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Subject: OT - Terrorist Attack on US !!!??


  Posted by: WiddleAvi - [51751137] Tue, Sep 11, 08:07

Righty now on CNN two planes crashed into the twin towers. One in each. The second plane crashed in live !! Pretty crazy. They say it looks like it was intentional !!
 
1BillB
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      Tue, Sep 11, 08:08
Truly horrific.
God help us all...
 
2Promize
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      Tue, Sep 11, 08:19
Unreal,
Watching the news now and smoke is just bellowing out of the towers.
Man, this is making me ill.

I also heard that Iraq supposely shot down a spy plain today.
 
3Ender
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      Tue, Sep 11, 08:29
Hold on to your hats and hit your knees my friends. I hope this is the worst of it and there is nothing more today, and that this is does not snowball.
 
4KrazyKoalaBears
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      Tue, Sep 11, 08:33
I saw the second plane live and it was/is truly sickening. There is no way this is anything but intentional.

Even worse than what you see is the fact that police helicopters can't land ont he roofs. As they pointed out on the news broadcasts, the police helicopters landing on the roof were one of the ways that so many people escaped during the WTC Bombings years ago.

A very, very sad day.

 
5Myboyjack
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      Tue, Sep 11, 08:36
An attack of this magnitude could only have been pulled off witht he backing of a government.
 
6KrazyKoalaBears
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      Tue, Sep 11, 08:40
Iraq Says Spy Plane Downed; U.S. Craft Loses Contact

ABC News is now reporting that the Palestinean DFLP is claiming responsibility, though they caution that its obviously premature to take them at their word.

 
7puckprophet
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      Tue, Sep 11, 08:41
now the pentagon is smoking.....
 
8KrazyKoalaBears
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      Tue, Sep 11, 08:41
DFLP Information

Gold Executive building is on fire in DC!!!

 
9Myboyjack
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      ID: 4443038
      Tue, Sep 11, 08:42
A bomb has been detonated on the helipad of the Pentagon
 
10WiddleAvi
      ID: 51751137
      Tue, Sep 11, 08:43
Another explosion in the pentagon !!
 
11KrazyKoalaBears
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      Tue, Sep 11, 08:43
Sorry, it's behind the Old Executive Building in DC. Away from the White House, but close enough.
 
12KrazyKoalaBears
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      Tue, Sep 11, 08:44
WiddleAvi got it.
 
13KrazyKoalaBears
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      Tue, Sep 11, 08:45
"An aircraft crashed near the Pentagon" is the report from ABC News.
 
14Pistol Pete
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      Tue, Sep 11, 08:45
This is unbelievable. **prayer in progress**

Some heads are gonna roll. Don't mess with the U.S.
 
15Pistol Pete
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      Tue, Sep 11, 08:51
CBS announcing that the FAA has grounded all aircraft nationwide. Looks like our country is on full alert.
 
16KrazyKoalaBears
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      Tue, Sep 11, 08:52
Obvious evacuation of all landmark buildings nationwide also.
 
17KrazyKoalaBears
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      Tue, Sep 11, 08:54
ABC News reporting that a second body has fallen from the WTC Buildings. The rescue crews and helicopters cannot get to the victims.
 
18KrazyKoalaBears
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      Tue, Sep 11, 08:55
Flight out of BOS going to LOS is reported to be hijacked.
 
19KrazyKoalaBears
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      Tue, Sep 11, 08:58
The top of the WTC just fell over!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
20KrazyKoalaBears
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      Tue, Sep 11, 08:59
THE ENTIRE BUILDING COLLAPSED!!!!!!!!
 
21tduncan
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      Tue, Sep 11, 08:59
here is a few things I know as an israeli:

there was a palestinian terrorist organization who some of it's people claim responsibility, but the leaders say it's isn't true.

this organization is powered by suriya.
 
22puckprophet
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      Tue, Sep 11, 09:01
part of one tower collapsed ; what a mess..
 
23WiddleAvi
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      Tue, Sep 11, 09:01
The Tower just collaped !!!
 
24BillB
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      ID: 493403019
      Tue, Sep 11, 09:04
tduncan, whoever did it cannot pay enough for this act of terror and cowardice...

God help us all...
 
25Pistol Pete
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      Tue, Sep 11, 09:05
Here I am concerned about the HOW and WHY of this whole thing. What am I doing? Lives have been lost. This is the tragedy of all tragedies. I've started turning my head everytime they replay the second plane crashing into the WTC. We need to pull together as a nation and pray for all the families of the victims. May God bless America on this tragic day.
 
26tduncan
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      Tue, Sep 11, 09:07
some other news says maybe Ousam A-bid-Ladden organization is responsible.
 
27puckprophet
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      Tue, Sep 11, 09:09
not to make light of this ,but , this is a job for george bush sr.
 
28tduncan
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      Tue, Sep 11, 09:11
aonther explosen in the pentagon.
 
30Promize
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      Tue, Sep 11, 09:16
The whole building is now gone...
I'm just in total tears, I have family who works downtown manhattan...
All those people are dead... The building is completely gone from what I can see...

I hear talks it might be the columbian drug lords, cause that leader was just arrested and brought to America...

This is a tragic day, a sickening day... Definitely the blanket of safety we live under is under jeopardy... This was just way to easy...
 
31BillB
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      ID: 493403019
      Tue, Sep 11, 09:16
pp, I'll go one step further-this is a job for ALL Americans to rally around their President and support all efforts to hunt down and destroy the people responsible for this tragedy. Pray for him and the wisdom he needs in this time of horror, and all the families who lost loved ones today.
 
32KrazyKoalaBears
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      Tue, Sep 11, 09:18
dusty bottoms, the WTC Bombing was Feb 26, 1993
 
33dusty bottoms
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      Tue, Sep 11, 09:21
Your right koala, just heard from a coworker it was its anniversary of bombing, truly a sad day, they will definately pay whoever it is.
 
34puckprophet
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      Tue, Sep 11, 09:22
another possible hijacked plane in the eastern corridor
 
35Sludge
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      Tue, Sep 11, 09:23


What else can I say but that it's time to get that spirit back into our hearts. Save all of our prayers and sympathies for the dead and wounded. Reserve none for the guilty. Just tragic. Saddening beyond belief. I hope that every other American feels the same rage that I do.
 
36walk
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      ID: 592181610
      Tue, Sep 11, 09:23
Pretty much madness here in NYC right now. I am in midtown, and while my building has not (yet) been evacuated, downtown is a disaster area, and many landmark buildings in midtown nearby (empire state building, chrysler building) have been evacuated. All subways, tunnels, bridges and airports have been closed.

Many sad, worried people at work right now.

- walk
 
37Myboyjack
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      Tue, Sep 11, 09:25
Glad to hear you're OK, Walk
 
38Promize
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      Tue, Sep 11, 09:25
You know,
I'm not one for retalulation (sp)... I don't always think another person dieing cause another person has died is the right thing... But i'm sicken and angered at this.. The cowardness of these hate/terriost etc groups is unexectable, the people on that commercial flight were innocent... The people in that building were innocent...

Yes, I do believe as a nation we should rise up and support or nation...... no matter how right winged, left winged, liberial you are...

The last time the US rised together was the bombing of pearl habor... And I'll say it now, you have woken the Lion again... For the people responsible for this, I would fear the wraith of the US.
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I just can't imagine all those people who were trying to get out of the building, running for safety are now probably dead from that collapse... This is just sickening....
 
39WiddleAvi
      ID: 51751137
      Tue, Sep 11, 09:25
Reported that first plane had 90 people and second had 60 people aboard !! Plus a car bomb they just said exploded at the state department
 
40Makisupa
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      ID: 19133810
      Tue, Sep 11, 09:27
The other tower is down!!

OMG!!!!
 
41puckprophet
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      Tue, Sep 11, 09:27
second tower is down..
 
43dusty bottoms
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      Tue, Sep 11, 09:28
there is a rumor of a car bomb out side the white house.
 
45JW
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      ID: 83441917
      Tue, Sep 11, 09:29
This isn't an attack on the U.S.A.

It is an attack on civilization.
 
46WiddleAvi
      ID: 51751137
      Tue, Sep 11, 09:29
I'm in Pittsburgh right now and they just reported a 747 was hijacked and crashed !!
 
47BillB
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      ID: 493403019
      Tue, Sep 11, 09:29
walk, get outta there! don't wait!!

oh God, the other tower's fallen!!!
 
48WiddleAvi
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      Tue, Sep 11, 09:30
I just want to say...this is a confirmed report of a 747 crashing in Pittsburgh
 
49Perm Dude
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      Tue, Sep 11, 09:31
I was just about to give you a ring, Walk. I knew you were out of harms way, but Manhattan is a zoo right now.

Seeing the tower collapse was just sickening. 20000 people work in each of those towers, and I'm sure that people were in it and in the area of the crash.

pd
 
50Perm Dude
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      ID: 46818119
      Tue, Sep 11, 09:35
The highjacked plane was a Boston to LA flight, American Airlines 11.

pd
 
51KrazyKoalaBears
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      Tue, Sep 11, 09:36
AP Reports: Car bombing at State Dept.
 
52walk
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      ID: 592181610
      Tue, Sep 11, 09:36
We're actually staying put as the thinking is that the targets were the WTC, and if there are more, it would be something landmark-ish. If everyone in every tall building in this city flocked to the streets, there would be NO WHERE to go.

As it is, folks who commute from the surrounding burroughs, Connecticut, Westchester, Rockland, and NJ have no where to go. Manhattan is an island, and all bridges and tunnels are closed. The bars, restaurants and apartment buildings and and such are not big enough to house the millions that are in Manhattan right now.

We are left with either loitering the streets or staying put in our buildings.

Bookie is across the street from me and we were going to have lunch today, too!

It's truly a very frightening and sad day in this country, and in this city.

- walk
 
53patjams
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      Tue, Sep 11, 09:43
Another fear is that it is not yet 8:00 AM in the West.
 
54Myboyjack
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      Tue, Sep 11, 09:43
Reports of 1 or 2 planes still missing and presumed hijacked.
 
55jedman
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      Tue, Sep 11, 09:44
I'll just echo what has been said. We all need to get on our knees with our families and pray for our Nation's leaders. They need all the inspiration and help and energy they can get to get to the bottom of this and bring to justice those who have brought this upon us.

walk - so glad to hear you are ok. I was praying you didn't work down in that area.
 
56dusty bottoms
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      Tue, Sep 11, 09:45
Friend from work has a husband who works their he has yet to contact her, we are all in prayer at this time for those people.
 
57patjams
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      Tue, Sep 11, 09:46
It seems to me that war has been declared.
 
58Myboyjack
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      ID: 4443038
      Tue, Sep 11, 09:47
F-16 jets in the air to intercept suspicious aircraft heading toward Pemtagon
 
59philflyboy
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      Tue, Sep 11, 09:47
I have been trying to get to my computer all morning. Glad to hear from Walk!! I have been praying that he and his family were ok.

Sure hope we retaliate with more than just a hand slap and a "don't do that again", when we know who did it.
 
60KrazyKoalaBears
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      Tue, Sep 11, 09:49
ABC News: A large plane crashed in "Sommerset County" about 80 miles from PIT.
 
61C.C. SOLDIERS
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      Tue, Sep 11, 09:54
Is this gonna be reason enough to start a War? I mean if we can find out who's behind this, Bush has do something harsh. THis is ridiculus. Bush Sr. sure would not have put up with this. God Bless everyone who has lost their life and their families and loved ones.
 
62BillB
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      ID: 493403019
      Tue, Sep 11, 09:55
very small sports note here...Yankees and Cubs games postponed-MLB ought to cancel the whole slate for tonight if they have a notion of common sense.
 
63Promize
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      Tue, Sep 11, 09:57
Report of a plane still in the air heading towards Washington DC

Military planes flying all over DC at low altitudes also.

There is only about 3 terriost groups in the world big enough to pull this off... And one being that one guy that has like a billion dollars at his disposal.

I agree with Philflyboy, I'm tired of the handslap BS we have been doing with these terriost.... It's time to put a dent in the countries who support them, the governments who support them etc..

This is a pure attack on the U.S.A. And what's more sickening about it, it's an religious attack. We as a nation are viewed as the devil, these terriost die in the beliefs of their gods and the belief that USA is the devil.
 
64Sludge
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      Tue, Sep 11, 09:57
BillB -

NFL should be postponed as well. Rozelle always regretted letting the games go on after JFK was shot. I don't think they're going to make that mistake again.
 
65tduncan
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      Tue, Sep 11, 09:58
I can tell you from experience: something this big can't be a work of 1 organization, not even a powerfull organization like A-bin-Ladden leads.

this kind of terrorists acts, the training, the timing and the places, this is got to be a country doing the intelligence.
 
66KrazyKoalaBears
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      Tue, Sep 11, 10:00
All,
Please don't be quick to judge Bush or any member of our government yet. This catastrophe is only a couple of hours old and can barely even be comprehended at this point. We don't even know that it's over as there is still a plane missing. And after the planes, what about car bombs, etc.? This is not over.

Right now, our prayers and thoughts need to be with all the families who have so tragically lost their loved ones.

Our government is not one person and it will retaliate. This goes beyond the scale of anything we have seen in a long time. This is getting to be close to the level of Pearl Harbor. Right now, whether Democrat, Republican, Libertarian, or whatever, the most important thing to remember is that despite our differences in politics, we are all Americans and we all love our country. Because of that, we all need to support each other and our government in this truly sad moment in our history.

 
67Begora21
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      Tue, Sep 11, 10:02
Good point tduncan, they had to have their own pilots, no pilot woulkd fly into the WTC, even if they put a gun to his head or killed passengers, they would die anyway. And those planes cant be easy to fly. These terrorists knew what they were doing. Horrible...
 
68Myboyjack
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      Tue, Sep 11, 10:03
Echo that. There are governments at the root of this and they should be exterminated.
 
69BillB
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      ID: 493403019
      Tue, Sep 11, 10:03
FAA reports another hijacked plane crashing near Camp David in DC...wow...
 
70Myboyjack
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      Tue, Sep 11, 10:05
KKB, the loss of life will be beyond Pearl Harbor.
 
71Ender
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      Tue, Sep 11, 10:05
I beseech even those who are uncertain of a higher power to get on their knees and pray. Even the prayers of the uncertain our heard. We, humanity need all the help we can get right now. Tragedy is and has been happening around the world daily, but the global implications of this are frightening. It will get worse before it gets better.
 
72walk
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      Tue, Sep 11, 10:15
downtown looks horrible right now. NO world trade centers! Unreal. The loss of life will be large.

Many sleepovers tonight with co-workers who are stranded due to bridges and tunnels being closed.

Emails from senior management say "stay put," EVEN those employees in downtown buildings within a few hundred meters of the WTC. Interesting. Clear panic control.

- walk
 
73KTxGOD
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      Tue, Sep 11, 10:21
bomb threats in Stuyvesant HS =( ~ i have so many friends that go there... STOP PLEASE STOP!

~ No kids went to school tho....
 
74Sludge
      ID: 56202214
      Tue, Sep 11, 10:22
FoxNews reporting that plane crash at Camp David "Now Disavowed".
 
75Myboyjack
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      ID: 4443038
      Tue, Sep 11, 10:23
Kind of strange. I am in in a state office in Kentucky. We have just been ordered to stay off the phones and that the state is in a "Stage 2 Alert" whatever that means.
 
76KevinL
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      ID: 10417811
      Tue, Sep 11, 10:25
Cleveland Mayor (Mike White) just had a press conference. Some downtown buildings are being evacuated. Parking ban in effect.

There's a plane at Hopkins (CLE), I don't know the whole deal, but it's from Boston and I don't think it was scheduled to be here.

He also mentioned there may be need for people to donate blood.
 
77dusty bottoms
      ID: 18442117
      Tue, Sep 11, 10:27
I work in Massachusetts, Boston is under alert as well.
 
78Promize
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      Tue, Sep 11, 10:28
Ender,

I was just about to post a very similiar post and say... I know people don't like religion preached on the boards, as we all have different beliefs in this world of higher beings. But whoever you worship or believe, I do believe you should give praise to them for your own being, and morn those who have died today.

Pick up the phone and call your love ones and tell them your care and love them. No matter if they live on a farm or whatever, you just never know what could happen.

I currently have family in downtown Manhattan, and although they are alright for now... I fear for other attacks or bombs going off.
 
79KrazyKoalaBears
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      Tue, Sep 11, 10:30
Myboyjack, according to this article a "Stage 2 Alert" in KY is the equivalent of "indicating that power reserves are low." I think they're just making sure their security is up and running and that they are staying aware of their situation.
 
80Myboyjack
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      Tue, Sep 11, 10:31
Thanks KKB
 
81KrazyKoalaBears
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      Tue, Sep 11, 10:32
The PIT crash has been confirmed as United flight 93 (Boeing 767) Newark to San Francisco

United flight 175, BOS to LOS is still unaccounted for.

 
82Ender
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      Tue, Sep 11, 10:35
Sounds like that could be Kevin L's plane in Cleveland.
 
83KevinL
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      ID: 10417811
      Tue, Sep 11, 10:35
Word on the radio, 8 planes hijacked, 5 still airborne.
 
84White Tiger
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      Tue, Sep 11, 10:35
Hey guys, I started a thread in the Football Forum I didn't know u guys had already started such a big one here ... I'll just cut and paste what I wrote, thanks for listening :

Jeezus guys, I just woke up here in Canada about an hour ago and I'm watching this sad sad sad news.Jeezus NY looks like an atomic bomb dropped on it ... I've never seen anything like this. I'm only 23 and I've never seen a war but this is shocking. How can this not lead to more anger and hatred? I don't understand how a people's hearts can be so filled with hate and anger and then use religion as an excuse for all this violence and horror. Watching this breaks my heart, so many lives lost over what? Over ignorance and
intolerance, if any of u here are from NY and have lost anyone they care about my thoughts and prayers are with you. Let's hope that this is not just the begining of something far worst. All I keep hereing is retaliation
... this is truely a dark day for humanity, let's hope everyone that has lost their lives today can rest in peace. Sorry for taking board space to write about something that has nothing to do with football but I'm just in such a sad mood I needed to write a little something for those who have died for something so stupid.
Again, I hope everyone here has survived this incident o.k. and will be able to move on with there lives.Jeezus now they're saying car bombs are exploding all over the place ...when is this going to stop .... *sigh*

Daniel
White Tiger
 
85KrazyKoalaBears
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      Tue, Sep 11, 10:35
Myboyjack, no problem. That's actually for CA (didn't read too carefully the first time), but I can't imagine it would be too different.
 
86White Tiger
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      Tue, Sep 11, 10:38
Let's just hope that this isn't the begining of something even bigger ... What if they are just using the planes as a distraction while others bomb the white house or something else ... they keep saying this is not the end ... I truly can't believe this ...
 
87Myboyjack
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      Tue, Sep 11, 10:39
I think you're right based on an e-mail I just recieved from Frankfort. Main interest is to keep everyone off phones in case there is an emergency situtation here. We have one of three US army chemical weapons stickpiles here in my county and I think there is some mild concern for that.
 
88KrazyKoalaBears
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      Tue, Sep 11, 10:39
Military Levels of Alert (from lowest to highest): Alpha, Bravo, Charlie, Delta

All military around DC is on Delta Alert. All military nationwide is on Charlie Alert.

 
89Guru
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      Tue, Sep 11, 10:40
It just occurred to me that today is 9/11, which could also be represented as 911.

Could that be the reason for choosing this date?

If not, it sure is an eerie coincidence.
 
90patjams
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      Tue, Sep 11, 10:41
This is the beginning of war. Worst tragedy outside of war since the beginning of modern times. Once the organization/government responsible for this heinous act have been confirmed it is time to strike swiftly and strike hard. No mercy.
 
91WiddleAvi
      ID: 9830119
      Tue, Sep 11, 10:42
Pittsburgh is reportsing right now that a flight from Pittsburgh heading to washington has been hijacked
 
92KrazyKoalaBears
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      Tue, Sep 11, 10:42
At least 2 buildings in the WTC area are on fire.

All airports nationwide have been closed now; not just planes grounded.

I fear, like White Tiger, that the focus is on aviation right now and that it will divert attention from whatever is next. I pray that I am wrong.

 
93WiddleAvi
      ID: 9830119
      Tue, Sep 11, 10:43
Anbother report that the army here has been put at alert...one lever below war.
 
94Ender
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      Tue, Sep 11, 10:45
I agree, patjams. This is going to get far worse before it's over.
 
95darkside
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      Tue, Sep 11, 10:46
DC is a mess. People are flipping out (understandably so). Many are stuck in the city. Just about everything has been closed (including many major roadways) and people have no way to get home. Not a good day at all.
 
96KrazyKoalaBears
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      Tue, Sep 11, 10:47
Guru, it is eerie even if it is nothing but coincidence.

Nothing else major has really happened on this date in history. (Until today, of course)

 
97Myboyjack
      Leader
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      Tue, Sep 11, 10:47
Sounding like it's time for the Taliban to go. Us has warned them about shielding Bin Laden. He's the only one around with the wherewithall to pull something off of this magnitude.
 
98BillB
      Sustainer
      ID: 493403019
      Tue, Sep 11, 10:48
Guru, media reports say that September 11 (9/11) was the anniversary of the Camp David Accord signing in 1978 w/US, Israel and Egypt. That has been regarded as a dark day in Palestinian/terrorist circles.
 
99allhair allstars
      Sustainer
      ID: 5734610
      Tue, Sep 11, 10:49
After struggling with my network connection I find up to the minute info here. Should have known.

I didn't know there were still 8 planes unaccounted for. That's a little eerie. I'm in downtown Chicago and most of the bigger buildings have already been evaced.

They just evaced the County Jail I'm told, which is about 4 blocks away.

 
100WiddleAvi
      ID: 9830119
      Tue, Sep 11, 10:50
The plane that crashed in Pittsburgh had 421 people aboard.
 
101CanEHdian Pride
      ID: 426351415
      Tue, Sep 11, 10:52
This is crazy!

As for no American pilot flying into the WTC...it sounds like Kamikazee tactics. This idiots who use religion to fuel their horrid acts would look at it as martyric (not sure if that's a word) work!
 
102WiddleAvi
      ID: 9830119
      Tue, Sep 11, 10:52
Pittsburgh has announced that all non-essential worked should go home
 
103Toral
      Sustainer
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      Tue, Sep 11, 10:53
A network reporter (sorry, missed who) reported that this (September 11) was the anniversary of the signing of the Camp David accords, and attributed significance to this; but in fact the Accord was signed on September 17, 1978. The meetings went on between Sept 5 and 17.

Toral
 
104C.C. SOLDIERS
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      Tue, Sep 11, 10:56
This is creepy for me. This is the type of stuff I read about in text books growing up. This is the kind of stuff that you heard about and you always wondered what is was like to live during those times. I see now that it is very serious and it will affect the entire world. I just hope it does not get any worse.
 
105dusty bottoms
      ID: 18442117
      Tue, Sep 11, 10:59
Agreed CC, I have no idea what it was like but it is affecting the whole world, I still have no idea why people are still at work, nothing is more on my mind than those who suffered.
 
106Rogue's Strikers
      ID: 33732119
      Tue, Sep 11, 11:02
Talk about waking up the sleeping Lion. Do they really think they can get away with this?

More sickening then the damage has to be the sheer idiocy of those responsible who actually think these heinious acts are furthering their cause. Humanity took a step back today.

All those US planes are heading to Canadian airports, and I happen to live about 2 KM from the main one in Montreal... so much for my day to sleep in. :( I can't tell you how afraid I am that this is the day many will remember as the first day of World War 3...
 
107KrazyKoalaBears
      ID: 266182910
      Tue, Sep 11, 11:02
US/Mexico border has been closed.
 
108Matt S
      Donor
      ID: 57543213
      Tue, Sep 11, 11:02
Kind of in the same boat as White Tiger here. I too have never seen any of this in my lifetime, and had always wondered what it would be like. I don't like it.

Being Canadian, I feel much more secure than most of you, however, I feel that this may lead to a larger scale war. My prayers are with all the families who are feeling that uncertain horror at the moment.

Matt S
 
109CanEHdian Pride
      ID: 426351415
      Tue, Sep 11, 11:04
Another reported crash in Cleveland!

No details yet!
 
110Matt S
      Donor
      ID: 57543213
      Tue, Sep 11, 11:05
No! No more!
 
111KrazyKoalaBears
      ID: 266182910
      Tue, Sep 11, 11:05
Rogue's Strikers, "Do they really think they can get away with this?"

They alredy did get away with it. :(

They have accomplished what they wanted, which was to make a significant attack on "important" US locations and to cause as much hurt and harm as possible. They have instilled fear in all of us and have shown us exactly how vulnerable we are. Though we may strike back with more might, they have already accomplished what they set out to do. Anything from the US after this is a response to their accomplishment.

 
112BillB
      Sustainer
      ID: 493403019
      Tue, Sep 11, 11:06
thanks for clarifying, Toral :)
 
113louky
      ID: 527283021
      Tue, Sep 11, 11:07
ABC reports 2 more flights have crashed, no locations reported... report is out of Seattle
 
114BillB
      Sustainer
      ID: 493403019
      Tue, Sep 11, 11:08
whats even more scary is some of the latest sites of tragedy...Pittsburgh, Cleveland...no place feels safe enough...
 
115Wahoo
      ID: 257511014
      Tue, Sep 11, 11:08
CP - Haven't heard anything here about a plane crash here, I'm near downtown Cleveland. My wife closer to Hopkins hasn't heard anything either.
 
116biliruben
      Sustainer
      ID: 231045110
      Tue, Sep 11, 11:09
I was at the Trade Center for the first bombing.

I guess they learned from that...

We can't fight this like a conventional war. A war on terrorism can only be fought by making the world a more peaceful place. We will never be safe until we take away the reason for the hatred. Diffuse the rage.

It is a time for mourning, not a time for blind, unthinking retaliation.
 
117smiles
      ID: 6811111
      Tue, Sep 11, 11:09
ugh.. Terrorist are weak, weak, weak damned souls... hope bush bends them over..
 
118sosa
      ID: 581872
      Tue, Sep 11, 11:10
All MLB games postponed
 
119Mattinglyinthehall
      ID: 1832399
      Tue, Sep 11, 11:11
I'm in midtown, at about 40th st several miles north of WTC. I can see the smoke from here.


The World Trade Center is gone.
 
120CanEHdian Pride
      ID: 426351415
      Tue, Sep 11, 11:12
The reporter made a passing comment about the crash in Cleveland...haven't heard anything since!
 
121sarge33rd
      ID: 25818711
      Tue, Sep 11, 11:16
I agree biliruben, that we need to mourn or lost, the multiple 10's of thousands of parents who were brutally murdered this morning. However, retaliation...vicious, violent and swift is clearly called for. The terrorist factions of the world screamed bloody murder back during the Gulf War when one of the American destroyers shot down a civilian airliner which was A) of course, B) flying toward the fleet and C) not responding to hails. They called us murderers for the deaths of those civilians. Why then is it seemingly justified in their minds, to kill American civilians in DELIBERATE attacks? No...what is called for is not simple mourning...but retribution. The terrorists themselves, must see definitive proof...that even if they care not for their own lives...ie they're perfectly willing to commit suicide in an attack upon American civilians....what of the lives of their families? We need to unleash our military machine...give it free reign...and wreak death, destruction and unprecedented havoc upon any and all sites/locales/peoples which we have reasonable evidence to support our position that those tragets support terrorism.
 
122KrazyKoalaBears
      ID: 266182910
      Tue, Sep 11, 11:16
US/Canada border under "High state of alert". I think that means it's closed, or very close to it.
 
123Wahoo
      ID: 257511014
      Tue, Sep 11, 11:17
We did have a plane in Cleve. that was supposedly hijacked, it was since evacuated and dogs were out on the tarmac.

Now the basids have postponed baseball!
Sorry, my way of dealing with tragedy is humor.
 
1246-9 With The Afro
      ID: 97969
      Tue, Sep 11, 11:18
Good to hear from our New York Gurupie contingent! :)

My thoughts and prayers with everyone!
 
125Mattinglyinthehall
      ID: 1832399
      Tue, Sep 11, 11:19
APTN reports that THE DEMOCRATIC FRONT FOR THE LIBERATION OF PALESTINE (DFLP), A RADICAL PLO FACTION IN THE WEST BANK has denied any connection to the attacks.
 
126Toral
      Sustainer
      ID: 447461620
      Tue, Sep 11, 11:21
The U.S.-Canada border is not yet closed; Buffalo news just showed the Peace Bridge entrance to Canada live and was interviewing drivers. However they report that closing of the border is said to be imminent.


Toral
 
127patjams
      ID: 27812119
      Tue, Sep 11, 11:21
Just saw footage of people celebrating in the streets of Jerusalem. The Wrath shall soon be upon them.
 
128sarge33rd
      ID: 25818711
      Tue, Sep 11, 11:22
my position is a simple one...either hand over Bin Laden...or it will be assumed you are involved. Get Bin Laden's own 'kind' on his ar$e...and he'll have nowhere left to hide. As far as I know, his would be the only faction with the logistic capability of executing this kind of coordinated, widespread assault.
 
129KrazyKoalaBears
      ID: 266182910
      Tue, Sep 11, 11:22
CNN: Another building in NYC, near the Wall Street district is on the verge of collapse after being hit with debris from the WTC. A gas leak is also reported in the midst of the smoke in NYC; obviously an explosion hazard.
 
130sarge33rd
      ID: 25818711
      Tue, Sep 11, 11:23
celebrate the murder of 20+ thousand parents??????

unleash the dogs of war!
 
131patjams
      ID: 27812119
      Tue, Sep 11, 11:26
Sarge, I'd say the attack on the US spy plane this morning in Iraq may implicate Saddam too. It would be difficult for even Bin Ladin to pull this off alone. Very tough to train terrorists to fly jet aircraft unless you have a country in which to do it. As far as anybody claiming responsibilty, I think you can rule that out entirely. That would be suicide at it's grandest scale.
 
132Lou
      Donor
      ID: 270392611
      Tue, Sep 11, 11:33
I'm alive. For now.
 
133WiddleAvi
      ID: 9830119
      Tue, Sep 11, 11:33
Posting a link..... Palestians celebrating attack. These people are inhumane
 
134sarge33rd
      ID: 25818711
      Tue, Sep 11, 11:33
reasonable assertion patjams. We were there a decade ago...we can back and finish the task this time.
 
135White Tiger
      ID: 11334218
      Tue, Sep 11, 11:39
The right thing to do would be to witnes this horror and do everything in our powers to never let it happen again, work towards peace ... but I truly believe that will not happen. The magnitude of this horror will not be met with peace and love (I doubt even Ghandi would be able to hold his composure) but instead with anger and vengeance ... Even though I believe in peace and kindess I find it hard for me not to want revenge, I'm starting to think that Noah's ark truly did happen and it will happen again ... it's impossible to take the hatred out of these people's hearts ...the anger the torment, no matter what we do or say. How will they ever stop hating us when they think we're "sinning white devils". There is no way to change these people in our lifetime. Unless we wipe them all out ...and the only way to do that is with war ...the only other option would be for God to wipe out the evil again ... I am not a religious man but I would give up my life in a 2nd to get rid of all this horrible horrible violence and internal hatred that so many of these people have .... I truly hope this is not the begining of world war 3 ... no human should ever have to go through such horror ... people jumping from the top of trade center to their death ... man ... Is it over yet? What are they saying down in the U.S.? Does it look like they think it's over yet?
 
136tduncan
      ID: 47616279
      Tue, Sep 11, 11:40
there are selecbration all over the arabic world.

but to tell you truth, it was only a matter of time. only a matter of time untill the extreme, violant islam will get near the homes of the rest of the world, not just us in israel.

maybe now, after this horroble tragedy, the world will understand that something needs to be done, and I'm not talking about condaming israel in an anti-racism comitee about doing thing that can save the world more of there terrorists acts.
 
137KrazyKoalaBears
      ID: 266182910
      Tue, Sep 11, 11:43
WiddleAvi, this is why there is never a "winner" in war. Each side celebrates the death of people from the other side. Just like we celebrated the death of Iraqi's during the Gulf War, so are the Palestinian's celebrating the death of Americans, their enemy in their fight with Israel.

"He who joyfully marches to music rank and file, has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the spinal cord would surely suffice. This disgrace to civilization should be done away with at once. Heroism at command, how violently I hate all this, how despicable and ignoble war is; I would rather be torn to shreds than be a part of so base an action. It is my conviction that killing under the cloak of war is nothing but an act of murder." - Albert Einstein

The people responsible need to be brought to justice in some form or fashion, but full out war will likely accomplish nothing except to start the hatred for another attack like this years, maybe decades, from now. That's just the way war is; it never really ends because of fighting, it only ends when there is peace.

Please remember the families and those lost today. They deserve more "air time" than the cowards responsible for this.

 
138Sandlot
      Donor
      ID: 59832108
      Tue, Sep 11, 11:45
I can't add anything else here that hasn't already been said. Since getting a call from a friend this morning to turn on my TV, I have alternated from stunned disbelief, to tears, to anger, to black despair over the condition of our society. Right now I'm just numb.

The Palestinians are celebrating. I'm sure they're not the only ones. I can't describe how sick that makes me. Yes, there will be retaliation. There has to be. And the madness goes on and on.

Continue to pray for the families of the injured and dead. Pray for the injured. Pray for President Bush and his team as they attempt to get a grasp on the situation and how to respond to it. Pray for the emergency workers and volunteers dealing with the horror of the attacks. Pray for our country, our planet. Too damn much hate out there, too damn much.
 
139KrazyKoalaBears
      ID: 266182910
      Tue, Sep 11, 11:45
"There is no way to change these people in our lifetime. Unless we wipe them all out ...and the only way to do that is with war ...the only other option would be for God to wipe out the evil again ... I am not a religious man but I would give up my life in a 2nd to get rid of all this horrible horrible violence and internal hatred that so many of these people have"

Sounds like the same thing those who started this madness were thinking.

 
141The Left Wings
      ID: 760719
      Tue, Sep 11, 11:47
So how many hydrogen bombs will be used this time around?
Is this the end of the world?
I think Americans should start thinking about their "we are better than the rest of the world" attitude. Somebody just showed them up. How their government responds will show us what kind of country it really is. I know generalizations are almost always not right, but I have to say that quite a large portions of Americans give people from other countries this impression. You know, the nose-to-the-sky I'm-better-than-you attitude.
I'm sorry if anyone is pissed off at my comments. But if you're pissed off, it also tells me what sort of person you are. I do feel bad for the casulties and their families, but there are things that other uninvolved families should think about.
 
142KrazyKoalaBears
      ID: 266182910
      Tue, Sep 11, 11:48
200 firefighters are reported missing. Even those who are trying to help in the aftermath are being struck by this attack.
 
143sarge33rd
      ID: 25818711
      Tue, Sep 11, 11:48
I've personally, never questioned the Israeli position of first strike. That being, the national propensity to launch preventive strikes when your intelligence gathering machine has indicated a threat to your national security. Now, perhaps those among the American people who have in the past condemned Israel's preemptive strikes...just perhaps they will see what it is Israel has been living with for the past 40 years. My time in the U.S. military allowed me to see a different world from that my parents saw...even if we viewed it at the same time. Today, our planet is filled with a population segment, which holds the believe that 'since it is what we believe, it is OK'...and that's really all the justification they require. Since they themselves choose to call it 'war', I say fine. Let's show them what war truly means. They destruction of the German industrial machine during the latter stages of WWII, should look like a picnic in comparison to what gets done to those nations supportive of terrorism.
 
144patjams
      ID: 27812119
      Tue, Sep 11, 11:48
Imagine the pain in making the decison to jump from the top of a 110 story building rather than being burned to death. I feel so much pain for those having been put in that position in their final moments in life.
 
145White Tiger
      ID: 11334218
      Tue, Sep 11, 11:49
I'm not saying that I would start a war! No way! But I am looking at it from Bush, The Pentagon, and many U.S. citizins ... I doubt they are all thinking about peace right now ... what I'm saying is that we are in trouble, this is truly how Wars start. This is just as bad a Pearl Harbour .... sad sad day...
 
146SwinganaMiss
      ID: 5845111
      Tue, Sep 11, 11:50
In response to post 100, they are now reporting only 45 persons onboard the plane crashing SE of Pittsburgh (not 421).
 
147skinneej
      Sustainer
      ID: 159241222
      Tue, Sep 11, 11:52
Already stated above, but confirming that all military bases are under ThreatCon CHARLIE. Dobbins ARB here in Marietta, GA is closed to all traffic as I'm sure all bases are at this point. I left for lunch early to go home and watch the news, and could not get back on the base. I had to park outside and enter through a pedestrian gate and walk over a mile to my building. I did hear that we have fighters on ready alert and I can see alot of activity across the runway on our flight line. I'm assuming just precautionary and not expecting anything this direction.
 
148KrazyKoalaBears
      ID: 266182910
      Tue, Sep 11, 11:54
White Tiger, fully understood. It's just that in times like this, we tend to get fanatical about retaliation and about who we need to kill in response to the killings and we fail to realize that thoughts like that are precisely what started the chain of events in the first place and that continuing that line of thought leads to a circle of violence that leads to wars on the scale of what we saw in decades past.

This is a sad day for our country. I only hope that we work along the lines of finding those responsible and bringing them to justice and not simply attacking a country as a whole for the actions of a few. We would be no better than those who started this destruction if we did that.

 
149KrazyKoalaBears
      ID: 266182910
      Tue, Sep 11, 11:55
Bush: "Freedom has been attacked, but freedom will be defended." (From ABC News)
 
150Myboyjack
      Leader
      ID: 4443038
      Tue, Sep 11, 11:55
The Left Wings - the gloating nature of your post did not escape me. Truly sickening that you see today's events as somebody "showing the US up"
 
151sarge33rd
      ID: 25818711
      Tue, Sep 11, 11:55
Left Wings...I've travelled, lived and worked over a large portion of this planets surface and in many, many countries. Never have I understood the impression of ' Americans with their noses in the sky...'??? Where do you come off with that? Have you ever witnessed the conduct of the Swiss when vacationing in Vail? Talk about 'stuck-up'! Or the French when visiting the Greek Isles? (Obviously, those folks I've encountered are by FAR the minority and PLEASE do not take the above as a national condemnation. Its rhetorical...Hopefully it points out the sheer lunacy of seeing 1 or 2 or 3 people and judging a nation by your own biased observations of so small a sampling of a countries population.)

For any one person, to meet a dz from another country and then accuse those people of having their noses in the air...simply proves exactly whose nose is where. It is your own belief that YOU are right and the people you have met are all wrong...which creates the atmosphere which then in turn fosters the madness we have seen this morning.
 
152smallwhirled
      ID: 197321922
      Tue, Sep 11, 11:55
Are there more hijacked planes still up in the air?
 
153patjams
      ID: 27812119
      Tue, Sep 11, 11:56
TLW, "somebody just showed them up"? I'd say this goes beyond showing anybody up. This is an attack on the human civilization as a whole. This will go down as the most barbaric act of cowardism in the history of man. If you have the balls enough to do something like this, you better have the balls enough to stand up and take responsibilty for it. This will be the ultimate "He who laughs last........". Even the enemies of the US who are not responsible for this attack will stand behind us on this one.
 
154sarge33rd
      ID: 25818711
      Tue, Sep 11, 11:57
to my knowledge smallwhirled...yes. there is still 1 unaccounted for aircraft
 
155Perm Dude
      Leader
      ID: 38728300
      Tue, Sep 11, 12:00
Strangly, the Taliban put out a press release expressing sympathy for the children of those who were killed in the tragedy. They disavow any part in the actions (they would have been #1 on my list of suspects).

Arafat also is "horrified" at the actions.

I think this is a Muslem (possibly Palastinian) far right action. Sounds like a lot of groups put everything they had into this one.

The highjacked planes were all trans-continental flights, because they were carrying the maximum amount of fuel.

pd
 
156sarge33rd
      ID: 25818711
      Tue, Sep 11, 12:01
the question of ..."Do we go to war?" is moot. That decision has been made for us. We ARE at war, whether we like it or not. Wheter we want it or not. Whether we choose to be or not. Fact is...war has been declared upon us. Now we have to decvide...do we fight back, or roll over?

As my fellow SF troopers used to say..."Nuke 'em till they glow, then we'll shoot 'em in the dark"."
 
157Peter N.
      Donor
      ID: 4675560
      Tue, Sep 11, 12:01
Now estimated 10,000 dead now in lower Manhatten.....surely more to come.....

Truely a sad day for America......
 
158steve houpt
      ID: 208461016
      Tue, Sep 11, 12:01
TLW - how you have reacted has shown us what kind of person you are. Lower than low.

 
159White Tiger
      ID: 11334218
      Tue, Sep 11, 12:01
Most definately KrazyK but do u really see bush and the American people standing for it? In our world (Us/Canada) Peace and tolerance are not taught. Win, take, be #1, fight, toughness, vengeance are taught ...sadly ... I am a man who truly truly believes in peace ...it starts with inner peace first ...and 90% of Americans or Canadians are nowhere near inner peace, I've practiced Bhudism, I'm an advid fan of Deepak Chopra (I wonder how he would handle this) and I believe that we are only bound to this earth by our body's and we should all be silent witness' as our lives unfold but I truly in my heart of hearts cannot see that happening ...all I feel is this inner gut wrenching tightening butterfly blaaaahness that this is the begining of WW3. All I keep hering is punish, retaliation, fight back, hunt down, revenge, warning, pay back .... truly not a good day :(
 
160Sandlot
      Donor
      ID: 59832108
      Tue, Sep 11, 12:02
FOXnews just reported that the official estimate is 10,000 casualties.

@#$%ers.
 
161YR
      ID: 4813222
      Tue, Sep 11, 12:05
I'll do the honors in starting the NYC local memorial:
Casualties include my best friend's dad and my ex-girlfriend's sister. I'm looking at the window right now and two words come to mind: "Nuclear Winter"
 
162WiddleAvi
      ID: 9830119
      Tue, Sep 11, 12:06
The news I am watching reports a 5th plane crash in an unknown location as well as 6 still unaccounted for planes
 
163White Tiger
      ID: 11334218
      Tue, Sep 11, 12:07
How do u know they're gone? Have they started looking for the deceased? Bush is talking!
 
164tomegun
      ID: 3589611
      Tue, Sep 11, 12:07
Just about every major sporting event is being postponed for both the fear of being a target and the respect for the victims.
 
165KrazyKoalaBears
      ID: 266182910
      Tue, Sep 11, 12:09
White Tiger, I agree. And the question that has to be asked is, "When is enough, enough?" Who becomes the people/country/leader to say that war is not the answer? When will it be "cool" to bring only those responsible to justice and not punish an entire country for the acts of their leaders? When do we decide to work towards living together under an umbrella of acceptance and understanding?

We are a world of hate, as you noted. We hate these people because they believe in a different God. We hate these people because they live differently from us. Hate is everywhere and there needs to be a point where cooler heads prevail and the hate is turned to peace. Otherwise, we'll all nuke each other and there will be nothing left to worry about because we won't even have a life-sustaining planet remaining.

I fear for the next World War. I fear it will be the end of humanity as we know it. There are too many "advances" (how can a means of more death be considered an "advancement"?) in military weapons to think that the next WW will be anything remotely similar to the previous two. It will be far worse and far more reaching and far more destructive.

Truly sad.

 
166sarge33rd
      ID: 25818711
      Tue, Sep 11, 12:10
White Tiger...in truth I agree with you. It would indeed be wonderful if Armies were no longer necessary. If theft, rape, murder and mayhem did not occur. Unfortunately such is not the human lot in life. Ours is to suffer by the masses at the hands of the few. Witness this morning, the attack upon the Tokyo subway, the bombings of the Marine barracks in Lebanon, the Berlin disco back in the 80's and most unfortunately, the list goes on and on and on and on...

No, retaliation will not end it, nor will simply turning the other cheek. For to do so, simply invites the other side of your jaw being broken. When dealing with bullies there really is only one option. Hit back. When my son was a youngster in school, and I taught him not to start fights, I still taught him HOW to fight. When the playground bully walks up and punches you in the nose...you are faced with two options...1) walk away or 2) fight him tooth and nail. Option 1 simply means that he'll be back again next recess and the one after that and the one after that...option 2, even if he whips your butt...he'll prolly move on to an easier target. One that won't bloody his shirt in return. Thats what we need to do. We need to make him bloody.
 
167DR Stars
      ID: 162592010
      Tue, Sep 11, 12:15
My prayers are with the casualties and families of this terrible act of war declared on the US. I trully hope this thing ends swiftly and that the least amount of blood is shed in the future.

In the meantime try to think in ways that each one of us can help to make this situation easier to handle to those whose relatives are missing or gone, to help those left homeless, to feed those in need, to give blood to those who need it...
 
168Perm Dude
      Leader
      ID: 38728300
      Tue, Sep 11, 12:17
Frankly, I'm surprised we don't have a clearer idea of who it is that attacked us. Maybe they are waiting for all the planes to finish one way or the other.

I'm afraid that those good people, working for peace, are going to get pushed aside or worse, attacked, because of this.

Awful, awful day.

pd
 
169SteveO
      ID: 125402716
      Tue, Sep 11, 12:18
My prayers to the friends and families of those affected. Kudos to KKB for the Albert Einstein quote. Everyone keep a cool head; phone your mother; hug your kid.
 
170KrazyKoalaBears
      ID: 266182910
      Tue, Sep 11, 12:19
sarge, not entirely true. I had a bully who hit me once and I went straight to the Principal's office and "tattled". He was already a "problem student" and got expelled. I've never seen him again. I showed him that there are other ways for someone to fight back.

While in college, I was at a bowling alley (I was a "regular") and one of the "regulars" who was a complete ass got in an argument with me. Things got heated, he punched me, I called the police. We went to court and he had to pay a $500 fine. The satisfaction for me was that his wife had just won a bowling tournament and got prize money in the amount of (you guessed it!) $500. Needless to say, she was pissed at him and from that day on, he was a different guy. He came to the bowling alley, bowled, and left without every creating another problem.

No, these are not isolated cases. They happen everyday when cooler heads prevail. Fighting brings more fighting. What happens if you son fights back and then some of the other guys friends jump in and beat your son to a pulp simply because of being outnumbered? At least he was a "man", eh? I'll take an undamaged face and body over being a "man" any day of the week.

 
171culdeus
      ID: 34821112
      Tue, Sep 11, 12:20
CDC in Atlanta is on alert. I just wonder if bioterrorism is next.... seems unlikely to me. Nobody seems to think you could deliver a lot of toxins easily.

FBI is on full alert for Viruses of the CPU type targeted at financials. Dollar has plummeted, Oil is up a ton. Look for Dow to take at least a 5-7% correction. This is no Oklahoma City this will be felt by everyone in some way.

My only connection in WTC has checked in with family. Thank God.

I really don't think PLO with archaiac weapons could organize something like this. I will keep my mind open to that possibility though.

If there ever was a time to give blood this is it. My building is on lockdown after work I am going to the RED X.
 
172sarge33rd
      ID: 25818711
      Tue, Sep 11, 12:20
DR Stars...a truly grand idea! I know I'll go to the blood bank tomorrow and donate a pint. Who else will do the same?
 
173skinneej
      Sustainer
      ID: 159241222
      Tue, Sep 11, 12:22
Just received this e-mail:
"For your information, the Force Protection Condition has been temporarily heightened to DELTA at all government-owned...facilities strictly as a precaution. It is important to note that there have been no specific threats or actions issued against any...property or facilities. The condition is only a precaution."

Force Protection Condition "NORMAL"
This Condition is declared when there is no intelligence information indicating the likelihood of a terrorist attack.
Force Protection Condition "ALPHA"
This Condition is declared as a general warning of possible terrorist activity, the nature and extent of which are vague and unpredictable.
Force Protection Condition "BRAVO"
This Condition is declared when there is an increased and more predictable threat of terrorist activity, even though no particular target has been identified.
Force Protection Condition "CHARLIE"
This Condition is declared when an incident occurs or when information is received from the U.S. Government indicating that some form of terrorist activity is imminent.
Force Protection Condition "DELTA"
This Condition is declared in the immediate area where a terrorist act has occurred, or when information has been received from the U.S. Government, or other known reliable source that a terrorist act against a specific location is likely.
 
174Cleveland Fan
      Donor
      ID: 294172211
      Tue, Sep 11, 12:23
I'm stunned. How can anyone have that much hatred in them? How can terrorist get through air port security? You can't take luggage or even a carry-on on a plane without first going through metal detectors. How can we be so vulnerable?
 
175KrazyKoalaBears
      ID: 266182910
      Tue, Sep 11, 12:26
sarge, I'll definitely join you in that effort. Anyone and everyone who can give blood needs to do so. I don't care how scared you are of the needle. Imagine how scared you would be deciding whether you wanted to jump from the top of the WTC to "get it over with" or await a burning death, or get crushed when the building collapses. It makes a needle not seem so daunting anymore. As a sign of respect and sympathy for those lost by these attrocities, we should all give blood as there is already a shortage and the full magnitude of the injured has not been felt yet.
 
176White Tiger
      ID: 11334218
      Tue, Sep 11, 12:26
I am truly torn on this one. How can we just let them get away with it? We can't ...or shouldn't, but if we strike back all it will do is cause more anger and more hatred. Like you said sarge, we can't just turn the other cheek and let them bust us one again ... THEY struck first ... what would the world think if the U.S. sent in war planes and just bombed innocent people and murdered 10,000-50,000 people? Not only would the country we bombed not allow it but the rest of the world wouldn't allow it. They had no reason to do this other then inner hatred. How consumed with anger does a people have to be to want to do something like this and then dance in the streets in celebration? You can say that "we hate them because they believe in another God" ...well I don't really think Americans "hate" these people. We do not understand them, we do not agree with them, but to hate them with the same hatred they hate us would be to bomb innocent children and families for no aparent reason (as they have done today) They hate us because we have power, they hate us because we believe in a different thing, they hate us because they are greedy, evil people. I know it's not fair to categorize an entire peoples but look at what these people believe in and what they stand for? Death, hatred, anger, and they do this for GOD?!??! Bwaa hahaha, ignorance has created this, and what other option then striking back do we have? If your dog attacks children and bites little girls for no reason other then his internal instincts u put him to sleep ... this is the way these people were raised, these are their instincts, this is what they believe in. I know we are supposed to be tolerant towards other religions and other peoples views and I usually am, but this is where I draw the line. They are WRONG. What they believe in is WRONG. They deserve to be punished. There is no other way. We cannot allow something like this to happen again... if it was my mother or my sister or my dear friend who had to jump from that building I would not stand for it. The American people should not have to stand for it. War is a horrible thing, but if these people believe they can keep killing and keep doing the things they do they are wrong. If "flying into the arms of Alah" is what they want that is what they will get. I wish there was another way but I don't believe there is. Truly a sad sad day.
 
177BillB
      Sustainer
      ID: 493403019
      Tue, Sep 11, 12:27
already did Steve O...I can't wait for my kids to come home from school to hug them...
 
178White Tiger
      ID: 11334218
      Tue, Sep 11, 12:29
I wonder if they will need people to help clean up? I would take the day trip to NY to help out if I could ... I'm an unemployed bum anyhow, I might as well put myself to use.
 
179Cleveland Fan
      Donor
      ID: 294172211
      Tue, Sep 11, 12:29
I am the most peace loving person I know, but we have to retaliate. We have no choice. When you are attacked you have to defend yourself or die.
 
180Sludge
      ID: 56202214
      Tue, Sep 11, 12:31
KKB #170 -

What principal are we going to run to? What police are we going to call? Who's going to expel the terrorists? Who's going to enforce a $500 fine?

Schoolyard and bowling alley fights are not comparable.
 
181KrazyKoalaBears
      ID: 266182910
      Tue, Sep 11, 12:31
Cleveland Fan, I once flew from ATL to LOS to visit my now fiancee and I took the video tape of Titanic with me. It's a double-tape, so it's pretty obvious inside a bag that goes through the x-ray machines. Still, I didn't hear a word about anything when I went through ATL security. However, on the way back, going through LOS (LAX) security, they made me pull out the tapes (in the box) and show them the tapes. They weren't playing around. Every airport is different, unfortunately, and if someone wants to find a way through their security, I'm sure they can find a way. Do we even know that they went through security? Could they have planned this far enough in advance to actually get a job with the airport and have access through those methods? Anything is possible. Once again, like during the Gulf War, airport security will stiffen, but once again, years from now, it will return to complacency and something new will happen. It's just the cycle that exists.
 
182Mattinglyinthehall
      ID: 1832399
      Tue, Sep 11, 12:32
We cannot retaliate until we know who did this.
 
183Mikel @ School
      ID: 30831611
      Tue, Sep 11, 12:32
Gas Prices are going up, the value of the Dollar is going down, our economy is breaking down and all we can do is sit here and watch.
 
184 Gomez Addams
      ID: 38712813
      Tue, Sep 11, 12:32
I found this story at the lasvegassun.com site.
I'm not sure how to create a link so here is the story:

Terrorists Must Have Had Own Pilots
NEW YORK (AP) - The terrorists who apparently hijacked four planes and attacked the World Trade Center and Pentagon could only have succeeded by using their own trained pilots in a scheme that defied all scenarios envisioned by national security officials, terrorism experts said.

"They flew the planes themselves," Gene Poteat, president of the Association of Former Intelligence Officers, said Tuesday.

"No pilot, even with a gun to his head, is going to fly into the World Towers," he said.

The hijackers used the airplanes as weapons, Poteat said, adding that they may also have had the ability to disable communications systems used to alert authorities to trouble.

"This has been an enormously long-planned and obviously carefully planned operation," Poteat said.

That massive planning effort was far beyond anything conceived by counterterrorism officials, who have focused on preventing individual attacks, said Steven Emerson of the Investigative Project, a research group focused on international terrorism.

"No one thought there was a capability of doing simultaneous attacks so none of the counterterrorism scenarios ever envisioned this," Emerson said.

Authorities have examined the chances of individual attacks on high-profile targets such as the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, including an attack on a large building using a commandeered plane, he said.

But most research examining the potential for attacks causing devastating loss of life has focused on chemical or biological means, he said.

"To the extent we know now, this is relatively low technology," Emerson said.

 
185Perm Dude
      Leader
      ID: 38728300
      Tue, Sep 11, 12:33
Calm down, WT. We don't know who "they" are yet, let alone ask why they did it.

It's clear that this is a Pearl Harbor type attack, and will get an appropriate response. We need to separate the "wanted tos" from the "could haves" and the "probably dids" first.

pd
 
186KrazyKoalaBears
      ID: 266182910
      Tue, Sep 11, 12:35
sarge, you're right, they aren't comparable (even though you brought up the comparision in #166), but the root of the problem is the same. What principal do we go to? How do we fine them? We don't. We find those responsible, and only those resonsible, and bring them to justice, just like bringing the bully to justice. There is no need for all out war on a country, just like there is no need for fisticuffs between individuals. Bringing individuals responsible to justice and going to war are totally different, both in their implementations and in what they can accomplish for the future.
 
187Mattinglyinthehall
      ID: 1832399
      Tue, Sep 11, 12:37
post 186
...unless of course we find out that this was done in cooperation with some foreign government.
 
188Toral
      Sustainer
      ID: 447461620
      Tue, Sep 11, 12:38
Mayor Rudolph Giuliani, interviewed on CBS, says that 2 other buildings near the WTC have collapsed with some people still inside. He says he was in one of them -- 75 Berkeley -- I don't think he meant at the time of the crash but that is unclear -- and was trapped for 15 minutes himself before getting out.

Toral
 
189Sludge
      ID: 56202214
      Tue, Sep 11, 12:39
That's Sludge, not sarge, KKB.

And I would never advocate blindly taking action against governments or groups who we merely suspect. Must have proof, but once such proof is obtained, I have no qualms with acting with the full force available to bring the guilty to justice through extermination (let's not mince words, here).
 
190Gangman
      Leader
      ID: 22351310
      Tue, Sep 11, 12:41
First casualty count I've heard is at least
10,000 souls.

 
191Mikel @ School
      ID: 30831611
      Tue, Sep 11, 12:41
One of my buddies in class just pointed out that it is a good thing that people arent rioting. JUst imagine the horror if that started.
 
192Razor
      Donor
      ID: 305102622
      Tue, Sep 11, 12:42
I don't know if the CDC is on alert for its own safety or not. I think it's supposed to be on alert regarding the terrorist acts in DC and NY. At least that's what I hope. The CDC is, oh, about 2000 ft. from where I'm typing this from, my dorm room.
 
193WiddleAvi
      ID: 9830119
      Tue, Sep 11, 12:42
I think that America must take a look at fighting terrorism overall. Work on doing whatever it can to fight every form of terrorism and not just target whoever was behind this.
 
194KrazyKoalaBears
      ID: 266182910
      Tue, Sep 11, 12:43
Sen Joe Biden: (paraphrase) "As you can see, the air is clear and safe and I think we can get back to what we were doing"

(quote) "I think it's very important to get back to business."

"We've come face to face with a new reality...A reality that has happened in varying degrees in other countries...The way to conduct the war is [to show that our lives have not been altered]...There are many things we can do to prevent this from happening in the future without changing our nation's character"

"What I don't want people to think is that [this is the work of a large group]"

The air's are safe? We need to get back to "normal" life? We need to show that our lives are unaltered? And this guy is the Chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee?

 
195Promize
      ID: 30848116
      Tue, Sep 11, 12:44
Haven't posted in awhile, I just can't believe this... In my lifetime, I just can't compare this to anything... Just in shock... I feel helpless as an american...

I hope as a nation we all pull together, actually I know we will.. There is absolutely no reason why we should not walk around each day and feel like we are unsafe.

The sadest comment i've heard on the news today is from a bystander they interviewed...

"Tonight a bunch of children will not have a mommy or daddy."

*sigh*
That just eats me up inside.. Cause my cousin who works in Manhattan just had a baby that's 1 years old... And it could of been her.
 
196Sludge
      ID: 56202214
      Tue, Sep 11, 12:46
Chris Matthews - "Suddenly the Social Security lockbox seems so trivial now."

Why, then, does SW Football and Baseball not seem trivial to some people?
 
197Mikel @ School
      ID: 30831611
      Tue, Sep 11, 12:46
Promize that quote made my stomach turn over
 
198KrazyKoalaBears
      ID: 266182910
      Tue, Sep 11, 12:46
Sludge, sorry for the misidentification. My mind is in a jumble right now, and I'm sure I'm not the only one.

Yes, I agree. The only thing I'm advocating is the focus on the people responsible for these acts, and not a country, or group of individuals (Palestinians, Muslims, etc.) as a whole. I believe you are saying the same thing.

Seeing the damage of surrounding buildings in the WTC area shows that this is still not over. Far from it.

 
199Promize
      ID: 30848116
      Tue, Sep 11, 12:49
Question,

Flights that could be coming in from England, other countries, etc... If they are highjacked or what not... What would the policy be of the government to stop them from crashing into places throughout the US? Via be it NY or LA... Kill innocent people to save other innocent people?

Just something I thought about......

Also just heard on the radio an American Airlines plane is still missing.
 
200KrazyKoalaBears
      ID: 266182910
      Tue, Sep 11, 12:53
Images of the PIT crash are making their way to TV. Apparently, the plane crashed into a corn field/forest area. CNN reports that the plane hit the ground at a 45-degree angle after flying at about 200 feet with no landing gear. They say the plane made a sharp bank and then rose in the air, then dove into the ground. From the way they described the crash, it sounds like it was somehow out of control or an unintended crash at that particular location. The intended location is not known, though it was certainly more along the lines of PIT or another large city.
 
201puckprophet
      ID: 52712723
      Tue, Sep 11, 12:53
i picked up my prescriptions, gas , and beer.....guess i'll hunker in the bunker , watching my 3 satellite dishes... give blood if you can ; my thoughts are with you guys,hang in there...i've never felt more fortunate living 1500 miles from anywhere...
 
202BillB
      Sustainer
      ID: 493403019
      Tue, Sep 11, 12:54
In order to regain peace, a war must be fought. This is how we obtained our freedom over 225 years ago and it is how we have maintained it for us and for those nations that employ the same citizen freedoms we believe in. Evilness, when threatening our democracy, needs to be dealt with swiftly and completely. War means PEOPLE DIE, both those who participate and those who may be "innocent bystanders". The problem is the present generation, for the most part, doesn't realize the price in lives we have paid over the
years in order to enjoy what we have.

Unfortunately, it is a price we will always have to be ready to pay. To adopt a pacifist approach would have had us all speaking German back in the 1940's.

Feel shock. Horror. Rage. Regroup. Seek out and destroy the offenders. They are not worthy of any of this Earth's bounties, and any nation condemning us of what WE need to do to protect OUR interests is, in my mind, consorting to the enemy.
 
203tomegun
      ID: 3589611
      Tue, Sep 11, 12:56
Dave, do you have any spare rooms?
 
204KrazyKoalaBears
      ID: 266182910
      Tue, Sep 11, 12:58
From the FBI:

WTC "North" (1st attack): American 11 (BOS > LOS) (89 passengers, 4 Flight attendants, 2 pilots)
WTC "South" (2nd attack): United 175 (BOS > LOS)
Pentagon crash: American 77 (WAS > LOS)
PIT crash: American 93 (Newark > SFO) (38 passengers, 5 Flight attendants, 2 pilots)

 
205Promize
      ID: 30848116
      Tue, Sep 11, 12:59
Just amazing that in the name of religion, some of the bloodiest battles/wars have been about religion.

It pains me to see people throughout the middle-east dancing in the streets... Children included... Cheering that 10000+ innocent people have died...

The sadness and pain almost turns to anger and hate for these people... Is this wrong? These people are taught from birth to believe just one way... it's like hatred in the US...

Just want everyone to know, I'm sure as angry as we are, and the revenge we all want... There is no doubt more innocent people are going to die...
 
206Khahan
      ID: 567232217
      Tue, Sep 11, 13:00
I think most people will agree that retaliation against those responsible is necessary. That without, needs to be done.
The question is, how far do we retaliate? I'm going use Bin Ladin just because he is the most likely.
Say Bin Ladin takes credit and actually is the responsible one. The US has asked, told, begged and bargained with Afghanastan to let us at Bin ladin for years. They consistently say no. In my eyes, Afghanastan has much culpability in this. They give these people protection. They give these terrorists resources. They have responsibility.
Perhaps how we strike back against a country that has assisted this terrorist group should be different. But those countries and governments who knew about this, who aided the terrorist groups who gave resources and sheltered and protected need to be taught a lesson. You harbor somebody who is hurting the US, you get in our way and you'll get stomped.
.
Yes, I believe in peace. I teach martial arts. I teach kids martial arts. I teach them how to hit, how to kick, how to strike. But I do not teach them how to fight. I teach them how to defend yourself and I teach them that there is always other methods to try first aside from physical violence.
However, I don't think you can take this incident as a stand alone incident and look for other ways to respond just from this incident. This is the culimation of years of attacks. Of years of soft policy, light retaliation and figuring out 'what else we can do.' Its time to realize that the only way these people will stop attacking the US if they are stopped.
 
207sarge33rd
      ID: 25818711
      Tue, Sep 11, 13:00
agreed BillB...peace is won and maintained via one means and one means only...'Peace through superior firepower'. Unless we make the assaulting of our people prohibitive expense...it will continue. Once we demonstrate that we can and will retaliate, viciously, w/o remorse and with total dedication to the eradication of the offender...then and only then is there even the remotest possibility of Peace.
 
208WiddleAvi
      ID: 9830119
      Tue, Sep 11, 13:02
a) You have to wonder how much more they had planned for today that didn't go through...They attacked NY & Washington, you have to think they had plans to attack SF and/or LA. I would take a guess and say there were plans of maybe double the amount of plane attacks.
b)What can America do to prevent this in the future ?? Is it possible to prevent someone from taking a smaller plane and just crash it into a building ?
 
209tomegun
      ID: 3589611
      Tue, Sep 11, 13:05
We lost the population of a small city today, 10,000 plus people. The response to this dasterly deed should have some equiventency in memory of those that couldn't protect themselves.



 
210sarge33rd
      ID: 25818711
      Tue, Sep 11, 13:05
Is it possible? Absolutely. The difficulty does not lie in the preventing the act...it lies in the preventing of the act WHILE maintaining the civil liberties we Americans demand and have enjoyed for some 200 years. Now, to ask the question, Is it possible while maintaining our past individual freedoms? becomes a whole different question. The answer to that one I fear, is NO.
 
211patjams
      ID: 32734122
      Tue, Sep 11, 13:06
RE: questions concerning airport security and how a terrorist can get through. All it takes to hi-jack a plane is a plastic Glock. The weapon used for destruction was the plane itself. If a man is willing to die for his cause, there is virtually nothing one can do to stop him. It wouldn't surprise me if they've had this plan in the works since the last time they tried to blow up the WTC. They tried from the bottom and were unsuccessful. This time they tried from the top and reduced one of mankinds most remarkable pieces of architecture (size wise) to rubble within less than 2 hours. They accomplished what they set out to do. They can watch CNN and bask in the glory of that accomplishment. But before they go to sleep tonight, they will know that forces stronger than even the will of Allah will be upon them and there will be no escape.
 
212Rogue's Strikers
      ID: 33732119
      Tue, Sep 11, 13:09
WiddleAvi, in direct answer to your question the Canadian Army has just arrived at Dorval International Airport here in Montreal (I live in an appartment building not too far away, so I can see with my golf binoculars pretty well) and they have a plane surrounded by at least 50 armed men. No news crews around and the airport has been shut down so I have to assume I'm one of the 1st to know about it. I'd call my local news station but I don't want to start a panic around here. For all I know this is just a precautionary measure that they're doing for all planes landing from the US. Pretty unsettling though...
 
213winmiller
      Sustainer
      ID: 107452613
      Tue, Sep 11, 13:10
I was working around the house today with the TV and radio off, and the first I heard of the attack was when I saw this thread title. I thought it was some kind of OT joke thread at first, then I saw that there was already 72 posts, and I knew something was terribly wrong. I flipped on the TV, saw the havoc, and this is the first time I've been able to bring myself to post.

My prayers got out to the victims, their family and friends, and for those rescue workers trying to mitigate the damage. I pray that the injured survivors heal quickly. And I pray that those responsible for this can be brought to justice without the outbreak of widespread violence.
 
214Mikel @ School
      ID: 30831611
      Tue, Sep 11, 13:11
My buddie is on AIM express and his friend in NYC said that they told them not to drink the water. I found that pretty interesting in itself.
 
215Khahan
      ID: 567232217
      Tue, Sep 11, 13:12
Patjams, you are absolutely correct. Its important to remember a number of things, not the least of which is that turning to airport security for answers is just the wrong place.
Other things to keep in mind (and I only post this because I'm now hearing VERY disturbing reports out of Detroit and NyC):
Arabs and mid-easterners in general are NOT to blame. Many of Arab descent are happy and patriotic citizens of the United States. Turning on their communities also is the wrong place to turn to lay blame and take out aggression.
Please, as a regular citizen do not try and do the job of the government or military force.
I've heard numerous reports of Arabian people in NYC being pulled from cabs and beaten. I've hear in many places that Detroit (which has a very large mid-eastern community) of rioting or near rioting. Just because somebody is of Arab or Mid-eastern descent does not make them responsible for this.
 
216sarge33rd
      ID: 25818711
      Tue, Sep 11, 13:13
That Mikel, would fit with Bin Laden M.O. A 'major' attack with one hand which draws all your attention/resources and all the while, the true threat sneaks in from the other side. I'd test the water in ANY govt building/attck site...before drinking it today if it were me.
 
217Khahan
      ID: 567232217
      Tue, Sep 11, 13:14
Well, Bin Laden has denied responsibility.
 
218sarge33rd
      ID: 25818711
      Tue, Sep 11, 13:15
Absolutely Khahan...the worst case of national conduct in our nations history, was the treatment of Japanese Americans or the Oriental community in whole, during WWII. I would not for one second, advocate such action.
 
219Sludge
      ID: 56202214
      Tue, Sep 11, 13:15
NBC reporting that FAA states that all domestic flights are now on the ground.
 
220cab
      Donor
      ID: 783144
      Tue, Sep 11, 13:16
I am watching things from very far afield(New Zealand)and i am stunned...I cannot begin to imagine how you,as American citizens ,are feeling right now...My heart goes out to not only folk that may have relatives and friends in Manhattan and Washington but to the U.S nation as a whole...I truly hope that retaliation is swift and if that means war, then so be it....I know New Zealand is only a piss arse country stuck in the middle of the south pacific but i do know know that whatever happens,The U.S will have the full support of all New Zealanders(99.9% anyway).....It is a tragic thing that i have been witnessing indeed...
(ps..sorry bout the swearing)
 
221Rogue's Strikers
      ID: 33732119
      Tue, Sep 11, 13:16
Khahan, really? Guess it was someone else then. ;) Thats almost as funny as the Afghanistan Taliban's foreign minister's answers. What kind of foreign minister doesn't speak English? He doesn't have to be great, but at least minor understanding of the world's acknoledged language would be nice...
 
222sarge33rd
      ID: 25818711
      Tue, Sep 11, 13:16
Bin Laden may have denied responsibility, but guess what? I DONT BELIEVE HIM! News reports quote him as having said 3 weeks ago...an unprecedented attack upon the Americans is imminent...' Well gee, how coincidental.
 
223Sludge
      ID: 56202214
      Tue, Sep 11, 13:18
Maybe it would be a good idea to start a new thread soon. Even with a cable modem, the load time is starting to become annoying.
 
224sarge33rd
      ID: 25818711
      Tue, Sep 11, 13:18
Bin Laden must die. Beginning, middle, and end of him. I'd be personally more than glad to ensure the passage of just such an event.
 
225KrazyKoalaBears
      ID: 266182910
      Tue, Sep 11, 13:20
A passenger with a cell phone on American 93 (the PIT crash) went into the bathroom on the plane and called some emergency number and reported, "We are being hijacked! We are being hijacked!"

Looks like the PIT crash somehow managed to avert a disaster on the scale of NYC.

 
226Unemployed
      Donor
      ID: 53428912
      Tue, Sep 11, 13:21
Is the entire phone network down in NYC? I can't get throught to anyone, even those outside of Manhattan. Haven't heard from a lot of my friends yet, not to mention my family.
 
227smallwhirled
      ID: 157582113
      Tue, Sep 11, 13:22
Some guy on tghe news came up with a theory that the flight that crashed near Pittsburgh was also headed for Washington (maybe the White House).
 
228Dylan
      ID: 193542220
      Tue, Sep 11, 13:24
I also heard that the plane was most likely headed for The White House
 
229wildyams/katietx
      ID: 3483513
      Tue, Sep 11, 13:24
Please be aware that Bin-Ladin does have the $$ to pull something like this off. And, he has the resources to recruit trained pilots. In their religious zealotness, these people will do anything.

I have, as well, travelled to many other countries. In most cases, Americans were treated well and acted well. However, when it comes to the middle east, we are not looked upon as human. We are looked upon as devils, the enemy, no better than scum. So, since they think we are devils lets prove them right, and blast them to hell...where they surely belong.

For the Palestinians to "grieve for the children" is sickening! I don't want their grief. There is only one person ultimately responsible for this. And the fact that the Afghan, et al, hide him is more than enough for me to say...take off the gloves. NOW!

Peace will not settle this. The reason this happened during this week is fairly evident. And it is fairly evident why the Palesinian organizations are behind it. They abhored the fact of the Camp David Accords, which happened during this week. Arafat can take his words of condolence and shove them.

Now, to the post that we need George Sr. Please! Just exactly what do you want Bush to do right now? Only 5 hours after the fact. As sarge pointed out to me, even if planes were deployed as soon as the first plane hit the WTC, they wouldn't be at their target yet. And, which exact target do you propose they hit?

We need to take a lesson from the Israelies...the bleeding heart liberals in the US need to shut up and let the HAWKS take over.

I say, where is Barry Goldwater when you need him? Talk about not putting up with s*** like this. Bin Laden would have been long gone by now. But of course we had Clinton, the ultimate politician, who did not take care of business when he could have!
 
230Peregrine
      ID: 47822415
      Tue, Sep 11, 13:25
Just FYI, there was also a bomb threat this morning that evacuated one of the biggest buildings at the University of Michigan in Ann Arbor this morning. Don't know if it's a hoax or not.

Some people here are fairly nervous since it's home to one of the bigget pro-isreal centers in the country, as well as a huge pro-palestinian movement.
 
231sarge33rd
      ID: 25818711
      Tue, Sep 11, 13:26
Unemployed: No doubt the phone lines in and around NYC are jammed. I'd suggest patience.

As to who to attack, when, where etc:

Let's start with Iraq. We know Saddam's attitude. We know his position on us as a people. We also know he shot down one of our unmanned recon planes. Bad timing Saddam. BOOM! Then, onto Afghanistan. Where Bin Laden has been hiding, reveling,recruiting and training terrorists for years. If the Afghan Gov't won't give him up to us, fine. We'll just come and get the bastard then. And while we're there, we'll put in a Gov't that has just a wee-bit more respect for the U.S. Anyone for making Afghanistan the 51st state?
 
232wildyams/katietx
      ID: 3483513
      Tue, Sep 11, 13:26
Oh, Khahan...and you believe him? LMAOROFPMP
 
233Cleveland Fan
      Donor
      ID: 294172211
      Tue, Sep 11, 13:28
The plane in Cleveland turned out to be a false alarm. They were holding it along with the passengers on the runway, but have evacuated the plane and found nothing on it. I don't believe Bin Laden either.
 
234WiddleAvi
      ID: 9830119
      Tue, Sep 11, 13:30
Sludge....I just started a 2nd thread Continuation of this thread
 
235Rogue's Strikers
      ID: 33732119
      Tue, Sep 11, 13:31
I hate to play the devil's advocate here, but what if it wasn't Bin Laden? I'd hate to think we'd use him as a scapegoat for our anger. There has been no proof that it was him other than the fact that he's a known terrorist. That can be said of lots of people. I hope the US (the world for that matter) waits to find out who is responsible before taking action.
 
236Khahan
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      Tue, Sep 11, 13:32
hey, I never said I believe him. I jsut posted what the news reported. At the same time, he seems like the type that would be jumping for joy and proclaiming a great victory had he staged this.
Perhaps he is going to wait to accept responsbility for a few days. My gut still tells me he did it, but if he did, his denial seems odd and out of place.
Also, I've now heard that the plane which went down outside of Pittsburgh was out of Newark, Nj and headed to San Fransisco.
My guess is that one was headed for the Sears Tower in Chicago and somebody, either passenger or pilot, did something very heroic.
 
237KrazyKoalaBears
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      Tue, Sep 11, 13:32
ABC News reports that all planes have landed.

Air travel has been suspended until 12:00 Noon tomorrow. This is approximately 36,000 flights

 
238patjams
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      Tue, Sep 11, 13:32
One thing is for sure, if it is retaliation that we seek, better to have Bush in the White House than Clinton.
 
239Mattinglyinthehall
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      Tue, Sep 11, 13:40
post 231
Then we can move on to your house sarge.
 
240Sandlot
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      Tue, Sep 11, 13:42
Khahan, that has been my gut feeling all morning about that fourth plane that went down near Pittsburgh. With the precision that the other attacks were carried out, it would have taken something heroic by a crew member or passenger to stop the last plane.
 
241KnicksFan
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      Sat, Oct 13, 18:28
(sorry about resurrecting this thread a month later but i just noticed it now)

KTX, about stuyvesant H.S.- as you may know, i graduated from there in june and i got in contact with some people there and apparently every student and teacher made it out safely.
This attack hits really close to home for me since i went to school just blocks from there, i live just 1 mile from the site, and my dad works at city hall which is just a couple blocks away. It also brings a tear to my eye when i see the buildings where i went to lunch everyday and where i waited for my bus, etc. on the news in ruins. hopefully this will be the last of these attacks.
 
242ukula
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      Thu, Sep 11, 2003, 10:09
On this second anniversary of 9/11 I think it's time to relive the horror that we experienced that day and to remember why we are fighting the wars overseas.
 
243Khahan
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      Thu, Sep 11, 2003, 11:33
Thanks Ukula. This something nobody should ever forget...or allow to become some trifled 'historical memory.'
In America, we still the feel the effects of this attack today, 2 years later.
 
244Perm Dude
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      Thu, Sep 11, 2003, 11:40
a quick link to a current thread on the Politics Forum started by Baldwin, Where Were You When...