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| Posted by: Khahan
- [75331212] Wed, Jun 16, 2004, 12:24
Ok, this is my first year in any keeper leagues. Some of them I'm already looking towards what I can do for next year. Some of them I'm focused on winning it all this year, but I don't want to blow it for next year, either.
What I'm looking at is keeper value of older power pitchers like Clemens, Schilling, RJ, Pedro, Brown.
These are players I'd be looking to acquire for a strong push this year for first place. However, how much should I give up in keepers for them? How much keeper value do they maintain?
I'm not looking for a specific player by player break down. I guess I'm just trying to figure out how much age (and recent injury history) plays as a factor in keeper leagues?
I mean, RJ is RJ this year. He's showing us all that. But to bank on him being the same 'old' pitcher again next year?
What I'm looking at is a guy who can provide some powerhouse numbers this year, but at a slightly reduced price in a keeper league because of future considerations.
Am I too far off base in that line of thinking or just looking at the wrong set of players? |
| | | 1 | Species
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Wed, Jun 16, 2004, 13:43
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I think you're in the right frame of mind. But people holding those players, who likely spent high draft picks for them (keeper league or not) aren't going to give them away without getting a younger keeper in return. Case in point:
In 2001, Guru, attempting to stop my march to a 2nd consecutive "Original Rotogurupie Keeper League" title, needed a stud pitcher. He took a deep breath, swallowed the lump in his throat, and traded Vladimir Guerrero to get his hands on RJ. And yes he won the title, and has won a title since, but obviously it pained him to have to give one of the top 5 long term keepers in the league.
It's fun trying to trade in a keeper league. You can definitely benefit if you are in the 2nd half of the league by trading an older stud for a younger stud. Just don't proceed under the misconception that you can get an RJ for Brad Penny - you have to do a little better than that.
....not that you didn't know that already
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| | | 2 | Khahan
ID: 75331212
Wed, Jun 16, 2004, 13:47
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Thanks Species. Time to start trolling the rosters of the bottom 5 and see if I can grab any of these guys.
I've certainly got plenty of the 'younger keepers and studs' to work with.
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| | | 3 | StLCards
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Wed, Jun 16, 2004, 15:12
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In my mind it is almost too early to start making the trades for your final push. Lots can happen between now and the end of the season like a few injuries. All of a sudden pitching may not be your biggest concern by the end of the year.
As far as value goes, that depends on how bad you want somebody or how bad your need is. I'm not sure I would rate Pedro in the same class as the others since he is still in his early 30's. Clemens and RJ may be old, but they are two of the top ranked pitchers. Will Clemens even play next year? I hope so since I have him on a team. If I were not contending for 1st place, I would be inclined to trade him for the right price. Certainly wouldn't give him away! Last year I needed a pitcher myself and traded for Clemens. I gave up Izzy and got Clemens (who was for sure retiring) and a high draft choice. It worked out well for me, but at the time it was alot to give up my #1 closer.
I think you can pick up quality older veterans for a stretch run, guys like Loaiza, Clemens, RJ who maybe have one year left in them or aren't "elite" types, etc. (probably much harder to get Schilling and Brown who aren't quite 40 yet), but you will definitely have to pay to get them. Probably easier nearer the end of the season when managers are looking at their keepers for next year and thinking about their long term success. It becomes easier and the relative value of the old veteran goes down (IMO) the fewer the keepers you are allowed. Good luck!
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