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Subject: Feedback for TSN

  Posted by: Erik B. - [239592612] Wed, Apr 03, 2002, 13:08
Thought I'd start a thread for any feedback on the game now that the season's started. Internally, we believe that Ultimate Baseball is our best looking, most challenging and most playable game -- but, hey, we could be deceiving ourselves. Tell us what you like, what you don't like, what should change for future years.

-ESB
GM/TSN
 
1j o s h
      ID: 1037217
      Wed, Apr 03, 2002, 13:10 		in the free game..... how about showing standings for the folks who don't purchase trades?
 
2Ender
      ID: 52438315
      Wed, Apr 03, 2002, 13:23 		Maybe just a flag either for those who have purchased or trade or for those who haven't.
 
3Baron
      ID: 20221614
      Wed, Apr 03, 2002, 13:45 		One of the new features that I am really enjoying is the emailed reports that I get every morning. It's nice to get up and all I need to do is check my email and I can see how all three of my teams did.
 
4ChicagoTRS
      Sustainer
      ID: 10350110
      Wed, Apr 03, 2002, 14:07 		I have three teams...it would be nice to get an email report for each team instead of only the first team I created.
 
5Steve Biz
      Donor
      ID: 10344313
      Wed, Apr 03, 2002, 14:17 		I'd like to echo the point made in posts 1 and 2. It should be shown how many trades a person has bought. Also, it would be awesome if on the division leaders page it flagged whether you had bought trades or not. These would be relatively simple additions and would extensively add to the enjoyment of the game for many. Thanks.
 
7sosa
      ID: 124154
      Wed, Apr 03, 2002, 15:14 		Re: 4 and 6, I am getting all 3 of my reports. I think you need to change that option on all three of your teams and you should get all 3 reports.
 
8Dan
      Sustainer
      ID: 0229323
      Wed, Apr 03, 2002, 15:23 		sosa, is right on...On each team you have to click the link on the left daily e-mail report and make sure you have

YES! I'd like to receive the FREE Daily Email Team Report. It will be sent to the email address I entered when I registered as a member of The Sporting News.
checked.
 
9Erik B.
      ID: 239592612
      Wed, Apr 03, 2002, 15:47 		Yep, post #8 is right. We didn't see any way around it. Check the box, and the emails will come.

I'll think about the suggestion for the free game. It's not a bad one.

-ESB
 
10ChicagoTRS
      Sustainer
      ID: 10350110
      Wed, Apr 03, 2002, 15:58 		thanks for the info...i will go check the box =)
 
11Flying Polack
      ID: 16356116
      Wed, Apr 03, 2002, 16:01 		Ok, after reading post 4 again I'm deleting post 6, I read it too fast. What I thought it said was, instead of receiving 3 e-mails from TSN each morning, it'd be nice to receive 1, w/ an update for all 3 teams. I'd like to see that change.
 
12j o s h
      ID: 1037217
      Wed, Apr 03, 2002, 16:20 		The suggestion for the free game might also help you sell some trades as well.

There must be some newbs to fantasy games who don't quite understand why they would buy trades. And then they actually see that all the top teams do it;-$
 
13Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Wed, Apr 03, 2002, 16:39 		I can't read the emails, because I use Netscape 4.7 as my email engine, and the html in the email is fatally defective for Netscape. When I looked at the source, I see there are 5 table opening tags, but only 3 closing tags. In Netscape, if a table isn't properly closed, it will not display. So all I see is a blank message.

I sent Bernie a note on this today. After getting these for three days, I figured maybe no one had alerted TSN. Am I the only one using Netscape for email? I prefer Netscape because most viruses don't automatically activate there.

MSIE is more forgiving with tables. If a table is not closed properly, it makes a guess (rather than just giving up, as Netscape apparently does). So those who use the MS email program will not have the display problem.
 
14gibby88@WORK
      ID: 588371414
      Wed, Apr 03, 2002, 16:42 		I, too, enjoy the e-mails. Thanks!


 
15Perm Dude
      Leader
      ID: 22347210
      Wed, Apr 03, 2002, 16:43 		I use Eudora for e-mail and it opens up nicely, whether a fully-opened message or in browse mode.

Glad to see I can get updates for all my teams. Good tip.

pd
 
16Khahan
      ID: 309491417
      Wed, Apr 03, 2002, 16:56 		Here's some feedback based on last season:
Stick with the red cross for players officially on the DL. DON'T USE THE BLUE CROSS.
 
17John Budge
      ID: 29141112
      Wed, Apr 03, 2002, 17:01 		I've had my box checked since I created my team (I am the Walrus Coo Coo Ca Chu), but only received one(1) email on March 27. Explanation?
 
18Bungers
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      Wed, Apr 03, 2002, 17:04 		They thought you were the Eggman? ;)
 
19Erik B.
      ID: 239592612
      Wed, Apr 03, 2002, 17:22 		JB:

Could be that you need to activate your email account (follow the link on the left-side). If you're still having problems, send me an email (ebarmack@sportingnews.com)

Guru:

Thanks for the tip. I know that Bernie's aware of this.

-ESB
 
20Mike D
      Donor
      ID: 37222147
      Wed, Apr 03, 2002, 17:25 		Guru---"Am I the only one using Netscape for email?"-----probably! My sister used it until a couple of months (when I reformatted her hard drive). Her IP said they didn't support Netscape at all, didn't even have any idea how to approach it. Seems like more and more Netscape is being forgotten about as an e-mail source.
 
21The_Beast
      ID: 42591117
      Wed, Apr 03, 2002, 18:02 		The only complain i have is regarding the "purchase trades" option in the free game. I know that the function of the games from TSN's perspective is to make a profit, but isnt that what the ultimate games are for?
 
22Ardsley Yankees
      ID: 312422717
      Wed, Apr 03, 2002, 18:02 		How about adding a column on each manager's team page showing each player's year-to-date total TSN points, as opposed to only showing what he did last night?
 
23rockafellerskank
      Sustainer
      ID: 24215319
      Wed, Apr 03, 2002, 18:10 		Can you create a printer friendly version of the "Your Team" page? Unless you 'landscape' or only 'print selected area' the final column doesn't fit on 8.5 x 11. The final column is PRICE!

Thanks rfs ®
 
24Ardsley Yankees
      ID: 312422717
      Wed, Apr 03, 2002, 18:12 		Just to clarify post #22, I'm referring to the pages of the other managers in your division. Sorry for the confusion.
 
25Ender
      ID: 13443221
      Wed, Apr 03, 2002, 18:20 		Beast, that topic has been beaten to death in 2 threads already. Erik and Bernie are well aware of some existing negative sentiment.

I only say this because I don't want this thread to become another rag session on this issue. Of course we should give both negative and positive feedback, but this issue is apparently dead in the water.
 
26j o s h
      ID: 45329318
      Wed, Apr 03, 2002, 18:38 		Ender- thought maybe we could ask Bernie if we could treat this like a suggestion box. If we come up with some cool new idea's to help them sell trades they could toss us poor basturds who cant afford to buy them a few free trades:)
 
27KrazyKoalaBears
      Donor
      ID: 266182910
      Wed, Apr 03, 2002, 18:47 		A suggestion box is good, but a soap box is not. ;)

Overall, I'm pleased with the games to this point in the season. There have been some minor glitches, but who hasn't had their share of those when it comes to running fantasy games? LOL!

To get things started on the suggestion box, I think if you limited the number of trades bought over a time frame, then it would be better. So someone can't just buy 50 trades to start the season. They could only buy like 1 or 2 per week. I know it doesn't help totally, but I think this would be more along the lines of offering managers a safety net as described in the information about buying trades. Further, I think buying trades should come at a price to someones Roster Value. Charge real money for a trade, but also charge $100k or $250k or $500k for a trade so that buying them just for rotation purposes becomes a strategy, not just the obvious thing to do. Anyhow, those are my suggestions, so beat them with a 2 x 4.

 
28slosh23
      ID: 38610823
      Thu, Apr 04, 2002, 03:26 		Not to continue to beat a dead horse on buying trades, but I think I just saw an eyeball twitch. I want to continue the discussion started by KKB about making the trades to be as advertised, a safety net, not a way to win going away.

My, and most people's, complaint on the buying of trades seems to be about remaining competitive. My first TSN game with buying trades has been NASCAR. One trade a week is hard to get by with, but if you are smart and try to manage your team well, it is possible to compete for the season and remain in the race to win. In baseball the ability to buy trades is a lot different, because it can give you more pitcher starts then the guy who doesn't buy them. This isn't a safety net, a way to make up for mistakes, but a way to WIN. I think KKB is starting down the right road with not just charging hard $, but also some of your roster $. Make it more strategy based. Maybe the new trades can only be used for position players, and not pitchers? That still would allow the 2 trades a week to be used for pitchers. But it would allow players to still compete without worrying about someone buying themselves the win through more starts. It still would give a slight tilt to buying because you wouldn't have to use your free trades for position players, but it would allow the frugal player to remain in the game.
Baseball is such a different beast then any of the other games; the ability to buy trades in the other games can be helpful to fix a problem, but in baseball it is the clear way to win -> with buying the ability to rotate pitchers. I know this is the first year in charging for baseball, and for the most part I agree with your defense of the model to charge. You have to make money as company, and I would hate to see my favorite game shut down. I hope that you will listen to ways to improve the model and at least try to make the free game competitive to all, as NASCAR seems to be.

BTW, for my own defense -> I bought 3 teams in ULTIMATE and am also playing a free team, but one I will not buy trades. So I don't have a problem with paying to play.
 
29slosh23
      ID: 38610823
      Thu, Apr 04, 2002, 03:58 		Okay after my diatribe about pay for trade, I hope you will still listen to my suggestions for the ULTIMATE game.

First, please don't add the ability to buy trades to the Ultimate game. Next, I made my complaint about screwed up scoring in another thread and you responded to that.
That is key, respond!! -> You have a great game, just don't hide when things go wrong. People check their team, and the scores 24-7. As soon as a problem is noticed, post it. Just be honest -> say that the stat feed has a discrepancy, that the formula for calculating a price change is wrong, or that the totaling routine is off...whatever the problem is. Post here about what is happening(cause we are probably your biggest critics), post on the site about it too. Be as descriptive as you can about the problem and when you think the problem will be fixed. By being straight forward on your problems, most people will deal with them a lot better. From my 4 years of playing, that is the biggest complaint. Let the users know what is going on, don't try to hide that a problem is going on.

Erik and Bernie I think you guys have been much better about this then anyone was previously. But now it will matter so much more because a lot of us are playing to pay the game. Thanks.

Oh yeah I agree with the end of the "blue cross of screwing your roster value"
 
30mr g
      ID: 15311150
      Thu, Apr 04, 2002, 04:11 		that why i'm not buying trades in the free game, it's like do u hav a limit, no !!!!!!! hell let's see i could spend $750 to win $500 wow sounds very fun to me add in time, god i thing you free game is a winnner,midseason or next year limit the trades it might put a little more money in your pockett.
 
31mr g
      ID: 15311150
      Thu, Apr 04, 2002, 04:17 		see u can keep the bonus buy on trades( get the money out of thier hands fast), but keep a limit on how many trades can be used in a week, this will get u players playing longer and spending.
 
32Erik B.
      ID: 239592612
      Thu, Apr 04, 2002, 11:02 		mr g: there are a set # of trades you can buy (a cap)

slosh: there will never be a pay-for-trades model on any of our ultimate games. period. finito. and i agree with you 100% -- as our ultimate business grows, we need to be held more accountable to high standards.

rfs: i love the idea of having printer-friendly templates. we'll talk about this for football. or even baseball (if the dust settles soon). great, great idea.

thanks for everyone's feedback to date.

-esb
 
33KrazyKoalaBears
      Donor
      ID: 266182910
      Thu, Apr 04, 2002, 11:14 		Erik B, I just got my team report emails and was expecting a bit more up-to-date information. For instance, from my 3 emails, I got up-to-date info for guys like Ishii, Millwood, and some others, but didn't read about why Blalock missed yesterday's game, or what to think of Corey Patterson, etc. I also read about Koch blowing a save and getting the win from 2 days ago, but didn't read about him rebounding last night for a save.

I like the feature, but I think it could have some more up-to-date information, especially if there are going to be game-by-game breakdown's on some guys like J.Jones, Koch, etc.

 
34Khahan
      ID: 12432113
      Thu, Apr 04, 2002, 11:50 		Don't use the B.C.O.D this year!
Did I say that?
 
35Erik B.
      ID: 239592612
      Thu, Apr 04, 2002, 11:51 		KKB:

That's tied into another TSN business -- and it's something we're working on. Good feedback.

Khahan:

No BCOD, indeed.

-ESB
 
36slammer
      ID: 407261110
      Thu, Apr 04, 2002, 12:00 		It would be nice when you are looking at your division and then look at another team, that all the other tems would be listed on that page. That would allow you to look at each team without going back.
 
37Ref
      ID: 28045169
      Thu, Apr 04, 2002, 12:36 		Erik,
This 5 day avg pitching price change is horrible. As a veteran with many years playing Small World, let me say that this has nothing to do with the Stock Market. Dampen prices or something but go back to the regular stock market game. By trying to change people's strategies, you're hurting the integrity of the game. J and Walk say it better in the Price Movers thread today 4/4.
 
38Jackie Robinson
      Leader
      ID: 4942911
      Thu, Apr 04, 2002, 12:43 		Ref: AMEN!!!!!!!!!
I couldn't agree with you more. We now have the worst of two worlds. The pitching price movements are still similar to last years and they seem to be based on randomness. You cannot tell me that their was a ton of buying of David Wells the day after he pitched. I have to wonder with Randy down $110 today and the largest pitcher loser who decided to sell him so heavily 3 days after a great outing and 2 days before he pitches. Please go back to the old method, divide the results by 2 or 3 and restore logic to the game.
 
39ChicagoTRS
      Sustainer
      ID: 10350110
      Thu, Apr 04, 2002, 12:47 		I second that the 5 day pitching price changes...suck.

At least right now they do...I will hold off final judgement until we get a few weeks further into the season and things should start to level off and real patterns should start to form.

It is kind of funny that people are getting burned for Randling...but it would not be so funny if I was one of them...I probably would have been one if I didn't listen to the sage advice of a few people on these boards.
 
40ChicagoTRS
      Sustainer
      ID: 10350110
      Thu, Apr 04, 2002, 12:49 		Jackie...noone had to sell RJ yesterday...it is based on 5 days. RJ received so many sells the day after he pitched that he dominates the 5 day sells thus he is still the biggest loser today.

 
41JeffG
      Sustainer
      ID: 40451227
      Thu, Apr 04, 2002, 12:51 		Most everybody hated when they went from weekly repricing to daily a few years ago too. Like anything else, we will get used to it, figure out how to work with it, and then they will come up with something else for the next season. Whatever they choose, we'll all adapt. Since we are all playing under the same conditions it hopefully will be a non factor. I'll reserve my issues with this 5 day thing until it plays out a little more.
 
43Ender
      ID: 52438315
      Thu, Apr 04, 2002, 12:55 		I presume that RJ's loss was greater to day due to reactionary sells based on his losses yesterday. I suspect it will snowball up until the day of his next start. Even that may not mean he will end up gaining that day as the net effect may be a loss, but it will at least be much smaller.
 
44walk
      Leader
      ID: 14154112
      Thu, Apr 04, 2002, 12:58 		Lifted from another thread:

I totally agree. The game is supposed to be based on the stock market, and the market does not behave based on 5 day averages. People buy when there's good news (analog = good performances; buying fever based on seeing others buy) and people sell when there's bad news (analog = bad performances; panic selling from seeing others sell).

This new [pricing] model, while trying to clean up one mess, has kinda created a situation where, at least for now, no one can truly appreciate a pattern and manage strategically around it. Here's hoping that the crystal ball becomes clearer in the coming weeks. If anyone can figure it out, some of the veteran gurupies here can (e.g. Guru, Madman, KKB, etc.).

Additional: Erik -- perhaps we need to be more patient, and I know it's very tricky to change the rules in the middle of the game, but I have to admit, the new pitcher pricing model is not very intuitive and if we are not able to figure it out -- to an extent that we can make planned purposeful moves that reflect performance and market sentiment, and not some bizarre algorithm that will merely impact WHEN we rotate, not IF -- then you might need to consider going to something plainer/simpler/easier.

thanks,
- walk
 
45Ender
      ID: 52438315
      Thu, Apr 04, 2002, 13:00 		Do NOT change the formula midstream, especially when we don't truly know what it's effect will be. It's odd right now because we've only had 4 repricings.
 
46Mattinglyinthehall
      ID: 3711402623
      Thu, Apr 04, 2002, 13:06 		While I am not high on the change either, this is still only the 5th day of baseball and we have not even see one complete cycle. Trends will develop, probably ambiguously at first, but as more people catch on to the best ways of maximizing points and cash, we see some more established patterns unfold. I expect that I will sit tight for another week to 10 days (unless someone gets hurt or one of my cheapies throws a couple of stinkers) and use my accumulated trades to move into a strategy of leaving two spots for rotating into pitchers with 2 start weeks for a while. That seems like it might be the safest thing to do until either; a) folks bolder than me drive the market into a discernable direction, or b) folks smarter than me come up with a better idea and propose their strategy on Rotoguru.com.
 
47Mattinglyinthehall
      ID: 3711402623
      Thu, Apr 04, 2002, 13:07 		Re #45 Important post, Ender.

Under no circumstances should the rules of the game be changed. We all knew the rules going in and should be stuck with them.
 
48Guru
      ID: 462532812
      Thu, Apr 04, 2002, 13:11 		First, the email was correctly displayed in Netscape today. Thanks for the repairs.

Second, here is my response on the 5-day pitcher price change (copied from today's pricing thread):

The 5-day thing is fine. It just behaves oddly at the start of the season. This should not have been a surprise to anyone who visits this forum. Once Randy starts getting some heavy buys, his price will stabilize. Until then, if you drafted and held, or if you jumped back in early, you were taking a significant chance, as this type of early price action is totally consistent with the pre-announced formula change.

Don't use the "real" stock market as a good analogy. In a real stock market, you would NEVER be able to buy cheap in advance of a start, and then sell at the highs immediately after a start. A starter's true value is highest just before a start, and lowest immediately after a start. So if this formula was to mimic a real market, a Randro type of strategy would be a systematic loser (since selling after a start would entail selling at the lows). A true market price is based on looking AHEAD, not looking BACK.

If there is a problem with the TSN price algorithm, it is primarily because pre-season buys are not included in the calculation. That is Randy's principal problem. The 5-day lag just exaggerates it more than the one-day approach. But if draft buys were factored into the pricing formula, his price would behave more intuitively. And once he's bought again, his price should stabilize again... just at a lower level.
 
49Kevin
      ID: 331112111
      Thu, Apr 04, 2002, 13:49 		Eric, I believe people who did their homework DO understand the price formula. People are just NOT adapting to the NEW price movement for pitchers. That being said; to understand the price movement for the first week some stat work had to be performed. Maybe it's my C.S. degree with years of algorithm experience; but the price model is quite easy to follow once your studied it. Also, most people playing the game probably did not have the experience to do just a thing. Therefore, in hindsight; you might want to re-evaluate how to update pitcher prices in the first five days of trading. Right now, pitchers who pitched on opening day all WILL loose money for the first week of the season unless huge buys come in. While MOST "big name" pitchers who pitched game 2 or later will experience price increases. This is probably not easily determined by the average player and maybe this was intentional for the more advanced players to gain $$ while the masses were trying to figure out the game.

2nd. With respect to Guru netscape claim, you also might want to look into your design of your webpage. I noticed you use .js. I'm a UNIX guy and I know many people love Microsoft BUT Microsoft does not create many things that ACTUALLY abide by standards. Therefore, when viewing pages using Netscape (which as stated by Guru) which inforces html, java, javascript standards your pages do not display correctly. Your .js causes Netscape to "believe" that it experienced a TIMEOUT from your server when in actuallity the .js doesn't abide to the "standard" javascript and Netscape does not process the code correctly which inturn causes errors. So I am forced (VERY UNWANTINGLY) to use IE most of the time.
 
50James K Polk
      ID: 4455731
      Thu, Apr 04, 2002, 13:54 		Erik B.--

Here's a card for the suggestion box:

For people who win some of the smaller cash prizes, like the $50 for winning a division, or the $50 for being top 10 in the Belly division in hoops, etc., it would be nice if there were an option to go ahead and apply that $50 as a credit to your TSN account, to be used on future games. No sense incurring the costs of cutting a check, then a player having to turn those funds around and send them back your way. I suspect a lot of hard-core players would probably take advantage of this.
 
51walk
      Leader
      ID: 14154112
      Thu, Apr 04, 2002, 13:55 		Getting me for my stock market analogy on two threads, eh Guru? Okay, you know where I was going with that, mr. literal.

Ultimately, the markets are irrational, as are the smallworld markets, but this 5-day thing, thus far, is paradoxical. I totally recognize we need to see it play out, and that changing rules after the start of the season is not advisable.

Still, my analogy is based perhaps on my own intuitive take on things and may not be appropriate, and I'll take your word that things will sort themselves out soon enough.

thx.
- walk
 
52Ender
      ID: 52438315
      Thu, Apr 04, 2002, 13:57 		Nice idea, JKP.
 
53Willix
      Sustainer
      ID: 50650614
      Thu, Apr 04, 2002, 14:10 		I have noticed a few items while surfing through the Ultimate baseball game:

1. When viewing a division competitor's team, the "Last" column is actually YTD total for the players.

2. Under the players "Last 5 Games" info, does "H" stand for hits or singles. For example, David Ortiz has 1 under the "H" column for 4/1. He had 3 hits, with one being a single. You should differentiate between hits and singles. I would like to see total number of hits instead of adding across. Maybe others feel differently.

I know there were a few others, but I can't remember them right now. I will let you know Erik when I find them. Thanks for the opportuntity to give feedback.
 
54walk
      Leader
      ID: 14154112
      Thu, Apr 04, 2002, 14:13 		Right, Ender. TSN ought to pay The President a marketing fee for that coupe of an idea. Good one, sir.

- walk
 
55rockafellerskank
      Sustainer
      ID: 2831449
      Thu, Apr 04, 2002, 15:48 		Erik, Is it possible to program a real time clock on each page that counts down the hours/minutes to roster freeze? If so this would be very handy (IE 1:23:45 until roster freeze 4/15/02) and will help with the need to "think" in EST for those not located in EST. Especially helpful I would think to those owners in Europe and elsewhere. I don't know enough about programming to know if this is difficult or not. rfs ®
 
56Mr. Nice Guy
      ID: 421124113
      Thu, Apr 04, 2002, 15:50 		go back to last year's format.
 
57KrazyKoalaBears
      Donor
      ID: 266182910
      Thu, Apr 04, 2002, 15:53 		Along the lines of what rfs mentioned in #55, you could just put an ET Time on the page somewhere (doesn't really need to be realtime, IMO) like I do for the Gleem Games. It just says: "Thu, Apr-04 3:55pm" so that people know what the server says the time is, instead of what their computer says the time is. Good suggestion rfs!
 
58Erik B.
      ID: 239592612
      Thu, Apr 04, 2002, 16:26 		1) We will NOT go back to last year's format. We laid out the rules, people knew the rules, and we will try our best to stick to them.

2) I second the notion that prices are a little funky because we haven't passed the first five day cycle.

2a) Give it a few cycles before you cast your final judgment.

3) I second Guru's comment -- to pretend that this is a free market is naive. Last year, the buying cycles were so obvious that it made for a very boring strategy in parts.

4) I like all the suggestions raised, particularly those made by Willix.

-ESB
 
59Jello Biafra
      ID: 12392015
      Thu, Apr 04, 2002, 16:29 		Erik - please take a look at the price movers thread from today. I had a lot to say (probably too much) about the pitcher pricing, esp. in regard to Randy. Why didn't you guys have a price freeze until you had 5 days of data? Or, absent of that, did you consider using preseason buys, or rather opening day rosters, as a factor in the pricing equation? I think you should consider it in the future.
 
60Twarpy
      Leader
      ID: 342471915
      Thu, Apr 04, 2002, 16:32 		One quick thing Erik...yesterdays best is really Wednesday's Best atm.
 
61 Stuck in the Sixties
      Leader
      ID: 36355417
      Thu, Apr 04, 2002, 18:12 		Erik:
I don't remember when I signed up for TSN (as opposed to smallworld). But I haven't been getting the EMail reports so I have to assume my email address has changed since my signup.
Please change it to the one above.

Thanks
 
62slosh23
      ID: 38610823
      Fri, Apr 05, 2002, 03:02 		Erik, any comments about the red cross of doom or the blue cross of screwing your roster value? Are they going to make an appearance this year?
 
63beebop
      ID: 471056717
      Fri, Apr 05, 2002, 03:49 		Stuck in the sixties, im not sure if you have or havent, but there is an option on the left hand side of the screen which says "daily email report" and there is a box on that page that you have to tick and click submit....
 
64 Taxman
      Leader
      ID: 537543118
      Fri, Apr 05, 2002, 03:52 		Guru. You are not alone.

I too use Netscape, also for added protection from those rascally virus. Have not opted for the ULTIMATE e-mail option, but will do so.
 
65mr g
      ID: 15311150
      Fri, Apr 05, 2002, 07:50 		look erick b i'm srry i did find out a little more and for some reason or an other, i did miss the 75 trade buy trade rule,
 
66Ender
      ID: 13443221
      Fri, Apr 05, 2002, 07:50 		slosh, post 35 says no BCOD.
 
67Baron
      ID: 20221614
      Fri, Apr 05, 2002, 08:10 		I may have spoke to soon when I compimented the daily emails in post 3. I didn't recieve them unitil 11 yesterday and haven't recieved them yet today either. If their not going to be in my inbox when I wake up then what is the point of having them?
 
68Kevin
      ID: 331112111
      Fri, Apr 05, 2002, 08:51 		Eric, D. Ortiz did not get credit for his SB last night 4-4-02. His line is below.

04/04 @ TOR 4 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 -3
 
69Micheal
      ID: 2325423
      Fri, Apr 05, 2002, 08:55 		"G" is definately not for Grammar.
 
70KrazyKoalaBears
      Donor
      ID: 266182910
      Fri, Apr 05, 2002, 09:07 		Erik B, players who have a 1.000 BAVG are still having their "BA" show up as "#####" in the Buy/Sell Player search results. Guys like Mark DeRossa, who has all of 1 AB so far, could stay this way for a while.
 
71 scoobies
      ID: 4460313
      Fri, Apr 05, 2002, 09:10 		I'm not sure if this has been mentioned before but the player stat pages are currently showing "2001 Season Stats" instead of 2002.
 
72beebop
      ID: 471056717
      Fri, Apr 05, 2002, 09:25 		About David Ortiz, his SB showed up in yahoo....but it didnt show up on cbs, as far as i could see anyway....
 
73Guru
      ID: 462532812
      Fri, Apr 05, 2002, 10:39 		According to the play-by-play at both ESPN and CBS, David Ortiz did steal 2nd in the 9th inning. It is possible, however, that this scoring was changed to defensive indifference after the game ended. CBS does not show it in the boxscore, but ESPN does. So it is tough to say which is correct.

Earlier in the week, Corey Patterson was credited with a SB by TSN, but he actually went to second on a wild pitch. So if you owned Patterson for his 51 TSNP game, you actually received 61 TSNP. I'll bet TSN's stat source will eventually get that corrected, but TSN has never backtracked to correct scoring errors unless they are really huge. For example, I remember once when a hit was retroactively changed to an error, resulting in David Wells having about 8 earned runs changed into unearned runs. I believe TSN (then Small World) made that change.

Hopefully, the smaller scoring errors will even out over the long haul.
 
74ChicagoTRS
      Sustainer
      ID: 19325417
      Fri, Apr 05, 2002, 10:49 		Suggestion for improvement: Is there any plan to list WWR leaders in your magazine this year? You definitely need more symmetry between your magazine and the fantasy games. You would think you guys would merit a full page of the magazine to either advertise your games, list some WWR leaders, or have some small strategy articles for your games. Seems like an obvious way to get even more interest in your games and take advantage of the fact that you have a widely read magazine in house.
 
75Guru
      ID: 462532812
      Fri, Apr 05, 2002, 11:21 		Just to clean up the D. Ortiz SB issue, I see that the ESPN game log now lists him with no SB, even though their boxscore still lists it. Thus, all signs point to a post-game scoring change, and the SB was evidently changed - probably to defensive indifference, since it was in the 9th inning of a lopsided game.

I also see that ESPN now credits C. Patterson with a SB in his 4/3 game, even though the boxscore doesn't list it, and the play-by-play says he went to 2nd on a wild pitch. Sounds like that may have been a post-game scoring change as well. Perhaps the scorer decided that he would have stolen the base even if the pitch didn't get away.

In both cases, it sounds like TSN probably has the correct stats.
 
77Kevin
      ID: 331112111
      Fri, Apr 05, 2002, 11:59 		Guru, thanks for the research.
 
78Erik B.
      ID: 239592612
      Fri, Apr 05, 2002, 12:36 		Gang:

Thanks for all the minor fixes. They are good ones.

ChicagoTRS:

I love your idea, and I'll see what we can do to make it happen.

-ESB
 
79Slackjawed Yokel
      Sustainer
      ID: 668290
      Fri, Apr 05, 2002, 12:48 		I've always thought (particularly for hoops, but the other games as well), that it'd be useful to have a 'Your Team's Upcoming Schedule' link. This would be similar to the next game column on the 'Your Team' page but could go out an entire week, thereby providing an easy look at each player's upcoming opponents and off-days.

 
80Guru
      ID: 462532812
      Fri, Apr 05, 2002, 13:44 		Slackjaw - you could always use the Assimilator, which already has that feature.
 
81 albo
      ID: 541025107
      Sat, Apr 06, 2002, 04:32 		I have one complaint.
Why is there no link for "The RotoGuru Forum" on my baseball teams page?
I must navigate to my basketball teams page to visit "The RotoGuru Forum" and then use the dropdown menu to switch to baseball.
Am I missing something???
 
82Ardsley Yankees
      ID: 312422717
      Sat, Apr 06, 2002, 06:55 		Please include today's Yankees game on the "Probable Starters" list of games so that El Duquee can have a chance to make a few bucks. I suspect a lot of pitcher buys are made directly from that site. No game listed, no El Duquee buys! Come on TSN, the man's had it rough enough!
 
83Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Sat, Apr 06, 2002, 10:15 		albo - The RotoGuru link is not on the baseball page at my request. I was concerned about the diminishing quality of posts at the forum (Hoops in particular), and decided that I did not want an influx of new users at this point of the season. Perhaps later, when I've been able to upgrade my forum security somewhat, and when the casual dropouts have casually dropped out already.

Why don't you just bookmark this forum (or add it to your list of favorites)? Pretty silly to go through such a circuitous route to get here.
 
84rockafellerskank
      Sustainer
      ID: 4635759
      Sat, Apr 06, 2002, 10:23 		Erik: What is the delivery schedule for the My Team E-mails? 2 days ago, mine arrived after roster freeze. Yesterday, mine didn't arrive at all. In order for this service to be useful, the e-mails need to get here. Can they be executed when TSN updates their nightly stats?

rfs ®
 
85Ref
      ID: 121135289
      Sat, Apr 06, 2002, 10:37 		Re: 58,

Erik, I don't think anyone's suggesting you change any part of your pricing THIS year. I don't like the 5-day thing as I said, but I have to adapt. We all will. The worst thing you can do is change horses in midstream!!! There should be NO DAMPENING, Strenthening or anything. This is the way it is should be left. If you're going to change anything vital to game play like price changes--it should occur next year.

You asked for feedback and people are giving it to you. We really enjoy your game and hence we are passionate about it. Some of the comments are coming from people that have played SW since it's inception or close to it and you are very smart to start a thread for feedback. I for one am really impressed at your level-headed approach to things and giving the weight to your largest single group of customers. Your energy and ability to get things fixed quickly at times is very refreshing and I salute you.
 
86Go Easy
      ID: 13271323
      Sat, Apr 06, 2002, 15:27 		How about a link that gives live scoring. Not the scores of the games but tallies your TSN points as the games are being played. I know it could not be real time but close and scores of course would not be official until later. cbsportsline does it during fantasy football and it works real nice.
 
87KrazyKoalaBears
      Donor
      ID: 266182910
      Sat, Apr 06, 2002, 15:41 		Go Easy, this is still in Beta (a few minor bugs to tweak) for about the next week, but you can still bookmark it: Gleem.net TSNP Calculator. It's also about as live as you can get and comes directly from STATS, Inc., who provides the stats to TSN.
 
88Go Easy
      ID: 13271323
      Sat, Apr 06, 2002, 15:43 		KKB thanks didn't know it was out there. Have seen a thread on that before but never opened it. Didn't think I would care.
 
89Jesse
      ID: 591162423
      Sat, Apr 06, 2002, 15:43 		Here's your TSNP calculator in real time
 
90Jesse
      ID: 591162423
      Sat, Apr 06, 2002, 15:44 		sorry KKB beat me to it.

jp
 
92 Whistleblower
      ID: 421121921
      Sat, Apr 06, 2002, 19:32 		Erik,

Check out the "How Many Trade Can a Person Buy" thread by Avengers. Someone in the free game already has 100 trades. The rules state that you can only buy 75 trades, and we have only been given 4 trades. Where did the extra 21 trades come from? This is only one team. How many others have been allowed to purchase more than 75 trades?
 
93RecycledSpinalFluid
      ID: 1924582
      Sat, Apr 06, 2002, 23:22 		Erik B., seeing the SW is owned by TSN (or some effects of that), how about if the Sportingnews.com Scoreboard can incorporate TSNPs in the boxscores. Excellent extention of your cross-branding opportunity. Increased interest/functionality in the Sportingnews.com site. Win-win, if you ask me.
 
94KrazyKoalaBears
      Donor
      ID: 266182910
      Sat, Apr 06, 2002, 23:24 		RSF, but that makes my TSNP Calculator useless and means I wouldn't have to spend all those hours trying to make it each season.

Yeah, what RSF said! ;)

 
95RecycledSpinalFluid
      ID: 1924582
      Sat, Apr 06, 2002, 23:33 		I was just loving the fact that I am in no hurry to make/release the SWPs spreadsheet cause you had already busted your hump getting yours out. THANKS!
 
96KrazyKoalaBears
      Donor
      ID: 266182910
      Sat, Apr 06, 2002, 23:34 		LOL! Yeah, that's what happens when I get bored or want to see my own TSNP. ;)
 
97¤ Mario LeMoose ¤
      ID: 18355711
      Sun, Apr 07, 2002, 11:55 		Daily roster freeze occurs at noon ET.

The Yankees at Red Sox game on Monday, April 15, starts at 11:05 a.m. ET. (Boston's annual Patriots Day game is scheduled for 11:05 a.m. every year.)

Not that anyone would be tempted to cheat, but....
 
99blade
      ID: 1631712
      Sun, Apr 07, 2002, 12:22 		this new pitching price format is absolutely absurd. for a pitcher to go down in price on the day he pitches is asinine. there is no strategy to be learned from this. what are you supposed to do put players on your team who aren't going to play so you can gain money? when that guy actually plays you will lose all you gained. who was drinking the night they thought this one up...geesh.
 
100Boiler Special
      ID: 1851179
      Sun, Apr 07, 2002, 12:25 		I'm stuck with a free-falling Schilling until Tuesday now... 0 trades left and I'm assuming the bleeding won't stop until then. But who knows with the way it's going so far?
 
101KYCAT
      ID: 41317712
      Sun, Apr 07, 2002, 12:47 		I would love to see a site that was more wireless friendly...Or a site where I could atleast access the pricemovers.

On another note...This year I bought 3 baseball teams a day late...and 2 of them were put into the same "random" TSN division. I know that those divisions probably just take the next 20 teams to register...but I ofcourse wanted the chance to win 2 different divisions. And being a day late...I couldn't change divisions. Perhaps something could be done in the future, but ultimately....
Note to self...don't be a day late. ;)
 
102 JC REB
      Sustainer
      ID: 5212816
      Sun, Apr 07, 2002, 13:05 		I gotta question if the 5 day average is really working correctly. Schillings four days averages, before today, were 4/6, +20, 4/5 , 0. 4/4, -10, and 4/3, + 10. It would seem that for the average to turn positive on 4/6, there would have been sufficient buying on 4/6 and 4/5. to overcome the selling that occured on 4/3 and 4/4, that brought the average down from the +110 gain on 4/2. For the average now to be -90 on 4/7, means there had to be heavy selling before todays roster freeze, which doesn't make any sense at all, since he is pitching today. Am I missing something here ?
 
103loki
      Sustainer
      ID: 12253422
      Sun, Apr 07, 2002, 13:10 		jc reb- see my post. perhaps the answer will be there.
 
104 JC REB
      Sustainer
      ID: 5212816
      Sun, Apr 07, 2002, 14:41 		Loki, thanks, have now read that thread, frankly, I still think the 5 day average may not be working as intended. I would like to see TSN reply to this point, with specific data to back up the Schilling -90 price drop.
 
105Erik B.
      ID: 239592612
      Mon, Apr 08, 2002, 12:10 		Gang:

Duly noted on all the points about pitcher pricing. I think you'll see things stabilize now that the first five-day cycle has passed.

RFS: I like the idea of putting TSNPs in our scoreboard, and other places. The problem is that we want to avoid confusing our non-fantasy users. This has been an internal debate that we've had for quite some time, and rest assured, I stand on your side on this one.

-ESB
 
106KrazyKoalaBears
      Donor
      ID: 266182910
      Mon, Apr 08, 2002, 12:14 		Erik B., tell them to provide it as a link at the bottom of the each scoreboard. For instance, right now on the Scoreboard page you have "Box Score | Recap". You could add another line below that saying "TSN Fantasy Games Points" or something to that effect that's clear and doesn't confuse. Further, on the TSNP page, just put a brief description at the top.

I think the internal guys on the other side of the argument just don't want to do all the work. ;)

 
107Guru
      ID: 462532812
      Mon, Apr 08, 2002, 12:49 		Whistleblower[92] - Is there a rule that says only 75 extra trades can be bought? I can't find it. Maybe I'm not looking in the right place?

blade[99] - it would appear that a lot of managers disagree with your assessment. I certainly do.

Boiler[100] - may I suggest a good book?
 
108KrazyKoalaBears
      Donor
      ID: 266182910
      Mon, Apr 08, 2002, 12:57 		Guru, go to the Free Game "Learn to Play" link and do a "Find" for "75". It's the first hit.

"Buying Trades. This year, for your convenience, we're giving you the option to purchase extra trades to be used when you need them. There is a limit of 75 trades that you can buy over the course of the season (which runs until the 2002 All-Star Break)."

 
109Guru
      ID: 462532812
      Mon, Apr 08, 2002, 13:00 		Too easy. I went to the section on buying trades, and there was no mention of a limit.

Silly me.
 
110Guru
      ID: 462532812
      Mon, Apr 08, 2002, 13:01 		...the linked section, that is.
 
111KrazyKoalaBears
      Donor
      ID: 266182910
      Mon, Apr 08, 2002, 13:01 		Guru, I did the same thing multiple times, then said to myself, "Hey dummy, what are you looking for?" That seems to have worked. ;)
 
112KrazyKoalaBears
      Donor
      ID: 266182910
      Mon, Apr 08, 2002, 22:23 		Erik B., are there any plans for TSN to work on the server issues (upgrades?) that cause pages to hang for long amounts of time while loading? I'm on a cable modem and TSN's site is one of the worst sites I visit with regards to experiencing pages that hang while loading.
 
113Chestergreat
      ID: 58224208
      Mon, Apr 08, 2002, 23:14 		RE: 5 Day Pricing. Although some of the expert players at this Forum have figured out the 5 day pricing scheme (maybe), most of TSN's Ultimate baseball managers will still be confused by it throughout the season.

To help the average player, when TSN posts the daily Price changes, could you also show what a players Price change would have been if only the previous 4 days were used in the calculation. Then we could use this as a base change . . .and only have to predict what the next days trading will be to arrive at a projected 5 day Price Change the following day.

This info could be shown on a Players 'Price History' page.
 
114biliruben
      Sustainer
      ID: 3502218
      Mon, Apr 08, 2002, 23:19 		Chester - I think the hope was to deter rotating pitchers with money gains as the primary motivation. They would like for money gains to be based on a more long-term idea that the pitcher will continue to pitch well, and attract buyer interest.

Providing the information you are requesting would be conterproductive to that goal, I think.
 
115Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Mon, Apr 08, 2002, 23:24 		Erik - I echo KKB's sentiment in [112]. Lately, the ability of the TSN server to get a page fully out before hanging is rare indeed. I've gotten accustomed to frequently hitting the stop button just to see if enough has loaded to do what I need to do.

This was a problem for awhile last year, but seemed to get better in the fall and winter. However, the last few weeks have been very bad.
 
116biliruben
      Sustainer
      ID: 3502218
      Mon, Apr 08, 2002, 23:48 		They may be trying to just get through hoops and/or ice-boxing without having to buy another server. Then they can just switch 'em over.
 
117RockChalker
      ID: 410431923
      Tue, Apr 09, 2002, 02:36 		Apologies if this idea isnt fresh, and Im not sure about the feasability of this but........

Would it be possible to have a transaction page showing the trades your division mates made from freeze period to freeze period. Im not saying to add on each day and create a huge thing, just a breif Team 1 traded X for Y and X for Y, Team 2 traded....

With the division prize I actually have some interest in the division this year and just think it would be a nice addition.
 
118azdbacker
      Donor
      ID: 1832261
      Tue, Apr 09, 2002, 03:01 		Erik, I absolutely love this season's game, especially the new pitcher price changes. I think this will add an element of skill that has previously been lacking in this game, namely picking pitchers who are underpriced and having long-term gameplans as opposed to mindlessly RanDro-ing or Randling. Props to you guys for taking the necessary steps to ensure that those who are most adept at finding the underpriced pitcher have some success.

My only negative would be the fact that I, as a resident of Arizona, cannot win a prize. Looking at my division, I see just 2 other teams that have a chance to compete with me, as I'm sure is the case with many Gurupies in random leagues. I don't mind not being able to receive the money, I understand that is a legal decision. However, I think any winner that can't receive a prize should be granted that money for use in future TSN games. The opportunity to win my division and receive 3 free teams next year would be reward enough. I don't see any reason why you can't do this.

Again, props on the game and on your willingness to be held accountable for the quality of it. I hope it continues.
 
119Erik B.
      ID: 239592612
      Tue, Apr 09, 2002, 14:24
# 117 RockChalker: Awesome, awesome idea. So cool. We'll do this for football.

AzBacker: Sorry! (Really.) We tried to get around this a dozen time. It's our legal policy, and we can't change it.

Server guys: I'm suspecting this is a brower-interface issue. Our server load isn't bad. I've had pages hang on occasion, but it doesn't relate to bandwidth. Definitely need to look into this for football.

-ESB
 
120kentucky indians
      ID: 361143910
      Thu, Apr 11, 2002, 18:50 		Guys at TSN....
I want to echo Azdbacker's compliments. I was looking around at all the new information links you have at the site. It is well worth the $19.95 for the full-season of fun I have. Besides, winning the division and I will end up playing free!!!!! Excellent work.
 
121CanEHdian Pride
      Donor
      ID: 426351415
      Mon, Apr 15, 2002, 23:33 		Just wondering if you could replace "division rank" with "Franchise Value". It is annoying to have to always add RV and residual cash when trying to find out how much money you, or your opponents, have.
 
122Puckprophet
      ID: 43161213
      Mon, Apr 15, 2002, 23:47 		Word C P, ...
 
123Puckprophet
      ID: 43161213
      Tue, Apr 16, 2002, 00:38 		why don't ya put the price history on the players page??? click click,click..click
 
124Erik B.
      ID: 239592612
      Tue, Apr 16, 2002, 11:52 		CP:

Love the idea. We'll add it soon for the math impaired.

-ESB
 
125CanEHdian Pride
      Donor
      ID: 426351415
      Tue, Apr 16, 2002, 12:31 		Thanks Erik...it'd be much obliged on account of I never been to good at figurin'
 
126JeffG
      Sustainer
      ID: 40451227
      Thu, Apr 25, 2002, 13:24 		Erik -

I think the trade-a-player methodology should be improved. Some people can get caught with inactive rosters if there is down time between the sell and the buy. It should be treated as one transaction with one timestamp.

Instead of selling a player, then buying one, the user should initiate this by selecting a player to buy. If it is a position player where we only own one slot, the system should infer who we want to sell and give a confirmation screen or button. If it is an outfielder or pitcher, the system should ask to select one of the relevant players to sell, then ask to confirm.

However, if you still want to give people the option to sell, and not buy, as some do during the all star break, then you can have that optioned programmed in the above methodology.
 
127Eustacio
      ID: 420291519
      Thu, Apr 25, 2002, 13:38 		Ditto Jeff's idea. It makes more sense and all those issues of invalid rosters go away.
 
128Erik B.
      ID: 239592612
      Thu, Apr 25, 2002, 13:40 		Guys:

We're in discussion on such a system for football.

-ESB
 
129Ender
      ID: 52438315
      Thu, Apr 25, 2002, 14:08 		There are times in some games where a manager might want to have an open slot with the market nature of the game. This happens in hoops at Christmas and at ASB time in hoops and baseball (hockey?). You should leave the option to buy no one open. That doesn't mean you shouldn't do what JeffG is proposing, simply keep it possiblt to buy no one.
 
130j o s h
      ID: 303162513
      Thu, Apr 25, 2002, 15:08 		It's raining in Philly, anyone know what the outlook is?
 
131KrazyKoalaBears
      Donor
      ID: 266182910
      Thu, Apr 25, 2002, 19:38 		Erik B, anyway you can check into that server issue again? Things have been quite horrible lately when trying to access the TSN site. I just sold a player and the "sold" page hadn't come up yet. I managed to do the dishes (seriously!), respond to another post, do some player research, and a few other things and the page still hadn't loaded yet. I find that I usually have to refresh any page I visit approximately 3-5 times before it finally fully loads. As a matter of fact, I just had to do that very thing to get the "name_search.html" page to come up. I'm not just having this problem with the baseball pages either. I also have this problem with the main account page, so it appears to be a problem with the fantasygames.sportingnews.com site. Further, I don't have this problem with the regular TSN site, so again, it appears to be a problem with the game site (servers?).

This is extremely frustrating and to be honest I expect a bit more from TSN. You all have done a great job responding to a lot of the feedback everyone has given, but this issue seems to have fallen by the wayside in spite of the large problem that this appears to be. I assure you that this is not a browser issue since I have tried on various different browsers, including the absolute most up-to-date versions of IE and Netscape, with the same results. I don't have this problem with any other site I visit so that further eliminates my browser/computer/connection from the equation.

I really think this issue needs to be addressed before football season begins. 4 more months of this is a bit much for TSN to ask us to endure, IMO.

 
132ChicagoTRS
      Sustainer
      ID: 58735170
      Sat, Apr 27, 2002, 20:33 		Erik, Suggestion for improvement...in the Ultimate game it would be nice to see more info on the your division page.

Additional statistics: Hitter/pitcher trades remaining. Franchise value or Roster value & Cash left. World Rank. Maybe the daily franchise value change. Would allow you to compare some important stats to the teams you are competing against in your division.

I think a feature like this could really add to the useability of the game. Should be simple enough to do. It is currently a pain in the ass having to look up each team individually in the division to find out the "health" of the franchise.

Maybe another way to distinguish the Ultimate game from the Basic game. Actually would be useful in all of your Ultimate games.
 
133Gangman
      Leader
      ID: 58238278
      Sat, Apr 27, 2002, 20:54 		I second what Chi TRS says.

Great suggestion.
 
134APerfect10
      ID: 3257215
      Sun, Apr 28, 2002, 02:33 		I'm curious as to why you cant view other managers financial history...
 
135Heather
      ID: 363291619
      Sun, Apr 28, 2002, 07:42 		I agree with the previous three posts. Also in the free game, it would be nice to see how many trades a team has used.
 
136ChicagoTRS
      Sustainer
      ID: 10350110
      Thu, May 02, 2002, 11:39 		BUTT

Erik..you there? any comment on #132
 
137Farn
      ID: 2310151714
      Thu, May 02, 2002, 11:42 		i would love see #135 implemented. At least then I know exactly what kind of an uphill battle I am fighting against trade buyers.
 
138walk
      Leader
      ID: 24318228
      Thu, May 02, 2002, 12:04 		IIRC, most of this information Chicago TRS, is available if you click on the individual team within your division. I guess your additional columns in that table would make things more streamlined (and there seems to be space to do so).

Of course, we also used to be able to see more stuff like pre-freeze rosters and trade history. I think it was wise to remove that information. I don't we want the game skewed so that a given manager's moves are motivated to block an opponent's progress (but that is philosophically debatable, I guess) as opposed to maximizing points and/or financial gains compared to the whole 12,000 league.

Food for thought

- walk
 
139ChicagoTRS
      Sustainer
      ID: 10350110
      Thu, May 02, 2002, 12:20 		Walk...agreed that all of the info I am requesting is available by looking at each team individually.


My quote from #132 "It is currently a pain in the ass having to look up each team individually in the division to find out the "health" of the franchise." and then have to document the stats from each team to compare etc...I realize I could make an excel macro to automatically gather the info etc...so I can compare on my own without to much difficulty but I am thinking about the general public playing this game and just the general useability I think it makes a lot of sense to display this info in the standings table in the game itself.

TSN should take advantage of the fact that generally people playing fantasy games are a little bit of statistics freaks anyway and a good way to enhance the playing experience for us players would be to provide us easier access to already available info.

I have some other suggestions on stats that TSN could provide that would make this game more interesting but I think I will hold off on those for awhile because I would like them to consider the above first.

If you are not actively trying to make your product better you are making a mistake. I do give TSN credit that they have made some nice improvements in the last year.

I do systems engineering for a living so I can't help but look at something and try to find ways to improve it ;-)

TSN...if you ever need a systems engineer for your games...with the way the economy is going I may be looking for a job in the next year or so =)
 
140TSN TechOps
      ID: 89433110
      Mon, May 06, 2002, 13:44 		KrazyKoalaBears (112,131),

Could you send us an email (tsntechops@sportingnews.com). Giving the time you're most frequently encountering the 'page hang' problem?

Thanks,

TSN TechOps
 
141Erik B.
      ID: 239592612
      Mon, May 06, 2002, 13:53 		Chicago TRS:

I really like your idea. I'll bring it up with a game producer today.

-ESB
 
142Great One
      ID: 92142016
      Mon, May 06, 2002, 14:04 		I would like to see divisional rankings on which team in the division has the most HRs or SBs or Wins or Saves to see how certain teams are doing what they do.

A few years back Smallworld had something like that.
 
143MyDodgers
      ID: 32161623
      Mon, May 06, 2002, 17:47 		I would like to suggest, once again, that there be a way to edit the Fantasy Games page so I do not have to scroll down to choose the team I want to visit. I would like to get rid of the Nascar area the Soccer, Golf and anything that is off-season. It would make for a much quicker entry to the game itself. Thanks

myd
 
144Rogue's Strikers
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      Tue, May 07, 2002, 14:14 		OT (Didn't want to start a thread for this) - Erik, I was reading up on your official rules and noticed a mention of play-by-mail players. Do you really have people making trades by mail? (Or phone?) And if so, are any of them competetive?

 
145Erik B.
      ID: 239592612
      Tue, May 07, 2002, 14:19 		Very, very few people play-by-mail.

-ESB
 
146John Budge
      Donor
      ID: 29141112
      Tue, May 07, 2002, 16:52 		Yeah, all that scrolling is really a pain in the ass. I lose two seconds every day scrolling down the page to find my teams. Can you imagine what I would do each day with those extra two seconds? hahahaha
 
147APerfect10
      Leader
      ID: 39143521
      Wed, May 22, 2002, 12:12 		Erik B, why does it take 15 minutes for the pricemovers page to update. The price changes are obviously calculated since they are available for viewing on your Financial Report page.

Could you incrase the priority of the price movers page and decrease the priority of the other pages to update? Thanks...