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Subject: U.S. to Weigh Human Computer Chip Implant
Posted by: Nerveclinic
- [4111541122] Wed, Feb 27, 2002, 00:40
In 1988 I first went and saw a conspiracy theorist talk. I've refered to him in other threads. As I mentioned earlier, he was killed shortly after 9/11 in a shoot out with the police. They went to his house because they said he had "illegal" weapons.
In any case, the guy was ex military intelligence and at one of the talks he claimed that there was a plan in place to eventually put computer chips into Americans, much like they do animals now for identification purposes.
In fact in his book, copywrited in 1991, on page 444 he reprints an article claiming that "big brother's coming" Revealed: Secret plan to tag every man, woman and child.
Mind you at this time most people would have been shocked to learn we were even considering doing it to animals. He claimed he had the inside plan and it was part of our future.
I mentioned it to a number of people and got two differant reactions. Those who don't easily believe in conspiracy theories thought it was ludicrous and the most absurd thing they had even heard. Those who do buy in to conspiracy find it very easy to believe.
Fast forward to today, associated press story:
"U.S. to Weigh Computer Chip Implant"
Here are a few choice quotes from the A.P. article.
A Florida technology company is poised to ask the government for permission to market a first-ever computer ID chip that could be embedded beneath a person's skin.
For airports, nuclear power plants and other high security facilities, the immediate benefits could be a closer-to-foolproof security system.
The implant technology is another case of science fiction evolving into fact. Those who have long advanced the idea of implant chips say it could someday mean no more easy-to-counterfeit ID cards nor dozing security guards.
Just a computer chip - about the size of a grain of rice - that would be difficult to remove and tough to mimic.
Other uses of the technology on the horizon, from an added device that would allow satellite tracking of an individual's every movement to the storage of sensitive data like medical records...
This would be a pretty effect form of control for a totalitarian government...in a far distant time of course. This shows how events like the Oklahoma bombing or 9/11 could be used to further restrict freedom as the article goes on to point out...
Applied Digital Solutions' new ``VeriChip'' is another sign that Sept. 11 has catapulted the science of security into a realm with uncharted possibilities - and also new fears for privacy. the company was hesitant to market them for people because of ethical questions. The devastation of Sept. 11 solidified the company's resolve to market the human chip and brought about a new sensibility about the possible interest.
Info on how it works...
The person seeking the implant takes the tiny device - about the size of a grain of rice, to their doctor, who can insert it with a large needle device. The device has no power supply, rather it contains a millimeter-long magnetic coil that is activated when a scanning device is run across the skin above it. A tiny transmitter on the chip sends out the data.
Without a scanner, the chip cannot be read. Applied Digital plans to give away chip readers to hospitals and ambulance companies, in the hopes they'll become standard equipment.
Mark of the beast anyone?...
Theologian and author Terry Cook said he worries the identification chip could be the ``mark of the beast,'' an identifying mark that all people will be forced to wear just before the end times, according to the Bible.
Applied Digital has consulted theologians and appeared on the religious television program the ``700 Club'' to assure viewers the chip didn't fit the biblical description of the mark because it is under the skin and hidden from view.
Yeah like that's going to convince the zealots.
If it was a National Enquirer article this might be just a chuckle but the heading to the article claims it's an AP story.
The article can be found here...
implant story
I just find it interesting that the possibilty is finally being spoken about openly. 12 years ago it sounded like a mad man talking to me...if he were still around, he could easily say...told you so. |
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| 143 | biliruben
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Wed, Mar 06, 2002, 18:27
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Though I believe Sarge is too much of a good, though maybe a bit naive, soldier, I don't think it is appropriate to besmirch his character by accusing him of being willing to intentionally go against the constitution.
If his nick was "General", however...
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| 144 | E'ville
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Wed, Mar 06, 2002, 18:37
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I'm really finding this entire topic amusing. It seems everyone stretches fact into fiction to make points.
1. Working in computers for the last 25 years I say yes it's possible to track 200 million people. You don't have to monitor everyone constantly. Just be able to retrieve data stored from times and places or track an individual who is needed by the police or for emergency.
2. The government doesn't need to control people. Even they realize that free working citizens are more productive and of more use to them that way. The only reason to track would be for illegal actions by people. Actually chips would make government more effecient and require less need for government. Now this would be quite foolish for them to do. Does anyone really think the government wants to blow the great tax ripoff they have created. Without crime they would be out of business in no time.
3. Business. They can track everything they want to know already (marketing info). No value in big brother control from them.
IMO not much to worry about. Taxes are already the perfect form of slavery. Why change boats.
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| 145 | Mattinglyinthehall
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Wed, Mar 06, 2002, 19:23
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Sarge, I don't mean to pick a fight, but I am troubled by your argument. Your challenges claiming we lack the technological capability to effectively pull off using the chip technology against our freedom have (pretty much) been refuted. Your stance that all technology can be misused is clearly flawed in that this is unlike any other technology. It goes in our bodies, giving the observer information about our locations and what ever other vital info you are branded with for now, and who's knows what else later. The best comparison you could offer was television and video, which is clearly not the same - and many complain is already too intrusive into our personal lives anyhow.
So your primary, or at least your strongest argument is that our government is beyond activities that are unconstitutional ...?
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| 146 | Nerveclinic
ID: 4111541122
Thu, Mar 07, 2002, 00:40
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MITH
Also, I don't know that anyone is concerned with anything like this happening immediately or "soon".
I am.
Soon enough anyway. 12 years ago when I was told about this I thought the guy was a "little paranoid" as Sarge says. Then last week I read an AP news release saying a company is asking the government for permission to use in humans...now...and it has tracking capability according to the article.
Perhaps the article was wrong? Perhaps not everyone read it.
Direct quote from the article...Other uses of the technology on the horizon, from an added device that would allow satellite tracking of an individual's every movement...
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| 147 | Nerveclinic
ID: 4111541122
Thu, Mar 07, 2002, 00:41
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I think Sarge is working for them 8)
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| 148 | Nerveclinic
ID: 4111541122
Thu, Mar 07, 2002, 00:46
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Sarge My point being, there is currently NO WAY of remotely tarcking via chip technology, every movement
So you think you know everything the boys in the "black project" department are working on? You don't think Military Intelligence and top secret CIA projects exist where the tech is a little further advanced then we are aware?
How much did we talk about the Stealth Bomber before it was first used? All of a sudden it appeared out of no where.
They were working on it since the late 70's.
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| 149 | Nerveclinic
ID: 4111541122
Thu, Mar 07, 2002, 00:55
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Notice it's the two guys in the military who are defending this and everyone else is appalled. What can we deduce from that Sarge?
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| 150 | Nerveclinic
ID: 4111541122
Thu, Mar 07, 2002, 00:56
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SZ These damn little things could eventually contain little drug testing sensors that alert authorities whenever it senses THC, cocaine, opiates, LSD, cylicybin, etc... in your bloodstream.
It always comes down to THC doesn't it bro...
Really doesn't need to detect drugs because most would be obsolete. If there is no money there would be no insentive to deal them therefore they would for the most part go away.
Only the ganja growers would still produce and share and I really don't think the Govt is all that worried about Pot heads.
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| 151 | Nerveclinic
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Thu, Mar 07, 2002, 01:09
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Sarge
20 years ago if I told you there would be a chip that could be implanted in humans with that could track them you would have called me paranoid.
10 years later when they announced a chip was being used in animals and did indeed have the tech I would say see I told you so, next they'll want to use them in humans, you would have called me paranoid.
10 years later, today, when they announce they want to use them in humans I say see next they will want to use them to control a population and you now have call me paranoid.
I sure hope your right this time.
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| 152 | Nerveclinic
ID: 4111541122
Thu, Mar 07, 2002, 01:15
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since the passing of a law such as you proposed in your scenario above, would be unconstitutional, I dont see it ever happening - Sarge
It would not be unconstitutional. And if it was, the Constitution can and has been ammended. If a crisis took place that was even more dramatic then 9-11 and Okl City, it would easily get ammended...then you wouldn't have a problem, right Sarge?
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| 153 | Nerveclinic
ID: 4111541122
Thu, Mar 07, 2002, 01:21
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All I really hope for when I start these threads is 150 responses.
We made it.
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| 154 | Nerveclinic
ID: 4111541122
Thu, Mar 07, 2002, 01:27
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Today's story:
NewScientist.com news service
Chinese scientists are claiming a great leap forward in human cloning - the creation of dozens of cloned embryos advanced enough to harvest embryonic stem cells.
Their intention is not to copy human beings, but create genetically matched cells to make tissues for transplant patients and for research.
Cooper told me this in 1990 also. As far as I know, cloneing of any kind wasn't even a public conversation at the time except in Science Fiction Novels.
Hope all the other stuff he told me was going to happen doesn't...
or we're in deep do do.
Just a hobby mind you.
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| 155 | TBRaiders
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ID: 4111151621
Thu, Mar 07, 2002, 01:41
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Nerve,
"further proof to me of the power of military brainwashing."
"Is there noone else on these boards besides myself and Baldwin, SZ and Billiburn who are chilled by the fact that Sarge and TB are ready for a micro chip implant as long as it's legal"
When I first responded to a thread a couple days ago and you questioned whether I was intentionally insulting you and further explained that "those tactics" were not the norm for this board, I was slightly confused.
Watching you pick out what portions of my or Sarge's responses you choose to nitpick or respond to and what portions you choose to avoid or ignore has helped me understand your "tactics". Seeing you twist my words around or just making false statements more then confirms it.
I am not ready for the chip and don't want it. Not only because I can't stand the idea of something foreign in my body, but also because I see no need for it.
I keep hearing all the negative applications for the chip and again, I have no desire to see this ever come about, but if it had all the capabilities that everyone has suggested then let's look at some positive ones. These are just off the top of my head but I bet we could come up with dozens. (I want to state one more time for Nerve before he twists my words and tells you I am brainwashed and ready to get my chip, "I do not want a chip")
SZ suggested that it could detect drugs in your body. How many people die a year because of carbon monoxide poisoning? What if it could detect harmful chemicals in your body that could save lives? What if someones heart stops beating and an immediate medical team could be sent to their location. Grandma has a heart attack when nobody else is at home. How many children run away from home or are kidnapped each year?
I once heard that marketing is all in how it is presented.
Bad example coming up, but the best I could come up with at midnight:
The local cable company is now open on Sundays to process monthly payments. Not only is this going to raise the cost of cable to cover the additional salary but the greed of the company just shines right through this new move.
The local cable company is now open on Sundays to process monthly payments. Now those working families will be able to take care of their bills during their leisure time. Just one more example of the cable company's willingness to make their service, customer friendly.
Some interesting objections and conversation in this thread, but also a lot of fluff. Our nation would go through another civil war before a law was passed requiring ID/Locator tags.
TB
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| 156 | Nerveclinic
ID: 4111541122
Thu, Mar 07, 2002, 02:52
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TB I am not ready for the chip and don't want it. Not only because I can't stand the idea of something foreign in my body, but also because I see no need for it.
I did not intentionally misrepresent your views. If I did I apolgize most sincerely but your follow up "positve" uses for a chip makes me question if you really are opposed. If you don't like the idea, then don't follow up with "positive" uses as it is confuseing.
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| 157 | TBRaiders
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Thu, Mar 07, 2002, 03:21
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I stated three times in my last post that I did not want the chip. I don't see how it could be confusing or how you can question if I am opposed to the chip.
After spending an hour or so reading through Michael's post and seeing a link (which I did not investigate) stating that Anthraz vaccines have been deemed safe, does it make all the arguments in that thread mute? Not really, because many different discussions surfaced and some valid points were made.
I am opposed to the chip, but can find 2 positive reasons for someone to have it for every negative reason you state we shouldn't. Doesn't mean I want the chip, but every now and then I can try to be a glass-is-half-full kinda guy. If all else, you are opposed and it seems like a good enough reason to argue.
;)
TB
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| 158 | Baldwin
ID: 4261155
Thu, Mar 07, 2002, 04:41
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TBRaiders
Grandma has a heart attack when nobody else is at home. How many children run away from home or are kidnapped each year?
- TB
Well then chips are double plus good. Perhaps cameras behind every mirror like in '1984' would also help in these cases. Yes double plus good.
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| 159 | Mattinglyinthehall
ID: 1832399
Thu, Mar 07, 2002, 09:22
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Nerve
I am. [concerned with v-chip technlogy being used against the freedoms of American civilians]
Soon enough anyway. 12 years ago when I was told about this I thought the guy was a "little paranoid" as Sarge says. Then last week I read an AP news release saying a company is asking the government for permission to use in humans...now...and it has tracking capability according to the article.
Regardless of what anyone's intentions for the chip might be, however sinister, I see the real danger being a situation where large numbers of people are pressured, by law or otherwise (I prefer to leave open the possibility that our government itself may not be our primary concern with regard to this subject - one of sarge's points that I feel is very strong), to have the chip implanted.
That scenerio would surely take cosiderable time to evolve.
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| 160 | sarge33rd
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Thu, Mar 07, 2002, 10:05
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frankly, given the recent development and advances in retinal scanning, I dont see the human implanted chip as going very far at all. The call for its development is to enhance security, yet the chip could be removed from its intended 'wearer' and thus poses a risk at that level. Retinal scans, are every bit as individualistic as are fingerprints. With a Texas bank currently installing retinal scanners at ATM's, thus doing away with the loseable/stealable PIN, I dont see retinal scanning being far removed from mainstream security enhancement deployments. Given that posture, I'd have to think the chip will continue to develop, but as it was originally planned, for pets/livestock vs human use.
Will there be those trying to call for human use? Of course. And it will be 'big business' making that call. Why? To expand their market, why else? Will they be shouted down? I believe so.
(btw, my source for the TX bank installing retinal scans was the Discovery channel show katie and I watched last week, when it was demonstrating security enhancement and developments which have occured over the past few years. The CEO of one of the TX based banks, cant recall now which, was shown as he demonstrated the retinal ATM.)
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| 161 | Baldwin
ID: 4261155
Thu, Mar 07, 2002, 11:48
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To my knowlege this implantable chip does not go by the name v-chip. That was the parental control chip put in TV's. Just a small correction.
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| 162 | Mattinglyinthehall
ID: 1832399
Thu, Mar 07, 2002, 12:56
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It's called "VeriChip". I guess I sort of inapropriately nicknamed it v-chip.
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| 163 | Bungers
ID: 5311343110
Thu, Mar 07, 2002, 14:28
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Is there a fat-free version of the VeriChip, and if so, does it have potential digestion side-effects? The wife would like to know. ;)
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| 164 | Myboyjack
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Thu, Mar 07, 2002, 14:51
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That's Verifunny
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| 165 | Bungers
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Thu, Mar 07, 2002, 15:21
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Knew I could count on you to top me, MBJ. :)
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| 166 | Nerveclinic
ID: 4111541122
Fri, Mar 08, 2002, 02:11
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See you guys in two weeks. Doubt I will have much time to post from S.E. Asia.
I just appreciate the fact that no matter what your opinion on the subject, Sarge and TB included, you were willing to make the effort to discuss an admitidly "out there" subject.
I do think it's a fascinateing subject no matter what you believe. I also give my word to the boards every claim I made above about past knowledge is true, at least within a year or two of the dates I gave.
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| 167 | biliruben
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Fri, Mar 08, 2002, 02:28
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Have a good trip, Nerveclinic. Bring something interesting to discuss back with you as a gift for us.
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| 168 | katietx
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Fri, Mar 08, 2002, 09:44
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Be safe Nerve...
Bungers tell Mrs. Bungers I'm interested too! LOL
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| 169 | sarge33rd
ID: 451392510
Fri, Mar 08, 2002, 10:00
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safe trip NC.
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| 170 | Baldwin
ID: 4261155
Sun, Mar 10, 2002, 20:42
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Universal tracking is getting started earlier than we thot.
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| 171 | sarge33rd
ID: 46231913
Mon, Mar 11, 2002, 12:33
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A) its not universal. I for one do not own a cell phone.
B) All U.S. carriers are under Federal Communications Commission orders to make it possible for police to locate cell phones calling 911...seems to me you are ignoring (by choice or overlooking) this key sentence in the article, when calling 911.
OK, I'd have to concede that if you can be tracked while calling 911, you could be tracked while calling any number, or potentially w/o calling even. However, I'd also have to think that since this is a nr specific guideline, software could/would be included which would activate the 'tracking mechanism' only if the dialed nr is 911. With that being the case, I have no problem with this at all. GM for ex, offers an option on most all of its line, which includes automated GPS locating in the event of an airbag deployment.In the event of a deployment, an operator calls you in the car to see if you are OK. If not, they sent Police/Ambulance/Paramedics as warranted. In terms of 'ancient' computer language programming (ie basic) all it calls for is a simple 'if-then'routine. IF the nr dialed is 911, then add GPS signal to the carrier wave. *shrug* No big deal really. If your dau for ex, is running down a dark street and someone is chasing her as she dials 911 on her cell phone, I'm thinking the ability to track her movement is a GOOD thing for law enforcement to have.
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| 172 | TBRaiders
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Mon, Mar 11, 2002, 13:40
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I have never given a lot of thought to how a cell phone works, but just figured it always had that capability.
My cell is government issue with a 404 area code out of Atlanta. It sure as heck rings wherever I am located without me having to dial-in my current location here in the US. I understand it is roaming, but always equated that to "telling" my carrier where I am.
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| 173 | nerveclinic
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Fri, Apr 05, 2002, 21:11
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Well the FDA approved the micro chip for human use today...it's a brave new world...
chip off the old block
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| 174 | Madman
ID: 35316313
Sat, Apr 06, 2002, 00:10
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The FDA did NOT approve the micro chip for human use today. This whole thing makes me rather sick, to be honest.
First, it makes me sick because of the brave new world point you are making, nerve.
Second, it makes me sick because, honestly, WTF is the FDA doing deciding anything on this issue? If the microchip stored medical data, the FDA ruled that it would have had jurisdiction to prevent production of the device. This is the FOOD and DRUG administration. Saying that they would have jurisdiction about what someone freely does in the privacy of their own property IF WHAT THEY DID HAD MEDICAL INFORMATION IN IT. It could be perfectly healthy, but if there's medical INFORMATION on it, the FDA could have struck.
I mean, WTF???
Nerve's concern about a Brave New World will hopefully only happen if we are stupid enough to let the government implant us with these things.
Apparently, the FDA has already taken over the role of Big Brother on their own, today, meaning we already HAVE BEEN this stupid in the past. Frankly, this is just amazing.
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| 175 | nerveclinic
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Sat, Apr 06, 2002, 17:17
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Madman you say: The FDA did NOT approve the micro chip for human use today.
My read of the article is that the FDA is the only government agency that could prevent the use, assumeing legislators don't get involved. They looked at it and determined they had no problem/jurisdiction.
Perhaps I worded the statement incorrectly but my point was...it was hiddented to the FDA and they said do what you want. Tacit approval through ignoreing the subject.
As an ultimate irony, a good friend of mine who has also followed this micro-chip and has been against it as well sent me that article. When I wrote back and made a comment, here is the reply I got back...
And I'm already up 30% on 1 day. ;-)
-d
He bought the stock and made 30% in one day, talk about irony. If you can't beat them join them...might be a great stock play if the boys really are behind it.
Nerve
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| 176 | nerveclinic
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ID: 332483113
Sat, Apr 06, 2002, 17:24
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I believe the company thought the FDA would have to approve because it is a foriegn device that is implanted into the human body.
For example does the FDA have jurisdiction over a woman who get's a breast implant? Did they have any say over the concerns about silicone leakage in breast implants? I don't know I am just asking the question, I would guess you know the answer though Madone.
My guess is that is why the company checked with the FDA.
I'm telling you man we will all have one some day and we won't be given a choice...sorry it's just what I believe and yes it's nothing more then a hunch.
Madman...always sorry to hear my words/thoughts/beliefs make you sick.
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| 177 | nerveclinic
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ID: 332483113
Sat, Apr 06, 2002, 17:40
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The stock went up 26 percent Friday alone. If we had invested when I first wrote about this Feb 27th...
here's what the investment press has to say...
cbs market watch
It started the day on Feb 27th at $.39 and ended the day at .46. If we bought that day at .46 we would have about a 50% profit today because it is sitting at .66 today.
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| 178 | Madman
ID: 35316313
Sat, Apr 06, 2002, 17:59
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nerve -- regarding the FDA, yep, they have to approve implants. I hadn't thought of that one. Although I still don't particularly see WHY they have to sign off. . . I mean, what if your watchband is corrosive and causes cancer . . . do they have to approve all of Timex's watches???
I think the reason for the breast implant approval is because silicon implants are considered (I'm guessing) a medical device, and the FDA has been tasked with approving all medical devices, IIRC.
And now I understand the connection between their ruling here, I think. If the gizmo under the skin would have had medical information in it, it would have been a medical device, and they could have banned it.
In general, the FDA HOPEFULLY does NOT have to approve all devices that are intrusive. I mean, are there FDA-approved tongue rings?
Back to your ID thing, I'm ambivalent right now. If someone wants to create an ID thing to implant in your body, more power to them, IMO. However, what worries me is if and when we might HAVE to do this. Obviously, governmental IDs like this would be horrible.
The middle ground that will precede that will be more difficult to fight -- namely companies requiring their employees to be ID'd to minimize health care expenditures or something (if you have an ID, emergency professionals could instantly know your blood type, medical history, etc., etc.) Or do this because of security.
Honestly, I don't care how small the device is. I'm not sticking it in my arm.
I'd recommend that your friend sell now and take his gains. Trying to actually get people to buy into this could be quite difficult. I HOPE.
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| 179 | nerveclinic
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Tue, Apr 09, 2002, 02:25
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It hit .74 today up another 12% 42% in two days.
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| 180 | nerve
ID: 4044133
Sat, May 04, 2002, 05:41
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Let's recap. The day I first broke this story to our message board Applied Digital was tradeing at .39 cents a share.
My friend bought in the mid 40's I believe on the day the FDA said they would not challenge the chip's use in humans.
Today? It's at $1.43
So if we bought at .39 and sold at 1.43 we would have more then tripled our money.
here's the chart
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| 181 | Baldwin
ID: 4261155
Sun, May 05, 2002, 10:05
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Now thaaat wouldn't be socially responsible investing now would it? 8]
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| 182 | nerve
ID: 28419421
Sun, May 05, 2002, 16:14
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hey baldwin, if you can't beat em, join em.
And that would be social engineering investing.
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| 183 | nerve
ID: 28419421
Sun, May 05, 2002, 16:15
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Or if you can't beat em, you might as well make some money along the way.
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| 184 | nerve
ID: 28419421
Fri, May 10, 2002, 21:27
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Surprized noone beat me to it. Well it's a brave new world...
Family Gets Computer Chips Implant
BOCA RATON, Fla. (AP) - A Florida family on Friday became the first to be implanted with computer chips that researchers hope will someday become an easy way to provide emergency room staffers with patients' medical information.
Jeff and Leslie Jacobs, along with their 14-year-old son, Derek, had the tiny chips implanted in their arms. Each chip is about the size of a grain of rice, and insertion takes about a minute under local anesthesia.
The chips, called the VeriChip, were designed by Palm Beach-based Applied Digital Solutions Inc. They are similar to chips implanted in pets to identify them if they are lost.
The family wanted the implants in case of future medical emergencies.
``We're doing this as a security for us, because we've worked so hard to save my husband's life,'' said Leslie Jacobs, 46.
Her 48-year-old husband has suffered through cancer, a car crash, a degenerative spinal condition, chronic eye disease and abdominal operations. His injuries have forced him to quit his dental practice.
``It's been really easy and I feel a lot better that I have it,'' he said after the implant.
The chips used by the Jacobs family contain only telephone numbers and information about previous medications. The data can be read by a hand-held computer and printed out.
The Food and Drug Administration said in April that it would not regulate the implant as long as it contains no medical data. Company officials said they were free to proceed because the implant contains identification numbers that correspond to personal medical information in a separate database.
The FDA did not consider the implant to be a medical device, company officials said. An FDA spokeswoman in Miami did not immediately return a phone call. The FDA had said regulation would be needed if medical records were stored to guard against storage of outdated records.
Company officials hope to eventually include more extensive information. The company says it would be particularly valuable for those who suffer from Alzheimer's disease or others with difficulty providing medical information on their own.
VeriChip is expected to sell for about $200. A scanner used to read information contained in the chip would cost between $1,000 and $3,000.
The chip, which could also be used as a security tool, has stirred debate over its potential use as a ``Big Brother'' device to track people or invade the privacy of their homes or workplaces.
Jacobs and his family brush aside those arguments. Anyone can be tracked through the Internet and e-mail, credit cards and cellular phones, they say.
Well there you have it, the deed has been done, the future is before us. It's a brave new world.
No big deal. Just a little micro chip below the skin. All American family is the first to have it done. They are relieved to have the implant.
The implant is good. It makes us feel safe. We feel allot better now that we can be tracked and cataloged and followed...
Brave new world. I just wish I didn't know this was going to happen 12 years ago...
In case anyone thinks it's a hoax here's the link...
news story detailing the event
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| 185 | nerve
ID: 28419421
Fri, May 10, 2002, 21:40
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and an article on cbs market watch touting the stock which was as high a 2.20 a share this week. You will remeber when I sugested it would be a good stock buy it was at about .45. it closed today at 1.60 at the end of a tough market week. With this new implanted family story I bet there is allot more top side.
cbs market watch story.
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| 188 | Baldwin
ID: 4811522721
Fri, May 10, 2002, 22:39
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I am sure everyone who called you crazy for believing in that crazy scenario will now line up and apologize.
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| 189 | nerve
ID: 28419421
Sat, May 11, 2002, 05:08
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or line up for their implant
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| 190 | nerveclinic
ID: 465102615
Mon, Aug 23, 2004, 22:59
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And the beat goes on...
more implant news
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| 191 | TB
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Tue, Aug 24, 2004, 01:22
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Got my chip today. Funny thing is, I was driving home and forgot where I lived. A beacon went off in my armpit and guided me home.
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| 192 | nerveclinic
ID: 34757310
Mon, Dec 06, 2004, 23:28
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Post 185 and an article on cbs market watch touting the stock which was as high a 2.20 a share this week. You will remeber when I sugested it would be a good stock buy it was at about .45. it closed today at 1.60 at the end of a tough market week. With this new implanted family story I bet there is allot more top side.
Stock closed today at $7.16. Anyone take me up on my prediction when it was at $1.60 in May 2002?
unfortunately I have a rule about only buying index funds or I might be looking at early retirement.
My friend bought shares of this anywhere from .45 to just over a buck.
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| 193 | Baldwin
ID: 17114795
Thu, Dec 09, 2004, 07:54
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I have a rule about only buying index funds - Nerve
Was that from Brinker's advice? Because I certainly think index funds are the best to own out there and outperform other vehicles historically. I have my own rule however. I only invest in my own businesses. Have faith in your own potential is the entrepreneur's way.
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| 194 | nerveclinic
ID: 34757310
Fri, Dec 10, 2004, 03:23
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Baldwin I have a rule about only buying index funds - Nerve
Was that from Brinker's advice?
It's a combination of Brinker’s advice and all my investment money being tied up in 401K's that only offer index funds.
Even if I could invest in individual stocks I would hesitate.
Consider this.
There are brokers and hedge fund annalists who study maybe 3-4 stocks for a living. That's all they do every day. Every day 3-4 companies are their life.
That’s all they do.
They read everything they can about the company. They are on the phone and computer all day studying these companies.
They have conference calls directly with the companies at least once a week.
They ask very specific questions. By law the company has to answer honestly. If they don't like the way the question is answered they ask it again 5 different ways until they are satisfied. These Conference calls last about 2 hours.
They listen for nuances in the answer.
They record the conversation and go back and listen to every word, every detail. If they discover something on the tape they don’t like they call the company back up for clarification.
They get all the companies numbers and the nuances of the numbers fresh off the press.
These annalists have information that I don't have access to.
How can I compete with that?
I'll stick with index funds.
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