tequila
ID: 01034810
Thu, Jun 20, 2002, 20:59
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Gaucci is not passionate, he's ultra passionate.
He often fires perugia's coaches more than once a season, i wouldn't give much credit to him.
He lost an opportunity to be silent.
Kev, the match between mexico and italy was not collusion, believe me. It lasted 4 minutes over 94 and sometimes it happens in soccer.
The objective it's not always to win, the objective is qualification when the formula is round-robin. It happens sometimes in champions league also. If you think to the match England-Nigeria, 0-0, you'd discover that england had no intentions to win since the beginning.
Is this bad sportmanship or collusion ? i don't think so. Take basketball, for example, when the sacramento kings leave webber on the bench for the whole 4th quarter when the advantage is over 20. What about people who paid the tickets to see webber show ? What about fantasy players who hoped webber scored a triple double ? What about gamblers who put their money for a victory with more than 20 points of difference ? Is this collusion or bad sportmanship ? I don't think so.
Rivaldo that pretended to be struck in the face is bad sportmanship, maradona who scored with a hand is bad sportmanship, Germany and Austria during a World Soccer Championship that agreed since the beginning for a draw to eliminate Algeria is collusion. Doping is far worse than that, do all the sports in us have antidoping rules ?
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