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Subject: Euro 2008
Posted by: coldwater coyotes
- [570432817] Fri, Jun 06, 2008, 13:41
With Casillas, Ramos, Pujol, Cesc, Xabi and El Nino, Spain are
looking good for the final.
I was ready to support Portugal to meet Spain in the final but, now
the ungrateful Ronaldo has become enemy #1, my money is on
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| 25 | Kyle
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Fri, Jun 13, 2008, 09:20
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YR, after watching my Tivo, I'm concerned about how well the Austrians are playing too. They were in the Croatian game the whole time and that first 25 minutes they could have and should have scored 3 goals. If the Germans allow them around the net like they let the Croatians, their Euro 2008 will most like be over. They seemed like they were keeping 8 guys around the middle of the field the whole game. No one was trying to get the ball to the goalie, and (as you could see on the replay of the rebound goal) no one was staying back when the ball did come into their zone.
Now I'm not one who knows a lot (or anything) about soccer strategy but in '06 the Germans played a fast pace high intensity style of soccer. They were trying to get to the goal and they'd create shots. The thing I saw in both games is when Schweinsteiger came in the intensity picked up, and he would try to create shots for his teammates. The only goal in the Croatian game was set up by him trying to penetrate the defense. Without him the Germans lose a lit bit of a spark, so it'll be interesting to see what happens in the Austrian game. I'm going to say right now, (a bold prediction/spoiler?) the Austrians will out shoot the Germans, and the Germans will still prevail, but it will be ugly.
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| 26 | leggestand
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Fri, Jun 13, 2008, 15:46
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Watching this Netherlands/France match made me realize that if the Dutch hold on to win, Italy and France are both likely out.
I mean, if you are the Dutch, you would have clinched 1st place already, so, you sit everyone against Romania and lose, putting Romania in with 5 points, vs the 4 points for the France vs Italy winner. I know it would be poor gamesmanship by the Dutch, but why would you ever play to win if a win gets you nothing, while a loss eliminates two of the top 5 teams in the world? All Italian fans better be rooting for the French right now.
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| 27 | youngroman
ID: 3751268
Fri, Jun 13, 2008, 16:34
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I don't want to see a 2nd Gijon: group stage world cup 1982, Germany - Austria 1-0, both advanced to the next stage. the game is still known as the shame of Gijon because after the early goal they pretty much stopped playing. it was ugly.
I also believe that the Dutch are not such a team. there are others that would exploit this situation, but not the offensive minded Dutch. they will likely play with 5 bench players that can show the coach that they are better choices for the quarterfinal.
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| 28 | leggestand
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Fri, Jun 13, 2008, 16:39
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That is true YR, and I hope they don't give the game away, as I want that France/Italy game to mean something. But, if there is no positive for beating Romania, and Romania is playing for everything, I just don't see how the Dutch win, unless the Romanians just implode due to nerves.
In reality, Romania may be deserving to be the 2nd best team in the group. France has looked poor and Italy has looked average, IMO.
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| 29 | barilko6
ID: 0531318
Fri, Jun 13, 2008, 19:03
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The Dutch are looking very good, and when you take into account the fact they are missing 3 of their top players, they are looking very very good.
GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Orange!!!!
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| 30 | Perm Dude
ID: 420241913
Sat, Jun 14, 2008, 21:35
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I was watching the Spain/Sweden match today (which I know was on delay), and across the bottom of the screen rolls the final score. What a pisser. Can't they hold off on the final score of the game they are currently showing?
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| 31 | youngroman
ID: 3751268
Mon, Jun 16, 2008, 16:37
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thats it. Germany was bad. We were worse. it was possible today, but we played our worst game at this Euro in the wrong game.
I blame it on our coach. we played a 4-4-2 system for the last few years only to change it to a 3-6-1 (5-4-2) in game 1 for this Euro. that can't work. not against Germany when your only striker is one head smaller than every German defender, except Lahm. I guess we need a new coach now.
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| 32 | coldwater coyotes
ID: 570432817
Tue, Jun 17, 2008, 11:36
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Doesn't get any better than a survival game between France and
Italy and perhaps it will all be nothing if Rumania can beat the
dutch reserves.
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| 33 | Ref
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Wed, Jun 18, 2008, 18:07
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RE: 31
I thought it was hilarious that both coaches were sent off at the same time.
I've watched pretty much all the games. The most dramatic was probably the comeback a few days ago. Down 2-0 and score two goals in the last few mins to win 3-2.
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| 34 | leggestand
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Thu, Jun 19, 2008, 09:16
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Ref - I can't imagine a bettyer game than the one you mentioned (Turkey/Czech Republic). Watching that game was unbelievable.
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| 35 | Ref
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ID: 539581218
Thu, Jun 19, 2008, 15:51
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It's funny...at half time, the ESPN guys were saying even though it is 2-0, Turkey has a knack for coming back. He kind of gave a wink to Fouty as if to say we need your ratings please don't turn the channel. Then boom...boom...BOOM!!!
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| 36 | youngroman
ID: 3751268
Fri, Jun 20, 2008, 17:19
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wow! another Turk miracle. next: the penalty shootout
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| 37 | Ref
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ID: 539581218
Fri, Jun 20, 2008, 17:19
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OMG!!!
I think this Croatioa-Turkey game is going to have to go on the list of my favorite games now. Incredible. Almost a full 120 mins with no goals then 2 in a minute--last in injury time to force penalty kicks. It was a last second goal. These games have been such a blast to watch.
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| 38 | youngroman
ID: 3751268
Fri, Jun 20, 2008, 17:30
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and Turkey wins! this will be a long night here in Vienna.
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| 39 | Perm Dude
ID: 465192016
Fri, Jun 20, 2008, 17:30
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Watched the first 15 minutes or so, and I thought Turkey was going to win--no scoring, but they were just parking in the box and Croatia looked a half-step slow. But both teams got good changes to score early.
I tuned in just before the teams came out of the tunnel. Why were the players taking the kids onto the pitch?
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| 40 | Mike D
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ID: 041831612
Fri, Jun 20, 2008, 22:49
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That's always done brutha. You've just gotta get Fox soccer channel. ;)
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| 41 | youngroman
ID: 3751268
Sat, Jun 21, 2008, 17:12
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and another underdog wins. I wouldn't bet on Spain tomorrow.
Russia played the better Dutch football today. I see them playing the final against Germany.
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| 42 | barilko6
ID: 26522510
Sun, Jun 22, 2008, 08:18
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I think the fact that Russia had Guus leading the helm made all the difference in the world today.
Anyone else coaching, and Holland wins.
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| 43 | Kyle
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ID: 052753312
Wed, Jun 25, 2008, 16:08
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I'm at work right now unable to watch the game so I'm reading the minute-by-minute commentary (which is actually quite interesting) and I guess the video has cut from the game. Anyone watching the game at home able to shed some light on this?
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| 44 | youngroman
ID: 3751268
Wed, Jun 25, 2008, 16:17
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all I can say is: there are thunderstorms all over Switzerland and Austria and there was a lightning stroke somewhere that shut the power down for a few minutes. so if the video is gone again thats the reason.
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| 45 | youngroman
ID: 3751268
Wed, Jun 25, 2008, 16:22
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Turkey is better at the moment. Germany loses too many posessions too quick. both teams are trying to shoot from the outside because their defenses are standing too good.
The Ref has not its best day today. there should have been a penalty (incl. yellow) for the foul on Lahm and a short free kick for Turkey for a foul on Kazim.
video is gone again.
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| 46 | youngroman
ID: 3751268
Wed, Jun 25, 2008, 16:24
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if we have the current weather conditions tomorrow, there will be no 2nd semifinal. the end of the world is near.
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| 47 | youngroman
ID: 3751268
Wed, Jun 25, 2008, 16:31
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2:1 Klose. haven't seen the goal yet.
video is back. I am currently seeing Swiss televion on the Austrian channel.
2:2 Semih. this goal is owned by Lehmann.
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| 48 | Kyle
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ID: 052753312
Wed, Jun 25, 2008, 16:31
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the end of the world is near.
If Germany loses this game that statement is right. As I type this Turkey gets a goal in the final 6 minutes. Is that 10 straight games they score with under 10 to go, or 20?
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| 49 | youngroman
ID: 3751268
Wed, Jun 25, 2008, 16:32
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according to http://www.allesaussersport.de/ the 2:1 was an error by Rüstü.
looks like an overtime. 2 minutes to go. this is usually the time of the Turks
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| 50 | youngroman
ID: 3751268
Wed, Jun 25, 2008, 16:34
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3:2 Germany
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| 51 | Kyle
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ID: 052753312
Wed, Jun 25, 2008, 16:35
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OH HELL! ESPN better have a replay of this game tonight... Lahm gets the winner.
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| 52 | Kyle
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ID: 052753312
Wed, Jun 25, 2008, 16:41
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So here's a question for you YR, the commentator said that "Germany are in the Euro 2008 final, with possibly one of the worst performances in the competitions history! Turkey have been robbed!!" Were they robbed by their own poor play or the refs?
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| 53 | youngroman
ID: 3751268
Wed, Jun 25, 2008, 16:51
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Turkey should have scored more goals in the 1st half. they were the better team for a majority of the game, but as always: a game lasts 90 minutes and in the end Germany wins.
Germany did not show much on the offense. they had a few flashes but nothing spectacular. this game reminded me of their 3-0 win over Austria this spring. We played as good as Turkey in the 1st half and failed to score on I don't know how many chances and got 3 goals out of as many chances in the 2nd. but Germany was not really better. not even in the 2nd half.
now I see Russia winning it all. they played by far the best football in the quarterfinals and will repeat tomorrow against Spain.
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| 54 | Kyle
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ID: 052753312
Wed, Jun 25, 2008, 17:05
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That's what I've been thinking about with Germany the whole tournament. In group play they didn't really attack, and I thought "well they don't want to show their hand to early" and then the first round they were out shot 2-1 and still pulled it off some how. I really hope we see Russia, maybe they'll play a slow tempo game like they did in group, instead of the game they played against the Netherlands.
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| 55 | Mike D
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ID: 041831612
Wed, Jun 25, 2008, 18:31
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I was also following it online and I was in shock throughout, especially with the late goal flurry. I remember using Rüstü in Winning Eleven.....
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| 56 | walk
ID: 181472714
Thu, Jun 26, 2008, 07:40
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Same here, Mike D. I was following it on-line. Must have been wild to watch, and then with the outtages, crazy suspense.
I may catch the Russia-Spain game. My company, a large Euro-based investment bank (with a substantial presence in NYC) is actually showing it live in a large auditorium for anyone to watch, and inviting employees to do so. How cool is that? Folks on the trading floor watch all of these matches anyway.
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| 57 | youngroman
ID: 2934823
Thu, Jun 26, 2008, 11:28
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I just wanted to leave work, but heavy rain, including hail, just started here in Vienna. if this continues it will be an interesting game today. or do we see a game tomorrow?
yesterdays problem with the video was because of an power outage in the UEAF International Broadcasting Center in Vienna, caused by a lightning. even the backup systems that are in place didn't work. they better learned from yesterday.
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| 58 | coldwater coyotes
ID: 570432817
Thu, Jun 26, 2008, 11:50
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What was particularly annoying was that the ESPN commentators
Rae and Gray were clearly not at the stadium so they could not
give a commentary by phone when there was the power outage.
Why would ESPN not have their commentators at the game?
Were they at the ESPN studio in the US?
One of the great things about these tournaments (world cup as
well) is the fan enthusiasm and commentators should be
describing this atmosphere. So they should be at the games.
it is wonderful to see the youth of the world getting together,
especially from the old eastern communist block.
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| 59 | Frick
ID: 23117516
Thu, Jun 26, 2008, 13:09
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Commentators that are not at the event is fairly common for events that don't have huge draw domestically.
All of the F1 races are done by commentators who are at a studio watching the race via the video feeds. Granted they have a live pit road reporter live at the event, but not having the commentators at the event saves huge money.
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| 60 | youngroman
ID: 3751268
Thu, Jun 26, 2008, 15:00
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heavy rain started again. there are lots of thunders and lightnings. the thunders aren't even stopping. I hear them now for 10 minutes non-stop. thats a some really bad weather. lets see how good the field really is.
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| 61 | Myboyjack
ID: 8216923
Thu, Jun 26, 2008, 15:02
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Vienna must have really wild weather. I was there in March and it was thundering and snowing heavily at the same time. Never seen that before.
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| 62 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Thu, Jun 26, 2008, 15:03
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Did I miss something? I was expecting a PK for Spain right there...
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| 63 | youngroman
ID: 3751268
Thu, Jun 26, 2008, 15:05
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I read today that until today we only had 11 rain days this year. so this weather is not common here. we had over 30 degrees on Monday and Tuesday, both offdays. And as soon as there are games the weather is bad.
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| 64 | youngroman
ID: 3751268
Thu, Jun 26, 2008, 15:09
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rule 1: it is a [insert decision here] when the Ref calls it.
possible decisions are:
- yellow card
- red card
- penalty
- offside
- ball out of bounds
- goal
I haven't seen a penalty foul yet.
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| 65 | Kyle
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ID: 052753312
Thu, Jun 26, 2008, 15:27
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With Villa hurt this is now Russia's game to lose. Fabregas is good and Spain's gonna need him to play up the hype that's surrounded him.
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| 66 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Thu, Jun 26, 2008, 16:06
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Well the Ref indicated that he didn't call the foul because the offensive guy elbowed--but he didn't.
Xavi with a goal. I like him a lot. Spain has totally outplayed Russia to this point. Rus should feel lucky they are only down 1-0.
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| 67 | Kyle
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ID: 052753312
Thu, Jun 26, 2008, 16:23
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Well it's too bad Russia won't move on. It seems they have a big hole in their defense. Stick someone right in front of the net just outside the goal area and just start taking shots from there. Spain has taken 5 from basically the same spot on the pitch and 2 have found the back of the net.
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| 68 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Thu, Jun 26, 2008, 16:27
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3-0 now.
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| 69 | Kyle
Donor
ID: 052753312
Thu, Jun 26, 2008, 16:28
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Make that 3 goals on 6 shots from that location.
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| 70 | Kyle
Donor
ID: 052753312
Thu, Jun 26, 2008, 16:33
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Well I guess my post in 65 was half right. According to the commentator for this game:
Fabregas has been OUTSTANDING since he came on by the way. Spain haven't missed Villa - the tournament's top scorer don't forget - one little bit.
Any word in the telecast if Villa will be fine by Sunday? I find it hard to imagine that he'd miss this game unless he was hurt badly.
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| 71 | coldwater coyotes
ID: 570432817
Fri, Jun 27, 2008, 01:51
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Such a disappointing game....?? ..... Russia seemed to be in
second gear...why?? I know Espana has a tough mid field but
this can not explain the poor performance of the Russians...what
happened to Arshavin?? he probably lost 10 million pounds in
his transfer value.
I guess in the end individual ability comes through.... there is no
doubt that Senna, Cesc, Silva etc are better players but I
asssumed that their tough seasons would leave them tired for
this tournament and the Russians would be mentally in better
shape.
My original projection (post 1) of Spain versus Germany is on
Sunday's menu.
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| 72 | Mike D
Leader
ID: 041831612
Fri, Jun 27, 2008, 07:55
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I'm more surprised about Germany than I am Spain. It's been a fun tourney, with more twists and turns than our local creek.
Great call coldwater. I really thought Portugal would be there. And agreed on Russia. Saw the game last night, and felt they lacked emotion and played tight at times. They played ok in the first half, but not sharp, and a bad time for that.
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| 73 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Tue, Jul 01, 2008, 10:45
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I thought it was a great finale and a great tourney. Pretty fun. Glad ESPN/ABC showed it.
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| 74 | Seattle Zen
ID: 29241823
Tue, Jul 01, 2008, 10:58
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I agree, I thought the final match was outstanding. If it were not for my stupid job, I would have been able to watch more matches! I missed all of Spain's previous matches and I'm upset about that, they looked great.
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