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Subject: Rotohog 5/14-5/17 Midweek Thread

  Posted by: Bandos - Sustainer [279492419] Mon, May 14, 2007, 10:26
I have Holliday for 2 out of 3 nights and get -10 pts. Debacle. Oh and thanks to the Red Sox for scoring late and winning - yeah, but not getting Schill and Beckett wins - boo.
 
1Bandos
      Sustainer
      ID: 279492419
      Mon, May 14, 2007, 10:28
Rank ADJ rank Team Position Usage Total Points Adj points Pts behind
63 1 Skankin' Owls (mymrbig) -26 -27 4,587.22 4905.32 0
47 2 Endangered Species (Species) 2 -21 4,753.29 4839.59 -65.73
85 3 FenwayCheer4 (FenwayCheer4) -36 -24 4,414.69 4790.89 -114.43
23 4 Bandos (Bandos) -2 73 5,106.32 4770.42 -134.9
55 5 JibJabs (jibjabmraz) -2 -15 4,659.85 4746.35 -158.97
61 6 The Experiment (natefrogbu) 5 -32 4,623.12 4740.47 -164.85
78 7 yazmeisters (Imdbcooper) -18 -29 4,448.03 4717.73 -187.59
29 8 DA WEINERS (hdk100) 1 57 4,988.35 4707.5 -197.82
52 9 StLCards (StLCards) -3 23 4,697.39 4608.74 -296.58
67 10 High Self-Esteem (jdrenbarger) 5 -10 4,575.77 4587.52 -317.8
76 11 All-Star Annihilators (Phatnamad) -5 -13 4,472.18 4570.83 -334.49
22 12 Apaca1ypse Now... (Apaca1ypse) 1 114 5,110.81 4556.36 -348.96
62 13 We Are Borg (RotoGuru) 15 -11 4,609.84 4553.89 -351.43
91 14 Smoke & Mirrors (mbg81272) -7 -24 4,368.31 4534.26 -371.06
40 15 TEAM ROC (crasyuba21) 14 44 4,835.29 4522.59 -382.73
68 16 ACE of CLUBS (Planet29) -8 23 4,561.87 4509.47 -395.85
28 17 Headhunter (Headhunter) -7 118 4,997.36 4481.71 -423.61
45 18 Stumptown Spawning Sturgeons (diffbean) -6 75 4,764.96 4448.46 -456.86
80 19 Firdownblers (Firdownble) 7 -12 4,439.09 4445.94 -459.38
98 20 GoatLocker's Bums (GoatLocker) -2 -17 4,302.56 4398.66 -506.66
30 21 BONDS SUCKS (maxfli1010) 5 119 4,971.35 4363.9 -541.42
93 22 Scranton Sluggers (BigBobE) 3 -2 4,355.93 4343.78 -561.54
77 23 Headless Thompson Gunners (HeadlessGunners) -6 35 4,455.74 4331.24 -574.08
57 24 KTMoney (ktmoney29) 6 62 4,658.40 4317.3 -588.02
79 25 Can't Beat the Refs (Ref) 11 10 4,443.46 4315.71 -589.61
65 26 Skull Krushers (clintrad4) 1 55 4,576.19 4304.94 -600.38
82 27 Almquist Brothers Inc (almlquist86) -14 50 4,437.29 4298.79 -606.53
7 28 Underdawgs (Ford) 1 275 5,425.45 4098.2 -807.12
26 29 W.orld F.amous (beatfreaks) 0 212 5,092.80 4075.2 -830.12
83 30 Tboz Hustlaz (tboz6547) -19 103 4,430.14 4073.49 -831.83
92 31 Go M's (scomeezee) -27 107 4,358.87 4041.02 -864.3
64 32 Read my work in CBS message boards (DRAFTAHOLIC) -10 131 4,585.38 4029.08 -876.24
66 33 Custodians (Custodians) 11 126 4,575.94 3891.39 -1013.93
90 34 woodjacks (woodjack) 6 101 4,371.28 3842.98 -1062.34
89 35 Ben's in Charge (barry11753) 5 110 4,383.13 3818.88 -1086.44
94 36 Cant B Beat (datace) -2 116 4,347.02 3804.72 -1100.6
49 37 FoUr LeAf ClOvErS™ (APYANKS24) -31 247 4,718.22 3757.37 -1147.95
84 38 The Tools of Ignorance (Atlanta1) 18 117 4,416.61 3724.51 -1180.81
34 39 Beau Knows (mbchamp06) -38 328 4,941.72 3642.82 -1262.5
70 40 slappy knappys (cknappy) -13 210 4,547.70 3633.95 -1271.37
99 41 Peace Warrior (PeaceWarrior) -8 156 4,294.81 3604.01 -1301.31
44 42 Yanks525 (Yanks525) -26 286 4,787.23 3602.93 -1302.39
14 43 Bad News Bears (cam4128) -13 393 5,259.28 3467.13 -1438.19
97 44 Marthafockers (marthafockers) -11 195 4,316.14 3459.89 -1445.43
51 45 Ground Rule Doubles (bhaworth) -11 288 4,699.83 3397.18 -1508.14
48 46 goislesgo (GoIslesGO) 0 282 4,726.62 3373.02 -1532.3
16 47 pachyderms (pachyderms) -19 418 5,181.13 3312.48 -1592.84
87 48 Chuck Norris (Sickasill) -45 301 4,404.36 3285.81 -1619.51
13 49 spongebobs (spongebobs) -3 433 5,278.54 3221.89 -1683.43
46 50 Beerdrinkers (AdvantageSchneider) -26 362 4,759.09 3209.99 -1695.33
20 51 Eagle State (johnb2311) -38 460 5,130.28 3197.78 -1707.54
42 52 cubs07 (dirtydick) -41 401 4,818.97 3191.42 -1713.9
72 53 Field of Hobbits (oldwolf) -15 299 4,516.61 3190.16 -1715.16
54 54 Jsarn35 (Mets1835) 0 316 4,673.44 3156.64 -1748.68
71 55 Gigantula (Gigantula) -8 307 4,546.71 3131.11 -1774.21
60 56 OffTheWall (stormman96) 2 316 4,650.81 3119.51 -1785.81
15 57 PHILLY'S FINEST (seanmck930) -25 479 5,209.87 3091.92 -1813.4
8 58 Stooges (Bamaman) -23 510 5,356.01 3074.76 -1830.56
96 59 fantasysportsoutlook.com (frankg4e) -1 265 4,323.15 3058.4 -1846.92
95 60 shortchanges (sto) -27 337 4,329.82 2907.97 -1997.35
35 61 Doomsday (Doomsday22) -2 432 4,938.50 2879.4 -2025.92
10 62 Hits and Giggles (schmen) -9 531 5,330.19 2846.64 -2058.68
2 63 Justplay'n2win (indycolt4life) -5 737 6,261.94 2760.59 -2144.73
81 64 Yankee Clipper (kjpeterson9) -26 395 4,437.42 2729.92 -2175.4
100 65 Texas Drifter (Hardhead) -32 374 4,292.97 2729.77 -2175.55
3 66 Maranatha! (LeeYih) -24 741 6,041.05 2658.25 -2247.07
74 67 '57 Milwaukee Braves (adadof2) -21 420 4,490.64 2626.89 -2278.43
4 68 muckas (buckwheat) -4 634 5,638.40 2624.2 -2281.12
6 69 yankz (slush823823) 0 600 5,469.09 2589.09 -2316.23
88 70 KeoKards (tuds2000) -6 396 4,395.93 2538.63 -2366.69
12 71 Tomt7458 (tomt7458) -17 608 5,281.75 2486.6 -2418.72
25 72 Tigers (Tigers) -28 589 5,093.17 2468.97 -2436.35
24 73 The Undertakers (undertak4) -45 631 5,098.14 2395.59 -2509.73
58 74 crazy 8 (campa) -25 526 4,656.58 2313.03 -2592.29
43 75 tourific (tourific) -45 599 4,813.20 2264.25 -2641.07
38 76 Cleveland Steamers (jcossaart) -13 563 4,856.12 2247.97 -2657.35
73 77 No Chance (Slick2022) -34 522 4,491.40 2232.3 -2673.02
37 78 Delorey (Delorey) -42 615 4,872.49 2224.99 -2680.33
19 79 New York Sewer Rattz (nystray) -136 816 5,146.43 2215.63 -2689.69
1 80 yankkss (janf21) -33 952 6,478.92 2148.57 -2756.75
59 81 lukes brewers (daluke) 0 547 4,656.40 2030.8 -2874.52
21 82 Rockin Cards!!! (BullyTime07) -4 651 5,125.23 2029.43 -2875.89
9 83 ChickenHawks (leeja) -7 700 5,335.42 2026.17 -2879.15
27 84 hooahs (Soly36) -9 640 5,018.65 2011.9 -2893.42
18 85 Norm Plante (ludger) -10 674 5,156.06 1993.36 -2911.96
75 86 Don's-07-Dingers (don10pico) -1 539 4,485.20 1905.25 -3000.07
50 87 Lost Cause (Slick3) -18 624 4,703.96 1839.26 -3066.06
33 88 VoteForJoe (tchu125) -12 666 4,943.32 1833.52 -3071.8
39 89 Parks Indians (harryj) -5 659 4,851.47 1724.52 -3180.8
17 90 jagzfan46 (jagzfan46) -17 750 5,166.86 1690.11 -3215.21
69 91 U C Ballbusters (Mrbig94587) -13 624 4,558.72 1657.77 -3247.55
86 92 iMriCHbiTcH2 (chrisrager) -25 658 4,414.15 1437 -3468.32
41 93 Moore's Magic (Legalee) -44 789 4,824.74 1356.54 -3548.78
53 94 THE LUMBER COMPANY (dustlc) 4 694 4,678.70 1318.5 -3586.82
32 95 latin lovers (antonio) -28 826 4,959.04 1197.24 -3708.08
5 96 Da Meatballs (Chevysb67) -10 952 5,524.37 1027.27 -3878.05
31 97 gentle giants (mollyhatch) -6 830 4,960.33 1019.83 -3885.49
56 98 Freeport Thunder (Riverhawks) -9 779 4,658.99 985.04 -3920.28
36 99 sewerpickles (sewerpickles) -13 865 4,936.83 879.08 -4026.24
11 100 Special Forces (19Seal64) 1 929 5,310.66 844.21 -4061.11
 
2mrbig
      ID: 363331312
      Mon, May 14, 2007, 11:12 		Russel Martin is "out". Who wouda thunk it?
 
3Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Mon, May 14, 2007, 11:45 		He is the top YTD point producer at catcher, but VMart has the same pts/game avg, at a slightly lower price. And Martin only ranks #8 in total points (for catchers) over the last 15 days, and #4 in per-game average over the past week. So he doesn't look to me like a "gots to have" option.

(Of course, if you rely solely on RotoHog's stats capabilities, it's difficult to see alot of this!)
 
4Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Mon, May 14, 2007, 11:50 		It's kind of disappointing that Cust is still listed on San Diego, after I sent a message about it 2 days ago. Fortunately, SD and Oakland have had similar schedules and freeze times, so it hasn't mattered lately, but it's still a significant gaffe with potentially messy repercussions.

I also notified them about 5 other players who were listed on the wrong teams (all traded players, but some dating back to opening day). Evidently, they have no automated mechanism to control for this.
 
5Ender
      ID: 5963859
      Mon, May 14, 2007, 12:31 		What are the merits to adjusting all the teams to "on pace" versus pro-rating to 1300 IP (using the same averages)?

Pro-rating while assuming an average over a significant number innings would at least a significant number of IP that are in the books. You're already pro-rating the RHP for anyone who is "under pace" on IP. Why not pro-rate averyone to the max?

As a mathemetician I am simply curious. This is in no way a criticism. I enjoy the data provided for what it is and understand the pitfalls as they are.
 
6Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Mon, May 14, 2007, 12:39 		using what averages?

I think prorating to "on-pace" using a SP average makes the most sense, as teams that are under pace are probably going to need to catch-up using starters, and those who are ahead of pace probably did so on the backs of starters.

It also allows us to finesse the whole question of forecasting an average pts/IP for relievers. To the extent that teams have done better or worse than average, that's already reflected in their current total, but not explicitly assumed to persist.

 
7Ender
      ID: 5963859
      Mon, May 14, 2007, 12:47 		The averages currently used to make the adjustments. I forget the exact numbers Bandos has been using (per IP for pitchers and per G for hitters)>

Your second point makes sense. It does allow for the differentiation between the 2 pitching categories.
 
8Alex
      ID: 45434314
      Mon, May 14, 2007, 12:49 		Ender - If you use the same averages, then wouldn't the standings end up exactly the same?
 
9Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Mon, May 14, 2007, 12:51 		If you project everyone to the max IP using identical averages, then every team's projected points are higher by a constant amount (vs. the table above). Nothing gained.
 
10Pops
      ID: 5923858
      Mon, May 14, 2007, 13:16 		Geez, I keep slipping in your rankings Bandos - out of the top 10 now.

I'm trying to preach mean reversion to myself, but I keep going against it.

Held Reyes for his 2 straight 0-fer's and dropped him in favor of Hardy yesterday - -27 point swing.

Holliday has averaged approx. 10 p/g for his last 6 games but for the 4/6 i've held him i've averaged negative points - pretty neat feat this one.

Atleast I have kept VMart at C for most of the last 10 days, i've held Utley everyday for about 2 weeks, and I dropped Pujols a week back and haven't looked back. Unfortunately, i've found it far too difficult to remain consistent with these types of positive moves.

All of the above not withstanding, I suppose the most disturbing stat for me is my 1 save over the last 4 days (19 chances) - Yikes!
 
11Ender
      ID: 5963859
      Mon, May 14, 2007, 13:50 		Guru, I don't project forward from the adjusted standings. In that case you would of course be correct. Nothing would change.

I meant from the standings as they are on RH. You correctly pointed out above the flaw in that method. I would certainly hope that my composite RHP/IP average (SP + RP) would be much higher than the 4.8 RHP/IP average that Bandos has been using.

I think that answers your question Alex. I have at the very least satisfied my own curiosity. I posed the question at the end of my planning period without having had time to consider all the factors.
 
12TacoJohn
      ID: 422551921
      Mon, May 14, 2007, 13:57 		I looked at a standings sheet I created several days ago and nearly all of the top 10 or so in my adjusted ranking are currently in the top 100 list that's being used.

After that though I would guess it's about half the teams that are in the top 100 and half that aren't. And don't forget that even my "expanded" standings don't include more than probably half the teams.

Just wanted to make sure ppl were aware so it's not disappointing later. 20th might actually equal 30th-40th.
 
13Ender
      ID: 5963859
      Mon, May 14, 2007, 14:02 		Guru, just reread your post. You said it yourself "vs the table above". My post was unnecessary.
 
14GoatLocker
      Sustainer
      ID: 060151121
      Mon, May 14, 2007, 14:13 		Nice to be back on the list.
Just need to see if I can keep things going and get there from here.

Wasn't happy with who I played yesterday, but was going to be gone and didn't want to lose money on the players not playing today since I wouldn't be there to sell them.

Let's see if I can't keep this week going.

Cliff
 
15StLCards
      Dude
      ID: 31010716
      Mon, May 14, 2007, 19:21 		Nationals at it again. How does one of the worst teams keep hitting the pitchers I start!
 
16Species
      Dude
      ID: 07724916
      Mon, May 14, 2007, 19:40 		StL - it's not just THAT! The opposing pitcher for the Nats always seems to blow away the offense of the pitcher you start! They've done it to me so many times I skipped Smoltz today.

BTW - did I miss the memo about CRAZY post game freeze price changes?? Okay I have been caught off guard recently on players' off days....but today with Vlad and Utley for example, WTF is up with their prices?!??
 
17StLCards
      Dude
      ID: 31010716
      Mon, May 14, 2007, 21:07 		Nice jinx to Bergman's no-no. ESPN cut live to watch the 8th inning. 1st batter, HR.
 
18StLCards
      Dude
      ID: 31010716
      Mon, May 14, 2007, 21:15 		RE: price drops, I think there were just more people owning them today with the limited schedule therefore more sells at freeze.

I need last at bat HRs from a few guys to salvage any sembelance of a good day.
 
19JMan
      ID: 5324618
      Mon, May 14, 2007, 21:38 		I give up trying to chose between Reyes and Hardy based on matchups. Whoever I chose pulls an 0'fer and the other puts up a double figure performance. I should chose one in my head and then play the other . . . somehow I have a feeling that would not work either.
 
20Pops
      ID: 5923858
      Tue, May 15, 2007, 02:37 		Peavy is sitting a few pennies away from his all-time high.

The only thing working against a sell-out is the startling array of alternatives on 5/16 - Webb, Lackey, Hill, Sabathia, & Hamels.

I'm not taking any chances. I just bought him and i'm going to let him sit there until game time.
 
21Bandos
      Sustainer
      ID: 279492419
      Tue, May 15, 2007, 10:27 		Pops - which is your team?
 
22Bandos
      Sustainer
      ID: 279492419
      Tue, May 15, 2007, 10:30 		(rant) Pujols is obviously hurt, he says he is hurt, his manager says he is hurt - why in thunder is he playing - he stinks. just put him on the dl, get him healthy...etc etc etc /rant
 
23C1-NRB
      ID: 5932328
      Tue, May 15, 2007, 10:33 		I give up trying to chose between Reyes and Hardy based on matchups. Whoever I chose pulls an 0'fer and the other puts up a double figure performance. I should chose one in my head and then play the other . . . somehow I have a feeling that would not work either.

You have a Utility spot...
 
24JMan
      ID: 5324618
      Tue, May 15, 2007, 10:49 		C1 - You are right, maybe I should use the utility spot. Though that might cause a double 0'fer night.
 
25Pops
      ID: 5923858
      Tue, May 15, 2007, 11:05 		Re 21: All-Star Annihilators
 
26mrbig
      ID: 363331312
      Tue, May 15, 2007, 12:01 		Hardy and Reyes both did pretty well last night. I haven't had Hardy all year. I just can't believe it! Since I've had Reyes most of the time (occasionally playing Rollins or Hanley if the matchup dictates), so I don't feel like I've lost too too much.

I'm staying away from Hudson today, so he should be a good pick-up. I'm going with 6 closers today and Peavy tomorrow. I think Hudson is a solid pitcher, but I'm really going to start focussing on true aces (aka pitchers with a lot of strike-out potential) rather than good pitchers who have had a run of good starts. Luck evens out.
 
27JMan
      ID: 5324618
      Tue, May 15, 2007, 14:11 		Species, below is a comment on the RH global league board. Thought you might like to see it.

I want to know if Endangered Species is a computer hacker. ...... I want to know how ES could accumulate nearly 4800 points and have -27 innings. And, most importantly, I'd like to know who the beautiful lady holding the golf club in ES' profile is. Elliott
 
28Species
      Dude
      ID: 07724916
      Tue, May 15, 2007, 15:03 		lol - thanks JMan. I will respond to that. I'm mildly surprised Elliott (team name "Custodians") isn't wise enough to figure it out. He has disposed a fair amount of good advice to a lot of global board posters.....

....responding to a comment I think you had made earlier in the month about this board and community (that being - you were surprised how many of us talk on the phone, or have met). Guru started his sight around 1998/1999 based upon his interest in the old Smallworld.com game (now tsn/The Sporting News).

Many of us have played that game during that entire time, and when he started the message board - somewhere around 2000/2001 (?) it only got better. Certain guys you just seem to have the same thought process, or are in the same leagues, or whatever, you just get to know and graduate from the board to email, email to calling on the phone, to hooking up when you're in town. It's a pretty cool community and I've met lots of great people along the way. If I traveled more I'm sure there are a dozen or more people I'd be comfortable meeting.
 
29Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Tue, May 15, 2007, 15:08 		The site was actually started in December, 1997. 10 year anniversary coming up this winter...
 
30blackjackis21
      Dude
      ID: 034837521
      Tue, May 15, 2007, 15:22 		Where's the party?
 
31BigBobE
      ID: 137323
      Tue, May 15, 2007, 15:27 		With Felix Hernandez restricted to about 80 pitches tonight I think I'll take a leap of faith and pick him up looking for 5 good innings and a win...

 
32mrbig
      ID: 363331312
      Tue, May 15, 2007, 15:37 		I searched for my old postings and didn't turn up anything older than early 2002. 100% sure I started posting before then (and was a lurker before that), but was just curious to see how long I've been around since I really have no idea. I've been pretty good about completely disappearing from these boards for months and months at a time, only to remember the website!
 
33Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Tue, May 15, 2007, 15:38 		OMG, I didn't realize the site was that young. I found it in the summer of '98 Man how time flies. I started playing CNN/SW in '96. Sitting out 3 years and playing again this year for the first time brings back a lot of memores. I actually like TSN a lot better now than what I did when I left 3 years ago.

I am staying away from Felix. I really like Escobar tonight but haven't decided if I'm going to use him or not yet.
 
34JMan
      ID: 5324618
      Tue, May 15, 2007, 15:46 		As I mentioned before, it is refreshing surpise to find that many of you have become friends outside of the board. It is also good to see some of you support Species in the RH boards (pretty funny actually).

Blackjackis21 - looks like you are going to take home a monthly prize. I am making a run for a monthly prize as well (I am burning IPs like a mad man) . . . watch out!!!
 
35blackjackis21
      Dude
      ID: 034837521
      Tue, May 15, 2007, 16:08 		What's your team name JMan? I missed it if you mentioned it before.

Maranatha! has a nice lead over many of us right now, but if I'm counting right, he's going to run out of IP's a little too early. Not even halfway through the month though - long ways to go.
 
36JMan
      ID: 5324618
      Tue, May 15, 2007, 16:12 		Blackjackis21 - My team name is Underdawgs. I agree with you . . . Maranatha has a good lead, but is going to run out of innings before the month is over. I guess it depends on the lead that is built up between now and then.
 
37ukula
      ID: 334351513
      Tue, May 15, 2007, 16:13 		Re: 29

Party at Guru's house. I'll bring the hot towels.

 
38blackjackis21
      Dude
      ID: 034837521
      Tue, May 15, 2007, 16:14 		Yikes - keep your distance!
 
39blackjackis21
      Dude
      ID: 034837521
      Tue, May 15, 2007, 16:14 		#38, meant for #36, though I suppose could be #37 as well?
 
40ukula
      ID: 334351513
      Tue, May 15, 2007, 16:20 		It'd be awesome - We could get a 500 pack of Dunkin' Donuts Munchkins and we could all sit around and listen to Species tell us about that time he went to Yankee Stadium and Clemens appeared in Steinbrenner's box.
 
41Species
      Dude
      ID: 07724916
      Tue, May 15, 2007, 16:50 		ukula - are you clairvoyant? I had some Dunkin' Donuts while in New York. Want to hear about it? It was GREAT! Donuts at 2am. Yummy.
 
42Ender
      ID: 5963859
      Tue, May 15, 2007, 17:12 		I only want to hear about it if you've got pictures (and one of them had better be with the "Time to make the donuts" guy).
 
43Building 7
      Sustainer
      ID: 171572711
      Tue, May 15, 2007, 17:29 		I remember Smallworld 1998. I came in 3rd or 5th, I think. Anyways, I recall the rotoguru site had valuable information that was not on the smallworld site. I can't remember what it was though now. I don't think it was ownership numbers , but it was rankings in categories or the ability to sort categories. Perhaps someone remembers.
The price updates were erratic and you never really knew for sure exactly when/if player prices would be updated. Now it's done in real time.
 
44BigBobE
      ID: 137323
      Tue, May 15, 2007, 18:23 		Street on DL

Huston Street-R-Athletics May. 15 - 5:52 pm et

Athletics placed RHP Huston Street on the 15-day disabled list, retroactive to May 13, with an irritation in his right ulnar nerve.
It was thought that an A's reliever might go on the DL today, but there was no indication it'd be Street. Under normal circumstances, Justin Duchscherer would fill in as the team's closer. However, he might be day-to-day for the foreseeable future because of his hip. Kiko Calero is likely next in line for save opportunities, though he's been a disappointment so far this year. Alan Embree could also be an option when lefties are due up in the ninth. Duchscherer is probably the best bet of the group at the moment.
 
45JMan
      ID: 5324618
      Tue, May 15, 2007, 18:50 		Blackjackis21 - I dont think you have much to worry about from me. My team value is declining as fast as I can play SPs. Not sure I can hold on for the month.
 
46JMan
      ID: 5324618
      Tue, May 15, 2007, 23:23 		Ref - Did you end up going with Escobar? Yikes.
 
47Perm Dude
      ID: 24471511
      Tue, May 15, 2007, 23:29 		For the one of the few times this season, every player I had playing had positive points.
 
48Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Tue, May 15, 2007, 23:53 		JMan, that has been my luck all year. I tell you. But I was considering the move to Escobar in TSN and I researched the crap out of it and decided that Accardo was the better grab and that I was going to stay away from him in Hog too. Even though I have not had one correct SP pick against the Nats this year, I went ahead and took Hudson instead. OMG!!! I hope my luck is changing and this is the start of something good!
 
49J
      Leader
      ID: 049346417
      Wed, May 16, 2007, 00:11 		White Sox - Yanks DH tomorrow...
 
50Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Wed, May 16, 2007, 09:58 		I wasn't charged with any GP or IP for last night's games. I assume everyone is in the same boat.

Yesterday, I wasn't charged with a GP at several hitting positions, but not all. And my IP were properly incremented. But it's obvious that something is not working correctly this week.

And Jack Cust is still on San Diego.
 
51Pops
      ID: 5923858
      Wed, May 16, 2007, 10:24 		If I missed something shame on me, but why are the hitters in the doubleheader spiking in price?

I thought it was only the pitchers who could get credit (points counted) for appearing in both games.
 
52Alex
      ID: 45434314
      Wed, May 16, 2007, 10:34 		Pops - Hitters get credit for both too...but it counts as 2 games. For people who are behind pace on games played (like me), that's pretty valuable. Also, I think some people are buying speculatively, based on how prices spiked last time the Yankees had a DH.
 
53Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Wed, May 16, 2007, 10:53 		If you're behind in GP, it's a reasonable way to help get caught up.

For relievers, it's a way to get an extra chance at a save opp.
 
54Alex
      ID: 45434314
      Wed, May 16, 2007, 10:59 		Guru - Looks like GP just got updated. Can't guarantee they're accurate, but they are different than earlier this morning.
 
55mrbig
      ID: 363331312
      Wed, May 16, 2007, 11:01 		For those of you who had Hudson last night - you're welcome.

I'm trying another slightly unorthodox pick today, going with Varitek as my C and V-Mart as my 1B. Don't like the other 1B matchups and Variteck is 10/16 with 3 HR in his career against Maroth. Last time I skipped one of my unorthodox matchup picks was Branyan against Kip Wells and Branyan hit 2 HR. Of course, before that I picked up Uribe against someone and he did nothing...
 
56Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Wed, May 16, 2007, 11:08 		[54] - yep, yesterday's GP and IP have now been added. Still no explanation as to why I wasn't charged with a GP at 1B, 3B or OF for Monday night's games, but maybe that will work itself out eventually.

 
57Pops
      ID: 5923858
      Wed, May 16, 2007, 12:11 		Re: 52,53

Thanks. I completely forgot how important the double games can be to people behind in gp and people competing for monthly prizes.
 
58Species
      Dude
      ID: 07724916
      Wed, May 16, 2007, 12:25 		Has it ever been 100% confirmed as to the treatment of roster freezes for double headers? i.e. - if I sell a player on the White Sox today at the freeze of their first game, is he automatically frozen in my lineup for the second game as well?!?

I assume yes, but you all know what happens when you assume....
 
59Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Wed, May 16, 2007, 12:37 		I had Mariano for the previous doubleheader, sold after the opening freeze, and got points for both games.
 
60GoatLocker
      Sustainer
      ID: 060151121
      Wed, May 16, 2007, 12:42 		Species,
Think the real thing to remember, is that it is the slot that locks.
So, once you sell after the freeze, that slot is no longer available.
And the player is in it, so the only way it could be done, is to have him for both games.

Really weird patterns for sell offs today.
Ugh.

Cliff
 
61GoatLocker
      Sustainer
      ID: 060151121
      Wed, May 16, 2007, 12:45 		Ditto what Guru said about Cust.
I just emailed them again asking if I would get points for him on Thurs since the db shows him on San Diego, who does not play Thurs, but Oakland does.

Maybe that will prod them to fix it so they don't have to do all the manual corrections later.

Cliff
 
62GoatLocker
      Sustainer
      ID: 060151121
      Wed, May 16, 2007, 13:49 		Got an answer from RH.

Hi Cliff,

If you have Cust in your lineup, you will get points for him today. We will fix his incorrect team display as soon as possible.

Thanks,
The RotoHog Team


Cliff
 
63Species
      Dude
      ID: 07724916
      Wed, May 16, 2007, 16:42 		Why the hell isn't Jenks pitching in Game 1?!?!?
 
64Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Wed, May 16, 2007, 16:54 		I was watching, and Jenks was ready to come in. The announcers surmised that Ozzie decided to see if he could preserve Jenks, given the 2-run lead. If a runner had gotten on base, Jenks probably would have come in, but with a 2 run lead and a 1-2-3 inning, Jenks was spared.
 
65mrbig
      ID: 363331312
      Wed, May 16, 2007, 17:09 		I assume you use the word "spared" somewhat facetiously (at least for a fantasy baseball forum). As is, I was "spared" his 20+ RH points!
 
66Alex
      ID: 45434314
      Wed, May 16, 2007, 17:19 		Not sure it matters much for any of us that Jenks wasn't used...I assume most of the contenders had both Rivera and Jenks playing today.
 
67mrbig
      ID: 363331312
      Wed, May 16, 2007, 17:24 		If anyone is interested.

pt/g hitters: 7.16 (total); 6.18 (May)
pt/ip SP (199.1 IP total): 4.72 (total); 5.85 (May)
pt/ip RP (92.2 IP total): 15.95 (total); 16.24 (May)
pt/ip all pitchers: 8.28 (total); 8.77 (May)

Hitting doing 1 pt/game worse this month, SP and RP slightly improved.
 
68donk44
      ID: 563322323
      Wed, May 16, 2007, 19:42 		what a rainy mess
 
69lebowski
      ID: 8541236
      Wed, May 16, 2007, 19:52 		RE; #62

Hrm, the question wasn't really answered was it? Rotohog is talking about "today"(Wednesday?) you were asking about Tomorrow(Thursday), right?

Maybe, ask: "When will Cust's roster spot Freeze on Thursday?"
 
70GoatLocker
      Sustainer
      ID: 060151121
      Wed, May 16, 2007, 20:07 		Lebowski,
That was the original question.

We shall see what happens.
Not even sure I will have him, but figured it was a good time to try to convince them to make the change.

Cliff
 
71J
      ID: 23481618
      Wed, May 16, 2007, 22:09 		How many people avoided Hamels today because the Brewers - especially in Philly - scared them?

Me!!!!
 
72donk44
      ID: 563322323
      Wed, May 16, 2007, 22:35 		had a bad feeling about Peavy tonight - should have trusted my gut
 
73J
      Leader
      ID: 049346417
      Wed, May 16, 2007, 23:28 		How many people avoided Hamels Odalis Perez today because the Brewers A's - especially in Philly Oakland? - scared them?

Not me!!!!
 
74J
      Leader
      ID: 049346417
      Thu, May 17, 2007, 10:23 		"editRoster is temporarily unavailable."

uhoh - are they always gonna have site problems when there's a DH?
 
75Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Thu, May 17, 2007, 10:24 		I think the DH was already coded properly. Maybe it's the Cust issue.
 
76GoatLocker
      Sustainer
      ID: 060151121
      Thu, May 17, 2007, 10:59 		I hope so, wasn't fixed earlier.
Went out of him for today's game, just because, but bought him back for my roster.

Cliff
 
77Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Thu, May 17, 2007, 11:02 		Now I doubt if it is Cust, as that should have been fixed quickly. Probably some technical problem.

If it's not fixed soon, a lot of early game players may not get locked into active spots before their freeze.
 
78JMan
      ID: 5324618
      Thu, May 17, 2007, 11:14 		It is going to hurt if this is not fixed . . . I had not set my lineup yet . . .
 
79StLCards
      Dude
      ID: 31010716
      Thu, May 17, 2007, 11:25 		My guess is that they found a glitch related to locking spots once the maximum innings are reached. It seems some people were getting there in IP. Just a guess.
 
80J
      Leader
      ID: 049346417
      Thu, May 17, 2007, 11:30 		Cust is still listed as "SD"

I'm tempted to start him today, just to see what happens - if the site ever lets us adjust lineups
 
81GoatLocker
      Sustainer
      ID: 060151121
      Thu, May 17, 2007, 11:33 		I went ahead and added C. Lee.
Right now had Sheff, Mags and C. Lee in the OF slots with Vlad at DH and Cust on the Bench.
Might do the change also just to see.

Hopefully holding Mags and Sheff will pay off.

Cliff
 
82Bandos
      ID: 74381010
      Thu, May 17, 2007, 11:33 		Neither had I.

For the record: Posada, Ortiz, Utley, Youkilis, Reyes, Bonds, Vlad, Holliday, Crawford

Paps, Santana, Krod, Nathan, Wagner, Fcordero.

I will email rotohog too. I have no idea who of these is in my lineup as of right now.
 
83Perm Dude
      ID: 7445176
      Thu, May 17, 2007, 11:33 		Pitchers seem to continue to rise in price after good outings. Dice, Sabathia, and RJ (among others) continue their slight rises in price.

 
84Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Thu, May 17, 2007, 11:43 		I had been making some roster adjustments when the oage went down. I'm not entirely sure who I currently have, although I know that at least one pitching slot is still open.
 
85Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Thu, May 17, 2007, 11:45 		Just came back. Cust, of course, still appears on San Diego.
 
86GoatLocker
      Sustainer
      ID: 060151121
      Thu, May 17, 2007, 11:46 		I usually set things before I go to bed.
Just easier for me to do that.
Of course, I quite often mess with them in the morning.

Hopefully I'm all set.
Got a Telcon in a few so need to head to the conference room.

Will see what happens later.

Cliff
 
87Pops
      ID: 5923858
      Thu, May 17, 2007, 11:48 		I'm not a fan of the DH lock system.

I love the matchup for my Detroit players against Tavarez, but I also have to accept the results against Schilling?

That seems like a tradeoff you shouldn't have to make.

Is there no way to just get the early game out of a player?
 
88Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Thu, May 17, 2007, 11:50 		Not that I know of. That's a fairly common limitation of all fantasy games, however.
 
89Pops
      ID: 5923858
      Thu, May 17, 2007, 11:56 		Re 88:

Now that I think about it, you're absolutely right. It's a consistent problem across all platforms.

I suppose the lure of the cash prizes in this game really magnifies every issue.
 
90Bandos
      ID: 74381010
      Thu, May 17, 2007, 12:10 		It is fixed. I barely got my roster set in time.
 
91Pops
      ID: 5923858
      Thu, May 17, 2007, 12:21 		Hmmm
This guy is starting Game 1 for DET according to the Y! boxscore.
 
92J
      Leader
      ID: 049346417
      Thu, May 17, 2007, 12:27 		I thought I was being all slick by opening 6 windows to sell Paps, Jones, Manny, Ortiz, Pudge & Maggs all right on time, but I still lost $12!
 
93Ender
      ID: 5963859
      Thu, May 17, 2007, 12:36 		I was clicking like a mad man selling the same 5 (Ortiz in place of Pudge) but I was using the back button on the browser. I still lost $5.
 
94Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Thu, May 17, 2007, 12:39 		I was 5 mins late and I lost $60. I have $100 less value than I had at the end of last month...and falling.

So I was trying to edit my lineups to get who I really wanted in teh right spots and the edit lineup function is down again. What a crock. There are so many things wrong with the site. They need some major QC and they are so busy that some basic things are being overlooked that are hurting the game. This edit lineup being down is major, but not what I'm referring to obviously.
 
95Ender
      ID: 5963859
      Thu, May 17, 2007, 12:43 		I'm not getting any roster errors right now.
 
96Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Thu, May 17, 2007, 12:50 		It's back up.

I just sent a note to the CEO about Cust and some other issues.
 
97Species
      Dude
      ID: 07724916
      Thu, May 17, 2007, 12:58 		Anyone see any rainout issues/concerns for today?
 
98mrbig
      ID: 363331312
      Thu, May 17, 2007, 13:07 		I totally forgot about the early start time. Thankfully, I had very few of the Bos/Det players (Varitek, Paps, T Jones) so my value didn't take too big of a hit.

I'm at about $760. I haven't cracked $800 yet, but have been over $790 (I think) and down to $720 or so over the past few weeks. I haven't been overly attentive on weekends and tend to lose $40 or more, only to slowly gain it back during the week. I'm particularly bad at selling guys who have off-days on Mon or Thurs and have lost a lot of value that way. My other money loser is starting a pitcher with a game time of 4:05 PST. I usually get home just after the freeze and get hit with a $$ loss. Not that it matters too much at this point.
 
99Pops
      ID: 5923858
      Thu, May 17, 2007, 13:10 		Ugh, I tried to sell Reyes pre-freeze on multiple occasions and I couldn't. The site truly has been erratic today.

Worst case scenario he appears as a pinch hitter and strikes out, costing me a game and points, while Hardy or Hanley have 20+ days.
 
100Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Thu, May 17, 2007, 13:31 		[99] - you could have simply moved him to a bench slot. Once he's in a bench slot, you can sell anytime without locking up funds.
 
101J
      Leader
      ID: 049346417
      Thu, May 17, 2007, 13:41 		Cust is listed under Oakland now!!!
 
102Pops
      ID: 5923858
      Thu, May 17, 2007, 13:49 		Re 100:

I couldn't do that either.

I tried to sell him for about 3 mins and then I tried to bench him about 45 secs. before the freeze.

I suppose I could have just taken last night's injury notes more seriously or staked out the pregame box a little earlier. Seems like quite a bit to do to compensate for a fundamental feature of the site being down.

As it is, I don't anticipate 15-20 points making a difference for me one way or the other. However, if it happens to be the case, I've got several dozen poor player moves to blame before I begin to blame anything else.
 
103Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Thu, May 17, 2007, 14:04 		Re: 101, Cust

The CEO emailed me back and said he had no idea and he was getting it changed immediately.
 
104GoatLocker
      Sustainer
      ID: 060151121
      Thu, May 17, 2007, 14:07 		So, now I guess I need to figure out if I want to start Cust or C. Lee.

Decisions, Decisions.

VMart paying off finally.

Cliff
 
105mrbig
      ID: 363331312
      Thu, May 17, 2007, 15:31 		I dropped C Lee yesterday, fearing the Revenge of the Lincecum.
 
106JMan
      ID: 5324618
      Thu, May 17, 2007, 16:21 		Looks like Blackjackis21 had a decent day yesterday . . .
 
107GoatLocker
      Sustainer
      ID: 060151121
      Thu, May 17, 2007, 16:26 		Got tied up in a meeting, so my choice was made for me.
C Lee it is, unless I come up with a better option.
At least VMart finally made it worth me having him on my team.

Guess I could go C Lee > Pence :)
And a save from Paps.

Cliff
 
108GoatLocker
      Sustainer
      ID: 060151121
      Thu, May 17, 2007, 18:13 		Nice to have a day like this finally.

4 Saves so far, and still have Paps one more time and Reyes if they play.

Been awhile and sure needed this from the number side.

Cliff
 
109Pops
      ID: 5923858
      Thu, May 17, 2007, 20:58 		Kazmir's line through 4 innings is once in a decade type stuff.

Only 3 runs allowed, 2 ER, 9 K's, 6 BB's, on 109 pitches!
 
110Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Thu, May 17, 2007, 22:55 		Today was the first day all month (and actually a lot longer) that I didn't have ARod or Vlad in my lineup. ARod did something little but Vladdy is killing tonight in his first two ABs. I benched him for Cust. Go figure. I benched ARod for Wright. Yeah that worked out well. At least he was positive in his one AB.