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Subject: OT: Texas Hold 'em Poker Discussion - V

  Posted by: Species - [26471422] Sun, Aug 15, 2004, 22:49
Other thread getting longer........

A comment for 85th year.......while on the surface your points about playing miniscule-limit tables is reasonable, perhaps you haven't taken THK's situation to heart. He's fairly young and without a lot of money, so he's playing small. I see no harm in his discussing his minor victories.

In a sit-n-go currently. Got pocket 8's twice in a row (ended up folding after the flop on both) then proceeded to get pocket 10's. After a nice raise I had 2 callers. A 8 10 on flop and I bet like 400 or so. Someone goes all in and I call. He had A Q and I take him ou with my set.

Very next hand get A J non suited. End up with 4 diamonds on the board, and my ace is diamonds and I take another guy out. Sitting with the chip lead currently.
 
1Species
      ID: 26471422
      Sun, Aug 15, 2004, 22:54 		Good last post by TRS that I don't want lost in the shuffle........

126 ChicagoTRS
ID: 55725150
Sun, Aug 15, 2004, 22:35 Pocket pairs (NL non-tournament):

A lot of factors to think about when playing small/medium pairs. I mix up my strategy depending on position, aggressiveness of the table, number of people seeing the flop, opposing stack sizes, my stack size. Generally I do not bet them aggressively preflop and want to see a lot of opponents in and then wait to hit a set and then trap or bet aggressive depending on the opponents...try to force a big pot. If I don't hit my set I fold most times. I like to play pairs cheap and get out if the flop does not hit me. I do not care about isolating or trying to win pots preflop with small pairs.

I will call a nice preflop raise if there are either a lot of people in and/or I have position (know another raise isn't coming behind me). Depending on the opponent and our relative stack sizes/aggression I might call a big preflop raise heads up if I think I can take the persons stack if I catch.

I will fold small pocket pairs preflop against people who raise and I know are tight or against very big preflop raises.

The set is definitely one of the most profitable hands in the game, very powerful and well hidden. Love when you are holding a pair of 9s and a flop comes like A-9-6...great hand to run up against AK. Also a nice hand when the board pairs and you fill up...opposing a straight/flush/3 of a kind.

If I hit a set against a drawing board I will generally bet them pretty hard to try and force out the draws or make them take bad pot odds.

My key with pocket pairs is to be patient with them and just see flops cheap and wait for the set.

Tournaments, limit poker...there is a different set of strategy.
 
2TaRhEElKiD
      ID: 40612721
      Sun, Aug 15, 2004, 22:57 		Yea normally I just play .5/1 or 1/2 tables but lost a big hand and didn't want to go on major TILT to I cashed out down to $2 just to give this a try and see what I could do! I see no harm but ah well. ;-)

GL Species. Chuck and I are both at the same penny table right now.

THK

 
3ChicagoTRS
      ID: 07371014
      Mon, Aug 16, 2004, 13:47 		How do you play this hand?

10 handed, $100 NL, .50-1.00 blinds, you have $150 in front of you.

You are dealt JJ in the dealer position. Solid player makes $5 raise from a middle position, 2 caller before you (all players have ~$100). What do you do when it comes to your preflop bet? call - raise(how much) - fold? Give some reasons for your actions.

We can continue to the flop when we get a few answers and I will give my own then.

Just looking for how other people might play a hand like this to kind of spur some thought...maybe get some new perspective.
 
4beastiemiked
      Sustainer
      ID: 03531815
      Mon, Aug 16, 2004, 14:38 		Let's go over the options.

Raise - I think a raise in this situation is very dangerous. The initial raiser could definitely be holding a hand that dominates you and could very easily reraise.

Fold - It would be very tough for me to lay this hand down because it's cheap to call with over $15 already in the pot.

Call - This is what I would do in this situation most times. I play to hit a set with pocket jacks at a full table.


 
5Farn
      ID: 36651269
      Mon, Aug 16, 2004, 14:42 		I'm with bmd. I would be calling here. If your read is right and the original raiser is a solid player he is probably playing a decent pocket pair or 2 over cards.

I would call and see the flop. If an over card falls you need to be very careful about making any kind of bet. You have to believe that with that number of guys in the flop somebody held on to an A,K,or Q. So if any of those falls I would probably be folding up.
 
6Species
      Leader
      ID: 07724916
      Mon, Aug 16, 2004, 14:44 		Call. You have to at least see if you get the set. If no set and no overcards at the flop, then bet big....but at this point you could have the 2nd best hand. You have to put the $5 raiser on a pocket pair or AK, AQ.
 
7ChicagoTRS
      ID: 07371014
      Mon, Aug 16, 2004, 15:20 		I pretty much agree with everyone...a call is the right move. Now if the initial raiser was a loose aggressive poor player I would consider bumping it to $15 and try and get heads up and hope no overcards flop.

Folding is obviously out of the question...you have a decent hand with the potential to win a lot of money if the flop hits right.

Raise? not with 3 other callers. At best you are in a coin flip situation to someone who has two overs and there is also a good possibility that you could be dominated by a higher pocket pair who is going to really jam the pot if you reraise. If you are going to raise I would go big like maybe $20 to try and steal it there or at least represent a big pair and hit it hard again no matter what flops. I think this could be a profitable move depending what kind of players you are facing...takes a lot of guts though and you would need a tight image to make it very effective. This is probably the move I would make with AA as I want to get heads up with someone and do not want to get into a pot with 3 other players.
 
8ChicagoTRS
      ID: 07371014
      Mon, Aug 16, 2004, 15:26 		Look at a couple different flop scenarios:

A. Flop comes K-10-9 rainbow.

B. Flop comes A-J-4 rainbow.

C. Flop comes 9-7-2 (2) diamonds.

Flop A. has the initial bettor checking, one of the callers raises $7.

Flop B. has the initial bettor betting a pot size bet of $20, everyone folds to you.

Flop C. has the initial bettor betting $5 and one caller to you.
 
9Matt G
      ID: 14658311
      Mon, Aug 16, 2004, 20:56 		I'm going to be playing poker this Saturday in AC, hopefully not taking as bad a beat as last time... I'll chronicle my playing and bring the highlights here...

 
10Promize
      ID: 19742168
      Tue, Aug 17, 2004, 10:58 		Ok question, yesterday I'm playing at the 6man Texas Holdem Table...

Having a pretty good day, up $170... Cards going my way.

Have one of those types of players who think they know everything, and wild sparatic better... Also, had already taken about 70 from him...

So I have QhTh...

Flop comes :

2h 8c 5s

He bets $5

I say to myself, well, his luck is really bad, my guess he is buying the pot. So I stay in, I figured got a chance for flush. (snall at that)

Turn comes Qc

He then bets $8, I'm like, humm.. Possible pocket K's? So I go all in, see if he was bluffing, try to buy the pot. He calls all in as well.

The river comes 10s

So I end up 2 pairs Q's and T's

He flops over his cards, K J off suit

He then proceeds to curse me out, yelling at me for even playing the hand with nothing.. Even though he had nothing as well.

I'm like WTF?

So what is your opinion, do you call the original $5? This sparatic player, that hasn't landed anything for awhile, and you have already taken 3/4 of his money? I was very lucky yesterday, hitting the cards, I also one a 3 table tourney.
 
11ChicagoTRS
      ID: 07371014
      Tue, Aug 17, 2004, 11:34 		Promize...After the Q hits I probably stay in against the maniac...but personally I probably do not call the initial $5 bet. While I agree there is a good chance he is trying to steal I also know I do not have anything either. Personally I like waiting these people out and wait until I have decent cards to fight back. I try to be patient with the maniacs and maybe let them steal a few pots but I figure their money will be coming over to my seat sooner or later ;-)

I have gotten in trouble in the past getting a good read on a maniac and knowing they are bluffing but then failing to take into account my own cards which might not even be able to beat a bluff. Like in your case where you have a Q high and he has a K...if your Q does not hit you probably have to fold and you threw away at least $5. Another rule I live by is never try and bluff the loose maniac (at least until you have beat him on a few few big pots with good cards...hopefully forcing him to scare a little)...they are a loose maniac they will not fold. I love players who always think you are bluffing.
 
12ChicagoTRS
      ID: 07371014
      Tue, Aug 17, 2004, 11:45 		Hand of the night last night:

I was on the wrong end of this one...

I have A-2 diamonds...limp in or small raise. Q-4-5 flop the 4-5 are diamonds. Small bet...a few players & I call. Turn is a random crap card...more small bets. River is the 6 of diamonds giving me the A high flush. I am first to bet and bet $6 about half the pot at this point...trying to trap. Decent player who can be loose aggressive at times raises to $18. I raise to $40...he puts me all-in for about $50 more...well at this point I know longer feel very good about my hand...smells like a straight flush. I know this player fears me some as he has seen me take some big pots and have played him often. Should have folded but I didn't and sure enough he flips 7-8 diamonds. Down ~$100 on that hand. Find it very hard to let go of these type hands even facing a huge bet...something to work on...sometimes people do have the 2 perfect cards.

Too bad I didn't have the bottom end of the straight flush as it would have triggered the progressive bad beat jackpot and would have paid me ~$300+.

Ended up the night exactly even...waste of time but always good to come back after being down and did earn enough player points for a $20 bonus.
 
13Promize
      ID: 19742168
      Tue, Aug 17, 2004, 12:02 		Shame...

The Bad Beat Jackpot on PartyPoker right now is $13000 about..
 
14Species
      Leader
      ID: 07724916
      Tue, Aug 17, 2004, 12:13 		TRS #12 - I wouldn't have been able to lay that hand down, but the story reminds me of one hand at the $3/$6 table at the local casino. In the end the K J 10 9 of hearts were all on the table and everyone but 2 have folded after the 4th heart came on the river.

A guy I've seen play a lot - loves to have what I call a pool rack in front of him (15 stacks shaped in a triangle) has bet and been raised by another player. The guy who originally bet has the Ace of hearts. He studies the guy, talks to him for a minute before showing the ace of hearts and tossing it. Sure enough, the guy had the Queen for nearly a royal flush.

I guess the only "criticism" I could have is that it was only $6 to call a huge pot (let's say it was like $70+) - with pot odds and the ace high flush it seems INSANE to fold. But how freakin' impressive was it that his read was dead on?
 
15On_the_85th_year
      ID: 457421411
      Tue, Aug 17, 2004, 12:56 		"Find it very hard to let go of these type hands even facing a huge bet"

Are you kidding? Nothing you can do, horrible, horrible luck. You had to call.
 
16ChicagoTRS
      ID: 07371014
      Tue, Aug 17, 2004, 16:25 		Probably right I had to make the call...I guess that is why I did...especially with no pair on board and him needing two cards to make his straight flush. If it is only one card to the straight flush then it becomes a scenario where I might fold or at least only call his initial raise.
 
17Matt G
      ID: 19554168
      Tue, Aug 17, 2004, 16:35 		Fact of the matter is you had him beat until the river... you played that hand perfectly IMHO.

A2 suited I would of went in, as soon as the 45 hits and this guy gets agressive, my first read would be the flush. Whenever there are suited connectors on the board I'm thinking flush for anyone who stays in, i rarely play for the straight though.

Problem was, he had it too and your flush beats all except the straight, you had to play it. The odds of the straight flush are slim... you don't throw away that hand no matter what.

Good play Chicago, bad beat though.
 
18TaRhEElKiD
      ID: 40612721
      Tue, Aug 17, 2004, 16:40 		Found a website for find pokergames around here. Going to Norman (about 20 minutes away) for a NL $1/$2 table with max buy in of $100. If that table is not available they also run a $1/$2 spread limit (2-10) Hold 'Em game.

Finally...LIVE PLAY!!!

THK
 
19beastiemiked
      Sustainer
      ID: 03531815
      Tue, Aug 17, 2004, 17:48 		A. Flop comes K-10-9 rainbow.

B. Flop comes A-J-4 rainbow.

C. Flop comes 9-7-2 (2) diamonds.

Flop A. has the initial bettor checking, one of the callers raises $7.

Fold. Initial bettor could be setting a trap while the caller that raises could be as well with the 1/2 pot sized bet.

Flop B. has the initial bettor betting a pot size bet of $20, everyone folds to you.

A very tough situation. You have to ask yourself, would he call or raise a reraise with AK or AQ? If the answer is yes then I'd raise it to $50. If the answer is no, I'd just call.

Flop C. has the initial bettor betting $5 and one caller to you.

Much stickier than situation 2. Against 2 other opponents holding a hand that is beat by AA,KK,QQ,99,77,22. I don't think call is an option. There are way too many cards that could fall on the turn that are scare cards and only 1 or 2 that could improve your hand. The $5 bet by the solid player scares me as he's almost begging someone with an overpair to raise it. Not sure if I would do it everytime but I think I would fold in this particular situation.
 
20rockafellerskank
      Dude
      ID: 27652109
      Tue, Aug 17, 2004, 22:41 		Hey! I've been playing for a long time at the casinos in AZ, but I'm tired of driving out there are waiting for a table. I prefer playing live for larger stakes, but woudn't mind playing some smaller stakes online to sharpen my game.

Can i geta recommendation (or 2 or 3) on a solid Internet site?

A few quick questions. How do you add funds? Check, wire transfer, CC? Any experience from anyone (good or bad) about getting paid out? If anyone can geta referal if i sign up, Id be happy to use your name.

Thanks.
 
21 ChicagoTRS
      ID: 117171722
      Tue, Aug 17, 2004, 23:35 		rfs...funding...probably the preferred way is to open a free checking account with a local bank and then transfer money to netteller and then to the site of your choice. It is worth trying your credit cards on netteller but most of the major CCs block transactions to netteller.

I play at one of the medium size sites and would be more than happy to refer you (email me). The reason I play at this site is basically because of a referral and I really have saw no reason to leave the site as I have won consistently, their software is solid, they pay my withdrawals quickly, they always have games at the limits I am looking for, there are a lot of free tournaments, decent bonuses occasionally (example this month they give you $20 for every 300 raked hands you are a part of), and I like the medium size site as I see a lot of the same people nightly and have gotten some good reads. Generally 2000-3000 people on the site at any one time.

Sign up bonuses: deposit bonus of $50, free entry into $5K rookie freeroll, I think they still have the 300 raked hands = $20 bonus going on for new players (up to $200).

If anyone else would like to try out the site email me and I will send a referral. With all of the bonuses going on right now it is hard to go wrong if you have some skills. I will also donate $10 to guru for each successful referral.
 
22rockafellerskank
      Dude
      ID: 27652109
      Wed, Aug 18, 2004, 00:24 		I actually got on partypoker.com I'm up about $150 after 1 hour of play at the $5/$10 tables. So far so good.

I may e-mail you, I'm not opposed to signing up at more than 1 site.
 
23Promize
      ID: 19742168
      Wed, Aug 18, 2004, 10:18 		Man, had another guy today... How do you play against someone like this...

He played every single hand.. 23 47 whatever... and worse part about it, he landed almost every hand with atleast a pair.. Even with AK, it was hard to play against him... I finaly just had to leave..
 
24Promize
      ID: 19742168
      Wed, Aug 18, 2004, 10:29 		Sometimes, you just gotta love the river...

---------------------------------
***** Hand History for Game 856061514 *****
Table Table 14290 (6 max) (Real Money)
Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 1: Funxxxx ( $56.15 )
Seat 8: Fizzeleppa ( $66.85 )
Seat 6: promize ( $62.1 )
Seat 10: MrFredinDC ( $45.95 )
Seat 3: Spak1 ( $64.06 )
Seat 5: MittMesculin ( $49.85 )
MrFredinDC posts small blind [$0.5].
Funxxxx posts big blind [$1].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to promize [ Ad Ah ]
MittMesculin calls [$1].
promize calls [$1].
Fizzeleppa folds.
MrFredinDC calls [$0.5].
Funxxxx checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 3d, 2d, 3s ]
MrFredinDC bets [$2].
Funxxxx folds.
MittMesculin calls [$2].
promize calls [$2].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 2h ]
MrFredinDC checks.
MittMesculin checks.
promize checks.
** Dealing River ** [ As ]
MrFredinDC checks.
MittMesculin bets [$5].
promize raises [$10].
MrFredinDC folds.
MittMesculin raises [$20].
promize raises [$30].
MittMesculin is all-In.
promize calls [$6.85].
promize shows [ Ad, Ah ] a full house, Aces full of threes.
MittMesculin doesn't show [ Js, 3c ] a full house, Threes full of twos.
promize wins $101.70 from the main pot with a full house, Aces full of threes.
MittMesculin has left the table.
 
25TaRhEElKiD
      ID: 40612721
      Wed, Aug 18, 2004, 17:18 		RFS-
Small stakes are $5/$10! Shessh...nice.

THK
 
26Promize
      ID: 19742168
      Wed, Aug 18, 2004, 21:08 		Other then the standard play cards, what combination do you play, even though you know it isn't a good combination to play? I mean what seems to win for you a few times more then it should?

I play K2 quite a bit, for some reason I get very lucky with it... don't know why, but seems to come up alot onthe flops...
 
27ChicagoTRS
      ID: 117171722
      Thu, Aug 19, 2004, 01:15 		I don't really have a junk combination. Sometimes I will play "any two" when in the dealer position.

The one hand that has been exceptionally good to me is pocket Js. A hand a lot of hold'em players do not care for.
 
28leggestand
      Sustainer
      ID: 451036518
      Thu, Aug 19, 2004, 11:29 		I play Q 3 red suited. I have had it 3 times, played each time, and won each time. Got a flush twice and a full house once. I do better with that hand than AA :)
 
29eugene
      ID: 37431712
      Thu, Aug 19, 2004, 11:45 		TRS Does your site take depositing by western union?
 
30ChicagoTRS
      ID: 07371014
      Thu, Aug 19, 2004, 12:13 		eugene...do not see western union as an option to deposit directly to the poker room...but probably one of the third party companies like firepay or netteller accept western union.

email me and I will send you a link to everything...
 
31Promize
      ID: 19742168
      Thu, Aug 19, 2004, 12:20 		I could never get Netteller to work with my password! So I gave up...

 
32Matt G
      ID: 19554168
      Thu, Aug 19, 2004, 12:22 		I like to play 10 5 suited a lot... just seem to get lucky with it
 
33Species
      Leader
      ID: 07724916
      Thu, Aug 19, 2004, 13:21 		Re: #24 - shame on that chump for not betting his set of 3's on either the flop (just called a $2 bet) or the river. With a low set like that you have to try to bet out any draws, don't you?
 
34ChicagoTRS
      ID: 07371014
      Thu, Aug 19, 2004, 13:30 		#24 I am not sure...I think the slow play at the turn is not terrible...he has to know he has the best hand at that point with very few outs for everyone else. If I have the J3 the ace at the end would not have scared me because it is hard to put someone on pocket AA with no betting/raising taking place early. I can't find much fault in the J3s play...just got unlucky...if anything he might have wanted to bet them at least a little to get some money in the pot so he might get some calls on the river.

IMO the worst part of the hand is allowing others to limp in against the pocket aces...dangerous play. I guess worked to perfection in this case but almost backfired as the J3 should have never been in the hand to catch in the first place.
 
35Promize
      ID: 19742168
      Thu, Aug 19, 2004, 13:34 		Didn't make much since to me either Species... I am not sure what I would of done even if he went all in on the flop... Pocket Aces are pocket aces, but considering he was playing so slow... I figured what the hell.. I am gonna either lose big on the slow play, or win big with the big pocket...

When that Ace flopped on the river, my eyes brightened up for sure...

3J, it wasn't like his kicker was small either...


 
36Matt G
      ID: 19554168
      Thu, Aug 19, 2004, 13:48 		I like to play on small pair, for some reason ive had good luck on that and hitting a set on the flop... If i hit a set of 3s on the flop, rarely do I slow play, especially if there is a high card out there, ill play like i have that set.... Tends to bring me a lot of pots early in live play, but on the net i get screwed a lot... two different mind sets and reads
 
37Species
      Leader
      ID: 07724916
      Thu, Aug 19, 2004, 14:32 		TRS #34 - I agree that I doubt I would ever not raise pre-flop with AA - but the pre-flop raise seems to scare off less people online than it does in live play. Of course in late position you'll get more "crap, I might as well call I already have my money in" calls too both online and live.

That point presents an interesting question - with a pre-flop raise does the guy with J3s call at that point after being raised by the hand to their left? And if that's the case, Promize probably takes down a $15 pot instead of a $101.70 pot! lol
 
38ChicagoTRS
      ID: 07371014
      Thu, Aug 19, 2004, 14:37 		Agreed in this case it worked to perfection but it just as easily could have backfired (I have seen it happen too many times to slow played AA)...if the J3 bets it is very hard to laydown pocket AA...and if the river A does not fall Promize ends up losing a nice size pot to a hand that should not be in the pot. I guess a risk reward type thing...in this case the risk paid off...
 
39Promize
      ID: 19742168
      Fri, Aug 20, 2004, 16:50 		Another lucky hand today... Imagine my surprise when I saw the 5 come out.

***** Hand History for Game 863112235 *****
Table Table 14119 (6 max) (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 3: MANATEN ( $81.65 )
Seat 5: msovacpa ( $1011.4 )
Seat 1: promize ( $43.4 )
Seat 10: smdrive2222 ( $20.2 )
Seat 8: sponge72 ( $19.5 )
Seat 6: meeshka16 ( $50 )
MANATEN posts small blind [$0.5].
msovacpa posts big blind [$1].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to promize [ 5h 5s ]
sponge72 raises [$5].
smdrive2222 calls [$5].
promize calls [$5].
MANATEN folds.
msovacpa folds.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 5c, Kc, Ah ]
sponge72 is all-In.
smdrive2222 is all-In.
promize calls [$15.2].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 2s ]
** Dealing River ** [ 8h ]
sponge72 shows [ Kh, Ad ] two pairs, aces and kings.
smdrive2222 shows [ Ac, Ks ] two pairs, aces and kings.
promize shows [ 5h, 5s ] three of a kind, fives.
promize wins $1.40 from side pot #1 with three of a kind, fives.
promize wins $58 from the main pot with three of a kind, fives.
msovacpa has left the table.
 
40ChicagoTRS
      ID: 07371014
      Fri, Aug 20, 2004, 17:35 		That is a classic hand a small pocket pair vs AK. You were lucky to get up against 2 AKs. Double your pleasure and made it a lot less likely they would catch the one A or K that was left.
 
41TaRhEElKiD
      ID: 40612721
      Sat, Aug 21, 2004, 18:40 		Something I thought many would find useful:

Home Poker Pages

Now the link is on Oklahoma right now because that is where I am located, but there is a right hand column where you can click on your respective state and see if there are any games near you. You can also post your e-mail at the bottom and you WILL recieve responses. Various games to be found and different limits, etc.

I am going to a ring game in Norman (about 45 minutes South) to play $1/$2 blinds either NL or spread limit 2-10 (depends on which table has open spots). Going around 7 CST and will be home around 2 CST. I will let everyone knows how it went later on.

THK
 
42Promize
      ID: 19742168
      Sun, Aug 22, 2004, 10:36 		Not sure this is happening on other poker sites, but some people are going room to room asking for $50.00 being transfered to their account, and they will pay it back on Friday.. I know no one on Rotoguru is that dumb to fall for this scam... But thought I would give you all a heads up ...
 
43Promize
      ID: 19742168
      Sun, Aug 22, 2004, 12:05 		ok a newb question, what does "tilt" mean?
 
44TaRhEElKiD
      ID: 40612721
      Sun, Aug 22, 2004, 13:54 		"Tilt" means most likely you have taken a bad beat and are starting to play cards you shouldn't or using bad betting methods.

THK
 
45TaRhEElKiD
      ID: 40612721
      Sun, Aug 22, 2004, 14:10 		Ok, so 3 friends and I joined a game I found on the above website last night. I recieved $10 for each new player I brought, so I was up $30 before I played a hand! ;-)

Memorable wins (good thing, because not many losses):

*Sitting at the $1/$2 NL table with give or take $110 (bought in for 80 + the 30 bonus). Limp in in late position with J9s with only 3 callers. Flop comes 99K. BB bets $20, I raise him ALL IN (this guy is a loose cannon and not a great player). He calls with K7, HAHAHA. I turn over my J9 and take down my first big pot. Now I sit with about $200 (the other player buys in for more).

*I am dwindling... Most flops are very expensive to see (seems $12 was the norm). Seen some here and there will only solid cards, but beyond the flop seen nothing. Dealt 88 in late position. I raise $10. 5 callers! 427 flops (2 hearts). I bet $20. All but 1 fold. The guy raises me all-in and at this point I thought I had the best hand because I thought I had this guy figured out. Well I call and I was right. He has Q7 in the big blind. 1 problem, he has 14 VERY SCARY outs. 3 Qs, 2 7s, and 9 hearts in the deck that will help him bust me. AK of diamonds comes on the river and turn and I take down my next pot (other player buys in more).
----
We move over tables because we are down to just 8-9 guys still playing.

*Dealt KK, the only pocket pair I saw above 8s all night. I raise $10. Re-raised $20 more. I re-raise him $30 more and he shows TT and folds.

*Dealt 22. Bet $2 for the 2s. Flop comes 642. I am dancing but just bet $4. 1 player raises to 8 and I call hoping to trap. 6 comes on the turn. I KNOW I have the best hand right now (just did). I check and he bets $15. I raise him to $60 (had my original $80 left). He started the play with his chips and I put on a show. 35 for $2 more since he was in the BB? I asked... Well he raises me $65 more (puts himself all in). I immediately call with my Full House and he turns over 35 for the straight. He is drawing 100% dead on the river and I take home a $300 pot.

Later on, I had to take a friend home so we left at about 1 (about 30 min drive too). I cash out for $300 even (leave a $7 tip for the house). Up $220 on the night and feeling damn good!

THK
 
46Species
      ID: 26471422
      Sun, Aug 22, 2004, 17:10 		SWEET THK! Isn't live the best?

I played at my local club last night as well at my usual $3-6 limit. I must've had big slick 3 times and didn't win freakin' once! It seemed like I was catching straights a lot -- of course half the time it's after I folded! That's damn dangerous when you miss a couple of straights that you folded, because you start chasing and that can be BAD news.

Hand of the night.....before the cards are dealt, one guy raises in the dark to $6 before seeing his cards. I get dealt JJ and think "cool, I don't have to raise and a lot of people might call because the guy raised dark". I was right, there were 5 callers. Flop comes J 8 7 rainbow. Bet to me, I raise. Re-raise, I cap to $12 and it's me and one dude. Turn comes crap and I check to the other dude. He bets, I raise him all in. He turns over 10 9 for the straight and I'm pissed......calls $6 with that? Dealer prepares to deal the river "Pair the board!" I say. BOOM.......7 and I take down a huge pot with my jacks over 7's full house. I apologize to the guy and shrug my shoulders, but in reality I'm hopping up and down inside because it's about time.

Was up maybe $120 when I get moved to the main table. In 20 mins I was then up like $340! Got a couple bad (not horrible) beats and left the table up $256 to beat THK's night! ;-)
 
47TaRhEElKiD
      ID: 40612721
      Sun, Aug 22, 2004, 17:15 		Nice Species! Live is much much better. I honestly am not sure I called a river bet and lost the entire night. Made some good reads... 1 pot I was pissed about:

had 33 but somebody raised $10 and I folded. I told the guy next to me that if a 3 comes I am going to go crazy. Flop comes 5T3 (of course). Initial raiser bets to the other guy in...I told the guy next to me we have this guy here betting with QQs and my trips would have destroyed him. Well long story short the initial better takes down the pot with QQs and 55s (board paired), while I missed out on my full boat! ;-(

THK
 
48beastiemiked
      Sustainer
      ID: 03531815
      Mon, Aug 23, 2004, 09:50 		The guy raises me all-in and at this point I thought I had the best hand because I thought I had this guy figured out. Well I call and I was right. He has Q7 in the big blind. 1 problem, he has 14 VERY SCARY outs. 3 Qs, 2 7s, and 9 hearts in the deck that will help him bust me. AK of diamonds comes on the river and turn and I take down my next pot (other player buys in more).

He was actually the slight favorite after the flop with the flush draw and overcard to your pocket pair.
 
49ChicagoTRS
      ID: 23717238
      Mon, Aug 23, 2004, 12:41 		I got to play some rare "live" poker this weekend in a home game.

.25 - .50 - 1.00 stakes. Dealers choice...no wild card games but a lot of different games. I was mostly playing Omaha and Razz on my deals...and actually made a majority of my money on those two games. I figured those were two games that I understood well and Omaha gave me a nice advantage from the dealer position. Plus I think Omaha is very hard for inexperienced players who do not understand the value of their hands in Omaha (a pair is not normally a very good hand to go to showdown with...lol). Ended up the big winner for the night...tripling my initial buy-in. Probably cost me money as I would have likely made more playing online but was still fun to play with actual people and work on my reading skills.

Played some kind of fun games...5 card draw "Jacks and Trips" - need jacks or better to open, at least trips to win, built some nice pots in that game. "Kings row" 5 card up game that takes a pair of kings or better to win. "Criss cross" kind of like holdem either 2 or 4 cards in your hand and then basically a cross type flop where you can only use the cards in one direction. "Black Mariah" seven card stud where the queen of spades up starts the hand over/redeal, plus the lowest hidden spade splits the pot.
 
50biliruben
      ID: 441182916
      Mon, Aug 23, 2004, 13:34 		We don't invite people like you back, Chicago. ;)

If people consistently win their deals on games most people don't know, well, that's what the pool's for.
 
51biliruben
      ID: 441182916
      Mon, Aug 23, 2004, 13:38 		In other words, sometimes it's prudent to let the Wookie win.
 
52Species
      Leader
      ID: 07724916
      Mon, Aug 23, 2004, 15:05 		TRS: Ended up the big winner for the night...tripling my initial buy-in. Probably cost me money as I would have likely made more playing online but was still fun to play with actual people and work on my reading skills.

I found this comment interesting, and it's timing conincides with the first time I got to opening TRS' spreadsheet for tracking poker winnings last night. It was an eye-opener to an extent, as TRS' spread had DAILY lines for poker play, including the number of hours with seperate columns that tally up your take for the month, # of hours, $$ made per hour, etc.

In the books I've read (which is only 1 and a half so far - I need to finish the Sklansky one I'm reading) of course they compare poker to a job and stress how you MUST keep track of your play and that your goal is to win so much per hour, etc. But admittedly seeing his spread - the detail, etc was a bit of an eye opener - and then this comment that he seemed disappointed in tripling his stack added to it.

Obviously TRS is serious about what he does (and highly successful!) and quite simply is a few years ahead of me in his poker playing 'life'. I am still at the infancy of my poker playing and am learning, studying, watching, and thankfully still winning overall. Speaking of still learning - a gal made an interesting comment to me Saturday night. I had the nut straight and she bet after the river. I raised. She said "I can tell through your poker face that you've got something -- I guess I'll see what" and she called. I won.

That brings up something - when I play and I am in a hand, when it is my turn to act I typically try to stare at the cards on the table - the hope being that a stare at the cards will lower physical tells. I'm afraid if I look people in the eye I might smirk, blink - some kind of physical tell. Of course I am watching the other players as THEY act/bet, but at this point in my poker life I'm more worried about GIVING tells than I am reading them.

Quasi - topic for discussion:
What do you guys do when you play? Stare at others? Talk it up? Stare blankly? What tells do you look for from others? Any other live-play tips on tells?
 
53biliruben
      ID: 441182916
      Mon, Aug 23, 2004, 15:10 		Talk, joke, do shots. For me this is for fun, not a job.

This makes me recall a study I once read where women were better at reading non-verbal language then men are. I wonder, if the interest were the same, if women would dominate to top ranks of poker players?

However, I also have read women are generally more risk-averse, so perhaps that limits them in both the interest as well as the ability to make the "right" call when the stakes are high.

Any women players out there?
 
54ChicagoTRS
      ID: 23717238
      Mon, Aug 23, 2004, 15:14 		Honestly I bought in for $20 and was only up about $10-$20 for most of the night until the last half hour when I picked up about 3 big pots in a row and everyone called it a night at basically my high point. I actually won most of my money off the better players at the table after they had picked off the weak players. It was a friendly game...I play in a holdem home tournament with the same people a few times a year. I felt like I was at the same disadvantage when they started playing all of their odd home games.

Omaha is a very fun home game because #1 it is a real game that even seasoned players accept. #2 you often make big hands and get big showdowns. Fun when a one person has a full house, another has a flush, and another has a straight and everyone thinks they probably have the best hand.
 
55ChicagoTRS
      ID: 23717238
      Mon, Aug 23, 2004, 16:14 		Species...you are correct it is 'sort' of a part time job for me. I am kind of a stats freak...always have been...thus my love of baseball and fantasy sports...poker also fits right in that love. The spreadsheet serves a lot of purposes...I started it initially just because of reading the same books as you but I couldn't do without it now. When on a bad streak it is helpful to look back at all of the past successes and realize if I play my game I will get back on track. Also hopefully tracks my growth as a player and hopefully I will get better the more I play. Need most of the info for Uncle Sam when he gets his 'rake'. I also feel it keeps me 'honest'...I know exactly what I win or lose it is all in black and white. So many gamblers fall into the trap of always thinking they win more than they win and lose less than they actually lose. I can tell you to the dollar what I have won. Actually a lot of players keep a lot more detailed stats...I know people who keep a history of every hand they play. (pokertracker.com software)

I make a decent 2nd income playing poker. If I wasn't winning I would not be playing. Where can I find another part-time job that pays me $20+ per hour, lets me set my own hours, lets me take days off whenever I want, can drink a beer doing it, no dress code, it is something I absolutely enjoy doing, it does not take away from my family life as I can do it on my schedule, plus it has a certain amount of cool factor built in. At this point I feel it is sort of a life skill I can always fall back on if I need some money. I really enjoy spending money but will not do it unwisely (going into debt etc...) so I figure Poker provides me with my toy/vacation/project fund. My real job takes care of all of the bills and retirement.

Experience…I started playing Jan 1st of this year so I am not really that experienced. Was kind of a new years resolution to see how successful I could be playing poker...call it an investment.

I guess my point of this post is I would encourage anyone to pick up a book and read it and then invest some money in trying to learn and be successful at the game. I think if you are a successful fantasy sports player, poker is not all that different. It is a game that some people are good at and plenty of people are not. Poker is not like any other casino game as you play against the other players and not the house...good poker players consistently win.

There is some stigma to playing poker as some people frown on gambling and are afraid you are going to lose a lot of money but personally I have not even had close to a losing month or even a losing week. I would have to lose a lot of money to get back to where I started and even then if I lost it all I would only be down $50...that was my initial and only deposit.
 
56ChicagoTRS
      ID: 23717238
      Mon, Aug 23, 2004, 16:15 		Nice free Full Tilt poker T-shirt and hat. Just answer some trivia and email a few articles to people should give you enough chips to qualify for the free gear.

http://www.pokerinathens.com/main.php
 
57TaRhEElKiD
      ID: 40612721
      Tue, Aug 24, 2004, 23:41 		Sportscenter just ran something about kids gambling! ;-)

THK
 
58J
      Leader
      ID: 049346417
      Wed, Aug 25, 2004, 09:21 		Here's my little contribution (slash) story for this thread.

Still playing every Tuesday night at this bar (free to play, its just to win house cash, which i usually do)

I got screwed at least twice. First time, when we went from 3 tables to 2, the very first hand at this new table, I'm right next to the dealer. I had just a few chips, got dealt an K-9 and went all in. First couple of guys folded, the F^*^*ing dealer TOOK MY CARDS!!!!! He said, sorry, dont leave them there. WTF? They were right in front of me...don't take them. I tried to just tell him what I had, but he said no, I had to just fold it. So pissed. i'm sure I would've won the blinds, the last 2 guys stayed in but didnt have anything worth calling me on.

Second time - and this leads up to the next hand where I get screwed - I managed to make it to the final table. (We start with about 24 people, now I'm in the final 6 or 7...top 5 get house cash). This guy gets dealt a pair of 3s and goes all in. Everyone folds, except the guy next to me calls, he's got JJ. The flop comes down, nothing for anyone, then a 3 on the turn. How do you go all in there with a pair of 3s? This retard won a LOT of money with it though. The guy next to me is PISSED.

Very next hand, I got dealt A-10, not many chips again, so I go all in before the flop. Everyone folds until that same pair of 3's guy calls me. He's got a Q-7. Flop comes, nothing for anyone. The guy next to me is still fuming over the pair of 3's. He keeps saying, "you know he's getting the Q on the river". Turn comes up, its nothing. The river...you got it...a queen. So pissed. The end.

Still had fun though, can't beat the free entertainment and I'm still in the "I'm learning" phase of all this poker stuff.
 
59beastiemiked
      Sustainer
      ID: 03531815
      Wed, Aug 25, 2004, 09:38 		This guy gets dealt a pair of 3s and goes all in. Everyone folds, except the guy next to me calls, he's got JJ. The flop comes down, nothing for anyone, then a 3 on the turn. How do you go all in there with a pair of 3s? This retard won a LOT of money with it though. The guy next to me is PISSED.

Depending on how many chip he has, going all-in with pocket 3's isn't that bad of an idea. If he's one of the shorter stacks yet still has a decent stack he could possibly get hands that dominate him(such as pocket 5's or pocket 6's) to fold. Now if he was in the top 3 in chips it wasn't a smart play, but if he's one of the shorter stacks I have no problem with that play especially with only 6 or 7 people left at the table.
 
60ChicagoTRS
      ID: 23717238
      Wed, Aug 25, 2004, 11:59 		Any pocket pair is not a bad hand to make a last stand with...you just hope you do not run into a bigger pocket pair. He did run into a bigger pair and just got very lucky to draw his miracle 3. Pocket pairs are basically a coin flip 50-50 vs overcards...so not a bad hand to get your money in when you are short stacked.

As for dealer mucking your cards...it is a basic rule that you are responsible for protecting your cards. Most players place a chip or some other marker on their cards to prevent the dealer from mucking them.
 
61Matt G
      ID: 19554168
      Wed, Aug 25, 2004, 12:58 		didn't make it to AC this weekend was in the hospital after a drunken bar fight, not fun... anyhow I may be playing tomorrow night, not sure yet.
 
62On_the_85th_year
      ID: 457421411
      Wed, Aug 25, 2004, 13:31 		re: 58 Lucky you learned that you have to "protect" your hand at a free game. It's your responsibility to protect, with either your hand, lucky charm or chips. I've seen guys lose hands at major tourneys and large cash games. Like you said you are in the learning phase. good luck.
 
63J
      Leader
      ID: 049346417
      Wed, Aug 25, 2004, 13:42 		I've noticed people using chips over their cards, guess now I know why. I just didnt think a dealer would be that agressive to take away my cards unless its obvious I was folding. I know he heard me say I was all in. He even announced to the table that I was all in!!! Then after 2 people folded, he took my cards too. Bleh! Still pissed, but its definitely a good thing it was a free to play game :)
 
64Species
      Leader
      ID: 07724916
      Wed, Aug 25, 2004, 13:42 		I do not get a hard on when I get a pocket pair unless it's 10's or better. For me if I don't make my set on the flop I will rarely stay in if there's a raise - if it's a minimum bet I'll stay in and hope I hit it on the turn.

Re: Bad beats - I continue to live by the philosophy that you are going to win some and you are going to lose some. In a general sense I believe in karma and feel that these things even out over time. I will get lucky and take down a pot I didn't necessarily deserve, and vice-versa. You can't go nuts just because you got a bad beat.

I think bad beats are amplified on all-in situations. If you had the advantage when the cards are turned over, any loss is a bad beat. But, in a situation like mine in post #46 - in that case he went all-in with his straight after the turn. He had the advantage.......but if he had more money (I wouldn't have re-raised at that point) he would have been MORE screwed after the river and I would've taken a LOT more from him. Is it a bad beat on the river when you haven't shown your hands? Yeah sorta, but not really - because all of the possible hands are out there, and if you don't take into account that you could have the 2nd best possible hand, then it's not really a bad beat.
 
65Matt G
      ID: 19554168
      Wed, Aug 25, 2004, 15:25 		I'm playing tomorrow with a bunch of people who never played before, this could be good or bad... good because i could play straight up and hammer them, or bad cause i could play straight up and get hammered.... I'll have to see how the cards are falling and what is winning...wouldnt be surprised if a few 2 7's off suit get played hehehe
 
66KnicksFan
      Donor
      ID: 30815418
      Wed, Aug 25, 2004, 15:41 		I'm going on Friday to play at a casino for the first time (Turning Stone Casino, near Syracuse). I'll probably play on the $1-$3 Limit tables. I'm not used to playing limit poker...any tips?
 
67beastiemiked
      Sustainer
      ID: 03531815
      Wed, Aug 25, 2004, 15:46 		Play tight if the table is loose. Don't play if the table is tight.
 
68Matt G
      ID: 19554168
      Thu, Aug 26, 2004, 10:26 		I'm imagining that this table will be really loose as it is a bunch of new comers... last time i played a loose table i played VERY tight and got beaten badly... this will be another learning experience
 
69ChicagoTRS
      ID: 23717238
      Thu, Aug 26, 2004, 12:26 		I believe the key of playing a very loose table - is to play tighter than the rest of the table in your opening hand requirements but when you are in a hand raise and raise often. When you make a hand raise...raise...raise...you want to get the best of it when you get your chances. Also suited connectors go up in value at loose tables...those straights and even low flushes can pay off big...limp in with them and hope to catch a good flop.

If you are always opening with better cards than the rest of the table it should pay off in the long run. If you find people catching on to your strategy and you actually get some folding when you raise change gears and begin to bluff and steals some pots...maybe even show a winning bluff to induce some later action.

Disclaimer: anything can happen in a single session...players may catch miracle cards every hand against you. When these things happen people tend to get off of their game and start playing the same junk cards as the rest of the table...I think this is the exact wrong thing to do...always play a solid game.
 
70Matt G
      ID: 19554168
      Thu, Aug 26, 2004, 16:14 		Chicago I completely agree... play one way till you win that way on a loose table... if you are playing a loose table the better cards will eventually win more, thats how ive seen it... when the table catches on, bluff a few times and show them you bluffed... next monster you get push as much in as possible and take it down big... thats my strategy for tonight we will see how it goes...ill take notes as to what happens.
 
71KnicksFan
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      ID: 30815418
      Thu, Aug 26, 2004, 18:09 		Just for play money, but this hand was really cool; my 4 Kings take down a full house of Aces over Kings...


Texas Hold'em $100-$200 NL (play money), hand #295,768,364
Table Blue-Star's HE, 26 Aug 2004 6:00 PM ET

View hand for this table

Seat 1: pokerstud17 ($7,650 in chips)
Seat 2: ElonWins [ KS,KH ] ($4,628 in chips)
Seat 3: pokerfaced04 ($80,645 in chips)
Seat 4: deucer17 ($10,000 in chips)
Seat 5: ChaseT ($23,247 in chips)
Seat 6: SupaStar DJ ($850 in chips)
Seat 7: _Moody_Blue_ ($10,066 in chips)
Seat 8: vuamaohiem1 ($15,147 in chips)
Seat 9: efrainm ($2,798 in chips)
Seat 10: rainhead ($25,693 in chips)

ANTES/BLINDS
_Moody_Blue_ posts blind ($50), vuamaohiem1 posts blind ($100), deucer17 posts blind ($100), ChaseT posts blind ($100).

PRE-FLOP
efrainm calls $100, rainhead calls $100, pokerstud17 calls $100, ElonWins bets $600, pokerfaced04 folds, deucer17 bets $1,000, ChaseT folds, SupaStar DJ folds, _Moody_Blue_ folds, vuamaohiem1 folds, efrainm folds, rainhead folds, pokerstud17 folds, ElonWins bets $4,028 and is all-in, deucer17 calls $3,528.

FLOP [board cards KD,KC,8H ]


TURN [board cards KD,KC,8H,AS ]


RIVER [board cards KD,KC,8H,AS,9D ]


SHOWDOWN
ElonWins shows [ KS,KH ]
deucer17 shows [ AC,AD ]
ElonWins wins $9,803.
 
72MattG
      ID: 307592621
      Thu, Aug 26, 2004, 23:26 		I played flawless poker tonight... I played a 9 man $10 buy-in winner take all tourney... STarted at 6pm... $1500 in chips blinds started at 10-20 and doubled every 30 minutes until 100-200. I was playing a loose table, I could tell from the start, lots of crap getting played... Only 2 hands I wish I had back and neither factored in to the end result...

For the first 45 minutes or so I played slow, only going in and watching the flop reaction after 45 minutes I had everyone's style figured out, there were 2 guys playing REALLY tight a guy playing anything with paint a guy who played smart, but bluffed wrong all the time... and then 3 guys who were loose, one who played anything... but he was winning...

So I'm playing tight, taking down a hand here or there nothing big, I win 3 decent pots to put me in top 3 money wise... I'm SMALL blind we get 3 callers plus me and the Big 5 players... I have 6 7 suited deciding I'm gonna see what my rep looks like. Flop comes out... KC 9S 5C I now have an inside straight draw and a flush draw... In early position I check, Big blind bets, guy next to him raises we get a fold and Dealer Calls. I call big blind folds... So three players... I'm just hoping to bluff these guys out on the next card... Turn is the 8 of clubs... I now have my flush plus a potential of a straight flush if i get the 4C or 9C I'm up against 2 guys who only play internet, and are both short stacked... I'm about $100 up so I push all in... I get 2 callers... We decide to flip... Guy to my left has k6 off suit... guy to my right has AJ of clubs... as of right now I'm beat and thinking I'm going home early... River is my 4 of clubs.. I take down a huge pot Knocking out the first two players...

I now have double what anyone has at the table... but I'm playing smart... I get a 47 suited and I'm big blind so I limp in Flop is KQ7 Rainbow. Guy next to me bets heavy... I've read him all night so I'm thinking he made is set, I fold... big mistake... next card is a 4 and the river is a 7.. missed the boat.

So we are still playing and I get dealt K10 suited... one caller to my left. K69 comes out... I bet heavy, he calls, 10 comes out... I got all in he calls, he has K6 next two cards are junk... I have now knocked out the first 3 guys of the tourney...

Playing some more I get an A 10 off suit, I decide to slow play and drag my Boss in as he has been limping around all night and its getting anoying... I know he has something cause as soon as he looks at his cards he lights up a smoke... I call the big blind, we have 3 players, flop comes out AK9 Big blind Checks, I check, boss goes all in, big blind folds, I call... he has K9 I have A10, on the river comes my A and I take another down....

WE play some more and it gets down to final 3 we are now all in the money, I'm dealt AA these guys have been tight all game, if anyone goes more than doublt the blind, they fold... I double the blind, get one caller... Flop is A J 9 He bets heavy like $1000 I call next card comes out, its a J before the card is full on the table, he pushes all in, I look him in the eyes he is wearing sun glasses, I shake my head push my chips in and flip over my aces... Full boat Aces over J...

The very next hand, we are at final 2 I am dealt KK in the hole.... I call the big blind and flop comes up K97 he pushes in $500 I go all in he folds...

WE go back and fourth for a while I have like 6 times the chips he has... he takes 1 nice pot from me to put us almost even I have like5 peoples chips he has 4... We are basically playing the same game, waiting for something to budge... I keep taking down blinds trying to stack up so I can go all in and still have a respectable amount if I lose... Finally we both get a good hand... He raise the big blind $500 I call. I have AQ off suit flop comes out... 9KJ He pushes all in, Its almost 10pm and I got an hours drive home... I call... he has JK He has me by the throat... next card is junk, last card is a 10 I make my straight take all his chips and the money home...

Only hands I wish I had back were the 47 off suit folded but that was expected, and the one hand that he took me I went all in on a q8 off suit and I knew he had me beat from the start, just delayed the finish for another hour...

I only lost that one big pot..cards were coming my way...
 
73ChicagoTRS
      ID: 567242622
      Fri, Aug 27, 2004, 00:45 		Good job...had a couple lucky breaks but sounds like you played pretty solid. Generally the winner of any tournament has a couple breaks go there way. I would never regret folding 74o...

I had a hand that pissed me off tonight...QQ...flop comes all unders...I make a pot size bet...get two callers...figure I am still good...either on a draws or overs or top pair...turn an A...damn...not the card I wanted to see...both players come out betting and I fold my QQ...river is a Q...double damn...lots of betting...one player has two pair other has AK...would have been a nice win.
 
74ChicagoTRS
      ID: 567242622
      Fri, Aug 27, 2004, 00:54 		just had a great hand =)

A8 suited...limp in...about 6 people in the pot.

Flop comes 88Q rainbow...slow play, call .50 bet...player after me bets $10...3 next players call $10...damn I know we all do not have an 8...I push all-in...get two callers who call their stacks...i am a little worried...turn-river come nothing...I take down $186...triple me up =) one caller had 8-10 other had Q4.
 
75Matt G
      ID: 19554168
      Fri, Aug 27, 2004, 09:42 		The only reason I regret the 47 suited was I knew I was going to hit something, the guy did make his set on that hand, but I knew I'd hit something, it was a good read on his set... I didn't have the balls to push him out.

Funniest part of the night was when my boss started screaming that the guy with AJ suited had the nuts... then he realized the 4 made my straight flush... "He got the nuts, he got the nuts... oh SH!T..." Nobody wanted me to win since I was the youngest there... hehehe
 
76Species
      Leader
      ID: 07724916
      Fri, Aug 27, 2004, 15:37 		You have to love emails like this:

PokerStars Tournament #2476240, No Limit Hold'em
Buy-In: $15.00/$1.00
18 players
Total Prize Pool: $270.00
Tournament started - 2004/08/27 - 01:36:37 (ET)

Dear (me),

You finished the tournament in 1st place.
A $108.00 award has been credited to your Real Money account.

Congratulations!
Thank you for participating.


What's funny was that I LIMPED my way onto the final table with maybe $1000 in chips after a dumbass play of mine took 2/3 of my stack. Most at the table had $3,000, $4000 or more. I let them slug it out for a bit and thankfully survived a pair of all-ins to put me into respectability.
 
77Chuck
      Sustainer
      ID: 169212110
      Sat, Aug 28, 2004, 00:55 		My hand of the night:

PokerStars Game #647965078: Hold'em No Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2004/08/28 -
00:39:44 (ET)
Table 'Crux' Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: Here2Stay ($21.45 in chips)
Seat 2: 20nCrAzY ($19.25 in chips)
Seat 3: zonk22 ($16.50 in chips)
Seat 4: kevin7997 ($23.50 in chips)
Seat 5: Somdog78 ($10 in chips)
Seat 7: ijboipnoii ($15.50 in chips)
Seat 8: Chuck42181 ($35.05 in chips)
Seat 9: JavaDude ($11.05 in chips)
ijboipnoii: posts small blind $0.10
Chuck42181: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Chuck42181 [5s 5c]
JavaDude: folds
Here2Stay: calls $0.25
20nCrAzY: calls $0.25
JayLoco joins the table at seat #6
zonk22: folds
kevin7997: calls $0.25
Somdog78: folds
ijboipnoii: calls $0.15
Chuck42181: checks
*** FLOP *** [Qc 5d 6c]
ijboipnoii: checks
Chuck42181: bets $0.25
Here2Stay: folds
20nCrAzY: folds
kevin7997: raises $0.75 to $1
ijboipnoii: folds
Chuck42181: raises $3.25 to $4.25
kevin7997: calls $3.25
*** TURN *** [Qc 5d 6c] [7d]
Chuck42181: bets $5.50
kevin7997: calls $5.50
*** RIVER *** [Qc 5d 6c 7d] [3d]
Chuck42181: bets $4
kevin7997: calls $4
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Chuck42181: shows [5s 5c] (three of a kind, Fives)
kevin7997: mucks hand
Chuck42181 collected $27.40 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $28.75 | Rake $1.35
Board [Qc 5d 6c 7d 3d]
Seat 1: Here2Stay folded on the Flop
Seat 2: 20nCrAzY folded on the Flop
Seat 3: zonk22 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: kevin7997 mucked [Qs Tc] - a pair of Queens
Seat 5: Somdog78 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: ijboipnoii (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 8: Chuck42181 (big blind) showed [5s 5c] and won ($27.40) with three of a
kind, Fives
Seat 9: JavaDude folded before Flop (didn't bet)
 
78KnicksFan
      Donor
      ID: 30815418
      Sat, Aug 28, 2004, 03:40 		Fun day at the casino...spent my time at the 1-3 spread limit table, started with $60, left with $96. I'm pretty happy with that for my first time playing at a casino.
 
79On_the_85th_year
      ID: 457421411
      Sat, Aug 28, 2004, 09:52 		RE: 72 "I played flawless poker tonight... "

Are you kidding me? I would be embarrassed to post your hand log. There in nothing flawless about the way you played. In fact I could make a case on all your hands that you played terribly.

I actually thought it was a joke and was waiting to hear the punchline at the end.

I'm not going to waste time evaluating your horrible play, as it appears you are so far into lah-lah land it would fall on deaf ears. But trust me it's nothing to be proud of. You made bad reads put all your money in time after time BEHIND and happen to hit KENO.

This forum is a joke that people read this post and say nothing. Are you all a bunch of yes men around here? Apparently.
 
80TaRhEElKiD
      ID: 40612721
      Sat, Aug 28, 2004, 13:10 		Well I know what we aren't: a$$holes.

Anyway, tried to go to a Indian Casino last night because I turned 18 and they had an electrical fire and will be closed for 2 days....GREAT LUCK! lol.

THK
 
81TaRhEElKiD
      ID: 40612721
      Sat, Aug 28, 2004, 13:13 		Although...it is obvious some hands weren't played correctly. I count 3 big hands where he was way behind, making very loose calls/bets and hit for the win...

THK
 
82Chuck
      Sustainer
      ID: 169212110
      Sat, Aug 28, 2004, 13:15 		I'm not going to waste time evaluating your horrible play

You could just say:

I'm not going to waste time contributing to this thread.
 
83Chuck
      Sustainer
      ID: 169212110
      Sat, Aug 28, 2004, 13:29 		I will make the argument that flawless poker can be considered the night where even the times you play the hands wrong, you still win.

There will never be the night where you read every player perfectly and know how every flop will come. You will get flops that neutralize your best hand.

If you believe that poker has some luck, playing poker perfectly is the night where all the big pots you are in go your way. It is not just how you play the cards, but how the results come.
 
84On_the_85th_year
      ID: 457421411
      Sat, Aug 28, 2004, 13:41 		"You could just say: I'm not going to waste time contributing to this thread. "

I'm trying to improve this thread so people can post hands and scenarios and receive feedback from seasoned players and contemplate "what if's". It seems most people are concerned about stroking ones own ego.

This thread is titled "discussion", how about if the posts try to enagage others, rather then wasting all of our times telling us about the night you yelled BINGO.

Then again, we should have another OT titled "Scratch ticket and other similar winnings". Too include but not limited too Bingo, 50-50 raffles, Lotto, One Arm bandits,etc. As that is about the intellect behind his initial post.

Word
 
85R9
      Leader
      ID: 02624472
      Sun, Aug 29, 2004, 01:10 		Not sure who made you the police of what is 'acceptable' poker discussion, but if you dont like it feel free to leave. We're amateur poker players, and hearing someone say "I'm not going to waste time evaluating your horrible play" is twice as useless as hearing from another amateur who had a good night. This thread CAN hold discussion with a bit of 'bragging'...
 
86Species
      Leader
      ID: 07724916
      Sun, Aug 29, 2004, 03:51 		I guess this is an example of why they call the low end of the straight the "idiot end". I'm Sirius........

PokerStars Game #650758973: Hold'em Limit ($3/$6) - 2004/08/29 -
03:39:01 (ET)
Table 'Musca' Seat #8 is the button
Seat 5: todd755 ($63 in chips)
Seat 7: Sirius68 ($87.50 in chips)
Seat 8: Lil E-WEE ($58.50 in chips)
Seat 9: DHorle ($32.50 in chips)
DHorle: posts small blind $1
todd755: posts big blind $3
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Sirius68 [Td Jc]
Sirius68: calls $3
Lil E-WEE: folds
DHorle: folds
todd755: checks
*** FLOP *** [9h 7s Qd]
todd755: checks
Sirius68: bets $3
todd755: calls $3
*** TURN *** [9h 7s Qd] [8h]
todd755: checks
Sirius68: bets $6
todd755: calls $6
*** RIVER *** [9h 7s Qd 8h] [Kc]
todd755: bets $6
Sirius68: raises $6 to $12
todd755: raises $6 to $18
Sirius68: raises $6 to $24
Betting is capped
todd755: calls $6
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Sirius68: shows [Td Jc] (a straight, Nine to King)
todd755: shows [5h 6c] (a straight, Five to Nine)
Sirius68 collected $71 from pot
 
87On_the_85th_year
      ID: 207212817
      Sun, Aug 29, 2004, 11:45 		Played in a $50 nl hold em home game last night, $1,000 in chips, no rebuys.

Never played with any of these players before. There were 18 entrants.

3rd hand $10 $20 blinds, I'm BB, dealt 94 os. Flop comes qd jd 2s, I check, player bets $125. Everyone folds. What would you do?

 
88TaRhEElKiD
      ID: 40612721
      Sun, Aug 29, 2004, 13:28 		Uhhhh....What are you thinking about?

ALL IN!!!!

DUHHH...even amatuers know what to do there. Dumba$$! ;-)

THK
 
89Chuck
      Sustainer
      ID: 169212110
      Sun, Aug 29, 2004, 16:28 		85th-

I don't get it. Are you a seasoned veteran that you refer to (post 84)? If you are, why don't you bring up something specific to discuss instead of whining about what you deem is a lack of valuable conversations.
 
90Promize
      ID: 19742168
      Sun, Aug 29, 2004, 18:21 		Any of you all badbeat fans, but Partypoker is up to $157000..
 
91TaRhEElKiD
      ID: 40612721
      Sun, Aug 29, 2004, 18:22 		What constitutes a "bad beat" that is SOOO bad you win all that cash? For this very reason I may start playing PP for awhile.

THK
 
92Promize
      ID: 19742168
      Sun, Aug 29, 2004, 19:44 		Bad beat is a high hand beating another high hand...

So a straight flush beating a lower straight flush...

Or 4 of a kind being beat by a straight flush...

The qualifying hand is nothing smaller then Aces full of kings
 
93TaRhEElKiD
      ID: 40612721
      Sun, Aug 29, 2004, 20:00 		My reading of the Bad Beat Jackpot says the low hand must have at least 4 of a kind 8s and both hole cards for each player much be used in the hand. Also at least 4 players must be dealt into the hand.

Wow...chances are very slim to high pairs are going to come on the board with 2 people have pocket pair of those same cards as well. This jackpot may grow for awhile. The best part is 25% of the jackpot is split between anybody that was active in the hand (saw the flop).

Now at $162k

THK
 
94Promize
      ID: 19742168
      Sun, Aug 29, 2004, 20:07 		Well hell, they must of changed it ... I think they change it each week or so...

Last week it was Aces full of Kings... They made it harder now...
 
95Promize
      ID: 19742168
      Sun, Aug 29, 2004, 20:08 		Hey, I am on table 661255 come join me.
 
96Promize
      ID: 19742168
      Sun, Aug 29, 2004, 21:23 		You call this hand don't you?

***** Hand History for Game 893727615 *****
Table Table 14188 (6 max) (Real Money)
Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 1: promize ( $46.1 )
Seat 6: coyotebogie ( $22.5 )
Seat 8: LICAN ( $38.1 )
Seat 10: Kdwheat ( $55.75 )
Seat 5: Sepharo ( $22.4 )
Seat 3: billyb1818 ( $20 )
coyotebogie posts small blind [$0.5].
LICAN posts big blind [$1].
billyb1818 posts big blind [$1].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to promize [ Ks Kd ]
Kdwheat calls [$1].
promize calls [$1].
billyb1818 checks.
Sepharo raises [$6].
coyotebogie folds.
LICAN folds.
Kdwheat folds.
promize calls [$5].
billyb1818 folds.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 9d, Tc, Jd ]
promize checks.
Sepharo bets [$2].
promize calls [$2].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 4d ]
promize checks.
Sepharo is all-In.
promize calls [$14.4].
** Dealing River ** [ Td ]
promize shows [ Ks, Kd ] a flush, king high.
Sepharo shows [ Jh, Js ] a full house, Jacks full of tens.
Sepharo wins $46.30 from the main pot with a full house, Jacks full of tens.
damn river
 
97ChicagoTRS
      ID: 147542720
      Sun, Aug 29, 2004, 22:14 		promize...I definitely make that call. With those cards and the respective stack sizes I don't think there is any way you do not lose your money there. Personally I would shrug that hand off in about 30 seconds, not much you can do sometimes when you have a hand like that and someone just makes a bigger hand. Too bad you didn't have Qd Kd ;-)
 
98ChicagoTRS
      ID: 147542720
      Sun, Aug 29, 2004, 22:19 		#79...obviously he is just learning and no doubt he had some lucky breaks. Instead of being an ass-hole why don't you add something constructive to the discussion.
 
99TaRhEElKiD
      ID: 40612721
      Sun, Aug 29, 2004, 22:27 		Probably because he is so much better than the rest of us!

THK
 
100MattG
      ID: 307592621
      Sun, Aug 29, 2004, 23:11 		85th year who the hell are you to call me out... I've been around this place for over 7 years contributing much more then you ever will... This is a damn message board, if you don't like the way I played, fine but don't try and bust me down to size just because you got something up your ass... You could simply say, I would of played this hand this way, this hand that way... talk about adding something to contribute, take what I apparently did wrong and how I should do it right...

All I know is I walked away from the table with all the chips... I'm no professional, neither are my friends, if lucky breaks and river cards are what brings me the money then who the hell are you to bash it...

Step off your high horse and check your ego at the door, nobody gives a damn who you are hiding behind your friggen moniker. Many people in this thread know the bad beat I took in AC playing tight at a loose table, I'm sure most of them(probably all but you) are happy to see a fellow gurupie who took something from the table and started to recoup his losses... No matter if it was luck, skill, or a combination of the two...

I know two things about that night, when I sat down I was the best player at that table, and when I got up at the end of that night, I had taught all of them how to play better poker, and I had a hell of a lot of fun doing it.... F OFF.

 
101On_the_85th_year
      ID: 457421411
      Mon, Aug 30, 2004, 09:56 		Re: 88 I called his bet. Hoping to bluff the turn. The turn brought a perfect card, a 3d. I immed checked, he bet $200, I immed raised it to $500. After a delay he called and I figured my "move" was a bad one. The river brought a blank, I delayed and delayed and figured the only way I win is to bet. So I put out a "appetizing bet" bet $225; one that looks like I wanted a call. He said "you got your flush". He flipped over qj and folded. Since I have never played with this crew before I showed them my bluff. Thinking this move would make them think twice the remainder of the night. I went on to win the tournament. 3 times I put shorter stacks all in when it was a coin flip and I was lucky to win all of them. I amassed a huge chip lead and had one of those nights where things went my way. But there are always definging moments and the hand above while a huge risk, paved the way for me to win.

 
102On_the_85th_year
      ID: 457421411
      Mon, Aug 30, 2004, 10:09 		Mattg, you sounded like a complete moron in post #72 above, and the echo's run all way down to #100. And then saying "I've been around for 7 years", man I love people who think they get reprieve or special treatment after "time served". This further illustrates your Egotistical deficiencies.

"I know two things about that night, when I sat down I was the best player at that table, and when I got up at the end of that night, I had taught all of them how to play better poker, and I had a hell of a lot of fun doing it.... F OFF."
LMAO, it's all relative Mattg. "And even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while"

Keeping playing "flawlessly".
 
103Matt G
      ID: 19554168
      Mon, Aug 30, 2004, 12:30 		Seriously what is your problem? Just because you think are a superior poker player doesn't mean you have to bust everyone's nuts.

My seven years comment, not saying I deserve any special treatment, I don't basically saying in 7 years I haven't meant such an ass as yourself, it comes down to I was playing poker, I posted some of my winning hands, and that's it... Apparently you think I made bad reads, if I did, tell me, that's what this forum is for, to help people become better at poker...

If you are going to bash how I play, fine I have no problem with that, but tell me what you think I did wrong and how you would of played, constructive critisism helps much more then just bashing people.

If you'd do that maybe I'd come in and be able to better contribute to this thread instead of jut my lucky hands and finding some nuts... Help someone out instead of bashing them... Everyone gets lucky, if that was the only way I won, fine... its the end result that counts.

When I said I played flawless, I was explaining how I never lost a big hand, I never got down except once, I never said I was perfect... AS for egotistical deficiences take a look in the mirror, when you have to come onto a message board and bash people because they don't paly poker the way you think it should be played...

Lighten up and have some fun will ya?
 
104On_the_85th_year
      ID: 457421411
      Mon, Aug 30, 2004, 12:41 		Fair enough Matt.

If you want to win consisently, try and get your money in the pot when you are atleast a coin flip or better and do not need miracle outs in order to survive. Had you started out your post by saying "Guys , I could not have been more fortunate last night, I made very bad reads, and consisently was a big dog but manged to suck out and win the tourney" I would have said, "hey Matt. great job, atleast you realize where you went wrong, you dont have to lose to learn from your mistakes"

Poker can not be played "flawlessly", there are an infinity amount of variables.

I'm sincerely sorry if I bashed you. Good luck.
 
105Matt G
      ID: 19554168
      Mon, Aug 30, 2004, 12:50 		I got your point, I was incredibly lucky... I made some bad reads yes, but considering the competition I was up against, I knew I could push them around... I admitted I though I was going home on that first all in when I saw his AJ suited... I read him wrong on that turn completely, in a room full of amatures like ourselves he was the one I could never figure out, mainly cause he was right next to me and I couldn't watch his eyes enough.

In that hand I had a flush after the turn, with that I figured I had them both beat... I did have the one guy with his pair but the other guy had me on the AJ... Was that a bad read, yes... I did get lucky...


When I beat my boss, I had him beat straight up.. A10 Off suit for a limp in pot, once I hit my pair I wasn't backing down... The chances of him having the other 2 aces were slim to none and there were no other cards out there that could of beat me.

I know poker cant be played flawlessly and next time I'll try to play a little better, thanks for the tips though.
 
106On_the_85th_year
      ID: 457421411
      Mon, Aug 30, 2004, 12:51 		Another hand from Saturday night which was a tough call for me. After we got down to the final table (9 players), about 7 hands in I was dealt Big Slick spades. I was the big blind. The chip leader at this point bet $600, here again figured I was at worse about a 50-50 prop. I finally decided to push all in, hoping to induce a fold, if not lets gamble. Sure enough he called and flipped QQ. Three blanks on the flop and turned an ACE. Got lucky thats for sure!
But crippled the chip leader.
 
107beastiemiked
      Sustainer
      ID: 03531815
      Mon, Aug 30, 2004, 13:53 		When I beat my boss, I had him beat straight up.. A10 Off suit for a limp in pot, once I hit my pair I wasn't backing down... The chances of him having the other 2 aces were slim to none and there were no other cards out there that could of beat me.

He had you beat with AA, KK, 99, AK, AQ, AJ, A9, K9. After the flop, when he got all his money in, he was a 72% favorite to win the hand.
 
108Matt G
      ID: 19554168
      Mon, Aug 30, 2004, 15:48 		I know he was the favorite, but the way he played the hand. I watched him play all night and whenever he had anything paired in the hole he pushed most his chips in from the start...

Basically it was a good read, yes he was a 72% favorite... But I put all my chips in to make him go all in after I hit my 2 pair... yes there were a few hands that could of beat me, but I made a good read on him that he didn't have anything good. I knew I had high pair, and I was betting he didnt its called gambling...
 
109On_the_85th_year
      ID: 457421411
      Mon, Aug 30, 2004, 16:00 		"but I made a good read on him that he didn't have anything good" Mattg, he had 2 pair? He had a very good hand. I'm not sure what you mean Mattg>?
 
110beastiemiked
      Sustainer
      ID: 03531815
      Mon, Aug 30, 2004, 16:05 		yes there were a few hands that could of beat me, but I made a good read on him that he didn't have anything good.

Perhaps we are refering to different hands but the one I'm refering to is the one where your boss has K9 and flops 2 pair while you were holding A10 and flop a pair of aces. On a board of AK9, A10 is a major dog to K9.
 
111Matt G
      ID: 19554168
      Mon, Aug 30, 2004, 16:55 		You guys are right, it is that hand... he had me beat on the flop yes, but once the river came I had him... I knew I had him...

I play differently, I don't play the odds, I play the people... At a table where I cant read anyone, I'm screwed... but at a table where I can read them, I'm golden... I had a good, LUCKY night... I Didn't push all in until after my 10 came up, you ahve to remember he limped in on his K9... a good move on his part, playing his 2 pair well... getting me to stick around, had he gone all in there I wouldn't of played the hand, but by limping in he inticed me... However once the 10 came up the odds jumped to 90% my way and thats when I went all in...

I know what you guys are saying, but I play all 5 cards, not just the flop.