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Subject: Thread to discuss Ukula's Poll
Posted by: nerveclinic proxy
- [07162412] Fri, Aug 24, 2007, 13:16
Since he doesn't want anyone cluttering the poll itself which is understandable.
Ukula, nice poll, but suggestion for the future...don't just title a thread like that "poll" that's pretty vague and a little more meat always adds interest.
Observations...I am actually shocked Zen thinks that Oswald was a lone gunman. I always thought Zen was a little more cynical then that and smarter ...8-} (just a joke Zen)
I see MBJ's point, there could have been a conspiracy and Oswald could have still been the gunman but I don't buy that based on the evidence.
Perhaps most revealing about this poll to me is how many people on this board, many who ridicule conspiracy theory, believe that Kennedy's assassination was or might of been a conspiracy.
Huh?
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| 1 | Great One
Sustainer
ID: 053272014
Fri, Aug 24, 2007, 13:22
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Its the magic bullet that sold me. Too many holes to come from one gun. Thats my simple version of why I think so. Certainly we can go a lot deeper than that with the who and why of the situation... but thats the basis.
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| 2 | Perm Dude
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Fri, Aug 24, 2007, 13:27
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nerve, even if Oswald was the lone gunman this doesn't mean there wasn't a conspiracy. And even if there wasn't a conspiracy, there was clearly enough motive by many parties to keep alive CT's for many more decades.
The poll was, indeed, poorly worded.
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| 3 | ukula
ID: 309521021
Fri, Aug 24, 2007, 13:27
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Nerve - I made note of your suggestions for the future, thanks.
My feeling is that it had to be someone other than Oswald simply because his head jerks back and to the left, brains spraying over the back of the car. If the shot came from behind, I'm thinking it would have thrown his head forward and the brains would have sprayed all over the driver.
I'm actually shocked that over half the people still believe that Oswald was the lone gunman. Just looking at the Zapruder film pretty much negates that theory yet so many people still buy into it. Puzzling.
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| 4 | ukula
ID: 309521021
Fri, Aug 24, 2007, 13:32
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pd - maybe you should actually read the poll before saying it was poorly worded. It was very simple or straightforward - either you thought Oswald was the lone gunman, you thought there had to be two or more gunmen, or you weren't sure. Nowhere did I attach the word "conspiracy" to any of those answers. Nowhere did I say who I thought Oswald was working for, who the other gunmen were, etc.. Please try to read the poll next time before commenting.
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| 5 | Perm Dude
ID: 1717249
Fri, Aug 24, 2007, 13:35
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Perhaps you should read my note before getting your panties in a bunch, uke. I didn't say you used the word "conspiracy." I was responding to nerve's use of the word, idiot.
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| 6 | ukula
ID: 309521021
Fri, Aug 24, 2007, 13:39
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"Idiot" - Unprovoked Personal Attack on ukula
I did read your note. You said that the poll was poorly worded. Please explain how it was poorly worded, or if that is not what you meant then your posting was poorly worded. Have a nice day!
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| 7 | nerveclinic proxy
ID: 397592412
Fri, Aug 24, 2007, 13:59
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nerve, even if Oswald was the lone gunman this doesn't mean there wasn't a conspiracy.
Which really has nothing to do with my point which is... there are a lot of people here who ridicule conspiracy theory who correctly think Kennedy's assignation was a conspiracy.
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| 8 | Perm Dude
ID: 1717249
Fri, Aug 24, 2007, 14:02
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Well, sure. But most people are ridiculing particular theories, as well as the gullibility of some CTs to believe virtually anything.
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| 9 | Seattle Zen
ID: 49112418
Fri, Aug 24, 2007, 14:24
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I may have been a part of the multiple gunman conspiracy, nerve, and therefore have a vested interest in keeping the lone gunman theory as the official paradigm :)
Honestly, I don't really care about the JFK assassination. I think Oswalt was an amazing shot and overcame staggering odds to successfully hit Kennedy. To me, the odds that a second person successfully hit Kennedy in the head simultaneously and escaped unnoticed is too far fetched.
I laugh at the argument that people "fear" the notion the the government may have lied and actually caused certain bad things to have happened. Governments have lied to their people since time immemorial and as recently as the Gulf of Tonkin Incident, or anything Donald Rumsfeld ever uttered. For instance, I don't think it is out of the question that FDR knew of the Pearl Harbor attack far enough in advance to have limited its damage, rather he allowed it to occur in order to get America into a war.
The "conspiracies" that I believe have far more evidence or far more plausible than the ones you polled on:
1. In the 80's, the CIA not only turned a blind eye to cocaine trafficking from Central and South America into the US, I think they helped in many, many ways. I don't think it was a part of a plan to decimate the Black populations of American cities, but the fact that it was extremely harmful to Blacks and not upper middle class Whites was acceptable to the Reagan run administration and the Democratic run legislature. The CIA and their handlers believed they were fighting Communism, which outweighed the morally reprehensibility of their drug trafficking, in their little minds.
2. Regarding 9/11, I still believe that the US military shot down Flight 93. They made up the whole, "heroes storm the cockpit" story because no one wants to think their family member was killed when a US military jet shot their plane down.
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| 10 | nerveclinic
ID: 105222
Fri, Aug 24, 2007, 14:36
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To me, the odds that a second person successfully hit Kennedy in the head simultaneously and escaped unnoticed is too far fetched.
Um personally I don't know anyone who believes that it was a conspiracy who thinks Oswald did hit Kennedy.
I guess they are out there but I've never encountered them. Therefore your hit Kennedy in the head simultaneously and escaped unnoticed is too far fetched. isn't a necessary outcome.
By the way who is "Oswalt"?
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| 11 | Seattle Zen
ID: 49112418
Fri, Aug 24, 2007, 15:05
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Roy, of course. That guy has wicked control of baseballs and rifles.
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| 12 | Boxman
ID: 211139621
Fri, Aug 24, 2007, 15:52
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Perhaps most revealing about this poll to me is how many people on this board, many who ridicule conspiracy theory, believe that Kennedy's assassination was or might of been a conspiracy.
To me, it is not only probable, but likely, that Oswald did not act alone. The JFK topic fascinated me as a child and then later as a teenager even though his death was long long before my time. I always wondered how could a country kill a leader who was allegedly loved by so many.
There is a reason why Jack Ruby killed Oswald, I don't know that reason, but I have my guesses. I also do not subscribe to the Magic Bullet Theory.
JFK was murdered and it wasn't just by Oswald or Roy Oswalt. Oswalt is probably capable of making a bullet dance like the magic bullet. ;)
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| 13 | King Kill 33
ID: 59750253
Sat, Aug 25, 2007, 04:51
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Boxman "There is a reason why Jack Ruby killed Oswald, I don't know that reason, but I have my guesses."
This is good fun, its a long but an interesting read to get into deeper possibilities...
Quick note, some letters were altered because something wasn't allowing this to publish. I feel confident though there are no inappropriate words here.
It's been heavily edited to get it down to a manageable read. A quick search on the internet will provide the whole document as well as background information on the author.
At first glance you might instantly write it off as the ravings of a lunatic, and to a great degree the author is obsessed with minutia of symbolism. Do a little background work into some of the claims the author makes and the concepts become more intriguing to those with an open mind.
KING-KILL/33°
Masonic Symbolism in the Assassination of John F. Kennedy
By James Shelby Downard with Michael A. Hoffman II
Masonic betrayal of the "common man" involves archetypes of fertility and death symbolism seemingly motivated to bring about syncretism in opposing principles in order to green Israel, rebuild the Temple of Solomon and establish a One World government.
It is by way of Masonic sorcery that the union of opposing principles is supposed to be brought about.
The criminals who stage-managed Dallas in the killing of Kennedy have controlled the American people's will in exchange for a sleep without nightmares. I publish this in the wake of the situation Charles Seymour alluded to: "The moralist unquestionably secures wide support; but he also wearies his audience." Most Americans are beyond being tired; the revelations have benumbed them.
Most Freemasons apparently have no idea of the evil that is part of Masonry, and if they do know about it they don't believe it. The same holds true for most members of the "Clandestine Lodges" and Masonic-oriented fraternal organizations as well as Androgynous Masonic Societies.
It is certain that onomatology, or the science of names, forms a very interesting part of the investigations of the higher Masonry.... --(Encyclopedia of Freemasonry)
When the ancients saw a scapegoat, they could at least recognize him for what he was: a pharmakos, a human sacrifice. When modern man sees one, he does not, or refuses to, recognize him for what he IS; instead he looks for "scientific" explanations-to explain away the obvious.--Thomas Szasz, (Ceremonial Chemistry)
The "science of names" word wizardry forms only one segment of the science of symbolism used by Masons. The JFK assassination encounters this science in a decisive way and contains a veritable nightmare of symbol-complexes having to do with violence, perversi0n, conspiracy, death and degradati0n. These elements are important not only as cause-and-effect in the murder of a president but in the ensuing reaction of the people of America and the world.
The fertility and death symbolism in the "Killing of the King" rite which is part of Greening Ritualism that has to do with JFK, has been suppressed because examination of it must necessarily link it to "Freemasonry" and its mysticism, as well as to the political influence it exerts. Obviously this would do some damage to public confidence in:
a. Masonic progressivism. i.e. Iiberty, equality, fraternity.
b. Those who have shielded the conspirators.
c. The entire mental concept that passes for knowledge about the genuine nature of the government of the United States.
Mystical Toponomy
Mystical toponomy incorporates word wizardry (onomatology) and the Masonic science of symbolism. In considering my data it would be helpful to consider a dictum of Einsteinian physics: "Time relations among events are assumed to be first constituted by the specific physical relations obtaining between them."
The Killing of the King
Never allow anyone the luxury of assuming that because the dead and deadening scenery of the American city-of-dreadful-night is so utterly devoid of mystery, so thoroughly flat-footed, sterile and infantile, so burdened with the illusory gloss of "baseball-hot dogs-apple-pie-and-Chevrolet" that it is somehow outside the p$ycho-$exual domain.
The eternal pagan psychodrama is escalated under these "modern" conditions precisely because $orcery is not what 20th century man can accept as real. Thus the "Killing of the King" rite of November, 1963 is alternately diagnosed as a conflict Needless to say, each of these groups has a place in the symbolism having to do with the Kennedy assassination.
But the ultimate purpose of that assassination was not political or economic but $orcerous: for the control of the dreaming mind and the marshalling of its forces is the omnipotent force in this entire scenario of lies, cruelty and degradation. Something died in the American people on November 22, 1963-call it idealism, innocence or the quest for moral excellence. It is the transformation of human beings which is the authentic reason and motive for the Kennedy murder and until so-called conspiracy theorists can accept this very real element they will be reduced to so many eccentrics amusing a tiny remnant of dilettantes and hobbyists.
President Kennedy and his wife left the Temple Houston and were met at midnight by tireless crowds present to cheer the virile "Sun God" and his dazzlingly er0tic wife, the "Queen of Love and Beauty," in Fort Worth. On the morning of November 22, they flew to Gate 28 at Love Field, Dallas, Texas. The number 28 is one of the correspondences of Solomon in kabbalistic numerology; the Solomonic name assigned to 28 is "Beale."
On the 28th degree of latitude in the state of Texas is the site of what was once the giant "Kennedy ranch." On the 28th degree is also Cape Canaveral from which the moon flight was launched-made possible not only by the President's various feats but by his death as well, for the placing of the Freemasons on the moon could occur only after the Killing of the King. The 28th degree of Templarism is the "King of the Sun" degree. The President and First Lady arrived in Air Force One, code-named "Angel."
The motorcade proceeded from Love Field to Dealey Plaza. Dealey Plaza is the site of the first Masonic temple in Dallas (now razed) and there is a marker attesting to this fact in the plaza.
Important "protective" strategy for Dealey Plaza was planned by the New Orleans CIA station whose headquarters were a Masonic temple building. Dallas, Texas is located ten miles north of the 33rd degree of latitude. The 33rd degree is the highest in Freemasonry and the founding lodge of the Scottish Rite in America was created in Charleston, South Carolina, exactly on the 33rd degree line.
Posters note Kennedy was killed on November (11th month) 22 day... 11+22=33 33 degrees is the highest order of Masonery.
Dealey Plaza is close to the Trinity River (Posters note Trinity and the number 3 is one of the most imortant concepts of Freemasonery Father+Mother+Child). At 12:22 p.m. the motorcade proceeded down Main Street toward the Triple Underpass, traveling first down ("Bloody") Elm St. The latter was the scene of numerous gun fights, stabbings and other violence, and it is the location of the Majestic Theatre, the pawn shop/minority district, and industrial district.
It was also the home of the Blue Front Tavern, a Masonic hangout in the grand tradition of "tavern-Masonry": Sam Adams and the Masons of the American Revolution did much of their conspiring at the Green Dragon Tavern in Boston. One of the many bars claiming the honor of being the first Masonic lodge is the Bunch of Grapes Tavern, also in Boston.
On the corner of Bloody Elm and Houston is the "Sexton Building." "Sexton" is heavily laden with graveyard connotations. It is closely associated to the beetles of the genus Necrophorus or Sexton Beetles, so-called because they bury the remains of tiny animals with their eggs.
Bloody Elm, Main, and Commerce form a trident pattern in alignment with the triple underpass as any Dallas map will show. Many analysts contend that at least three assassins were involved in the crossfire ambush of Kennedy.
It is a prime tenet of Masonry that its assassins come in threes. Masonic assassins are known in the code of the lodge as the "unworthy craftsmen." Because Masonry is obsessed with earth-as-gameboard (tessellation) and the ancillary alignments necessary to facilitate the "game," it is inordinately concerned with railroads and railroad personnel to the extent that outside of lawyers and circus performers, no other vocation has a higher percentage of Masons than railroad workers.
Minutes after John Fitzgerald Kennedy was murdered three "hoboes" ("unworthy craftsmen") were arrested at the railyard behind Dealey Plaza.
No records of their identities have ever been revealed nor the "identity" of the arresting officer. All that remains of those few minutes are a series of photographs which have reached legendary proportions among persons concerned with uncovering the real forces and persons behind the assassination.
Dealey Plaza breaks down symbolically in this manner: "Dea" means "goddess" in Latin and "Ley" can pertain to the law or rule in the Spanish, or lines of preternatural geographic significance in the pre-Christian nature religions of the English.
For many years Dealey Plaza was underwater at different seasons, having been flooded by the Trinity River until the introduction of a flood-control system. To this trident-Neptune site came the "Queen of Love and Beauty" and her spouse, the scapegoat in the Killing of the King rite, the "Ceannaideach" (Gaelic word for Kennedy meaning "ugly head" or "wounded head").
The systematic arrangement and pattern of symbolic things having to do with the killing of Kennedy indicates that he was a scapegoat in a sacrifice. The purpose of such macabre rituali$m is further recognizable in patterns of symbolism culminating in the final "making manifest all that is hidden."
Oswald
Oswald means "divine strength." The diminutive form of the word is "os" or "Oz": denoting strength. The role which "Divine Strength" played in the Dealey "Goddess Rule" Killing of the King ritual should be given careful consideration.
One should also note the significance of (Jack) Ruby's killing (destroying) of "Ozwald" in reference to the "Ruby Slippers" of The Wizard of Oz which one may deride as a fairy tale but which nevertheless symbolizes the immense power of "ruby light," otherwise known as the laser.
Like the disgraceful treatment of the autopsy of President Kennedy, Oswald's is similarly weird. Oswald was literally butchered in the "postmortem examination." Pieces were actually cut out of his body. The major incision in his torso resembled a huge "Y" which ran from the area of his gr0in to the solar plexus region. From there incisions were made to the right and left armpits. The so-called "two horns of the letter Y" supposedly symbolize the paths of virtue and vice: the right branch leading to the former and the left to the latter. The letter is sometimes referred to as the "Litera Pythagorae" (The Letter of Pythagoras): "Litera Pythagorae, discrimine secta bicorni, Humanae vitae speciem praeferre videtur" (The Letter of Pythagoras parted by its two branched division appears to exhibit the image of human life).
Arlington Necrology
The Kennedy and Oswald burials were both at "Arlington": JFK at the National Cemetery near Washington, D.C., and Oswald at Rosehill Cemetery near Arlington, Texas. "Arlington" is a word of significance in Masonic $orcery and mysticism and it has a hidden meaning which ties in with necrolatry.
At the Kennedy gravesite there is a stone circle and in its middle a fire that is called an "eternal flame." The fire in the middle of the circle represents a point in the circle, the same type of symbolism that is recognizable in Kennedy's bier and coffin being in the center of the rotunda in the Capitol. A point in a circle symbolized the sun in ancient sun worship. It was also a symbol of fecundity, with the point symbolizing a phallu$ and the circle a (Censored woman's reproductive area)
Funerary Rites
John F. (Honey Fitz) Fitzgerald, the grandfather of John F. Kennedy, was elected mayor of Boston thanks in part to his "Wake House" campaigns which were much imitated. These consisted of a daily surveillance of the newspapers for announcements of deaths after which a discreet "sympathizer" would be dispatched and a good deal of political mileage accumulated in the bargain.
For a time the Fitzgeralds lived near the former site of the Green Dragon Tavern, established around 1680 and demolished for the widening of a street in 1820. The Fitzgerald home was on Hanover Street and the Green Dragon Tavern was on Green Dragon Lane (now Union Street). The tavern boasted the "first lodge room of Freemasonry in America," the St. Andrew Lodge located within the tavern proper.
In the ancient mysteries the aspirant could not claim a participation in the highest secrets until he had been placed in the Pastos, bed or coffin. The placing of him in the coffin was called the symbolical death of the mysteries, and his deliverance was termed a rising from the dead; the "mind," says an ancient writer quoted by Stobaeus, is afflicted in death just as it is in the initiation in the mysteries. And word answers to word, as well as thing to thing; for burial is to die and death to be initiated. The coffin in Masonry is found on the tracing boards of the early part of the last century, and has always constituted a part of the symbolism of the Third Degree, where the reference is precisely to the same as that of the Pastos in the ancient mysteries. (Encyclopedia of Freemasonry)
Posters note: it is well documented that the Skull and Bones practice this symbolic death ritual, placing the initiate in a coffin
President Kennedy sat at the head of a coffin table at the White House. To his back, over a fireplace, hung a portrait of Abraham Lincoln, an assassinated president. On either side of the picture were urns that resembled the type called "cinerary urns" which are vessels in which the ashes of the dead are kept.
The body of President Kennedy was placed in a coffin which was positioned in the center of a circle under the Capitol dome. The catafalque was "a temporary structure of wood appropriately decorated with funeral symbols and representing a tomb or cenotaph. It forms a part of the decorations of a 'Sorrow Lodge.' " This Masonic Encyclopedia entry refers to the ceremonies of the Third Degree in Lodges of the French Rite.
Pictures taken of the Kennedy coffin and catafalque show these two props of the funerary rite as a point in a circle. Fecundity is the symbolic signification of the Point within a circle and is a derivation of ancient sun worship.
In the lore of mystery cults and fertility religions was invariably the legend of the death of the hero god and the disappearance of his body. In the subsequent search and supposed finding of the body we see the contrivance of an elaborate psychological ruse. The body was said to have been concealed by the killer or killers of the hero god. The concealment of the body was called "aphanism" and is a rite of the Masonic 3rd Degree. Anyone interested in comprehending the mechanics of group mind control would do well to study the 3rd and 9th degrees in particular, and all the grades of Masonry in general. The disappearance of the body, this aphanism, is to be found in the assassination of President Kennedy:
The President's brain was removed and his body buried without it ... Dr. Cyril Wecht, chief medical examiner of Allegheny County, Pennsylvania, past president of the American Academy of Forensic Scientists, and a professor of pathology and law, received permission from the Kennedy family in 1972 to view the autopsy materials (at the National Archives) ... When he routinely asked to see the brain, Wecht was told it was missing, along with the microscopic slides of the brain. Marion Johnson, curator of the Warren Commission's material at the Archives said, "The brain's not here. We don't know what happened to it." (Los Angeles Free Press, Special Report No. I, pg. 16)
John F. Kennedy had demonstrated affection for the performance of a lady who was a renowned ostrich-feather fan-manipulator (Norma Jean Baker a.k.a. Marilyn Monroe). In Egypt, lamenting girls with ostrich feather-fans sang a song of entreaty of the type that Nephthys and Isis reputedly sang as a dirge, before the partial resurrection and of Osiris. The sad dirge or lamentation has become known as a "Maneros" consisting primarily of the singers entreating the dead to return, by singing "come to my house" and then offering inducements of some type or other.
It is a pity that the ritualists didn't have Marilyn Monroe and Rosemary Clooney sing a Maneros at the JFK funeral, for Rosemary Clooney just couldn't believe that JFK was dead at the time, and Marilyn Monroe was killed because of JFK. In Ancient Egypt the entreaty to the dead of the type said to be performed by Isis and Nepthys was usually performed with a hawk-fertility-goddess statue present along with other funerary symbolism.
Before JFK began his Jornada del Muerto (Journey of Death), he was photographed with Yugoslavian dictator Tito on the winding stairs in the White House. Tito is a significant name in Masonry since it was the title given to Prince Harodim, the first Judge and Provost said to be appointed by King Solomon. The Tito was a reputed favorite of Solomon, whose temple was a hotbed of thievery, money-changing, male and female pro$titution and $orcery. This ancient Tito presided over the Lodge of Intendants of this temple and was one of the "twelve knights of the twelve tribes of Israel."
Let me repeat, JFK was on some winding stairs with a man named Tito. Winding stairs are symbolically important in Masonry.
The degree of the winding stair is taught in the degree of Fellow Craft. This is the Second Degree, and a person at this grade is of course a candidate for the symbolic assassination, euresis, autopsy and coffin resurrection of the Third Degree.
The number of steps in the winding stair are "odd" although no less so than the fact that this Tito or Harodim is a name translating as "those who rule over" the activities of the temple Solomon.
The winding stairs of this temple, according to the Masons, begins at the porch and winds to a level purified by the Divine Presence (Shekinah) and dominated by the Divine Strength (Oswald).
President Kennedy preceded Tito down the stairs to a portrait of the assassinated President Garfield where he was photographed, and another picture was taken on the stairs before a picture of Lincoln (recall the black walnut rocker of JFK, comparable to the black walnut rocker Lincoln was assassinated in; the "Lincoln Continental" limousine in which Kennedy was shot and the dozens of other parallels between the two men).
John F. Kennedy, the one and only Catholic president of the United States, was a human scapegoat, a "pharmakos." "Pharmakos" or "Pharmak-vos" can mean "enchantment with drugs and sorcery" or "beaten, crippled or immolated." In alchemy, the Killing of the King was symbolized by a crucified snake on a tau cross, a variant of the crucifixion of Jesus.
Jesus Christ was tortured and murdered as the result of the intrigue of the men of the Temple of Solomon who hated and feared Him. They were steeped in Egyptian, Babylonian and Phoenician mysticism.
Masonry does not believe in murdering a man in just any old way and in the JFK assassination it went to incredible lengths and took great risks in order to make this heinous act of theirs correspond to the ancient fertility oblation of the Killing of the King.
I have stated that the three hoboes arrested at the time of the assassination in Dallas are at least as important symbolically as operationally and that they comprise the "Three Unworthy Craftsmen" of Masonry. This symbolism is at once a telling psychological blow against the victim and his comrades, a sign of frustrated inquiry-- the supposedly senseless nature of any quest into the authentic nature of the murderers--and a mirror or doppelganger of the three assassins who execute the actual murder.
As for the three assassins themselves:
Perry Raymond Russo told a New Orleans grand jury that [CIA agent David] Ferrie said [regarding the assassination of JFK] that "there would have to be a minimum of three people involved. Two of the persons would shoot diversionary shots and the third ... shot the good shot." Ferrie said that one of the three would have to be the "scapegoat." He also said that Ferrie discoursed on the availability of exit, saying that the sacrificed man would give the other two time to escape. (Quoted by W.H. Bowart in Operation Mind Control).
The Warren Commission
Gentlemen, don't pass me by!
Don't miss your opportunity!
Inspect my wares with careful eye; I have a great variety. And yet there is nothing on my stall.
(Witch in Goethe's Faust I, Walpurgis Night)
These are the thoughts of a huckster-witch which one need not search for dressed all in black with conical cap; instead, look among the gray flannel suits in the board rooms and offices of the newspapers, electronic media, government and advertising agencies-that is, those who are not busy working for the CIA or Naval Intelligence selling the public lies.
Mason Lyndon Johnson appointed Mason Earl Warren to investigate the death of Catholic Kennedy. Mason and member of the 33rd degree, Gerald R. Ford, was instrumental in suppressing what little evidence of a conspiratorial nature reached the commission. Responsible for supplying information to the commission was Mason and member of the 33rd degree, J. Edgar Hoover. Former CIA director and Mason Allen Dulles (Also member of the Skull and Bones) was responsible for most of his agency's data supplied to the panel.
Is it paranoid to be suspicious of the findings of the panel on these grounds? Would it be paranoid to suspect a panel of Nazis appointed to investigate the death of a Jew or to suspect a commission of Klansmen appointed to investigate the death of a negro?
Representative Hale Boggs, the only Catholic on the commission, at first agreed with its findings and when he later began to seriously question them he was "accidentally" killed in a plane crash.
HOODWINK. (Definition.) A symbol of the secrecy, silence and darkness in which the mysteries of our art should be preserved from the unhallowed gaze of the profane."-Dr. Albert Mackey, Mason, member of the 33rd degree, foremost Masonic historian of the nineteenth century, writing in the Encyclopedia of Freemasonry.
That is how they see us, as "profane," as "cowans" (outsiders), unclean and too perverted to look upon their hallowed truths. Yes, murder, $exual atrocities, mind control, attacks against the people of the United States, all of these things are so elevated, so lofty and holy as to be beyond the view of mere humans.
Ruby
On December 20, 1947, Jacob Rubinstein changed his name to Jack L. Ruby by decree of the 68th Judicial Court of Dallas, Texas. The etymology of the term "Ruby": (French) rubis; (Spanish) rubi; (Latin) rubinus, carbuncle.
ln old law books it was once the practice to print some of the titles of the statutes in red and these were termed rubrics or a ruby and hence any fixed, formulated or authoritative injunction of duty was apt to be designated as being a rubric or ruby.
As a rubinus or carbuncle Ruby is associated with the "Brea$tplate of Judgment" used by the Chosen Mispet (High Priests) of Jewish sorcery, enabling them to receive "divine" answers regarding the welfare of Judaism; some interpretations claim that the "Brea$tplate of Judgment" manifested the immediate presence of Jehovah and was also worn by Masons in Royal Arch chapters.
This "brea$tplate [which] contained twelve stones" each symbolized one of the twelve tribes of Israel. The carbuncle or ruby was connected to the tribe of Judah (Nohpech).
The term "Jack Ruby" was once used by pawnbrokers to indicated a fake ruby.
In iconography a ruby or carbuncle symbolizes blood, suffering and death.
Truth or Consequences
33rd degree of parallel latitude, and near the same latitude John Fitzgerald Kennedy became an oblation and on the same latitude is the chief Temple on this planet in the minds of sorcerers, namely the Temple of Solomon at Jerusalem, which was once located there and is sworn to be rebuilt on this 33rd degree.
In a literal, alchemical sense, the Making Manifest of All That is Hidden is the accomplishment of the 3rd Law of the Alchemists and is, as yet, unfulfilled or at least not completed; the other two have been: the creation and destruction of primordial mater (the detonation of the first Atomic Bomb at the Trinity Site, (posters note: You can't make this stuff up) at White Sands, New Mexico, on the 33rd degree of parallel), the Killing of the King (at the Trinity Site, at Dealey Plaza, Dallas, near the 33rd degree of latitude).
Only the repetition of information presented in conjunction with knowledge of this mechanism of Making Manifest of All That is Hidden provides the sort of boldness and will which can demonstrate that we are aware of all the enemies, all the opponents, all the tricks and gadgetry, and yet we are still not dissuaded, that we work for the truth for the sake of the truth. Let the rest take upon themselves and their children the consequences of their actions.
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| 14 | Doug
ID: 113132214
Sat, Aug 25, 2007, 14:32
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> Perhaps most revealing about this poll to me is how many people on this board, many who ridicule conspiracy theory, believe that Kennedy's assassination was or might of been a conspiracy.
Huh?
I'm confused by your confusion.
First off, I wasn't aware that there had been anyone ridiculing the abstract notion of a "conspiracy theory" across the board. I'm not saying there hasn't been, just that I haven't noticed it per se.
What I have seen is people ridiculing SPECIFIC conspiracy theories. Each to be judged on its own merit. There is nothing at all inconsistent (that I can see) between someone (a) ridiculing conspiracy theories that one believes to be patently false, involving almost intentional misrepresentations in the face of alternate evidence that supports the more obvious or official story, well beyond a reasonable doubt... and (b) embracing those where it seems there is adequate evidence or questions to imply the official story is false, or at the very least incomplete.
Furthermore, somewhere in between (a) and (b) there is a gray area, which is where I'm at with JFK... I'm not convinced beyond a reasonable doubt that it was just Oswald, but I'm also not convinced beyond a reasonable doubt that it WASN'T just Oswald.
A rational person doesn't view the entire concept of "conspiracy theories" as binary... that ALL of them are false, or ALL of them are true. It's a spectrum, and I'm not in any way surprised someone would ridicule those theories that they perceive to be the most far-fetched or unreasonable, yet admit to the possibility and/or likelihood of those theories which seem most plausible to them.
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| 15 | Doug
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Sat, Aug 25, 2007, 14:49
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Oh, and I will confess there's been some ridiculing of conspiracy theorISTS... those who seem to consistently be attracted to deeper explanations of dark men in coats being "behind things" with what seems (to some of us) to be an irrational, emotional zeal.
This is different than ridiculing conspiracy theorY... to do so would be to suggest that no conspiracy is ever possible, which I don't think is what people are saying.
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| 16 | Baldwin
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Sun, Aug 26, 2007, 11:34
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So while conspiracy almost certainly exists we dare not allow ourselves to be convinced, no matter the evidence for fear of being labelled.
Personally I believe that not being persuaded by the best evidence and a dispassionate weighing thereof is crazy."The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding one's self in the ranks of the insane." - Marcus Aurelius Are you listening PD?
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| 17 | Perm Dude
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Sun, Aug 26, 2007, 11:51
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Strawman alert!
You sound like Bush-apologists from 2005, Baldwin, "afraid" to make political moves for what the Democrats would say.
Personally I believe that not being persuaded by the best evidence and a dispassionate weighing thereof is craz
Absolutely. Yet many CTs find the lack of evidence to weigh more than actual evidence. Or, give disproportional weight to some "eyewitness" accounts (such as William Rodriguez, in the other thread), for no reason than he's practically alone in what he's saying (giving rise to the self-referential conspiracy "evidence").
Finally, I would hardly call most of the work by CT's to be "dispassionate weighing." If that's your goal you've thrown yourself in with a lot of crazies.
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| 18 | ukula
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Sun, Aug 26, 2007, 23:15
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pd - what evidence do you have that Oswald killed Kennedy? You have none! You just believe that because that is what you were told. Even though you see something different with your own eyes, you refuse to believe anything else. At least admit that you're unsure who killed Kennedy. You're a sheep.
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