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| Posted by: rockafellerskank
- Leader [461124288] Thu, Feb 27, 2003, 20:43
Link to discussion part I
A bit too lengthy in that last thread.....
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| | | 1 | rockafellerskank
Leader
ID: 461124288
Thu, Feb 27, 2003, 20:54
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It's about time to set draft order. Here is how we do it. We start with an alphabetical listing of each team by gurupie handle.
1 allhair
2 ap10
3 azdbacker
4 baldwin
5 bmd
6 code cracker
7 coldwater
8 ksoze
9 louky
10 nerve clinic
11 perm dude
12 peter n
13 promize
14 ref
15 rfs
16 rogue nine
17 Slackjawed Yokel
18 toral
19 Tosh
20 twarpy
Next we will roll (10) 100-sided dice 20X times.
Here is the site we use for dice rolling The first roll goes to allhair the.... 20th roll goes to twarpy. The lowest roll gets the first pick, highes roll gets the last pick.
This is basically a random number generating site. Each of you will recieve an e-mail [and I will post results here] confirming the rolls and the legitimacy of the process. We use 10-sided die to cut down on the chance of ties. In the unlikely event of a tie, those two owners will have a "roll off" to break their tie.
If someone drops out after the draft is set, the new owner will step nto the vacated slot -- not everyone move up one.
I plan on executing the dice roll on Saturday morning to let everyone begin to prepare.
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| | | 2 | rockafellerskank
Leader
ID: 461124288
Thu, Feb 27, 2003, 21:33
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BTW, Based on the criteria in this thread, Guru has graciously offered to donate a Guru Prize if the winner is Patron (I assume there will be a cutoff date to donate forthcoming). I'm pretty sure we have the required total number of patrons.
The winners trophy will also bear the RotoGuru Logo w/ Dave's permission as well. Here is what the football trophy looked like This is hwat part of the league entry fee is going for...
Thanks Dave Hall.
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| | | 3 | APerfect10
Leader
ID: 70412023
Thu, Feb 27, 2003, 23:26
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Its ashame the light is reflecting off of my name so its not viewable! ;) Looks good, first time I've seen it...
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| | | 4 | Promize
Sustainer
ID: 19431422
Fri, Feb 28, 2003, 07:51
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::grumble::
Stop reminding me of what MY trophy should of said... :-)
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| | | 5 | allhair allstars
Sustainer
ID: 10153711
Fri, Feb 28, 2003, 09:59
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Ok, time now for the obligatory "Wow! Can we just forget about the random dice thing -- I like the order as it is!!" comment...
Wow! Can we just forget about the random dice thing -- I like the order as it is!!
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| | | 6 | Ref
Donor
ID: 100261311
Fri, Feb 28, 2003, 10:58
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That trophy just goes to show you how well my name looks in lights! ;)
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| | | 7 | rockafellerskank
Leader
ID: 57146217
Fri, Feb 28, 2003, 11:06
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I paid for CBS today. It was normally $139, I tried for the "renewal rate" of $99, but they said no, so I got them to split the different @ $119.95.
I'll send everyone payment instructions via e-mail later today. I'm going to put a time fram on payment to me as I fronted the cash. If you can't or don't pay by 3/17/03, you may be subject to replacement. Seriously, if payment presents a problem for anyone, contact me and we will work something out. Just ignoring payment is when it's frustrating.
Cost: $120 league + $40 planned for trophy + shipping = $160 / 20 = $8 per person.
Optional Prize Pool: $15 per person. 100% of money to be paid out to winners. Payout distribution to be determined based on number of participants. Obviously, you will not be abole to opt in to the prize pool any later than the 3/17/03 cut off.
You can pay via check, money order or cash via US Mail (my address will be in your private e-mail, please DO NOT share it) OR you can send the payment via Pay Pal at rockafellerskank007@yahoo.com
Send $8 or $23 depending on your preference.
Q's?
rfs
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| | | 8 | Rogue Nine
ID: 2419271
Fri, Feb 28, 2003, 11:06
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That link is showing me a different image now.
Very interesting...
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| | | 9 | Rogue Nine
ID: 2419271
Fri, Feb 28, 2003, 11:07
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Aw, Geocities sucks. Copy this into your brower for that to work.
http://www.geocities.com/roguenine19/RoutoGuruPlacque.jpg
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| | | 10 | rockafellerskank
Leader
ID: 57146217
Fri, Feb 28, 2003, 11:13
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Twarpy is such a slowpoke! Thanks, payment received for $23
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| | | 11 | Twarpy
Leader
ID: 17103822
Fri, Feb 28, 2003, 11:13
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rfs, just sent money via paypal I think, IE crashed and I've yet to get a confirmation email, tell me if you get it okay.
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| | | 12 | Twarpy
Leader
ID: 17103822
Fri, Feb 28, 2003, 11:13
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That answers that:)
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| | | 13 | rockafellerskank
Leader
ID: 57146217
Fri, Feb 28, 2003, 11:30
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FYI- The payment request e-mail used the e-mail address you have displayed on CBS. Check there.
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| | | 14 | Ref
Donor
ID: 100261311
Fri, Feb 28, 2003, 14:29
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Of course, twarpy sent $23 Canadian, so rfs got about 83 cents ;)
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| | | 15 | allhair allstars
Sustainer
ID: 10153711
Fri, Feb 28, 2003, 14:49
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I looked at Rogue Nine's link thinking I was going to see a picture of R9 at the dentist!
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| | | 16 | Rogue Nine
ID: 101382810
Fri, Feb 28, 2003, 14:52
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Nope, just a picture of the worst photoshop job this side of Microsoft Paint. ;)
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| | | 17 | Ref
Donor
ID: 100261311
Fri, Feb 28, 2003, 14:55
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We need louky in the leagues before I can manually edit the draft. I"ve sent him another email.
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| | | 18 | rockafellerskank
Leader
ID: 461124288
Sat, Mar 01, 2003, 10:54
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Just FYI - f you want to e-mail averyone in the league, you can use a master address provided by CBS:
guru20@guru20.baseball.sportsline.com
I am going to roll the dice now.....
DRUM ROLL PLEASE !
[you will ge 2 e-mails. the first is a TEST. It does no count. I just need to make sure I am enterinthe parameters correctly]
The second e-mail will be the true dice roll fro draft order. Both the test roll and the live roll will be clearly marked.
rfs
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| | | 19 | rockafellerskank
Leader
ID: 461124288
Sat, Mar 01, 2003, 11:03
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Roll Outcomes:
603
523
511
618
642
436
450
443
701
651
546
588
532
683
521
568
446
774
466
574
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| | | 20 | rockafellerskank
Leader
ID: 461124288
Sat, Mar 01, 2003, 11:05
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When matched to Gurupie Name:
Spot Name score
1 allhair 603
2 ap10 523
3 azdbacker 511
4 baldwin 618
5 beastiemiked 642
6 code cracker 436
7 coldwater 450
8 ksoze 443
9 louky 701
10 nerve clinic 651
11 perm dude 546
12 peter n 588
13 promize 532
14 ref 683
15 rockafellerskank 521
16 rogue nine 568
17 Slackjawed Yokel 446
18 toral 774
19 Tosh 466
20 twarpy 574
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| | | 21 | rockafellerskank
Leader
ID: 461124288
Sat, Mar 01, 2003, 11:06
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NOW SORTED INTO DRAFT ORDER:
Spot Name score
1 code cracker 436
2 ksoze 443
3 Slackjawed Yokel 446
4 coldwater 450
5 Tosh 466
6 azdbacker 511
7 rockafellerskank 521
8 ap10 523
9 promize 532
10 perm dude 546
11 rogue nine 568
12 twarpy 574
13 peter n 588
14 allhair 603
15 baldwin 618
16 beastiemiked 642
17 nerve clinic 651
18 ref 683
19 louky 701
20 toral 774
Congrats to Code Cracker on the low roll and the 1st overall pick.
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| | | 22 | rockafellerskank
Leader
ID: 461124288
Sat, Mar 01, 2003, 11:12
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At least people should know I am honest. I got the 1st overall pick in the "practice roll" ;(
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| | | 23 | Perm Dude
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ID: 481172816
Sat, Mar 01, 2003, 11:14
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Right in the middle. Ugh, worse place. Better get my mojo working.
pd
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| | | 24 | APerfect10
Leader
ID: 70412023
Sat, Mar 01, 2003, 11:25
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Inst post #21 the practice roll? ;)
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| | | 25 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Sat, Mar 01, 2003, 11:36
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UGH!
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| | | 26 | allhair allstars
ID: 49257111
Sat, Mar 01, 2003, 12:57
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Ditto that.
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| | | 27 | rockafellerskank
Leader
ID: 461124288
Sat, Mar 01, 2003, 12:59
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6 peope paid (incl me) so far and all 6 opted for the prize pol. Good start so far.
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| | | 28 | Toral
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ID: 2111201313
Sat, Mar 01, 2003, 13:55
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A ready-made excuse! Thanx!
Glad I didn't send that prize money in!
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| | | 29 | Slackjawed Yokel
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ID: 4132821
Sat, Mar 01, 2003, 14:52
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Not sure how big of an issue this will actually be, but I noticed there is a difference in position eligibility between yahoo and our cbs league. It seems yahoo requires 15 games in the previous year, where we've got cbs set to 10.
Because we are drafting and pre-ranking in yahoo, some players won't show up as being eligible. Now, I was thinking of using this to my advantage, but rather than subversively drafting Aubrey Huff as a 3B, I figured maybe we should just make them the same to help eliminate confusion.
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| | | 30 | Rogue Nine
ID: 461562813
Sat, Mar 01, 2003, 14:57
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Are we allowed trading draft positions? If so, I've got an offer for Code Cracker. ;)
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| | | 31 | rockafellerskank
Leader
ID: 461124288
Sat, Mar 01, 2003, 15:03
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Rogue, Yes, you can trade draft positions, but if you do, you will change positions for the entire length of the draft. If you are trying to arrange some type of move up for 1 round, you could pre-arrange the players.
For example, you could tell him to to take with his 1st/4th picks and he could tell you who to take with your 2nd/3rd picks. Then, exchange actual players.
Buyer Beware: It would be up to you 2 to get it done wihin the confines of a "live" draft and to deal with any veto consequences (however unlikely). Of course, you really should announce any draft day deal here so everyone know you are up and up.
SY: Yes, good point. Ref will need to look at the commissiner controls and eligibilty w/ Yahoo. For the record, CBS eligibility is 100% controllable b commissioners. Exact criteria for eligibility is still open for discussion as far as I'm concerned. Ultimately, what goes on CBS will be what you will be required to play your player at.
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| | | 32 | ksoze
Sustainer
ID: 50643419
Sat, Mar 01, 2003, 15:12
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rfs, $$$ sent, please confirm when possible. Thanks...
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| | | 33 | rockafellerskank
Leader
ID: 461124288
Sat, Mar 01, 2003, 15:16
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ksoze, got it. Thanks.
7 for 7 on the prize pool.
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| | | 34 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Sat, Mar 01, 2003, 15:16
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I can't find anywhere in Yahoo to adjust that. I will continue to look. Editing draft order now.
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| | | 35 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Sat, Mar 01, 2003, 15:23
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I'll fix the last two draft order positions as soon as louky wakes up from his long slumber and enters the leagues.
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| | | 36 | azdbacker
Donor
ID: 491172619
Sat, Mar 01, 2003, 16:24
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rfs - I can either mail you a check or I can meet you out for a beer sometime this week and pay you then, let me know...
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| | | 37 | nerveclinic
Donor
ID: 451146319
Sat, Mar 01, 2003, 16:25
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i don't think you can change the eligibility requirements on yahoo. I've been a commish for 5 years and have never noticed.
Nerve
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| | | 38 | rockafellerskank
Leader
ID: 461124288
Sat, Mar 01, 2003, 16:28
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azd, How about tryng to catch a Spring Training Game in the next w/e or two?
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| | | 39 | azdbacker
Donor
ID: 491172619
Sat, Mar 01, 2003, 16:40
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Sounds good to me.
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| | | 42 | Slackjawed Yokel
Sustainer
ID: 4132821
Sat, Mar 01, 2003, 21:02
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ref, I was wondering what was still loading on this page, and then I found out - luckily my speakers weren't turned quite all the way up.
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| | | 43 | Promize
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ID: 19431422
Sat, Mar 01, 2003, 21:43
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the music has got to go... delete that post please... refreshing this thread each time it starts each time...
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| | | 44 | Twarpy
Leader
ID: 17103822
Sun, Mar 02, 2003, 15:45
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Just looking over a couple of things and I need a few clarifications if possible ref and rfs.
1) How many people at each position are we drafting, in the limits on CBS it says 14 active players (I can't seem to find an exact breakdown of how many at each position) and 22 reserve players.
While on Yahoo we seem 16 players (C, 1B, 2B, 3B, SS, OF, OF, OF, Util, SP, SP, RP, RP, P, P, P) and 6 reserve players + 1 DL spot = 23 players.
2) For the pitcher breakdown in max innings for the year is it split at all between SP and RP, I know Sandbox used to split it up and was wondering if CBS did the same.
Feel free to correct me if these have been answered anywhere else, I tried looking at the old thread and couldn't see a clearcut answer.
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| | | 45 | APerfect10
Leader
ID: 70412023
Sun, Mar 02, 2003, 16:25
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I have a couple of questions also...
- What determines positional eligiblity? I'm assuming we're using CBS' positions, but are the identical to Yahoo?
- Have we determined the # of keepers? I know a lot of numbers were being thrown around, but what if...we each had a minor league team (~2-3 players). This would allow us to limit the number of keepers while also allowing us to keep young players. (The downfall to this is more work for the commish)
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| | | 46 | Twarpy
Leader
ID: 17103822
Sun, Mar 02, 2003, 16:39
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To add to AP10's
-This was brought up earlier by SY, apparently Yahoo has a 15 game minimum, while CBS' is only 10. This still needs to be addressed, as well as how many games a player needs at a certain position this year before they can also become multipositional.
-I was in a successful hockey league that incorporated minor leaguers very well. All we did was you could use your reserve spots for "minor league" players, and then each year we had an entry draft in which from last to first got to pick a minor or two. It was a little different though as once you drafted your team you had that team, and didn't lose any players at the end of the year.
There are several upsides to this; it makes it a lot easier to rebuild, and adds a ton more to trade opportunities, and also makes you feel like you're really building your team from the fround up.
The downfalls are; It would take away from the draft we have next year in terms of players not kept. Logistically it would be a pain in the ass, and I know several people like me don't have a clue on minor league players (I'd still love to give it a try).
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| | | 47 | Ref
Donor
ID: 27016179
Sun, Mar 02, 2003, 16:59
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Minor Leaguers...No
positions... there are 22 (plus we will add one) so if there is a player or two that doesn't mesh, you can fix that easily. If anything it there are more positions on CBS.
Music...I can remove that post. Thought some people might find "take me out to the ballgame" amusing.
louky...still no word back from him. He's a quality player but if we have to replace him, we have to give the new person person a heads-up in time to prepare.
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| | | 48 | Twarpy
Leader
ID: 17103822
Sun, Mar 02, 2003, 18:17
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Ref what I was saying is that in CBS we have 14 Active Positions listed but it doesn't specifically say which ones, while in Yahoo you have 16 Active Positions.
Any clarification on RP/SP innings split, and player eligibility.
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| | | 49 | Ref
Donor
ID: 27016179
Sun, Mar 02, 2003, 18:24
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Sorry, will go look at it now...
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| | | 50 | Slackjawed Yokel
Sustainer
ID: 4132821
Sun, Mar 02, 2003, 18:34
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Twarpy, it does show which are active (listed as max) -> the eight position player, one utility player, and five pitchers. So the difference that you've pointed out is 2 less pitchers on cbs.
When I pointed out the difference yesterday, I was expecting that you guys would change CBS to 15 games, because yahoo's settings can't be changed.
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| | | 51 | Ref
Donor
ID: 27016179
Sun, Mar 02, 2003, 18:50
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Not changing the cbs settings as far as games to qualify for a position. That's where we want it.
I've tinkered with the pitching and we've made it Pitcher instead of sp/rp. Basically we had to do that to make it legal. Otherwise, you'd have to start a SP or RP even if you didn't want to. I really don't see much of a need for 7 pitchers as we would rarely have 7 guys going very often. IMO, we could stand to have less pitchers active.
Still could use more feedback and suggestions, but the Yahoo and CBS games aren't going to have every player exactly the same.
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| | | 52 | Twarpy
Leader
ID: 17103822
Sun, Mar 02, 2003, 18:51
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SY yeah Im a dumbass didn't see that part before now.
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| | | 53 | Ref
Donor
ID: 27016179
Sun, Mar 02, 2003, 19:06
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Just changed the yahoo active pitchers to 5.
Gonna be really hard finding players on waiver wire.
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| | | 54 | Slackjawed Yokel
Sustainer
ID: 4132821
Sun, Mar 02, 2003, 21:59
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Here's an idea: since the yahoo league is going to be mostly hands-off and for fun, how about adding some additional categories? Maybe total bases, shutouts, k's for hitters, sacrifice flies, losses...
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| | | 55 | Ref
Donor
ID: 100261311
Mon, Mar 03, 2003, 11:38
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louky is now in. You can't edit the draft order w/o having to start all over again, but it's set.
Draft is Sunday night at 7:05 EST, 4:05 PST. (etc.)
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| | | 56 | Ref
Donor
ID: 100261311
Mon, Mar 03, 2003, 12:03
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louky, try again on CBS, I think I found the problem.
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| | | 57 | Code Cracker
Leader
ID: 1701629
Mon, Mar 03, 2003, 13:28
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I just got back into cyberland. Big ice storm here on Thursday and I have been without power/internet since then except for Friday at work.
First time ever for the first pick so not sure if I should take Dave Martinez or trade it to Rogue, :).
rfs, I will PayPal you my money tonight.
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| | | 58 | Ref
Donor
ID: 100261311
Mon, Mar 03, 2003, 13:44
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code, I'll trade you martinez and rollie fingers and even throw in a reggie jackson for your first pick.
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| | | 59 | rockafellerskank
Leader
ID: 461124288
Mon, Mar 03, 2003, 19:27
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8 for 8 on payment w/ prize pool!
I think I've confirmed with all that sent Pay Pal via e-mail. Coldwater, recieved payment today.
Thanks
rfs
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| | | 60 | Ref
Donor
ID: 100261311
Tue, Mar 04, 2003, 11:31
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louky is in on CBS now too. We're ready to go this Sunday.
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| | | 61 | Ref
Donor
ID: 27016179
Wed, Mar 05, 2003, 20:29
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BUTT
Reminder of the draft is going on Sunday. I won't be back from Friday evening until Sunday afternoon (although may have access) so if there are loose ends--let's tie them up.
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| | | 62 | Slackjawed Yokel
Sustainer
ID: 4132821
Wed, Mar 05, 2003, 21:48
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did we ever agree on the number of keepers?
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| | | 63 | rockafellerskank
Leader
ID: 461124288
Thu, Mar 06, 2003, 22:03
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the 9th person paid today. 9 for 9 on the optional prize pool.
Don't forget go to the post office or pay pal and get your entry fee in ASAP!
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| | | 64 | Twarpy
Leader
ID: 1021873
Fri, Mar 07, 2003, 04:32
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Ref and rfs any final ruling on keepers?
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| | | 65 | Perm Dude
Leader
ID: 0059248
Fri, Mar 07, 2003, 09:29
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I'll take care of the payment early next week, and I'll also throw money into the prize pool.
Twarpy, are you taking over Blue Hen's team in the Yahoo Mock Draft? If so, email me for the league information. I've held a place for you. If you don't want it just let me know--I've got three managers waiting for 2 other spots.
pd
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| | | 66 | rockafellerskank
Leader
ID: 461124288
Fri, Mar 07, 2003, 09:37
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Ref and I will talk as soon as I can catch him and hammer out all the final details. We'll post them here, e-mail them to all, post on Yahoo and CBS too.
Sorry for the inattention this thread has received. Been tied up w/ TSN baskeball and some othe rbaseball drafts...
One of the things that I am most proud of is that we have been very pro-active in getting things done in our other leagues. This one will be run with the same enthusiasm.
.. let's get ready to rumble!
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| | | 67 | Ref
Donor
ID: 100261311
Fri, Mar 07, 2003, 11:37
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rfs just answered for me.
I wasn't avoiding the question, but don't want to speak until rfs and I had a chance to get together. Not everyone understands how keen rfs is on some of these things. At times we wonder what each other is thinking but then when we explain it, a light comes on. I have found that working with rfs has been the most rewarding sports fantasy stuff ever and he works as hard, if not harder than I do, to assure that all bases are covered (pardon the pun) and everything is fair. Our league rules (constitution) will be very detailed and complete before the year starts.
Those of you new to our DEEP keeper leagues we started last year with football will have a great experience! This is NOT a one man job as we found out in football. I think baseball will be much easier--esp. w/o a DL slot. I will be gone much of this weekend, but will have access and WILL be talking with rfs to hammer out the final rules. Both of us work well together and if we feel strongly about our position, we both are willing to compromise. We really use all of your input. So this is your last chance to voice your opinions on any aspect that is not already decided.
Thanks again for help making this league possible!
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| | | 68 | rockafellerskank
Leader
ID: 57146217
Fri, Mar 07, 2003, 12:01
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Ref, Still have my phone number? If so, we cantalk the old fashioned way anytime on Friday night or Saturday morning!
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| | | 69 | Toral
Sustainer
ID: 2111201313
Fri, Mar 07, 2003, 12:08
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It would be very helpful to get an indication about what number of keepers is being considered today. The draft is Sunday; there's a lot of pre-ranking to do. Even if Ref and rfs could post the number of keepers each is currently leading towards, we would know the parameters being considered.
Toral
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| | | 70 | Perm Dude
Leader
ID: 0059248
Fri, Mar 07, 2003, 12:14
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Yes, the earlier the better. My draft strategy would certainly change based upon the keeper information.
pd
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| | | 71 | Ref
Donor
ID: 100261311
Fri, Mar 07, 2003, 12:23
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All I can tell you is that rfs was leaning toward 7 and I was leaning toward 9. We will discuss these things and why we arrived at those numbers and go from there. I guess since that seems to be the most important topic, we need to open up that discussion again. Please give your opinion and back it up with reasoning. For reference purposes, I believe in football and in hoops we are keeping 9. Baseball has a much larger roster.
rfs and I will discuss this and what we come out of it will likely be final. This is your last chance for input on this topic. Thanks again for all your discussion.
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| | | 72 | Toral
Sustainer
ID: 2111201313
Fri, Mar 07, 2003, 12:33
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Thanx for the clarification. We can assume it will be somewhere between 7 and 9 -- that is helpful in itself.
I prefer the lower number (7) because 9 keepers sets too much of the future in stone and makes annual drafts duller and less important events. I hope this counts as "reasoning" -- it's really a matter of preference as I see it.
Toral
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| | | 73 | Promize
Sustainer
ID: 19431422
Fri, Mar 07, 2003, 13:33
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I agree with just 7.
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| | | 74 | Rogue Nine
ID: 2624472
Fri, Mar 07, 2003, 15:56
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I'm good for both. Seven keepers would give bad teams a better chance the following year, and make the yearly drafts more interesting. Nine keepers would reward good drafters and allow us to keep a few 'prospects'. At 7, we probably would be keeping more productive and less risky picks.
rfs, I'll have the prize money and payment in next week too, probably threw paypal.
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| | | 75 | ksoze
Sustainer
ID: 50643419
Fri, Mar 07, 2003, 17:30
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Well, I agree with no less then 7 and no more then 9 so I'm agreeable. I'm also no help. :-)
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| | | 76 | Slackjawed Yokel
Sustainer
ID: 1239617
Fri, Mar 07, 2003, 18:26
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I guess I'd prefer closer to 9, as it does give you a little more opportunity to build a team.
Speaking of which, I've got a few questions: how will the waiver priority work in cbs? I assume it will initially start out the opposite of the draft order. Once you've transferred the drafts to cbs, will all remaining players be on waivers or free agents? As players get called up and added to the list of available players, will they be placed on waivers or free agents?
I'm sure these are all things you guys will be addressing in the next couple of days anyways, but I thought there might be some implications on the draft should the list of available players differ between yahoo and cbs.
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| | | 77 | rockafellerskank
Leader
ID: 461124288
Fri, Mar 07, 2003, 18:30
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SY: I'll answer this one right off hand. Initial WW order will be reverse of draft. All undrated players will begin the season on waivers then turn to FA's - first come first serve. Released players to to waivers first, then become FA's as well.
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| | | 78 | rockafellerskank
Leader
ID: 461124288
Fri, Mar 07, 2003, 20:12
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Ref and I chatted a bit tonight..
We are going to set the keepers at 7 per team. In a 20 team league this means that the to 140 players will be off the market for next year. We wanted to keep the draft next year fun (some talent available) and still allow owners to keep their nucleus. I think thsi allows us to do that.
So there you have it. Keepers = 7
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| | | 79 | beastiemiked
Sustainer
ID: 29145419
Fri, Mar 07, 2003, 20:18
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Darn it, too late to get my argument in. Ahh well, I would've preferred 9. 7 kills the chances of owners that were the top teams the year before. They'll be getting the bottom of the barrel every round, that just doesn't seem fair for 15 rounds.
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| | | 80 | rockafellerskank
Leader
ID: 461124288
Fri, Mar 07, 2003, 20:19
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Also, the Yahoo draft will be 22 players in snake format. When we get to CBS, thee will be 23 roster spots ( 1 extra per team to deal w/ injuries or to get a prospect or whatever). Fill that 2 3rd sot anytime you want. if you want to use your waiver position to get the best available ?must have" player that's up to you, or wait for everyone to turn to freee agnets and hold your waiver position. This makes the draft snake fair (22 rounds is an even number) and adds a bit of strategy.
Remember, there may be some eligibility differencs between CBS and Yahoo. CBS is set for 10 games last year or 5 games this year to meet eligibility requirements. It's up to you to veify those marginal players.
I'm out for the night.... but post any questions and will respond tomorow morning....
rfs
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| | | 81 | Ref
Donor
ID: 27016179
Fri, Mar 07, 2003, 23:45
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I was for 9 too until I started hearing about players rated at 141 and above and that was spooky.
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| | | 82 | APerfect10
Leader
ID: 70412023
Sun, Mar 09, 2003, 09:03
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I was for 9 too until I started hearing about players rated at 141 and above and that was spooky.
Thats the exact point of a 20 team keeper league.
DRAFT TONIGHT at 7pm EST
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| | | 83 | rockafellerskank
Leader
ID: 461124288
Sun, Mar 09, 2003, 13:54
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A couple of points or thoughs about the draft tonight:
20 teams x 22 rounds = 440 players x 90 secs per pic max = 660 minutes or 11 hours! Think about it! Pleae come prepared and pick promtly as a courstey to all involved! Realistically we will be drafting 4-5 hours.
Suggestion: keep a windown open to our CBS league so you can quickly check eligibility if you have any questions....
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| | | 84 | Rogue Nine
ID: 2624472
Sun, Mar 09, 2003, 14:24
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For the draft, Yahoo requires that you have the new Microsoft Java Machine installed. You can get it by updating your version of Windows threw Windows Update, or by downloading and installing it from this site:
Site.
Without it you won't be able to log into the draft, and obviously that would be a major problem. There is also a test program in the yellow box on our league page, that tests your system to make sure the draft applet will run.
Note: Microsoft has been sued by Sun Systems, and a court order has forced Microsoft to remove all Java products from their website. This is why I had to find Java Machine at a 3rd party website.
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| | | 85 | RecycledSpinalFluid
ID: 1924582
Sun, Mar 09, 2003, 17:17
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Wow. Surprised AP10 is in this league too, as inactive as he is in the Gurupie20 Basketball league.
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| | | 86 | allhair allstars
Sustainer
ID: 71561822
Sun, Mar 09, 2003, 17:24
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Whoops...
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| | | 87 | Perm Dude
Leader
ID: 27244818
Sun, Mar 09, 2003, 17:26
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For managers who aren't at the draft, is is possible to have their picks made without having to wait to whole 90 seconds?
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| | | 88 | rockafellerskank
Leader
ID: 461124288
Sun, Mar 09, 2003, 17:34
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PD, I don't know? Maybe Ref can look at the commissioner controls?
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| | | 89 | allhair allstars
Sustainer
ID: 71561822
Sun, Mar 09, 2003, 17:49
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The 90 second thing is actually set in stone? or that's just a number thrown out by rfs?
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| | | 90 | rockafellerskank
Leader
ID: 461124288
Sun, Mar 09, 2003, 17:52
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Speaking from memory, that's what i believe yahoo is set as a default.
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| | | 91 | Toral
Sustainer
ID: 2111201313
Sun, Mar 09, 2003, 17:57
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That is the default setting -- 90 secs.
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| | | 92 | beastiemiked
Sustainer
ID: 29145419
Sun, Mar 09, 2003, 17:59
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I wouldn't be against shaving that time down to 60 seconds. I think that is plenty of time to make a pick plus it'll speed up the draft.
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| | | 93 | allhair allstars
Sustainer
ID: 71561822
Sun, Mar 09, 2003, 18:02
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k, thanks.
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| | | 94 | Slackjawed Yokel
Sustainer
ID: 1239617
Sun, Mar 09, 2003, 18:02
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yeah, yahoo gives you 90 seconds. If a manager isn't there, the first time it'll wait the full 90 seconds. Subsequent turns it'll pick his top ranked player in a couple of seconds.
as someone said on the yahoo league page, if you're going to be away at all, there's a checkbox you can mark saying so, and it won't wait the full 90 seconds. Also, it's a good idea to set up a queue in the draft app in case you're disconnected for some reason.
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| | | 95 | Perm Dude
Leader
ID: 27244818
Sun, Mar 09, 2003, 18:28
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Yeah, I usually get connected at least once a draft. Good point.
pd
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| | | 96 | rockafellerskank
Leader
ID: 461124288
Sun, Mar 09, 2003, 18:32
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The "ENTER LIVE DRAFT" link is loaded at the yahoo site.
Come on an and get comfortable w/ Yahoo!'s draft platform if you have not used it before..
rfs
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| | | 97 | rockafellerskank
Leader
ID: 461124288
Sun, Mar 09, 2003, 18:39
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Just a friendly reminder...
Please refrain from discussing UNDRAFTED playrs during the draft. Dont' say things like "I almost took Player X, but he is injured" .. or.... "I'm trying to decide between Player and Player Y" ... "Does anyone know who is the Closer for Team XYZ"
Once they're off the board, feel free to comment or heckle to your heart's content!
rfs
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| | | 98 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Sun, Mar 09, 2003, 19:03
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Let's Rumble!
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| | | 99 | RecycledSpinalFluid
ID: 211013916
Mon, Mar 10, 2003, 01:58
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i'm dieing to see the draft results. Anyone want to post/send me the results?
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| | | 100 | beastiemiked
Sustainer
ID: 29145419
Mon, Mar 10, 2003, 02:31
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Draft Results
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| | | 101 | RecycledSpinalFluid
ID: 211013916
Mon, Mar 10, 2003, 02:36
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Thanks!
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| | | 102 | beastiemiked
Sustainer
ID: 29145419
Mon, Mar 10, 2003, 02:41
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I feel I had an excellent draft until round 13, after that I feel like I made a few bad picks. However, I am extremely happy with my first 4 rounders, Berkman, Mulder, Hudson, and Morris.
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| | | 103 | Ref
Donor
ID: 100261311
Mon, Mar 10, 2003, 09:55
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I feel like my draft was the worst ever! But then I see how my hoops team is doing and I'll backoff that comment. Bernie Williams went way too early. It was an auto pick. I couldn't get to Matt Morris fast enough when my q was gone and the players I hadn't crossed off my list yet were already taken (very fast draft--couldn't keep up). I didn't plan on taking Schmidt that early either, but I can live with him--but bernie would have still been around for the next round if I wanted him. The whole draft was frustrating for a lot of us--but that's the nature of a deep league I guess. Great job guys. You sure did your homework!
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| | | 104 | Ref
Donor
ID: 100261311
Mon, Mar 10, 2003, 10:05
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RSF, you can go to league overview page then on left hand side it has the list of managers/waiver priority and draft results and other things listed.
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| | | 105 | Ref
Donor
ID: 100261311
Mon, Mar 10, 2003, 11:05
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FYI:
Started adding drafted players in manually to the CBS site. Please be patient as I am not going to be around much this afternoon. I'd love to get them all in today, but like I said yesterday--am not guaranteeing anything until tomorrow.
Please check your teams (trying to go in draft order except for my own team) for accuracy. Also note, that players listed as UTIL players only for eligibility are NOT listed on your teams right now. CBS does not have a util slot to put them on your team manually. For me to be able to put burks on my team, I had to add him manually via my own team and use commish controls to override the block I had on doing that. I will be able to fix those problems, just not as I manually enter them via draft tools apparently.
Also, I/we will have to manually enter waiver priority. It will be in reverse order of draft to begin with. Everyone will be able to add one player to compensate for a DL slot in CBS. Since there is NO DL, it is your call to hold or dump an injured player. No stashing. This "extra" slot can be used immediately by using your Waiver pick, or you can take a chance by waiting until the remaining players become a FA and picking them up right away. Your call.
Once I/we enter all teams, I/we will go back and figure out a way for your DH players to be entered on your team. This must be done before we allow WW/FA process to begin.
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| | | 106 | Perm Dude
Leader
ID: 0059248
Mon, Mar 10, 2003, 11:10
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Was anxious throughout the whole draft. I drafted at least 4 guys much earlier than I wanted to, but gauging from the chat reaction I think that turned out to be good for me.
Pitching help will be thin, so I'm worried about my staff, but I recognize that nearly everyone else is in the same boat.
This should be fun!
pd
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| | | 107 | Ref
Donor
ID: 100261311
Mon, Mar 10, 2003, 11:15
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I have all kinds of closers, but I've been in so many drafts, that I didn't realize until this morning how this I was on starters! I have quality closers/MR help that will want to move as the season progresses. Guess I can jump out to a lead in saves first.
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| | | 108 | Ref
Donor
ID: 100261311
Mon, Mar 10, 2003, 11:51
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You know it's a deep deep league when azdbacker only gets 3 dbacks!!! ;)
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| | | 109 | Ref
Donor
ID: 100261311
Mon, Mar 10, 2003, 11:54
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Btw, I am adding those players that are UTIL to teams manually. I will then clear the transactions page before WW is set.
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| | | 110 | Rogue Nine
ID: 2624472
Mon, Mar 10, 2003, 13:41
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That Nevin pick is going to be over my head all year, but other than that I think I drafted reasonably well. I feel I have a solid core of young guys that I can count on from year-to-year. (I've got Santana in just about every league I'm in, I sure hope he doesn't bust.)
I think alot of people are thin on starting pitching. What do you consider thin? I actually only have 5 starters, and Santana/Weaver are 5th starters/possible relief pitchers. Still, with that high IP number, I tried to compensate by taking a few quality setupmen who can add good ERA/WHIP/K's for their 75 IP.
Should be a fun year. Next up, WW feeding. Lots of young guys out there that can make or break our seasons...
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| | | 111 | Ref
Donor
ID: 100261311
Mon, Mar 10, 2003, 14:41
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I entered Promize's team and the server went down. Don't think it took, so will have to redo his team. About half the league is now entered.
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| | | 112 | allhair allstars
Sustainer
ID: 10153711
Mon, Mar 10, 2003, 14:55
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Well, if I knew how to judge talent I'd know how to judge my team. And I probably would have picked better as well. As it is, my crew is fairly loosey-goosey, but the season's not over for me yet!
At least I hope not...
ksoze,
Where's that damn stout you promised me? I could use a drink!
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| | | 113 | APerfect10
Leader
ID: 70412023
Mon, Mar 10, 2003, 15:15
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My team appears entered but I'm missing two players...
Adam Dunn &
Brandon Larson
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| | | 114 | Ref
Donor
ID: 100261311
Mon, Mar 10, 2003, 15:21
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AP10
I have to add them manually via add/drop overide. Should show up shortly.
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| | | 115 | Ref
Donor
ID: 100261311
Mon, Mar 10, 2003, 15:24
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Actually, AP10, I rechecked. Both of those were listed as a diff. position and are now added. They are put in the position of CBS' choosing. If they are listed as DH as their first position, they have to be added manually via add/drop.
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| | | 116 | Rogue Nine
ID: 2624472
Mon, Mar 10, 2003, 15:45
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My team is good ref, thanks.
One thing I noticed... the minimum for our bench is 7. Was that on purpose? Do you want all of us filling up to 23 players?
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| | | 117 | Ref
Donor
ID: 100261311
Mon, Mar 10, 2003, 16:00
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Rogue, I have set my lineup 4 times today and it keeps reverting. I need to go in and relook at the setup. rfs just did it really quick to get it up and I went back over it and made some changes as I saw discrepencies. There still seems to be a couple more things I want to tweak. Thanks. Teams through Twarpy are now in. I was able to be online today afterall.
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| | | 118 | Ref
Donor
ID: 100261311
Mon, Mar 10, 2003, 16:08
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OK, tweaked it again. That should at least let your lineups be set right for now. We all ahve 22 players right now and it was set for 23 max with all the mins. that go along with 23. Since we drafted an even number--the settings would have been right after the pickup. I made it so you don't even have to pickup that extra player at all and still have a legal lineup.
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| | | 119 | Rogue Nine
ID: 4423421
Mon, Mar 10, 2003, 16:15
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Thanks Ref. I'm debating weather to wait for the season to fill my 23rd spot or do it now, so the switch is appreciated.
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| | | 120 | Ref
Donor
ID: 100261311
Mon, Mar 10, 2003, 16:21
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Still not working. Everytime I manually add a DH/Util player to a person's lineup, my individual lineup goes back to default with warnings. No clue why it is going bonkers on me, but I'll be darned if I set it again before all the lineups are entered and corrected (if need be).
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| | | 121 | rockafellerskank
Leader
ID: 461124288
Mon, Mar 10, 2003, 17:16
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Ref, I think I fixed the problem in the league settings. Try it now.....
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| | | 122 | rockafellerskank
Leader
ID: 461124288
Mon, Mar 10, 2003, 17:19
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We have to name the "utility" position an "DH" and I made every hitte eligible at DH.
technically, we will start a "DH" and not a "U"
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| | | 123 | Promize
Sustainer
ID: 19431422
Mon, Mar 10, 2003, 17:24
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My Lineup works
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| | | 124 | Ref
Donor
ID: 100261311
Mon, Mar 10, 2003, 17:26
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bah! ignore the trade announcement!
When I re-entered promize's team after the crash (and for the 3rd time). I forgot to put his team in there again and it defaulted to AAs--so I jsut traded them rather than to clear one team and re-add his individually. ;)
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| | | 125 | rockafellerskank
Leader
ID: 461124288
Mon, Mar 10, 2003, 17:28
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My team is now correct and my lineup sets just fine.
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| | | 126 | rockafellerskank
Leader
ID: 461124288
Mon, Mar 10, 2003, 17:41
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Ref, I set your roster too. I wanted to how the commissioner tools worked. Don't worry, i did a good job picking your best player!
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| | | 127 | Peter N.
Donor
ID: 5215916
Mon, Mar 10, 2003, 17:54
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Ref, Did you finish loading the players into CBS from my team? I am missing Craig Wilson, Vinny Castilla, and Joe Crede.
Thanks
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| | | 128 | ksoze
Sustainer
ID: 50643419
Mon, Mar 10, 2003, 18:20
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AA,
Mackesson's in the fridge and waiting for you to say "pour!"
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| | | 129 | Promize
Sustainer
ID: 19431422
Mon, Mar 10, 2003, 19:05
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Missing two players now as well
Garret Anderson
Willie Harris
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| | | 130 | Ref
Donor
ID: 27016179
Mon, Mar 10, 2003, 20:12
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promize, I entered your lineup 3 or 4 times (last time had to trade them) so I may have missed them. peter n, will recheck. I apologize in advance for missing players, but they list them in one huge alphabetical order of players and I try and assign them in same general area. Be sure to check your teams to be sure I didn't overlook anyone!
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| | | 131 | Ref
Donor
ID: 27016179
Mon, Mar 10, 2003, 20:37
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ok, fixed. btw rfs did fix the problem with putting dh players on rosters. so it won't affect anyone else. Got like 5 or 6 more to do, trying to get them in tonight if I can.
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| | | 132 | Peter N.
Donor
ID: 5215916
Mon, Mar 10, 2003, 20:48
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Just checked....they are added....Thanks Ref
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| | | 133 | Ref
Donor
ID: 27016179
Mon, Mar 10, 2003, 21:04
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starting another thread...
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