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0 Subject: Eminent domain

Posted by: Perm Dude
- Leader [1754479] Mon, Jun 23, 2003, 22:42

Baldwin touched upon the problem of towns taking private property for private development on a thread some time ago (to which I mentioned my own state's attempt to take a woman's home in Atlantic City and give it to Donald Trump for a new casino parking lot).

This is an issue, however, which won't go away.

As much as I don't like the Libertarians leading my battles, I gotta give props to the Institute for Justice (who were no doubt named by Stan Lee) and now fights crime for the downtrodden homeowner.

pd
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44Boldwin
      ID: 543312819
      Sat, Jun 25, 2005, 21:15
I'd like our lawyers to explain how case law gets reversed.
45Perm Dude
      ID: 165591315
      Sat, Jun 25, 2005, 21:20
SCOTUS said that the states need to do any banning of this practice, not SCOTUS. And that's what the states and municipalities need to do.

Baldwin, you should really take care to understand exactly what is being said by SCOTUS. Yes, it's case law. No, it's not being "reversed" when states follow up on their suggestion.
46Boldwin
      ID: 543312819
      Sat, Jun 25, 2005, 21:26
You misunderstand me. I mean how can a SCOTUS ruling be reversed if it is already in contravention to the constitution. What good would a constitutional amendment be?

I'd also like to know how any case law [particularly ones that have passed SCOTUS review] could pragmatically ever be overturned.
47Perm Dude
      ID: 165591315
      Sat, Jun 25, 2005, 21:27
Only by a fresh SCOTUS. Or by a clearer Constitutional amendment.
48nerveclinic
      ID: 3454230
      Sun, Jun 26, 2005, 06:21
So Baldwin, it's the liberal judges who want to take property away from the common man and give it to the rich?

That's exactly what this ruling was about. If you are poor and someone who is richer then you and can generate more taxes for the state wants your property then your screwed.

Are you suggesting a liberal court wants to take property from the poor and give it to the rich?...puhleeze.

This is the Reagan Bush Scotus.

Just because a few conservative judges voted against it doesn't mean this isn't a conservative SCOTUS across the board.

Again just look at the medical MJ ruling.

Pathetic.

Land of the free.

Again Baldwin, when conservatives blow it you have to try and find a way to blame it on someone else.

49Boldwin
      ID: 543312819
      Sun, Jun 26, 2005, 09:37
Nerve

Surely you can see the chasm between Rehnquist, Scalia and Thomas...

...and O'Connor, Kennedy, Souter, Stevens.

The second group were all appointed by Republicans and there is hardly a conservative or strict constructionist bone in their bodies and I refuse to blame conservatives for their terrible rulings. The only reason Republicans nominated them is that Dems Borked the ones we really wanted. That and the fact that Ford and the Bush's are country club RINOs in reality.
50Myboyjack
      ID: 121159118
      Sun, Jun 26, 2005, 11:28
SCOTUS said that the states need to do any banning of this practice, not SCOTUS.

Well, that's just sad. The taking s caluse is right there in the Constitution. How 'bout if SCOTUS just leaves all the provision agsisnt unjust government intrustion up to the the states need to do any banning of this practice, not SCOTUStest.

Arrest people without a warrant or probable clause? Just leave it to the state ot ban the practice.

Institution of an official governmen religion? Just let the states ban the practice.

Quartering of troops in provate homes? Let the states ban the oractice.

Nice.


Are you suggesting a liberal court wants to take property from the poor and give it to the rich?...puhleeze.

This is the Reagan Bush Scotus.


Of Breyer, Stevens Souter and Ginsberg, the liberal nucleus of SCOTUS that has formed the majority on these two (2) decision, onlt Souter was a Bush Reagan appointee. Kennedey, in the past three years has swung from a moderate to the liberal sideon both these decisions.

It is the liberals on the Court (with the Kennedey swing) who have accounted for the 5-4 majorities in Lawrence, Raich and now
New London. nerve, for you to blame the consrvatives on SCOTUS or Bush/Reagan appointments is a pretty clear demonstration of ignorance. I know you take the Bob Brinker guy as some kind of prophet, but his take is way off.
51Boldwin
      ID: 543312819
      Sun, Jun 26, 2005, 19:01
I like Brinker. I just think he is upset with how little Republicans have got for all their electoral victories. Not much conservative government for sure.
52nerveclinic
      ID: 3454230
      Sun, Jun 26, 2005, 23:37

I like Brinker. I just think he is upset with how little Republicans have got for all their electoral victories. Not much conservative government for sure.

Well the nice thing about Brinker is he isn't partisan. Even though he is a died in the wool capitalist he praises Repubs and Dems when they make decisions he likes and he takes both to the wood shed when he disagrees.

He's all but implied on his show the last few months that there's been a pro oil conspiracy to keep the country dependent on it rather then looking for alternative energy sources.

Alternative energy is one of his biggest topics lately but he's given up all hope that it's possible to get a politician to do anything about it.

By the way I agree 1,000 percent with your points in post 41. You hit the nail on the head.

53Perm Dude
      ID: 165591315
      Mon, Jun 27, 2005, 16:03
Just wanted to throw out this great money quote from Clarence Thomas' dissent in the case:

[I]t is backwards to adopt a searching standard of constitutional review for nontraditional property interests, such as welfare benefits, see, e.g., Goldberg, supra, while deferring to the legislature’s determination as to what constitutes a public use when it exercises the power of eminent domain, and thereby invades individuals ’ traditional rights in real property. The Court has elsewhere recognized “the overriding respect for the sanctity of the home that has been embedded in our traditions since the origins of the Republic,” Payton, supra, at 601, when the issue is only whether the government may search a home. Yet today the Court tells us that we are not to “second-guess the City’s considered judgments,” ante, at 18, when the issue is, instead, whether the government may take the infinitely more intrusive step of tearing down petitioners’ homes. Something has gone seriously awry with this Court’s interpretation of the Constitution. Though citizens are safe from the government in their homes, the homes themselves are not.
54Myboyjack
      ID: 121159118
      Mon, Jun 27, 2005, 21:02
nerve's Liberals to the rescue from the "conservative" decision: John Coryn (R) Texas introduces "eminent domain reform" bill
55Perm Dude
      ID: 165591315
      Mon, Jun 27, 2005, 22:29
Contacted my state rep here and we're working on some language for PA. Contacted the Institute for Justice (their page on the case, which they argued before SCOTUS) is here), and CastleCoalition.org.

I'm hoping to get some model legislation out of these folks. Their sites are geared toward helping homeowners fight takeovers, and teaching people how to see takeovers coming. They aren't altogether pro-active, however, but we need to be so to stop this thing now.
56Boldwin
      ID: 543312819
      Mon, Jun 27, 2005, 23:33
I would think there could be a rock solid constitutional amendment in record time. I haven't seen one sane person for this decision.
57nerveclinic
      ID: 3454230
      Tue, Jun 28, 2005, 02:57
Is this the first time the entire forum has agreed on a position? Liberal, conservative does anyone think SCOTUS made the right decision???

I think this is a first.

58Stuck in the 60s
      Dude
      ID: 274132811
      Tue, Jun 28, 2005, 10:27
Although I loathe this practice, I think SCOTUS nailed it with their decision.
The states must ban using eminent domain as weapon of mass destruction if they want to ensure that homes are sacrosanct. Clarence Thomas's argument in his dissent(53)makes a lot of sense, but why rely on the court when we the people can do this for ourselves?
Essentially, communities want to be able to raise their tax base by substituting developments for neighborhoods. That's just wrong.

Don
59Seattle Zen
      ID: 178161719
      Tue, Jun 28, 2005, 10:27
No, everyone agreed that Scientology sucks ass first.
60myboyjack
      ID: 234581910
      Tue, Jun 28, 2005, 10:39
why rely on the court when we the people can do this for ourselves?

So, if Texas decides to pass a law outlawing mixed race marriage, SCOTUS should just stay out of it and let the "people" take care of it? The whole point of having a Bill of Rights is to put some things beyond the reach of "the people"
61Perm Dude
      ID: 165591315
      Tue, Jun 28, 2005, 10:43
Thomas' point was that it's SCOTUS' job to weigh the actions of the states against the Constitution and when the first are found to violate it that they need to stop it, not send it back to the states for fixin'.

The practice is wrong, on a point of law, because of its unconstitutionality. And that's why SCOTUS exists, to stop those legislative actions which are against the Constitution.

pd
63Stuck in the 60s
      Dude
      ID: 274132811
      Tue, Jun 28, 2005, 16:07
MBJ: Point taken. The court should have ruled differently. I guess you could have used most civil rights-related decisions as well. But, in the meantime, why should not the citizens of every state enact legislation to keep eminent domain out of court in the first place?
Do you really think there's a developer somewhere who would pay to take a case to SCOTUS if most states had laws on the books specifically banning the practice?
PD: I agree it's unconstitutional. But I also believe it's wrong by any other standard.

Don
64Myboyjack
      ID: 121159118
      Tue, Jun 28, 2005, 16:45
But, in the meantime, why should not the citizens of every state enact legislation to keep eminent domain out of court in the first place?

Because sometimes legislative bodies, city councils do stupid and/or crooked things either out of ignorance or malice or greed. The FF knew this and the point of the protections embodied in the Bill of Rights was to protect us from the wolves. What SCOTUS has done is leave us to them.

It just a very, very queer line of reasoning, but it is not wholly unexpected from this very strange Court. Seems like, escpecially, ever since Bush v. Gore SCOTUS has been taken over by aliens who don't understand long-held concepts of juris prudence very well. Remember the Martin v. the PGA case? Ithink that was the start of something very wrong.
65Revvingparson
      Sustainer
      ID: 059856912
      Wed, Jun 29, 2005, 08:26
PD, I think you're right it needs to be a state by state change.

Found the following, it didn't take long:

Press Release

For Release Monday, June 27 to New Hampshire media
For Release Tuesday, June 28 to all other media

Weare, New Hampshire (PRWEB) Could a hotel be built on the land owned by Supreme Court Justice David H. Souter? A new ruling by the Supreme Court which was supported by Justice Souter himself itself might allow it. A private developer is seeking to use this very law to build a hotel on Souter's land.

Justice Souter's vote in the "Kelo vs. City of New London" decision allows city governments to take land from one private owner and give it to another if the government will generate greater tax revenue or other economic benefits when the land is developed by the new owner.

On Monday June 27, Logan Darrow Clements, faxed a request to Chip Meany the code enforcement officer of the Towne of Weare, New Hampshire seeking to start the application process to build a hotel on 34 Cilley Hill Road. This is the present location of Mr. Souter's home.

Clements, CEO of Freestar Media, LLC, points out that the City of Weare will certainly gain greater tax revenue and economic benefits with a hotel on 34 Cilley Hill Road than allowing Mr. Souter to own the land.

The proposed development, called "The Lost Liberty Hotel" will feature the "Just Desserts Café" and include a museum, open to the public, featuring a permanent exhibit on the loss of freedom in America. Instead of a Gideon's Bible each guest will receive a free copy of Ayn Rand's novel "Atlas Shrugged."

Clements indicated that the hotel must be built on this particular piece of land because it is a unique site being the home of someone largely responsible for destroying property rights for all Americans.

"This is not a prank" said Clements, "The Towne of Weare has five people on the Board of Selectmen. If three of them vote to use the power of eminent domain to take this land from Mr. Souter we can begin our hotel development."

Clements' plan is to raise investment capital from wealthy pro-liberty investors and draw up architectural plans. These plans would then be used to raise investment capital for the project. Clements hopes that regular customers of the hotel might include supporters of the Institute For Justice and participants in the Free State Project among others.

# # #

Logan Darrow Clements
Freestar Media, LLC

Phone 310-593-4843
logan@freestarmedia.com
http://www.freestarmedia.com
66Boldwin
      ID: 543312819
      Wed, Jun 29, 2005, 09:13
Sweeeeeet
67Boldwin
      ID: 543312819
      Wed, Jun 29, 2005, 14:22
Justice Souter is living at 34 Cilley Hill Road on land that is just begging [seriously...no joke] to host the new 'Lost Liberty Hotel' which will doubtlessly provide an incease in the taxbase of Weare, N.H.

Developer Logan Darrow Clements has sent a request to the five people on the Board of Selectmen. If three of them vote to use the power of eminent domain to take this land from Mr. Souter, Mr. Clements can begin his hotel development -- and we can begin the process of reversing this travesty of justice. He already plans to raise investment capital from wealthy pro-liberty investors and draw up architectural plans. These plans would then be used to raise additional capital for the project.

Don't you care about the public interest of Weare N.H.? Don't you think even might Justice Souter once he hears your plea? Let them know you support this wise use of publi...er private land cruelly and foolishly withheld from best use by Justice Souter.
68sarge33rd
      ID: 344362512
      Wed, Jun 29, 2005, 17:48
seldom before, have I been in favor of "using" the law to accomplish a revenge motivated purpose. This however, is one case where I find it particularly fitting.

Go Logan!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
69biliruben
      ID: 531202411
      Fri, Jul 01, 2005, 11:17
I'm not a fan of Todd Zywicki, but I like his informative economic analysis of Kelo.

So if one is truly concerned about the holdout power problem, then the correct solution is to require the city to eliminate the artificial scarcity that "requires" the building to be built in New London rather than some other city, the same way that a new school would have to be built in New London. If we allow both the subsidies and the Taking for the benefit of the private party, we are allowing the distribution tail of what city the Pfizer headquarters will be built to wag the efficiency dog of whether the homeowner is holding out versus having subjective value. Instead, we want to have the parties bargain ex ante before they finally select the city--i.e., choose the city and the plot of land at the same time--not bargain ex post after the city is selected. Forcing an ex ante bargain when there are still many substitutes for the proposed site would eliminate the holdout problem and allow us to determine the extent of parties' subjective value, because the negotiations would be conducted against the backdrop of a competitive market, rather than a bilateral monopoly. The bilateral monopoly is thrust upon the city in the road or post office scenario; it is freely-chosen in the Kelo situation.

Instead, the ruling in Kelo enables the worst possible economic outcome--it permits cities to create artificial scarcity just to get a larger piece of a stable-sized pie (getting Pfizer to New London rather than Hartford), while then permitting cities on the back end to take land from private landowners who may or may not be losing subjective value and being undercompensated in the process.

And the incentive effect of Kelo is obvious--it now enables corporations to extract both subsidies and takings as the price for locating in city A rather than city B.


Also, you too can wear a Clarence Thomas quote!
70Myboyjack
      ID: 121159118
      Mon, Jul 04, 2005, 18:48
Nancy Pelosi makes up reasons to support Kelo - or at least not to oppose it.

She must be another one of those conservatives - right, nerve.
71Toral
      ID: 53422511
      Fri, Aug 05, 2005, 11:54
Kelo concerns not just "hypotheticals".
Justice O'Connor and the other justices in dissent were deeply troubled - and rightly so. "The specter of condemnation hangs over all property," worried Justice O'Connor. "Nothing is to prevent the State from replacing any Motel 6 with a Ritz-Carlton, any home with a shopping mall, or any farm with a factory."

The majority dismissed these concerns as mere "hypotheticals." To the petitioners' plea to stick to the founding conception of the Takings Clause and categorically exclude economic development takings, the Court said no. When the homeowners argued that "public use" ought to stay limited to an actual use by the public or at least an assured right of public access, the Court said no again. Instead of setting forth clear guidelines, Justice Stevens - writing for majority - simply deferred to the urban planning of the municipality and said other cases "can be confronted if and when they arise."

Well, they're here. The ink was barely dry on the opinion when a Texas town filed to seize two family-owned seafood companies, in favor of transferring these properties to a fancier business with a private boat marina.

A few weeks after Justice O'Connor's expression of worry, a Missouri municipality voted to condemn 85 homes and small businesses, intending to use the property for a $165 million shopping center and office complex.

And yet another city in the "show-me state," Arnold, plans to take 30 homes and 15 small businesses, transferring the property to be used for a Lowe's and a strip mall.
Toral


72Razor
      ID: 5718511
      Fri, Aug 05, 2005, 12:19
Find me some Supreme Court justices who will overturn this decision.
73Perm Dude
      Dude
      ID: 030792616
      Fri, Aug 05, 2005, 12:26
Love to hear Roberts' take on Kelo. Anyone know if he's expressed an opinion on it? Even if he's anti-Kelo he's going to be replacing O'Connor so it's a wash. We need another angle on this to take to SCOTUS again, to give an opportunity to refute the "hypothetical" argument. [Hell, all of the law is "hypothetical" in the way SCOTUS put it in Kelo. Just some parts are less hypothetical than other parts].

Here in PA we're working on legislation to prevent the local takings. But local governments are going to be much faster even in pro-active states like Pennsylvania. States have to get to work on this now, as many local governments were merely waiting for the Kelo decision to move with their planning commissions on a whole host of things.

pd
74Madman
      ID: 43410119
      Fri, Aug 05, 2005, 12:34
Razor -- are you turning into a Clarence Thomas fan afterall? :)
75Myboyjack
      ID: 27651610
      Fri, Aug 05, 2005, 12:36
Alabama has already become the first state to pass "anti-Kelo" legislation.

Remember when it was SCOTUS that safeguarded liberty and Constitutional rights from Wallace and the Alabama legislature? The world has turned upside down.
76Madman
      ID: 43410119
      Fri, Aug 05, 2005, 12:51
How this mess is playing in Arkansas ... until recently, everyone assumed that we were immune from a Kelo-style problem. It's looking more and more like we may need to follow Alabama's lead.

On a related note, when the high court starts redefining words like "public use", there is a large ripple effect.

Lastly, I would also argue that the world isn't upside down ... it's just returning to the way it almost always has been. Unfortunately, because the feds got one issue right and some states got it wrong, people have forgotten the way the world has traditionally turned.
77Myboyjack
      ID: 27651610
      Fri, Aug 05, 2005, 12:56
Unfortunately, because the feds got one issue right and some states got it wrong, people have forgotten the way the world has traditionally turned.

I agree completely. The states have traditionally been much better protectors of liberty than have SCOTUS or the Feds.

State constitutions and SCs still provide more protection.
78Madman
      ID: 43410119
      Fri, Aug 05, 2005, 12:59
heh ... I may have found a loophole in the Arkansas Democrat-Gazette's security ... Google cache's! Anyway, that's another interesting article detailing how eminent domain is coming down here.

And, I'm not just trumpeting Arkansas b/c this is where I'm at. I think it is independently an interesting case because, as I said before, a few years ago, we had clear Constitutional limits preventing a Kelo-style taking. We are a Southern red-state which stereotypically suggests we would be adamentally against this sort of thing. Yet, things are starting to go topsy-turvey as Kelo ironically is opening people's eyes to the fact that if you change the interpretation of the wording of the Constitution (exactly like what the SCOTUS did) and couple that with some new legislation, there is perhaps no reason why a Kelo-style taking couldn't happen here.
79nerveclinic
      ID: 3454230
      Sat, Aug 06, 2005, 04:18
MBJ Nancy Pelosi makes up reasons to support Kelo - or at least not to oppose it.
She must be another one of those conservatives - right, nerve.


What's your point? Do you think I'm incapable of thinking there are plenty of idiotic liberals out there?

Still it was a Republican Court that ruled but most true "Conservatives" wouldn't stand for this.

Of course Brinker said "Right Wing" not "conservative'.

Of course if you read the article you linked to she claims to disagree with the ruling, although her reasons for voting against the law prohibiting eminent domain of private property were absurd.

She said she doesn't want to withhold federal dollars "for the enforcement of any decision of the Supreme Court, no matter how opposed I am to that decision."

So we still have a liberal here MBJ who is saying she disagrees with the ruling.
80Boldwin
      ID: 49626249
      Sat, Aug 06, 2005, 04:45
for the enforcement of any decision - Pelosi

There is no limit to politician's weasel words and insults to the intelligence. SCOTUS didn't demand that ED takings occur so as to require enforcement.

What if the SCOTUS allowed intergalactic travel and the federal government refused any federal dollars for the project? Could Pelosi say that she was for enforcing this decision by calling for federal funding of intergalactic travel even tho she was against it in principle?

Dishonest abuse of language on her part. Politicians raise deception to an artform.
81Perm Dude
      Dude
      ID: 030792616
      Sat, Aug 06, 2005, 10:11
Pelosi is a weasel. A poster child for why people are leaving the Democratic Party.
82Perm Dude
      Dude
      ID: 030792616
      Sat, Aug 06, 2005, 10:30
Just read a good column by Charles C. Haynes in my local paper (column not online yet apparently, though Haynes' bio is here, about how Kelo puts churches and their property in a much more dangerous position.

I hadn't thought of churches as being subject to seizure (well, rezoning), but it's not unheard of even pre-Kelo.
83Madman
      ID: 114321413
      Sun, Aug 07, 2005, 09:32
Nerve -- Still it was a Republican Court that ruled but most true "Conservatives" wouldn't stand for this.

Good grief. Rhenquist, Scalia, Thomas and O'Connor were DEFEATED on this ruling.

If you want to lay the blame for this ruling on the hands of Republicans, you have to really stretch. The three "republican" defectors were Stevens -- nominated by Ford *because* he was perceived to be a moderate; Kennedy -- nominated by Reagan after Bork/Ginsburg fiascos forced Reagan to appoint a moderate; and Souter who was simply a terrible pick.

So, if you want to blame this on the Republicans, do note that their errors were made in the interests of bipartisanship. So much for the value of cooperating with Democrats, eh?
84biliruben
      ID: 531202411
      Thu, Aug 18, 2005, 12:05
Holy shiznet.

Those who believe in the adage "when it rains, it pours" might take the tale of the plaintiffs in Kelo v. New London as a cue to buy two of every animal and a load of wood from Home Depot. The U.S. Supreme Court recently found that the city's original seizure of private property was constitutional under the principal of eminent domain, and now New London is claiming that the affected homeowners were living on city land for the duration of the lawsuit and owe back rent. It's a new definition of chutzpah: Confiscate land and charge back rent for the years the owners fought confiscation.

In some cases, their debt could amount to hundreds of thousands of dollars. Moreover, the homeowners are being offered buyouts based on the market rate as it was in 2000.

I'm speechless.
85Tree
      Sustainer
      ID: 599393013
      Thu, Aug 18, 2005, 12:22
this is one of those moments where i believe in civilians taking up arms, and storming city hall.

our own government is waging war against not only civilians of nations we're at war with (such as Iraq), but civilians of nations we're NOT at war with (such as Canada), but also against citizens of its own country.
86Myboyjack
      ID: 27651610
      Thu, Oct 06, 2005, 11:42
Kelo in practice

On May 21, Albert G. Mauti Jr. and his cousin Joseph hosted a fundraiser for Assemblyman Joseph Cryan at the Westmount Country Club in Passaic County. The two developers and family members picked up the $10,400 dinner tab, donated another $8,000 and raised more than $70,000 that night for the powerful Union County Democrat, according to state election records.

Three days later, the governing body in Cryan's hometown of Union Township -- all Democrats -- introduced an ordinance paving the way for the Mautis to build 90 or so townhouses on six acres of abandoned industrial land along the Conrail line in town.

There is just one problem: Union Township doesn't own the land.
It is owned by Carol Segal, a 65-year-old retired electrical engineer. Over the past 10 years, the Union Township resident says, he has spent about $1.5 million to acquire the property, and he, too, wants to build townhouses there.

Segal said he met with Cryan, who is head of the township's Democratic Party, and other local officials "scores of times" over the past five years to discuss the project. He claims the talks turned adversarial after he rejected proposals to work with various developers they proposed.

On May 24, the five-member township committee voted unanimously to authorize the municipality to seize Segal's land through eminent domain and name its own developer.

"They want to steal my land," Segal said. "What right do they have when I intend to do the exact same thing they want to do with my property?"


87biliruben
      Leader
      ID: 589301110
      Thu, Oct 06, 2005, 13:12
Ughh.

Any chance the Supreme Court would eventually take another/different/better look with a more clear-cut case like this?
88Toral
      ID: 10858715
      Thu, Oct 06, 2005, 13:16
Didn't the Kelo majority say that the use of eminent domain for the financial benefit of the people making the decision or people associated to them would be a different (i.e., unacceptable) situation? If so, maybe this is the case.
89Perm Dude
      Dude
      ID: 030792616
      Thu, Oct 06, 2005, 13:18
Great example, MBJ. This kind of stuff cuts across party lines, which is why people of both parties should be pissed that local officials are now handed the power to take private land for virtually any reason simply by a majority vote.
90Madman
      ID: 43410119
      Thu, Oct 06, 2005, 13:24
Kennedy seemed to express some waffling middle ground. If the decision seems abused, he may vote to take another look.

Alternatively, Toral's argument could lead to one of those infamous nibbling "rowbacks" where the previous ruling is "clarified" in a limiting way ... i.e., slightly undermined. Dunno.

Regardless, we've lost 2 known anti-Kelo votes to retirement and death. Roberts is a wild-card, and I'm concerned about Miers (as discussed in the other thread). So even if Kennedy would switch over, that may not be enough.
91Toral
      ID: 10858715
      Thu, Oct 06, 2005, 13:30
Or Chief Justice Roberts may use a fact situation like this to "distinguish" Kelo out of existence.
92Myboyjack
      ID: 27651610
      Thu, Oct 06, 2005, 13:34
Or Chief Justice Roberts may use a fact situation like this to "distinguish" Kelo out of existence

I don't think that can be done effectively. Kelo was such an awful, sweeping decision that I believe it has to overturned, sqaurely, like a Plessy or else, left alone.
93Mattinglyinthehall
      Leader
      ID: 01629107
      Mon, Mar 12, 2007, 14:11
Perhaps the Chinese might have more rights to fight with on behalf of their homes than we do here.

I guess at some point you have to realize you're probably better off just giving in...

Still, you have to admire the pride.
94Mattinglyinthehall
      Leader
      ID: 01629107
      Tue, Apr 03, 2007, 15:58
Follow up:

The family of Wu Ping gave up defending their Chongqing house after reportedly reaching a deal with the authorities.
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