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Subject: Arizona Diamondbacks Discussion Thread


  Posted by: azdbacker - Donor [1832261] Sat, Apr 27, 2002, 01:01

I know there aren't nearly as many DBack fans on the board as there are Dodger or Yankee fans, but I thought the Defending World Champions deserved a thread as well. I'll see if I can hold up my end of the bargain...
 
1azdbacker
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      Sat, Apr 27, 2002, 01:03
Great idea, dbacker! You gotta love it, 15-8 with a one game lead over the Dodgers despite the rough start by any pitcher not named Johnson or Schilling. It sure was good to see Helling pitch well the other day. I wonder how Batista will do tomorrow.
 
2azdbacker
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      Sat, Apr 27, 2002, 01:05
He'll be fine. He showed how nails he was in the World Series. How about Damian Miller? He's now 1 point behind Michael Barrett as the top TSN producing catcher this year, and all that for a half-mil less. Can you believe all those people thought this young punk who's never done squat was going to out produce our Miller?
 
3rockafellerskank
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      Sat, Apr 27, 2002, 01:06
They certainly make for a heck of an OTO team!

I think there biggest worry all year is going to be the BP. If Prinz, Kim, Myers can't be relied on, Curt and randy are going to press to complete too many games/ too many innings. That will take it's toll sooner or later (likely later). They need the THM to win again. Period. Mantei back will certainly help. It would alose be nice to see BA or Batista solidfy the rotation.

rfs ®
 
4azdbacker
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      Sat, Apr 27, 2002, 01:08
You are so right, azd. Miller is sticking it to those Barrett holders right now. Hey, how about young Junior Spivey? I drafted him to start the season and he's the top producing 2B coming in to today's action. Plus he's gained over a million! What a stud, and now he's batting in the 3 hole! I know Soriano's awesome, but why would you pay 2 million more for the exact same production?
 
5azdbacker
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      Sat, Apr 27, 2002, 01:11
Well put AZdbacker. Hey, who let the Pirate fan in here?

;)

He raises a good point, though. But I love the way Kim has shaken off his World Series debacle. Just allowed his first run today but still got the save. Beats the heck out of Donnie Moore's solution...
 
6azdbacker
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      Sat, Apr 27, 2002, 01:12
Hey, adzbacker - you are so right on. Hey, did you draft Womack? I did, and there is no SS out there with more points that costs less than him. 2 more stolen bases today. If he keeps getting on like he is, I think this team could be ok. What do you think?
 
7azdbacker
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      Sat, Apr 27, 2002, 01:14
I agree. What about the defense Counsell is playing at 3rd? I told you we didn't need that anal bum Matt Williams. And now you have Womack, Counsell and Spivey batting ahead of Gonzo. They're running all over the place!

Did you know Junior Spivey has reached base all 7 times he's faced Greg Maddux? Is that nuts or what?
 
8azdbacker
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      Sat, Apr 27, 2002, 01:17
Of course I knew that, AZDbacker. How bout Gonzo, slow start but he's coming on strong. Wait until he starts hitting. Hopefully tonight's homer will really get him going. And he's such a nice man compared to that Bonds fellow, not to speak negatively of anyone. Did you know he has triplets? Isn't that neat? And how about the whole chewing gum fiasco?
 
9azdbacker
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      Sat, Apr 27, 2002, 01:17
azd, I bid 100 dollars for that wad of gum. Can't believe I lost...
 
10azdbacker
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      Sat, Apr 27, 2002, 01:18
Moron. Why spend 100 dollars on Gonzo's gum when you could get Steve Finley's jock for free?
 
11azdbacker
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      Sat, Apr 27, 2002, 01:20
You're one sick dude, dbacker, but you sure know your baseball. I bet you were right with me on drafting Vicente Padilla, the key component of the Curt Schilling trade. Now Schilling's awesome, but this deal could hurt us 9 or 10 years down the road when Curt starts to decline. I made over 2 million on this guy and got all his points! Of course, I'm sure dbacker did too.
 
13azdbacker
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      Sat, Apr 27, 2002, 01:23
Of course I did! And what's this blasphemy about Schilling losing it in 9 or 10 years. Heathen. That's like saying Randy won't be striking out 10 a game when he's 60... Have you ever seen a guy get better and better every year like this in his late 30s? Of course not. He's freaking 6-0! Outside of Orel Hershiser, this may be the best month a pitcher has ever had. Oh wait, Hershiser was a Dodger. Nevermind, this is definitely the best month a pitcher has ever had.

;)
 
14azdbacker
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      Sat, Apr 27, 2002, 01:25
Yeah, but aren't you worried about Gracie batting 200? If anyone needs a slump-buster right now, it's him. I bet you he's out on Van Buren picking up some skank right now. Hopefully it's not rockafellerskank...

;)
 
15azdbacker
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      Sat, Apr 27, 2002, 01:28
AZD, are you nuts? Are you forgetting Erubiel Durazo was tearing the cover off the ball before he got hurt. He's probably the best hitter on the team, and when he comes back in 2 weeks, Gracie's butt will be on the bench with "old Man" Jay Bell and grumpy old Matt WIlliams. Wait til we have Ruby batting behind Gonzo... Not that Bautista's not doing the job.
 
16azdbacker
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      Sat, Apr 27, 2002, 01:31
Bautista is more than doing the job, azdbacker. I drafted him and he's made me 640K. Every time people start to drop him, like today, he goes on a tear. He picked up right where he left off against the Yankees. Of course, not everyone they play this year will be as weak as the Yankees. Except for Greg Maddux. How the heck does that guy ever beat anyone?
 
17azdbacker
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      Sat, Apr 27, 2002, 01:34
Aren't you worried about the Dodgers, azd? I am such an astute, non-biased fan, that I picked up Odalis Perez 7 days ago. He looks like the next coming of Chan Ho Park (the Dodger Stadium version). Or Hideo Nomo even (the Dodger Stadium version). Or Pedro Astacio, he was ok in Dodger Stadium. What am I talking about? They would all get rocked if they had to pitch at BOB.

Except Perez maybe. I've always liked him.
 
18azdbacker
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      Sat, Apr 27, 2002, 01:36
Going back to that other guy that posted in this thread, dbacker, I agree that it would help if Brian Anderson could get his act together. I heard Curt Schilling on XTRA 910 saying that he was on a short leash, and next thing you know he's in the bully. Hey, it worked for that piece of crap Gagne (to quote Jim Rome).
 
19darkside
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      Sat, Apr 27, 2002, 01:37
Slump-buster...always made me laugh.
 
20Dan
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      Sat, Apr 27, 2002, 01:38
LMAO, why not the "azd discussion thread". Looks good azd, as always appreciate all your insight!
 
21darkside
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      Sat, Apr 27, 2002, 01:38
Oh-yeah, and you're nuts.

;)
 
22azdbacker
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      Sat, Apr 27, 2002, 01:47
It's amazing what a few beers will do.. Hey darkside, by your name I'm guessing you're either a Giants or Dodgers fan. Or maybe a Viking or Bears or Lions fan? Resist the darkness my man, and come to the light of the DBacks and Packers.

;P)
 
23azdbacker
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      Sat, Apr 27, 2002, 01:48
Hey Dbacker, how about Penny going against us tomorrow? That Mantei for Penny trade a couple years ago isn't looking so hot...
 
24azdbacker
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      Sat, Apr 27, 2002, 01:50
Bite your tongue, azd! Mantei helped us get to the playoffs in just our second year. Plus whenever I'm doing "Ice, Ice, Baby" at karaoke I just have to look at his picture to get in character...
 
25azdbacker
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      Sat, Apr 27, 2002, 01:52
Dbacker, I'm thinking about the 3HM. I've been holding 2 of the 3 between RJ, Schilling and Pedro and trading into one from one of the others. I think I have enough cash to get all 3 and bank pitcher trades for a month or so? What do you think?
 
26azdbacker
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      Sat, Apr 27, 2002, 01:55
Well, obviously Pedro is the weak link there. Are you sure he's worth it? I would just keep RJ and Schilling and Stottlemyre in the 3rd spot. It'll save you lots of money, and Stottlemyre isn't as prone to injury as Pedro.

Hey, did you know lefties are 0-17 against Mike Myers this year? Schwing! What a pickup.

 
27Dan
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      Sat, Apr 27, 2002, 02:01
Hey Dbacker how bout visiting the chatroom, we miss you in there. ;-)
 
28Tim G
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      Sat, Apr 27, 2002, 02:04
3HM, that sounds like a good idea. Martha will be along soon with your medication. Do you want some apple juice to wash that down? ...:)
 
29azdbacker
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      Sat, Apr 27, 2002, 02:05
Dan, will do. Not tonight though, I'm having a pretty good discussion with this other guy right here.

 
30azdbacker
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      Sat, Apr 27, 2002, 02:06
Hey, dbacker... who was it that cut Craig Counsell before we picked him up last year? I forget.
 
31azdbacker
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      Sat, Apr 27, 2002, 02:06
Why that was the Dodgers, I believe.
 
33azdbacker
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      Sat, Apr 27, 2002, 02:07
Wow, they really do suck.

;)

I think I owe Guru a donation for this thread.
 
34azdbacker
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      Sat, Apr 27, 2002, 02:11
Who's Martha? You see what happens, azd. You get a good discussion going and closet Dodger fans come in and start adding nonsensical statements. At least I have you to talk to. It's good to have a voice of reason around here.

Like that cancermoon guy. Can you believe he thinks he can dethrone "azdbacker's defending champions"? Now there's a nutcase.

;)
 
35azdbacker
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      Sat, Apr 27, 2002, 02:18
Holy crap, dbacker! I just looked at your team and it's up to WWR 12! You've never been in the top 50 until tonight in any TSN game, as far as I know. Did you know that 12 out of 11,787 is the top one-tenth of one percent in the World? Good job AZ!
 
36Dan
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      Sat, Apr 27, 2002, 02:19
I just hope you can remember the 12 WWR come tomorrow! :-P
 
37azdbacker
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      Sat, Apr 27, 2002, 02:21
Party pooper. I knew Dan was a Dodger fan.
 
38Dan
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      Sat, Apr 27, 2002, 02:22
I didn't even know I was a baseball fan!!!
 
39Tim G
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I'm not a dodger fan, I live in LA and get to watch them regularly, (Vin Scully is the bomb) but I don't like them at all. I don't even have a favorite team! Well I tried the Angels but , you know. All I have is this fantasy stuff.
 
40Dan
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      Sat, Apr 27, 2002, 02:26
Dan admit it you like baseball!!

Fine I admit it, I'm a Jays fan, there you have it! We will be champs once again, so watch out! :-P
 
41azdbacker
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      Sat, Apr 27, 2002, 02:31
Just kidding guys, I respect your opinions enough to know that neither of you could be Dodger fans.

And you Dodger fans that post in that thread know me enough to know that this whole thing is just in jest, for the most part.

;)
 
42azdbacker
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      Sat, Apr 27, 2002, 02:33
Good to see this is rubbing off on Dan.

Hey dbacker, you mentioned Spivey's 7-7 against Maddux yesterday. Your stuff is starting to get old. You need some new stats before you can hang with me as a Diamondbacks fan.
 
43azdbacker
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      Sat, Apr 27, 2002, 02:34
Don't start with me, azd. I know you're WWR 12 right now and all, but it's a long season. You barely have more trades than cancermoon does...
 
44azdbacker
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      Sat, Apr 27, 2002, 02:37
Damn, dbacker, how did it get so late? I've got to get to bed. I look forward to continuing this discussion tomorrow. It is rare to meet a fan as knowledgeable as you. We need to get together and go to a game some time.
 
45azdbacker
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      Sat, Apr 27, 2002, 02:40
I don't think so. My wife doesn't like the idea of meeting people from the internet. She only lets me go out with rockafellerskank. And that's just because they're both from Pitt.
 
46smallwhirled
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      Sat, Apr 27, 2002, 02:45
I drank 20 beers

I can't read gh post!
 
47azdbacker
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      Sat, Apr 27, 2002, 02:47
Can't wait to see Schilling vs Beckett on Sunday. I'm not sure if I'm going to pick up Schilling for that one or not. Could be a tough game.
 
48smallwhirled
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      Sat, Apr 27, 2002, 02:48
ggrrr

Gibbons


why sell?


grrrrr. I ;ike him!

grrr
 
49azdbacker
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      Sat, Apr 27, 2002, 02:50
Sounds like smallwhirled is messed up tonight. tsk, tsk. Take your drunkenness elsewhere, it's not welcome in my thread. Or azdbacker's either. We're all about sobriety.
 
50azdbacker
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      Sat, Apr 27, 2002, 02:52
Can we get a moderator? AZD and I are having a serious conversation, and this smallwhirled guy comes in and makes a mockery of the whole thing.

;)
 
51azdbacker
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      Sat, Apr 27, 2002, 02:54
Hey DBACKER, I see there's a Pirates thread started. Why don't you direct your wife and rockafellerskank over there?
 
52cancermoon
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      Sat, Apr 27, 2002, 03:08
damn azdbacker i am #16, hmmn but you used 3 pitchers today, i will pass you tomorrow i guess:-))
 
53Chris
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      Sat, Apr 27, 2002, 03:10
We're not even 1/6 of the way through the season...and we all know I will finish ahead of you both ;)
 
54Chris
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      Sat, Apr 27, 2002, 03:11
And BTW, props on Azd for being able to maintain a conversation with himself for a good hour and a half...that's impressive stuff.
 
55Dan
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      Sat, Apr 27, 2002, 03:11
an hour and a half! Blah, try doing it for days on end.... ;-)
 
56azdbacker
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      Sat, Apr 27, 2002, 03:11
lol @ Chris Ho Park.
 
57Chris
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      Sat, Apr 27, 2002, 03:13
Chris Perez now ;)
 
58cancermoon
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      Sat, Apr 27, 2002, 03:13
Azdbacker just remember i am a rookie and had no idea how to trade well, so if you are only 3 places in front of me now, i can only improve as i learn, wahahahaaaaa
 
59Catfish
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Where's that guy azdbacker when you need him? I guess he won't be up for a few more hours yet.

Hey is that you 15 TSNP ahead of my Taxfish NL team in the tag game? I already have Miller. Do you think I should buy more Diamondbacks?
 
60Mike D
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      Sat, Apr 27, 2002, 09:25
Great thread, reminiscent of some from the Hoops season........
 
61Puckprophet
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      Sat, Apr 27, 2002, 10:41
lol ... now there's some coffee induced psychosis....
 
62Razor
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      Sat, Apr 27, 2002, 13:48
Arizona is hitting over their heads right now. Junior Spivey isn't gonna get 85 doubles and Miller isn't gonna hit 40 HRs. Wait til that mean regression kicks in. Furthermore, I like how the Dodgers staff stacks up top to bottom vs. the D-backs. We have better lefties than the D-backs! Mwahahaha.
 
63azdbacker
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      Sat, Apr 27, 2002, 15:56
You mean wait til Steve Finley, Luis Gonzalez and Mark Grace start hitting? Or Durazo gets off the DL? That mean regression works both ways, Razor. Gagne is due for a little bit of that, don't you think?

Catfish, you always need more DBacks.

Seriously, I'm not sure if I would pick up Spivey or Bautista if I didn't have them. Sooner or later a slump will come and the masses will force a trade.
 
64Razor
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      Sat, Apr 27, 2002, 19:32
Sort of. Finley has been hitting, just not for average. And as Rob Neyer tells us over and over again, batting average is an overrated statistic. Besides, Finley is always a horrible starter. Gonzalez is hitting exactly like he's
"supposed" to, i.e. not 57 HR's. Without Durazo and Williams, I'd say the Arizona offense is pretty weak, which is why I am surprised they have had any sort of success so far.

Gagne is a fine pitcher but he's not going to have a 0.00 ERA all season but I'll enjoy it while it lasts.
 
65Razor
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      Sat, Apr 27, 2002, 19:42
Also, I believe Arizona is going to fall victim to the same thing that happened to LA two years ago - no production out of the last two rotation spots. Brown, Park and Dreifort were a good 1-2-3 that season but they only got like 16 wins out of their bottom 2 that season. Not only does it cost you wins, tt taxes the bullpen. Helling will give you innings, but of what quality? Stottlemyre MIGHT give you some good innings, but how many? I think a lot of Arizona's success depends on Batista. I think he's got better potential to be good than Helling and Stottlemyre. If he can perform, Arizona will stay competitive.
 
66Jeddi
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      Sat, Apr 27, 2002, 21:27
when your front two are Johnson and Schilling...it doesn't totally matter who your 4 and 5 guys are as long as they are alive and breathing. Yes, it's nice to have good starters there, but comparing the Dodgers front three to the Diamonbacks top two is crazy. Schill and Randy are the best two(Pedro when hurt is third) pitchers in the game and almost a guaranteed win.

Park, Brown and Dreifort were never as dominating
 
67Steve Biz
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      Sun, Apr 28, 2002, 01:01
There were weeks when Park and Brown were pretty damn dominating- but certainly with no where near the consistency as Randy/Curt. Azdbacker- you have a problem.
 
68Razor
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      Sun, Apr 28, 2002, 11:58
First of all, Schilling can only be considered the 2nd best in the game when both Pedro and Brown are hurt. When healthy, Brown is clearly the better pitcher.

Anyway, if your back two are as bad as Randy and Schilling are good, what good is it having Randy and Curt? Also, if one of the big 2 gets hurt, it's over. Unit hasn't been hurt in years but Schilling has had periods of injury throughout his career. In fact, if he throws 200 innings this year, it'd the first time he's thrown 200 innings in 3 straight seasons. Anyway, it only takes a slippery mound to get a pitcher hurt....that's what happened to big Brown. Turned one of the game's most durable pitchers into a DL-case.
 
69Mattinglyinthehall
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      Sun, Apr 28, 2002, 12:08
Schilling pitched 256.2 innings in 2001

 
70Flying Polack
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      Sun, Apr 28, 2002, 12:11
Without injuries Mark "the bird" Fidrych would have been the best pitcher since Cy Young.

Seriously, why do people even bother making statements like that. It's a statement that nobody can argue. If Brown would've been healthy last year it's doubtful he would've been better than Schilling, but we will never know.

There is no way you can say in the 2002 that Kevin Brown is "clearly" a better pitcher than Curt Schilling. In previous years you could make that statement. But let's face it in 2001 Schilling stepped up his game to another level.

Injuries or no injuries Schilling is the better pitcher this year.

PS- This is coming from a pathetic Tiger fan. I could care less about the D-backs and Dodger rivalry. The first statement in Post 68 really irked me.
 
71Dan
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      Sun, Apr 28, 2002, 12:12
Schilling is to get shelled today...
 
72Jeddi
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      Sun, Apr 28, 2002, 12:57
Derek Lee owns Schilling, so it wouldn't be a surprise for him to go crazy...
 
73Mr. Nice Guy
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      Sun, Apr 28, 2002, 13:52
good through 2 innings so far, you may still be right... BUT I HOPE YOU'RE NOT! LOL :-)
 
74azdbacker
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      Sun, Apr 28, 2002, 18:13
Schilling with a so-so game today, just 101 TSNP. That's almost like getting negative for your average pitcher.

;)
 
75Jeddi
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      Sun, Apr 28, 2002, 18:39
Yep, life is tough having both Schilling and Randy locked on the roster.
 
76azdbacker
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      Mon, Apr 29, 2002, 01:07
Gotta love Bautista so far. Every time he drops 10 or 20 K he responds with a few hot games.

Miller should see some good price moves this week as he is breaking away from Barrett atop the catcher leader board and is cheaper. Not to mention better.

Now it's time to worry about Spivey, he's up over a million. He got the day off today (K'd in a PH role) and is off tomorrow. Needs a good game before Thursday's trade refresh. There's no real good reason to drop him right now, but if he goes Tuesday and Wednesday without a good game he will see some losses.
 
77cancermoon
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      Mon, Apr 29, 2002, 01:15
naaa there is no good value for money replacement for Spivey, unless people want to really upgrade. I think miller is hitting well above his ability, he is a bum and he is hot right now, Barrett is a talented hitter, so he probably will stay good all season. I hold Miller right now by the way , so I am being totally objective.
 
78azdbacker
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      Mon, Apr 29, 2002, 02:26
No you're not. Barrett has never had as good a season as Miller has the last two. Miller has improved every season, Barrett has not. I watch Miller hit everyday, you don't. Barrett to Miller will be about a 300-500K price swing this week unless Barrett has a big game. Miller plays on a more regular basis as well. He should start about 10 more games than Barrett assuming they both stay healthy.

Is Miller hot right now? Yes. Is he playing above his ability? Probably. Has he proven himself to be a reliable player over time? Without a doubt. You can only say yes to the first to questions about Barrett. He hasn't proven jack. And neither have you, btw, cancermoon.

;)
 
79Chris
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      Mon, Apr 29, 2002, 04:05
Barrett is 25, Miller is 32.

The difference is that Miller is an "established" veteran, while Barrett is a blossoming youngster.

Miller has not improved every season, azd. His last 4 seasons have been almost identical, with the only thing that has changed being his playing time.

I'm not saying Barrett will definitely be better than Miller this year, but the reasons you list are invalid.

Miller has proven himself to be a "reliable player". If reliable means menas .330 OBP and .440 SLG every season, then you are absolutely right. It also means I don't think he'll be a good person to have on my team this year for the long haul if that's all he can produce. While it happens from time to time, it's rare for a 32 year old to make great strides at the plate. If he does(I'm not ruling it out), that's great, but it's not because he's "reliable".

Barrett on the other hand, had a rookie season(at 22) on par with any season Miller has ever had at any point in his career. If memory serves, over the next 2 years he A) struggled with injuries and B) switched from 3B to C(not an easy transition, C is a very demanding position). Obviously he has overachieved thus far, and it's a bit naive to think that he's suddenly a great catcher, but I don't see why he doesn't have more upside than Miller.

As for your point on their respective playing times...

Not sure where you get your information sometimes azd, they've played the same amount of games thus far, even with Barrett's injury. Barrett is in no more of a platoon situation than Miller is, and I haven't seen any evidence whatsoever to suggest that.

However...

Miller is a Diamondback, and Barrett is not

:)
 
80cancermoon
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      Mon, Apr 29, 2002, 05:13
It amases me how "one eyed blind" people can be to their team, If everyone else in the country sees a foul, some locals would not for the life of them imagine how it is called a foul. Very strange part of the human psychi.

I am pleased to own Miller at the momwent because he is peroducing money and points, Barrett's figures 3 years ago as a rookie were better than any year Miller has had. He has had injuries since then and adjusting from 3rd base as was mentioned.

In fantasy baseball Miller strikes out twice as often as Barrett, even more than that actually, and if you look at the amount of at bats, Barrett gets a lot more than Miller due to where they bat in the line up. All this adds up to more points, so Miller's avgs are going to have to be quite a bit higher than Barrett to score more than him in fantasy scoring over the course of the season.

Anyway I'll be going straight from Miller to Piazza so I am quite happy if barrett falls apart for everyone else, I just don't think he will.

Go Spivey though
 
81azdbacker
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      Mon, Apr 29, 2002, 12:08
Barrett --> Miller = 120 K today.
 
82Razor
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      Wed, May 01, 2002, 12:38
Re: post 70. You have to go back to 1995 to find a season in which Schilling bettered Brown in ERA. Schilling's postseason last year is like few anyone has ever seen, granted. Regarding his regular season though, about elevating his game, he just elevated it to a level Brown has been at for years. His regular season last year, by far his best, would've ranked around Brown's 4th best regular season. Saying Brown, when healthy, is better than Schilling isn't a stretch, it's a fact - throughout the last half decade Brown has been the superior pitcher every year. Brown was cruising along as one of the game's best last year until getting hurt. Stop getting fantasy confused with reality and you'll realize Brown has always been the better pitcher.

As to my original point, Arizona is now 11-1 with Unit/Schilling starting, 5-9 without. Can we reasonable expect Unit and Schilling to win 92% of their starts? No. Could Helling, Stottlemyre and Anderson/Batista finish with a losing record well below .500? Possible. And Randy is getting pushed back due to a sore back today. Unit's achilles heel (his back, not his achilles) better hold up or the Diamondbacks are in a lot of trouble. With the innings and the age taking their toll, I'd be surprised if either Unit or Schilling didn't hit the DL this year.